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2013-04-08 08:59:42 AM

Lonestar: And Cortez was, in my book, a freaking villian.


Meant to add in my original, I totally agree with you there.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:08 AM

I_C_Weener: vactech: I could have swore the proper narrative was "Atheists liberals always give Islam (or any other religion) a free pass, and only pick on Christians"

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but in my experience protestant Christians are the worst Islam/Catholic-phobes evar.  They just do their bigoted speeches on Sunday morning within the walls of their church.

Never heard a minister give a sermon on the evils of Islam or Catholicism. I have read a lot on Fark though. So, the churches you go to must be a lot like Fark


It's true.  Religions don't like each other.  It's very tribal.
 
2013-04-08 09:03:15 AM

bunner: PC LOAD LETTER: bunner: Religion and atheism have a lot in common.  They both like to blowhard false dichotomies between two approaches to life that have, so far, gotten us here.  Carry on.  Fresh poo and incredulous smirks at the popcorn stand.

Oh, DO tell us your well-honed philosophy of life, so that we can be in awe of it's splendor.

"Don't be a dick."  No charge.


So, you are an atheist then?
 
2013-04-08 09:03:36 AM

liam76: Jainism


Santhara. Though one might argue that a person is only self harming, I do not think one could claim because it only harms themselves it's not 'bad'.

But I no, I wouldn't be worried about them harming me due to their beliefs.
 
2013-04-08 09:05:02 AM

Lonestar: What? Respect to all human life, but now we are invaded by 2 groups of aliens one good one evil and we have to kill one to survive? What if the evil aliens have convinced Athiests to follow them? And what is "respect" anyways? Decent burial? "Protection and spread of knowledge only applies to our side, the rest can rot in 2013." Or there could be simply be a single group of aliens that want to be priests.


What in the name of Jupiter's cock are you ranting  about?

I've seen cats walking across keyboards make more coherent posts.
 
2013-04-08 09:06:23 AM
FTA: "If you are attempting to eradicate religion oneNew York Times bestseller at a time, like Harris and Dawkins are, maybe it makes sense to go after what you perceive as the "worst" belief system first, then the next-worst, and so on, until the only faith left in the world is a pacifist combo of Unitarianism and Jainism."

I'm unitarian, and I'm totally getting a kick out of this. I'm also always keen to hear from the atheists as to whether they can find any moral or intellectual objection to my "religion" 's principles, writings or social activities. They never do.

/smugger than thou.
 
2013-04-08 09:07:35 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Marcintosh: [cdn.gagbay.com image 460x375]

My view, for what it's worth

So, does being an asshole include pointing out logical inconsistencies that are based on a faith-related issue, or is it only being an asshole if you launch into a prepared diatribe on theodicy, complete with Epicurus macros? Because if someone sincerely believes the Earth is 6,000 years old, I am going to disagree with them, publicly, for as long as it takes until they either accept it, or resort to ad hominem.

only if you beat a dead whore... oh wait, horse... though I suppose if you beat a dead whore that would just make you a really sick person.


sidesalad.net

I'm with you boys
 
2013-04-08 09:08:42 AM

I_C_Weener: Never heard a minister give a sermon on the evils of Islam


I can honestly say i haven't been to church since before 2001, so i know not what is being said within the walls of them, but i can tell you it wasn't atheists who were protesting the "ground zero" mosque. It wasn't atheists who said God allowed 9/11 to happen because we let gay people live together. It wasn't an atheist who killed six sikh congregants mistaking them for muslims...

And more anecdotal, the loudest people who speak out against islam in my family and at my work aren't atheists either...
 
2013-04-08 09:09:13 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: bunner: PC LOAD LETTER: bunner: Religion and atheism have a lot in common.  They both like to blowhard false dichotomies between two approaches to life that have, so far, gotten us here.  Carry on.  Fresh poo and incredulous smirks at the popcorn stand.

Oh, DO tell us your well-honed philosophy of life, so that we can be in awe of it's splendor.

"Don't be a dick."  No charge.

So, you are an atheist then?


I firmly believe in making damn sure I have some sort of patch on my sleeve that will appease whoever is asking.
 
2013-04-08 09:09:38 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Seriously, I agree.... I just love it when Jesus said "verily I say unto thee, if thy neighbor sucks, thou shalt kill him" or when he said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone... that's right biatches that is me..." then whacked that ho... or better, when he said "Turn the other cheek, cause i'm gonna pimp slap that one too!" Classic... oh wait, I mean the opposite of that,


How about when Jesus said that apostates were to be burned on the fire? Does that count?

