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(New York Daily News)   Snoop Lion: Rap music may never accept gay artists. Grown men that name themselves "Snoop Lion," "Wacka Flocka Flame," and "Young Jeezy," are good to go though   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2013-04-07 05:16:03 PM  
Yes, because the under class of America and the world who have gained fame through retarded nursery rhymes, call the shots.
 
2013-04-07 06:45:53 PM  
Puffy, Puff Daddy, P Diddy, Diddy.

Fabolous.

Lil [insert ridiculous name here].
 
2013-04-07 08:44:37 PM  
Whatever Snoop.
www.theowlmag.com
Link
 
2013-04-07 09:56:11 PM  
They don't want any dudes snooping their loins.
 
2013-04-07 10:04:08 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, because the under class of America and the world who have gained fame through retarded nursery rhymes, call the shots.


What exactly do you mean by this?
 
2013-04-07 10:07:15 PM  
Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.
 
2013-04-07 10:10:15 PM  

A. Snatchfold: JerkyMeat: Yes, because the under class of America and the world who have gained fame through retarded nursery rhymes, call the shots.

What exactly do you mean by this?


Given that he called a whole genre of music "retarded nursery rhymes," I'm pretty sure you already know exactly what he meant by that.
 
2013-04-07 10:14:02 PM  
And the push is on for the NFL guys to come out...black dudes are THE most homophobic of all
Good luck with that
 
2013-04-07 10:14:06 PM  
Just keepin' it real, he is.  The rap music industry players may accept gays, but rap fandom is the bigger part of "the rap world" and it's heavily homophobic, according to a guy who knows rap fans pretty well.
 
2013-04-07 10:14:31 PM  

Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.


I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.
 
2013-04-07 10:17:33 PM  
Snoop was making an observation that I don't think is true, but I get where he is coming from.

The hyper-masculinity of black culture that leads to really dumb violence and homophobia has been around forever, and to be honest I think it's a holdover from a previously disempowered slave culture that puts on this sort of hyper-masculine face as a way to try and make up for having to tap dance just to survive in American culture. At least, I think that is partially the reason.

However, if you look at the rap game, it's not like it was in the '90s. You have lots of liberal rappers, guys like Busdriver for example, that are nothing like the stereotypical '90s gangsta rapper at all. I think Snoop is coming from that perspective, but that perspective is dying quite a bit.
 
2013-04-07 10:18:26 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Snoop was making an observation that I don't think is true, but I get where he is coming from.

The hyper-masculinity of black culture that leads to really dumb violence and homophobia has been around forever, and to be honest I think it's a holdover from a previously disempowered slave culture that puts on this sort of hyper-masculine face as a way to try and make up for having to tap dance just to survive in American culture. At least, I think that is partially the reason.

However, if you look at the rap game, it's not like it was in the '90s. You have lots of liberal rappers, guys like Busdriver for example, that are nothing like the stereotypical '90s gangsta rapper at all. I think Snoop is coming from that perspective, but that perspective is dying quite a bit.



[Smart]
 
2013-04-07 10:19:04 PM  

A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.


But what about poor Anders?  Why hasn't he caught a break huh?
 
2013-04-07 10:21:22 PM  

A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.


If those are the examples you can come up with, it pretty much proves my point. Why not throw in Snow?  Eminem is very much the exception, and he wasn't even well received in the rap community until he teamed up with Dr. Dre.  Until that point his prime demographic was frat boys and the TRL crowd.
 
2013-04-07 10:24:09 PM  
I heard one time that LL Cool J was gay.
 
2013-04-07 10:25:52 PM  

Yes please: A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.

If those are the examples you can come up with, it pretty much proves my point. Why not throw in Snow?  Eminem is very much the exception, and he wasn't even well received in the rap community until he teamed up with Dr. Dre.  Until that point his prime demographic was frat boys and the TRL crowd.


White people dominate nerdcore, and when there are nerdcore shows in my area, I see lots of black folks in line waiting to get in. Black nerds, to be sure, but still.

There are also lots of Latino artists - Puerto Ricans from Fat Joe to Venezuelans like Immortal Technique - that are both non-black AND accepted just fine by the community.

I don't think hip-hop is any more or less inclusive than any other type of music.
 
2013-04-07 10:27:12 PM  
Who the fark is Snoop Lion?  What happened to Snoop Dogg?
 
2013-04-07 10:27:21 PM  
Smelly McUgly:
There are also lots of Latino artists - Puerto Ricans from Fat Joe from Puerto Ricans like Fat Joe to Venezuelans like Immortal Technique - that are both non-black AND accepted just fine by the community.

Ugh.
 
2013-04-07 10:30:17 PM  
He's more R&B though he has been featured on various rap albums, but it seems like other than the running Chris Brown feud Frank Ocean is pretty much accepted.
 
2013-04-07 10:32:25 PM  

Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.


Street Rapper Grandmaster B and his alter ego Li'l D coolly smirk in your direction.

danjlovesthe90s.files.wordpress.com

Li'l D standin' tall at five foot three
Yeah, but I'm as tough as can be
I'm the hot, hot D-A-V-E
No matter what I be-E
 
2013-04-07 10:36:29 PM  
Snoop has spoken previously about his support for gay marriage.  He is not  advocating the exclusion of gltb's from rap music, he is only giving a cynical, pragmatic analysis of the state of rap music.

