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2013-04-07 11:47:42 PM
So, he's going from Dances With Smurfs to The Snorkels?
 
2013-04-07 11:50:01 PM

Bathia_Mapes: So, he's going from Dances With Smurfs to The Snorkels?


My bad. That should have been The Snorks.
 
2013-04-08 12:08:33 AM
I'm thinking it'll be more like Otoh Gunga in Star Wars, Episode I.
 
2013-04-08 12:46:01 AM
I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off
 
2013-04-08 12:56:45 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.


It was. I saw it, and I really can't remember much besides shiny things and floating mountains.
 
2013-04-08 01:07:02 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off


3dvision-blog.com
 
2013-04-08 01:15:05 AM
So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.
 
2013-04-08 01:21:36 AM
it was entertaining.  Definitely strongly parallels Dances with Wolves.  Will be interesting how the second story fairs.
 
2013-04-08 01:30:17 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off


In all fairness, it was also no  worse than any given generic Disney or action movie.  I really enjoyed the antagonist's entire bit throughout the entire movie, and that made it worth a couple hours of my time.

Lots of moderately OK movies based primarily on spectacle make enough money to justify sequels if you don't like them, blockbusters are not hard to spot in advance, just don't go to them.  But plenty of people do enjoy them and there's nothing wrong with that.

//No more stupidity, bad logic, plot holes, or broken themes in Avatar than there was in, say, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.  Or Rambo.  Or Star Wars.  Not every movie is the Godfather.
 
2013-04-08 01:33:35 AM

Mentalpatient87: Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

It was. I saw it, and I really can't remember much besides shiny things and floating mountains.


Some ridiculous idea about blowing up native homes in order to get at their natural resources.  In the real world, big oil just buys them off under  mineral/oil rights clauses and/or agreements.

And they do quite well.  The money goes toward free college education, health care, cultural awareness,  profitable casinos that people flock to because smoking is permitted, oil lease royalty cheques, flashy cars...

Cameron knows how to tell a good story, but he is ignorant.
 
2013-04-08 01:36:08 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off


You're not far off.  Here is an honest recap of the story.
 
2013-04-08 01:41:18 AM

Strongbeerrules: Some ridiculous idea about blowing up native homes in order to get at their natural resources.


Yeah, the other thing I remember is the plot being a stretched out Captain Planet episode with scifi.
 
2013-04-08 01:46:59 AM
The whole underwater angle is puzzling. It sounds like Cameron is just trying to shoehorn an  Abyss sequel into the Avatar universes.
 
2013-04-08 02:15:45 AM

Strongbeerrules: Mentalpatient87: Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

It was. I saw it, and I really can't remember much besides shiny things and floating mountains.

Some ridiculous idea about blowing up native homes in order to get at their natural resources.  In the real world, big oil just buys them off under  mineral/oil rights clauses and/or agreements.

And they do quite well.  The money goes toward free college education, health care, cultural awareness,  profitable casinos that people flock to because smoking is permitted, oil lease royalty cheques, flashy cars...

Cameron knows how to tell a good story, but he is ignorant.


You sound bootstrappy.
 
2013-04-08 02:17:16 AM

Jim_Callahan: Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off

In all fairness, it was also no  worse than any given generic Disney or action movie.  I really enjoyed the antagonist's entire bit throughout the entire movie, and that made it worth a couple hours of my time.

Lots of moderately OK movies based primarily on spectacle make enough money to justify sequels if you don't like them, blockbusters are not hard to spot in advance, just don't go to them.  But plenty of people do enjoy them and there's nothing wrong with that.

//No more stupidity, bad logic, plot holes, or broken themes in Avatar than there was in, say, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.  Or Rambo.  Or Star Wars.  Not every movie is the Godfather.


Well said.

Also folks, if two hours and ten bucks is something that will ruin your week if it doesn't pan out the the movies aren't for you.

I thinl I only saw one show in the theater last year. I hate on movies a lot less when I don't make plans around them.
 
2013-04-08 02:21:22 AM

Smackledorfer: I thinl I only saw one show in the theater last year. I hate on movies a lot less when I don't make plans around them.


My wife doesn't like going to the movies much. Can't blame her, really, esp. with how few good movies there are. I usually only go when she's out of town, and there's something good showing. Quite the rare occurrence!
 