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2013-04-08 09:10:28 AM

Lorelle: That's not true. I despise all religions equally.

OK, so I hate Catholicism a little bit more than other religions, but that's because I had it shoved down my throat for the first 17 years of my life.


There's some dispute as to who said it, but that reminded me of this quote:

The trouble with some of us is that we have been inoculated with small doses of Christianity which keep us from catching the real thing.
 
2013-04-08 09:11:15 AM

Lady Indica: Lonestar: So what do we do? Go rogue against all religion ( Athiests) seems the path of so many now

I need to point out something REALLY important to you. I am not an atheist because religion is 'bad'. I am an atheist because religion (all of them) aren't true. I remain open to evidence, but I am also very skeptical that any will ever be produced. I don't think there's any god/s, just as I don't think there are any unicorns, or that homeopathy does what it claims.

Now, I happen to think that religion overall, IS bad...but that has nothing to do with my atheism. If it could be demonstrated to me that there was a religion we could indeed call 'good' in every respect (hypothetically let's make it airtight) I would then agree that it is 'good', but I would not agree that it is true. I could not magically have belief simply because it was good. It would have to be something I felt was demonstrated to be true.

I spoke only for myself, but you'll find that's also most atheists. I've never met a one who was an atheist purely because they thought all religion was bad. And I know of more than a few atheists who think religion might actually be a good idea. I'm open to the latter, and as such have been keeping abreast of Dan Dennett's research in this area.

Anyhoo, important point I think. Very important.


I think you didnt understand the point: what we view "good" is because of our values, and since our values have changed ( for the better ) in the last 100 years this has brought up lots of interesting concept. You could read my whole post as a "why im an Athiest", but it wouldnt be right, as it more of a thought experiment.

Now for my real views on religion right now, and this might change.
I believe in my values right now, and they may evolve over time. If a religion ( a group ) would exist to convert people to my present values, Id follow it. Wouldnt believe in a deity. However there might be such a group in the future but they would stay on the solidity of their core values, even if the western values evolve. Perhaps in 100 years we will find it inhuman to let women give birth in such a painful manner, so ban sex.

Ill be 140 then, so id be ok with that.
 
2013-04-08 09:14:05 AM

propasaurus: That's fascinating. Do tell me how much you Christians love Islam.


It usually goes like this:

Atheist says something critical against Christianity.
Christians say "Well, you don't have the guts to say those things against the ebil Muslims."
Atheist then says something critical against Islam.
Christians say "ZOMG ISLAMOPHOBE!"
 
2013-04-08 09:15:15 AM

Uncle Tractor: HindiDiscoMonster: Seriously, I agree.... I just love it when Jesus said "verily I say unto thee, if thy neighbor sucks, thou shalt kill him" or when he said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone... that's right biatches that is me..." then whacked that ho... or better, when he said "Turn the other cheek, cause i'm gonna pimp slap that one too!" Classic... oh wait, I mean the opposite of that,

How about when Jesus said that apostates were to be burned on the fire? Does that count?

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not the way you are using it... that is referring to the day of judgement, when the world will be judged.

/I just love false equivalency.
 
2013-04-08 09:16:07 AM

Relatively Obscure: What I'm wondering, though, is what atheism puts in place of that morality and framework that religions provide.


Birth control, for starters.  It does more to alleviate human suffering than all pious platitudes ever brought down the mountain.
 
2013-04-08 09:16:42 AM

Gunther: Lonestar: What? Respect to all human life, but now we are invaded by 2 groups of aliens one good one evil and we have to kill one to survive? What if the evil aliens have convinced Athiests to follow them? And what is "respect" anyways? Decent burial? "Protection and spread of knowledge only applies to our side, the rest can rot in 2013." Or there could be simply be a single group of aliens that want to be priests.

What in the name of Jupiter's cock are you ranting  about?

I've seen cats walking across keyboards make more coherent posts.


Ahh the internet, full of people that want to read only a few lines of text and figure out what the other guy means. If its not in the established brackets its too complicated.

One thought I was defending religion, I wasnt.
I wasnt cheering for Atheism either.

Read the whole post, use and free your mind. Or you will ( or perhaps you are ) caught up by some preacher.
 
2013-04-08 09:16:46 AM
any time you try and justify an unjustifiable action by saying, "god told me to do it" is evil.  Regardless of which specific cult it is.
 