Yes, we may point and laugh at his new moniker, but the man knows the business, and as Smelly McUgly has said better than I can, he has a point about how much saturation is possible among the fandom for equality in gender/sexual orientation.
 
2013-04-07 10:37:46 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Yes please: A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.

If those are the examples you can come up with, it pretty much proves my point. Why not throw in Snow?  Eminem is very much the exception, and he wasn't even well received in the rap community until he teamed up with Dr. Dre.  Until that point his prime demographic was frat boys and the TRL crowd.

White people dominate nerdcore, and when there are nerdcore shows in my area, I see lots of black folks in line waiting to get in. Black nerds, to be sure, but still.

There are also lots of Latino artists - Puerto Ricans from Fat Joe to Venezuelans like Immortal Technique - that are both non-black AND accepted just fine by the community.

I don't think hip-hop is any more or less inclusive than any other type of music.


You're describing fringe elements, not the base or mainstream rap community.

Pop is definitely more inclusive than other types of music.  Country, rap, rock, alternative, punk, heavy metal, whatever else are less inclusive, at least in terms of race.  Rap is probably more inclusive than several other genres when it comes to gender, but it holds no bragging rights racially.  That's not a criticism necessarily, it's just a fact.
 
2013-04-07 10:47:46 PM  
Gangstaliscious might disagree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzuXQF_wIU

(NSFW language)
 
2013-04-07 10:51:19 PM  

Tornadoanus: Snoop has spoken previously about his support for gay marriage.  He is not  advocating the exclusion of gltb's from rap music, he is only giving a cynical, pragmatic analysis of the state of rap music.

Yes, we may point and laugh at his new moniker, but the man knows the business, and as Smelly McUgly has said better than I can, he has a point about how much saturation is possible among the fandom for equality in gender/sexual orientation.


I am often kept up at night worrying about gender equality in the rap industry.
 
2013-04-07 11:01:32 PM  

rthanu: A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.

But what about poor Anders?  Why hasn't he caught a break huh?


Immortal Technique? Big Pun? Beastie Boys? Aesop Rock? Termanology? I guess those are figments of my imagination
 
2013-04-07 11:07:40 PM  

Yes please: You're describing fringe elements the fake Scotsmen, not the base or mainstream rap true Scotsman community.

 
2013-04-07 11:10:04 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Whatever Snoop.
[www.theowlmag.com image 447x339]
Link


Fun fact, Snoop Dogg made a guest appearance on Murs' major label debut (Murs' has been an underground rapper since the late 90s, and still produces independent albums), so he may or may not be well aware of that song and video.

/Love Murs
 
2013-04-07 11:10:27 PM  
Its hard to feel like a bad ass or cool shiat when your talking about rogering another man...

I'mean -- maybe for some you feel pretty groovy about the whole ordeal but for a mass market its a 'hard' sell. heh.

I'mean -- i'm sure you could have gay rap for gay people but the whole genre is sexually charged and you wont ever see a car full of straight guys pull up to a set of traffic lights with a bass pounding song blaring on and on about dicks. It wont happen.
 
2013-04-07 11:16:24 PM  
So a whole bunch of blacks in a sub-genre of music refuse to accept homosexuals into their ranks.

Ain't that sumptin'...

And here we've been told for 20 years that blacks can't be begotted or racist.
 
2013-04-07 11:17:11 PM  
Begotted?
 
2013-04-07 11:19:04 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Begotted?


It's farking biblical man, they were always begotting and begatting each other. I think it's Jewish for buttfarking.
 
2013-04-07 11:25:28 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Begotted?


For 20 years, man.
 
2013-04-07 11:26:10 PM  

A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.


Don't forget the most influential of all:
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-07 11:31:47 PM  

LucklessWonder: Counter_Intelligent: Begotted?

It's farking biblical man, they were always begotting and begatting each other. I think it's Jewish for buttfarking.


Holy crap that was beautiful.

Or, as I have seen it displayed round these parts: +1
 
2013-04-07 11:32:07 PM  

runaway06: rthanu: A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.

But what about poor Anders?  Why hasn't he caught a break huh?

Immortal Technique? Big Pun? Beastie Boys? Aesop Rock? Termanology? I guess those are figments of my imagination


Those are all wonderful  examples.  And your argument is basically the parallel to "What do you mean there aren't any Jewish NBA superstars. I guess this guy's never heard of Dolph Schayes?  I mean, hello, right?"
 
2013-04-07 11:32:36 PM  
It is the nature of the genre. Rap is inherently masculine (exception for female artists). Snoop is essentially saying that a homosexual will have a hard time being accepted by the rap community and its fans the same way as how a political activist (think the guys from Rage Against the Machine) will have a hard time being accepted by the pop community and its fans.
 