2013-04-08 02:41:27 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off


The story wasn't original at all, but I really liked it because it was basically a Roger Dean painting come to life. The plot was just serviceable enough so that I could enjoy the cool visuals, unlike Michael Bay where the stupidity of the story pulls me out of the movie.

Plus, Wayne Barlow did all the alien animal designs. As someone who has a copy of Expedition on the bookshelf, I just can't not like Avatar as a piece of great eye candy.
 
2013-04-08 02:58:26 AM

Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.


They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.
 
2013-04-08 03:42:26 AM
www.movieguide.org
 
2013-04-08 04:12:13 AM
"The Abyss" was pure awesomeness, especially the director's cut.

That is all.
 
2013-04-08 04:30:10 AM
Maybe he could ask Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonia to do it. She was pretty good at it on The Abyss.
 
2013-04-08 04:30:44 AM
www.wearysloth.com
 
2013-04-08 04:43:47 AM
Look up neutron bombs.  Flash, bang, everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - living is dead.  But all the rest is still there, so long as it can survive the shock wave.  Look!  Now we can take all their stuff!

Not science fiction, just banned by treaty.  And it really screws up a story that you want to take more than ten minutes ;)
 
2013-04-08 05:29:52 AM
Hey, Jim... still waiting on an anamorphic home-video release of The Abyss, a Blu-Ray release of True Lies... and, oh yeah, how about your decades-in-the-making adaptation of Gunnm?

Yes, I liked Avatar well enough, but its success was a double-edged sword... we don't need sequels.
 
2013-04-08 08:10:22 AM
I enjoyed Avatar and I say that without shame. It's not Transformers, or Tyler Perry's Madea perpetuates black stereotypes; Avatar is a decent film that has received an unusual amount of backlash due to its enormous success. It's by no means perfect, or original, but it's not so derivative or flawed at any point that it feels schlocky.
 
2013-04-08 08:24:17 AM
Its going to be interesting when the hero sleeps with the alien and comments that it smells like fish.
 
2013-04-08 08:34:16 AM

SpinStopper: Look up neutron bombs.  Flash, bang, everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - living is dead.  But all the rest is still there, so long as it can survive the shock wave.  Look!  Now we can take all their stuff!

Not science fiction, just banned by treaty.  And it really screws up a story that you want to take more than ten minutes ;)


And it's hard to say just how some things never change. And it's hard to find any strength to draw the line
 
2013-04-08 08:37:38 AM

fusillade762: Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.

They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.


Well, if unobtanium has the power to float mountains, I'm pretty sure you can find a way to use it to propel stuff into space.

It's actually an interesting problem, the end of Avatar.

You see, it takes ~4 years for messages to traverse the distance between Pandora and Earth, and about 6 years for ships to make the trip.  That means that those who are left behind on Pandora have at least 10 years, and probably more like 11 or 12, to prepare for the next assault.  They've got all the tools and technology left behind, some of the better, more scientific minds also, who could develop weapons.

They've got a decade to figure out how to throw rocks up at spaceships.  Actually, they probably still have at least one vehicle capable of at least hitting orbit on Pandora.

Then we have the pipeline problem:  There will be ships that are heading to Pandora that left as many as 5 years or so since the first inklings of a problem, and they'll be arriving there to pick up their cargoes of unobtanium and send it back.  That means more ships you can commandeer and more technology and weapons you can obtain.  In fact, you might want to keep up the ruse that all is OK, so that they don't just turn around and go home when they hit the system, just so that you can take their supplies, munitions, and spare parts.
 
2013-04-08 08:41:44 AM
Maybe this time Cameron can use a tiny portion of his enormous budget to hire someone who can write convincing dialogue.
 
2013-04-08 08:53:38 AM

SpinStopper: Look up neutron bombs.  Flash, bang, everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - living is dead.  But all the rest is still there, so long as it can survive the shock wave.  Look!  Now we can take all their stuff!

Not science fiction, just banned by treaty.  And it really screws up a story that you want to take more than ten minutes ;)


Gotta get it there first, though.  And that's going to take at a minimum 10 years:  It will take 4 years for the messages that say what happened to get back to Earth, and even *IF* you decided that it was so important that you had to get the unobtanium at any cost, so much so that you're willing to use nuclear weapons, even if you left immediately it would still take you a further 6 years to get back there.