2013-04-08 09:17:26 AM
I find funny how atheism, which used to be "does not believe in deities" is now believed to mean "hate religion".

Pretty sad from a group that declares itself superior.

But hey, it makes most believe that they are the "cool" ones.


/does not consider myself part of either "sides"
 
2013-04-08 09:18:18 AM

liam76: BgJonson79: Lusiphur: Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?

All religiophobes would be islamaphobes like they'd be judeophobes as well. Bigotry is still bigotry.

Bigotry would require you to hate all practioners of the religion.

You can hate the religion and not all practioners.


How is that different than saying, "I hate the race but not the people of it?"
 
2013-04-08 09:18:26 AM
Atheism is Religiphobia.
 
2013-04-08 09:20:24 AM
dfxdeimos: Ah, another hyperbole bound apologist that refuses to recognize the special dangers presented by an ideology that represents itself as the final and unalterable truth.

Which is different from any other religion ... how, exactly?

When hundreds of millions Muslims believe that the punishment for leaving Islam should be death - that is a problem.
When hundreds of millions Muslims believe that the punishment for adultery should be stoning - that is a problem.
When hundreds of millions Muslims believe that the punishment for theft or robbery should involve whippings or cutting off the hands of the accused - that is a problem.


Have you asked hundreds of millions muslims about this? ...Or did you just watch Fox News a lot? You sound teabagger.

And these aren't punishments that are isolated to one sect, or cultural sub-group, or came out of nowhere - these are all things that are mandated by the Quran.

The NT mandates burning apostates (see my prev post, the one with the pic).

But I am sure that you would find a similar number of Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, and Hindus that would say the same thing, right? Get farking real.

Here's the fun thing about religion:


It doesn't matter what the actual scriptures say.


People will interpret them any way they want and use them as an excuse to do whatever they want. Zeitgeist is far more important than the words. For instance, the gas bombers in Tokyo were buddhists. Hindus frequently attack muslims and christians -- and you know how women are treated in that part of the world, right? Christian Europe used to be a lot like present day Iran, and would still be like that if we secularists hadn't neutered christianity in the 1700s. You might also look into the way christians have traditionally treated jews and other heathens up until the years 1945-48.
 
2013-04-08 09:20:58 AM

Plant Rights Activist: any time you try and justify an unjustifiable action by saying, "god told me to do it" is evil.  Regardless of which specific cult it is.


or simply insane.
www.cybercauldron.co.uk
 
2013-04-08 09:22:16 AM

imfallen_angel: I find funny how atheism, which used to be "does not believe in deities" is now believed to mean "hate religion".

Pretty sad from a group that declares itself superior.

But hey, it makes most believe that they are the "cool" ones.


/does not consider myself part of either "sides"


"you shall know a tree by the fruit it bears."
 
2013-04-08 09:22:45 AM

Lonestar: Ahh the internet, full of people that want to read only a few lines of text and figure out what the other guy means. If its not in the established brackets its too complicated.


 If you often find people are failing to understand you, perhaps you should learn to communicate more effectively.

I've read through that post three times now, and I still have no idea WTF you are talking about.
 
2013-04-08 09:23:52 AM

BgJonson79: liam76: BgJonson79: Lusiphur: Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?

All religiophobes would be islamaphobes like they'd be judeophobes as well. Bigotry is still bigotry.

Bigotry would require you to hate all practioners of the religion.

You can hate the religion and not all practioners.

How is that different than saying, "I hate the race but not the people of it?"


 Because you can't seperate race from its people.   That is what makes it up.  A religion is made up of people, ideas, beliefs.  You can hate the ideas and beliefs but have no problem with the people.
 
2013-04-08 09:25:24 AM

Gunther: OK, I've just spent the last 20 minutes reading all of the articles and such he links to, and as far as I can tell, his problem isn't that all atheists are Islamophobes, it's that one atheist  (Sam Harris) has said some inflammatory stuff about Islam that was taken out of context by someone else to make it sound like he was bigoted.

Big. Farking. Deal. Even if he was a bigot, why the hell would one bigoted atheist somehow mean the whole movement had a problem with Islam? Is Sam Harris the atheist pope now?


...this is the fourth article in three weeks that I've seen that rails against the "Islamophobia" of the Big Three of "New" Atheism: Sam Harris (and they only cite him from the book he wrote a decade ago), Richard Dawkins (and they only cite him in the form of out-of-context tweets and books he wrote a decade ago), and Christopher Hitchens (who's been dead for a year and a half).