2013-04-07 11:33:33 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: antidisestablishmentarianism: Whatever Snoop.
[www.theowlmag.com image 447x339]
Link

Fun fact, Snoop Dogg made a guest appearance on Murs' major label debut (Murs' has been an underground rapper since the late 90s, and still produces independent albums), so he may or may not be well aware of that song and video.

/Love Murs


I don't know which Murs album I have but it has the line 'I'm more coldplay than I am Ice Tea'. Didn't know that stuff about snoop.
 
2013-04-07 11:37:29 PM  

Fallout Boy: It is the nature of the genre. Rap is inherently masculine (exception for female artists). Snoop is essentially saying that a homosexual will have a hard time being accepted by the rap community and its fans the same way as how a political activist (think the guys from Rage Against the Machine) will have a hard time being accepted by the pop community and its fans.


So therein lies the issue...

Why does male homosexuality negate masculinity?

When we can move beyond the farked up mentality that a homosexual male isn't inherently feminine and a homosexual female isn't inherently masculine (raises red-nail-polished femme gay girl hand), we may just evolve a smidge and expand on an already great musical genre.

Gay/queer rappers exist.  They are on the fringes, but at least we can name a few.
 
2013-04-07 11:39:58 PM  

Transpogue: Fallout Boy: It is the nature of the genre. Rap is inherently masculine (exception for female artists). Snoop is essentially saying that a homosexual will have a hard time being accepted by the rap community and its fans the same way as how a political activist (think the guys from Rage Against the Machine) will have a hard time being accepted by the pop community and its fans.

So therein lies the issue...

Why does male homosexuality negate masculinity?

When we can move beyond the farked up mentality that a homosexual male isn't inherently feminine and a homosexual female isn't inherently masculine (raises red-nail-polished femme gay girl hand), we may just evolve a smidge and expand on an already great musical genre.

Gay/queer rappers exist.  They are on the fringes, but at least we can name a few.


FTFM.
 
2013-04-07 11:42:58 PM  

douchebag/hater: So a whole bunch of blacks in a sub-genre of music refuse to accept homosexuals into their ranks.

Ain't that sumptin'...

And here we've been told for 20 years that blacks can't be begotted or racist.


I think you're lost. Stormfront is that way.

/linked to Google search
//still NSFW, most likely
 
2013-04-07 11:43:53 PM  

Transpogue: (raises red-nail-polished femme gay girl hand),


Soooo, are you a guy or a girl?
 
2013-04-07 11:44:36 PM  
youtomb.mit.edu
 
2013-04-07 11:46:37 PM  
J. Beebz 'n' Lil' Twist gonna drop an album that that kills the whole genre for a decade.
Isn't a "Little Twist" old timey slang for a young whore?
 
2013-04-07 11:58:58 PM  
All I could think of is "I have gay homies so it's ok when I say it"
 
2013-04-07 11:59:15 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Cobblestone Flag: antidisestablishmentarianism: Whatever Snoop.
[www.theowlmag.com image 447x339]
Link

Fun fact, Snoop Dogg made a guest appearance on Murs' major label debut (Murs' has been an underground rapper since the late 90s, and still produces independent albums), so he may or may not be well aware of that song and video.

/Love Murs

I don't know which Murs album I have but it has the line 'I'm more coldplay than I am Ice Tea'. Didn't know that stuff about snoop.


That album is from Murs 3:16. The major label debut was Murs for President. It's got a few awesome songs but I'm pretty on the fence about it. If you like Atmosphere look up the Felt series. Felt is Slug from Atmosphere + Murs with a different producer on each of the three albums (Grouch on album one, Ant on album two, Aesop Rock on album three) Felt 2: A tribute to Lisa Bonet is my favorite of the three.

Murs, Sage Francis, and Tajai are my favorite rappers that I've never gotten the opportunity to see.
 
2013-04-08 12:36:23 AM  
Maybe the shiatty mainstream rappers (who ironically make the most effeminate hip-hop) but the underground and alternative scenes are all pretty damn progressive on these kind of issues.

/did someone upthread claim hip-hop hasn't accepted a non-black artist at this point? That wall was broken by the Beastie Boys in the very beginning and the genre is international at this point. Fark is full of ignorant dummies.
 
2013-04-08 12:40:16 AM  

rthanu: A. Snatchfold: Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.

I guess Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx, Paul Wall, Macklemore, and yes even Vanilla Ice are figments of my imagination then.

But what about poor Anders?  Why hasn't he caught a break huh?


Because he's a Cylon.  Ain't nobody gonna give a toaster a break.
 
2013-04-08 12:54:17 AM  

A. Snatchfold: JerkyMeat: Yes, because the under class of America and the world who have gained fame through retarded nursery rhymes, call the shots.

What exactly do you mean by this?


He's a waddling example of "stop liking what I don't like"
 
2013-04-08 12:58:01 AM  

Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.


Everlast, Pitbull, Kid Frost, Fat Joe, 3rd Base, oh wait.  You're farking stupid.  Nevermind.
 
2013-04-08 12:59:09 AM  

Yes please: Maybe they could start by accepting a non-black artist, and broaden their horizons from there.


Vanilla Ice paved the way for acceptance and he improved the quality of Rap through his diversity.
 
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