Then you have to deliver once you get in orbit around Pandora, something that will doubtlessly be noticed by those left on the planet, and they could very well have ginned up some sort of defense system during that time, using all the technology left, and possibly by using the unobtanium.
 
2013-04-08 08:57:08 AM

fusillade762: Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.

They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.


They were going up against the security force of a private corporation, so there is only so far the company can go and still be under the radar to the public. If you do an orbital bombardment of the first sentient alien race discovered, that would cause outrage and the company would have a huge PR nightmare too deal with (imagine if you had BP nuking a tribe in the Amazon to get at oil). It's already a mess now that the scientists have access to communications back to Earth and can broadcast how far the company has already overstepped, so the company will likely be in damage control mode and blaming things on overzealous staffers and will have to be on its best behavior until the shiatstorm dies down the press.
 
2013-04-08 09:02:14 AM
He's got to raise the bar.
 
2013-04-08 09:07:57 AM
I enjoyed the movie.  It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was entertaining and visually incredible.  Just because a mediocre-to-decent movie becomes exceptionally successful it doesn't magically turn into the worst movie ever.
 
2013-04-08 09:20:01 AM

Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.

They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.

They were going up against the security force of a private corporation, so there is only so far the company can go and still be under the radar to the public. If you do an orbital bombardment of the first sentient alien race discovered, that would cause outrage and the company would have a huge PR nightmare too deal with (imagine if you had BP nuking a tribe in the Amazon to get at oil). It's already a mess now that the scientists have access to communications back to Earth and can broadcast how far the company has already overstepped, so the company will likely be in damage control mode and blaming things on overzealous staffers and will have to be on its best behavior until the shiatstorm dies down the press.


Yep.

Don't forget, the whole story of what happened (from the Na'vi/scientist viewpoint) will have been transmitted back to Earth before the company people will get back there, for at least 2 years (4 years comm time, 6 years travel time).

They gonna have some 'splainin' to do.

Best case would be for Earth to negotiate a deal of some sort for the unobtanium, and put up with higher prices for a while until the extraction becomes more efficient.

Then too, it's unlikely that the *ONLY* play you can find unobtanium in that system is Pandora, so I'd be looking at other sources, perhaps ones on planets/moons that aren't inhabited.  Might even find some floating around in space:  It obviously has serious magnetic-like repulsion to other matter (which is why it floats), so at least some of it has to be in space or in orbit around Pandora or Polyphemus.
 
2013-04-08 09:31:26 AM

Sybarite: Maybe this time Cameron can use a tiny portion of his enormous budget to hire someone who can write convincing dialogue.


When the Dream Walker is dead, Eytukan will eat his heart.
 
2013-04-08 09:36:12 AM
I always enjoy reading the Avatar threads on Fark.  Such bitterness.
 
2013-04-08 11:14:52 AM

Ringshadow: [www.movieguide.org image 504x748]


That was my first thought when seeing Avatar, right down to the big tree.
 
2013-04-08 11:28:46 AM

HotWingAgenda: Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality.

The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1"

Also, f*ck 3d.

/rant off

You're not far off.  Here is an honest recap of the story.


I almost spit out my Mt. Dew all over my Cheetos-stained keyboard when he said "Side Bloobs"
 
2013-04-08 11:35:44 AM

theurge14: I always enjoy reading the Avatar threads on Fark.  Such bitterness.


Remember when the trailer come out and everybody thought it would bomb? It would totally destroy James Cameron's career to the point where the best job he could've gotten in Hollywood was craft services. About that...

Also this is apparently an early treatment of "Avatar" which quite honestly would have been a better movie.

http://www.chud.com/21969/project-880-the-avatar-that-almost-was/
 
2013-04-08 11:51:28 AM

Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.


I have no idea how they are going to resolve that problem.

My only thought is that the mining corporation isn't supposed to actually kill native creatures, they hinted at that early in the movie.  Maybe there is some sort of space pandora creatures that can attack ships in space, al la the zerg.

This move got a lot of heat for being unoriginal, but if we are honest all movies follow the same couple of plot outlines.
 
2013-04-08 11:52:04 AM
geeksoulbrother.com
WTF are you talking about, subby?
 
2013-04-08 11:52:57 AM

Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.

They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.