There is a real threat to Atheism, but it's not any of these three: It's this dumbass Atheism+ movement that requires the shrill type of misandrist feminism that people like Adria Richards thrive off of, and uses tactics most atheists left the church to get away from to ensure "purity". Just say no to Pope PZ Myers and High Priestess Rebecca Watson.  I'd rather be lumped in with "Islamophobes" like Dawkins and Harris.
 
2013-04-08 09:25:36 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: not the way you are using it... that is referring to the day of judgement, when the world will be judged.


According to who? I'm sure all those people who were burned at the stake would like to know.

...But again; it's the zeitgeist that counts, not the holy texts.
 
2013-04-08 09:25:58 AM

Lusiphur: Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?


is that better?
 
2013-04-08 09:28:24 AM

Gunther: Lonestar: Ahh the internet, full of people that want to read only a few lines of text and figure out what the other guy means. If its not in the established brackets its too complicated.

 If you often find people are failing to understand you, perhaps you should learn to communicate more effectively.

I've read through that post three times now, and I still have no idea WTF you are talking about.


Good, then the post wasnt meant for you.
 
2013-04-08 09:28:39 AM

IlGreven: Gunther: OK, I've just spent the last 20 minutes reading all of the articles and such he links to, and as far as I can tell, his problem isn't that all atheists are Islamophobes, it's that one atheist  (Sam Harris) has said some inflammatory stuff about Islam that was taken out of context by someone else to make it sound like he was bigoted.

Big. Farking. Deal. Even if he was a bigot, why the hell would one bigoted atheist somehow mean the whole movement had a problem with Islam? Is Sam Harris the atheist pope now?

...this is the fourth article in three weeks that I've seen that rails against the "Islamophobia" of the Big Three of "New" Atheism: Sam Harris (and they only cite him from the book he wrote a decade ago), Richard Dawkins (and they only cite him in the form of out-of-context tweets and books he wrote a decade ago), and Christopher Hitchens (who's been dead for a year and a half).

There is a real threat to Atheism, but it's not any of these three: It's this dumbass Atheism+ movement that requires the shrill type of misandrist feminism that people like Adria Richards thrive off of, and uses tactics most atheists left the church to get away from to ensure "purity". Just say no to Pope PZ Myers and High Priestess Rebecca Watson.  I'd rather be lumped in with "Islamophobes" like Dawkins and Harris.


kind of makes me think of others who were big on the whole purity thing...
www.thebreman.org
 
2013-04-08 09:31:26 AM
Athiests are unfriendly to a religion from a less developed region of the world where religious differences are often met with brutal violence?  Color me shocked.
 
2013-04-08 09:32:06 AM

IlGreven: I'd rather be lumped in with "Islamophobes" like Dawkins and Harris.


Why is Dawkins lumped in with Harris anyway? I've read both their books. "God Delusion" is Dawkins building an argument against belief in gods. "End of Faith" is an anti-islamic rant. Reading (EoF) was like watching everything Fox News ever said about Islam, over and over.
 
2013-04-08 09:33:08 AM

liam76: BgJonson79: liam76: BgJonson79: Lusiphur: Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?

All religiophobes would be islamaphobes like they'd be judeophobes as well. Bigotry is still bigotry.

Bigotry would require you to hate all practioners of the religion.

You can hate the religion and not all practioners.

How is that different than saying, "I hate the race but not the people of it?"

 Because you can't seperate race from its people.   That is what makes it up.  A religion is made up of people, ideas, beliefs.  You can hate the ideas and beliefs but have no problem with the people.


Don't those ideas and beliefs only exist BECAUSE of the people?
 
2013-04-08 09:33:21 AM

IlGreven: Gunther: OK, I've just spent the last 20 minutes reading all of the articles and such he links to, and as far as I can tell, his problem isn't that all atheists are Islamophobes, it's that one atheist  (Sam Harris) has said some inflammatory stuff about Islam that was taken out of context by someone else to make it sound like he was bigoted.

Big. Farking. Deal. Even if he was a bigot, why the hell would one bigoted atheist somehow mean the whole movement had a problem with Islam? Is Sam Harris the atheist pope now?

...this is the fourth article in three weeks that I've seen that rails against the "Islamophobia" of the Big Three of "New" Atheism: Sam Harris (and they only cite him from the book he wrote a decade ago), Richard Dawkins (and they only cite him in the form of out-of-context tweets and books he wrote a decade ago), and Christopher Hitchens (who's been dead for a year and a half).

There is a real threat to Atheism, but it's not any of these three: It's this dumbass Atheism+ movement that requires the shrill type of misandrist feminism that people like Adria Richards thrive off of, and uses tactics most atheists left the church to get away from to ensure "purity". Just say no to Pope PZ Myers and High Priestess Rebecca Watson.  I'd rather be lumped in with "Islamophobes" like Dawkins and Harris.


A "real threat" to whose atheism? Not mine. Angry, judgmental "atheists" are about as much a threat to my atheism as gay marriage is to my marriage.
 
2013-04-08 09:33:32 AM
If you think gay sex is aberrant, you are a homophobe. This isn't necessarily true, but it is accepted as fact.

This type of terminology was bound to bite an ass or two. NTTATWWT.
 
2013-04-08 09:34:01 AM

Uncle Tractor: HindiDiscoMonster: not the way you are using it... that is referring to the day of judgement, when the world will be judged.

According to who? I'm sure all those people who were burned at the stake would like to know.


According to the scriptures incidentally... it's a metaphor, it is not advocating an action, it is telling the consequences of ones actions. Read it again. and Again if need be.

also PROTIP: People abuse religious texts for their own nefarious purposes.

...But again; it's the zeitgeist that counts, not the holy texts.

That's just like your opinion man.
 
2013-04-08 09:37:00 AM

bullsballs: Thanks to atheism, Sadism and living for the moment is AOK!
There is no God, and no need to worry about retribution after you die, as there is no afterlife, no Heaven or hell.
Everything is of man, so you can make your own rules to live and die by.


Thanks to Christianity, you can be a sadistic evil bastard on Earth, but all you have to do is convert on your deathbed and all your sins will be forgiven!

/See, I can make excuses for "perceived" horrible behavior, too!
//Lower percentage of atheists in prison than in the free population.
///Higher percentage of Christians in prison than in the free population.
 
2013-04-08 09:38:18 AM

BgJonson79: liam76: BgJonson79: liam76: BgJonson79: Lusiphur: Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?

All religiophobes would be islamaphobes like they'd be judeophobes as well. Bigotry is still bigotry.

Bigotry would require you to hate all practioners of the religion.

You can hate the religion and not all practioners.

How is that different than saying, "I hate the race but not the people of it?"

 Because you can't seperate race from its people.   That is what makes it up.  A religion is made up of people, ideas, beliefs.  You can hate the ideas and beliefs but have no problem with the people.

Don't those ideas and beliefs only exist BECAUSE of the people?


If every muslim woke up tomorrow and decided they no longer believed we woudl still have the ideas and beliefs of islam.

You can dislike or hate any school of thought ro religion and be fine with people who follow it.  It is nothing like hating a race where you must hate the people.
 
2013-04-08 09:38:56 AM

Lorelle: That's not true. I despise all religions equally.

OK, so I hate Catholicism a little bit more than other religions, but that's because I had it shoved down my throat for the first 17 years of my life.


i290.photobucket.com

Poor lil boy, 17 years!?
 
2013-04-08 09:39:14 AM

Super_pope: Athiests are unfriendly to a religion from a less developed region of the world where religious differences are often met with brutal violence?  Color me shocked.


The problem is that too many people are too ignorant to know the difference between simple customs and tenants of Islam and too wrapped up in being right to realize that it's not the belief system that's the problem but the behaviors and social conventions. You're never going to convince people to give up an established, organized religion but once you figure out that it's the violence and bigotry that you hate and not the religion then you've really made some progress and you've got a chance to actually fix something.
 
2013-04-08 09:40:41 AM

Lizardking: propasaurus: That's fascinating. Do tell me how much you Christians love Islam.

I dont love Islam. I dont hate it either. Its just another religion to me, I respect the people who practice it and dont try to tell them they are wrong.

If you hate or fear anyone because of a religion, youre a farking idiot. Your religion and the ignorance it caused in you is the problem, not the other persons religion.


If someone's screwed-up interpretation of their religion tells them to kill you, isn't shooting them in self-defense ethical?

Do unto others, before they do unto you...
 
2013-04-08 09:41:43 AM

IlGreven: bullsballs: Thanks to atheism, Sadism and living for the moment is AOK!
There is no God, and no need to worry about retribution after you die, as there is no afterlife, no Heaven or hell.
Everything is of man, so you can make your own rules to live and die by.