They were going up against the security force of a private corporation, so there is only so far the company can go and still be under the radar to the public. If you do an orbital bombardment of the first sentient alien race discovered, that would cause outrage and the company would have a huge PR nightmare too deal with (imagine if you had BP nuking a tribe in the Amazon to get at oil). It's already a mess now that the scientists have access to communications back to Earth and can broadcast how far the company has already overstepped, so the company will likely be in damage control mode and blaming things on overzealous staffers and will have to be on its best behavior until the shiatstorm dies down the press.


So yeah, exactly like BP.
 
2013-04-08 12:04:17 PM
I think what we usually have with avatar is an ordinary run of the mill recycled plot being lambasted because it looks pretty, had a big budget, and made a lot of money. It's in no way worse than most of what hollywood pumps out every week.
 
2013-04-08 12:29:05 PM
One of the few times I ever walked out of a theater was when I heard the word "unobtanium".
/I laughed really loud
//May have been thrown out
///Unobtanium!
 
2013-04-08 12:40:21 PM
I know it's the highest grossing movie of all time, but are people really clamoring to see more of the Avatar universe and characters. They're not exactly beloved. I'm still not over the shock that Disney wants to create an Avatarland at Animal Kingdom in Florida.
 
2013-04-08 03:00:44 PM

SpinStopper: Look up neutron bombs.  Flash, bang, everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - living is dead.  But all the rest is still there, so long as it can survive the shock wave.  Look!  Now we can take all their stuff!

Not science fiction, just banned by treaty.  And it really screws up a story that you want to take more than ten minutes ;)


You might want to look them up yourself:

Although neutron bombs are commonly believed to "leave the infrastructure intact", current designs have explosive yields in the kiloton range, the detonation of which would cause considerable destruction through blast and heat effects.
 
2013-04-08 05:00:41 PM

fusillade762: Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.

They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.


i31.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-08 05:08:14 PM
Just follow China's lead.  Put lead and melamine in everything you sell the blue cat-people.  Problem solved.
 
2013-04-08 05:35:16 PM

dittybopper: Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: Mentalpatient87: So is this going to be an hour and a half of orbital strikes and their effect on local cat people? Because the bad guys have space ships.

They'll have to find some biological thingy on Pandora that can fling rocks into space. Otherwise they'll just be some handwaving about how they can't use orbital strikes because it'll damage the unobtainium.

They were going up against the security force of a private corporation, so there is only so far the company can go and still be under the radar to the public. If you do an orbital bombardment of the first sentient alien race discovered, that would cause outrage and the company would have a huge PR nightmare too deal with (imagine if you had BP nuking a tribe in the Amazon to get at oil). It's already a mess now that the scientists have access to communications back to Earth and can broadcast how far the company has already overstepped, so the company will likely be in damage control mode and blaming things on overzealous staffers and will have to be on its best behavior until the shiatstorm dies down the press.

Yep.

Don't forget, the whole story of what happened (from the Na'vi/scientist viewpoint) will have been transmitted back to Earth before the company people will get back there, for at least 2 years (4 years comm time, 6 years travel time).

They gonna have some 'splainin' to do.

Best case would be for Earth to negotiate a deal of some sort for the unobtanium, and put up with higher prices for a while until the extraction becomes more efficient.

Then too, it's unlikely that the *ONLY* play you can find unobtanium in that system is Pandora, so I'd be looking at other sources, perhaps ones on planets/moons that aren't inhabited.  Might even find some floating around in space:  It obviously has serious magnetic-like repulsion to other matter (which is why it floats), so at least some of it has to be in space or in orbit around Pandora or Polyphemus.


Did they ever mention whether or not faster-than-light communication exists in the Avatar universe?
 
2013-04-08 05:54:39 PM
Sid_6.7: I'm genuinely still confused. I haven't seen the movie, but it sounded like the biggest wankfest ever. Utter spectacle, with no originality. The epitome of "Ooo...look, CGI!!!1" Also, f*ck 3d. /rant off
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3d sucks because most movie studios add it as an afterthought and it's not done well.

As far as I know, the only 3 motion pictures in the most recent wave of 3d to actually be FILMED in 3d are Avatar, The Hobbit, and for whatever reason, Jackass 3. All 3 are said (though I haven't seen any of them in 3d) to be amazing in 3d.
 
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