Thanks to Christianity, you can be a sadistic evil bastard on Earth, but all you have to do is convert on your deathbed and all your sins will be forgiven!

/See, I can make excuses for "perceived" horrible behavior, too!
//Lower percentage of atheists in prison than in the free population.
///Higher percentage of Christians in prison than in the free population.


nope. You have to do the following:
1> Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior (truly)
2> Repent (which is not an apology but a turning away from sin)
3> Confess your sins
4> Ask forgiveness from God

Some denominations also believe that you must also be baptized which is why I did not include it in the primary list as all denominations must agree on those 4 if they are Christian.
 
2013-04-08 09:42:41 AM

Doktor_Zhivago: Some atheists are retards.  Luckily they are unique among the various sub-groupings of humanity.


No one person speaks for atheists. It is not a religion nor a cult nor an organization nor anything. It is a personal belief, no different then someone who believes in God. Richard Dawkins is an attention whore trying to get publicity for his book by impying that he speaks for atheists and that all atheists are like him.
 
2013-04-08 09:42:48 AM

IlGreven: There is a real threat to Atheism, but it's not any of these three: It's this dumbass Atheism+ movement that requires the shrill type of misandrist feminism that people like Adria Richards thrive off of, and uses tactics most atheists left the church to get away from to ensure "purity". Just say no to Pope PZ Myers and High Priestess Rebecca Watson.  I'd rather be lumped in with "Islamophobes" like Dawkins and Harris.


Oh man, PZ Myers; there's a name I haven't heard in a while. I remember adding him to my RSS feed a decade ago when he mostly wrote about biology and evolution. I unsubscribed a few years ago when his posts started being mostly about how everyone who wasn't his precise sub-type of atheism was crazy/stupid/evil. What's happened to him?
 
2013-04-08 09:44:40 AM

IlGreven: Thanks to Christianity, you can be a sadistic evil bastard on Earth, but all you have to do is convert on your deathbed and all your sins will be forgiven!


Your taking the words of idiots as a true representation of the faith doesn't bode well for your credibility.

Sheep go to heaven, Goats go to hell.

Sheep: People who do good for those in need, regardless of any religious drive to do so.
Goats: People who refuse to do good for those in need, and refuse to do so in the name of God.
 
2013-04-08 09:45:12 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: nope. You have to do the following:


Newp. You haven't read Jack Chick comics have you? Yes some sects of Christianity DO have additional conditions for salvation, but the bible (and Jesus' dialogue therein) were pretty farking specific that the only thing required was belief in him.

Illustrated also by the thief next to him, who was getting in...not cause he was sorry or wasn't a bastard, but because he recognized Jesus as 'the son of god'.

/has no need for get out of hell free cards
 
2013-04-08 09:45:20 AM

Voiceofreason01: Super_pope: Athiests are unfriendly to a religion from a less developed region of the world where religious differences are often met with brutal violence? Color me shocked.

The problem is that too many people are too ignorant to know the difference between simple customs and tenants of Islam and too wrapped up in being right to realize that it's not the belief system that's the problem but the behaviors and social conventions


Yeah, death penalty fro apostacy is a big problem in my book (not to mention 4 witnesses to prove rape, wife beating, etc), call me crazy.
 
2013-04-08 09:46:54 AM

Lusiphur: Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?


Doktor_Zhivago: Some atheists are retards.  Luckily they are unique among the various sub-groupings of humanity.


Relatively Obscure: What I'm wondering, though, is what atheism puts in place of that morality and framework that religions provide.

Oh, this shiat again.


Why did we need any more postings?
/All religion is delusion. Morality without religion? UNPOSSIBLE!!!
 
2013-04-08 09:46:57 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: nope. You have to do the following:
1> Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior (truly)
2> Repent (which is not an apology but a turning away from sin)
3> Confess your sins
4> Ask forgiveness from God


Nope. You just have to do right by your fellow man. Faith is not required.
 
2013-04-08 09:46:59 AM

PunGent: If someone's screwed-up interpretation of their religion tells them to kill you, isn't shooting them in self-defense ethical?

Do unto others, before they do unto you...


What most fail to understand that it's not "religion" that's truly bad, it's the people and their actions.

If those people didn't have religion to hide behind, they'd use whatever else that would be convenient, politics, monarchies/patriarchies, medicine, schools/teacher position, etc.  just anything that place them in some sort of power over others.

One could use a spoon to kill someone... doesn't mean the spoon is evil. It's what one does with it.
 
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