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(Daily Mail)   Proving they are one step away from the Westboro Baptist Church, anonymous celebrates Holocaust Memorial Day by hacking Israeli websites and replacing them with pro-terrorist and anti-semitic propaganda   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 173
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2013-04-07 05:28:40 PM  
24 votes:
That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.
2013-04-07 05:23:33 PM  
15 votes:

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.
2013-04-07 05:23:29 PM  
14 votes:
I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.
2013-04-07 05:29:34 PM  
12 votes:
So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.
2013-04-07 05:28:03 PM  
12 votes:

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


i560.photobucket.com
2013-04-07 05:23:31 PM  
12 votes:
Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.
2013-04-07 05:30:44 PM  
11 votes:
OH NO, OH GOD...

Anon attacked jews?

OH GOD, THOSE MONSTERS. It was alright when it was mormons, scientology, right wing political groups, corporations, and anyone else under the sun.

BUT JEWS? TO FAR! The jews are innocent little blessed chosen people of god! They don't deserve it! After all, it would take them doing something seriously wrong like creating ghettos for another group of people while trying to wield the united states like a great Goy house slave to do its bidding and stir up perpetual shiat in the middle east for them to deserve the attention of anon..

And we all know the jews are nothing but beneficial to the world, even when they become an isolationist racial/theocratic state and constantly stir up shiat.

THE JEWS ARE OFF LIMITS, SO SAYS THE JEWS.
2013-04-07 05:20:18 PM  
10 votes:
Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit
2013-04-07 05:50:53 PM  
9 votes:
stay classy, Jew-baiters.

(show me ONE instance where the folks who like to whine about Palestinians have ever given a rat's ass about Palestinian rights in Lebanon... in Syria where they have been literally being used as cannon fodder... in Egypt where the roads from Gaza are mined... and I'll show you a hallucination because it simply does not happen. Nobody cares, not really; but it sure is jolly fun times to make hysterical accusations of war crimes against tiny, embattled Israel - where rockets are literally landing in the north AND the south now.)

fark you, you know who you are.
2013-04-07 05:28:04 PM  
9 votes:
Quick how many people has Westboro Baptist killed in their homes, arrested without probable cause, or cost the US government to the nearest $ billion?

None of that has anything to do with hating "the Jews." It has everything to do with hating the Israeli government and the fact my taxes help to prop it up.

Daily Fail has figured out how to get page views though, trolling dumbfks. Maybe Westboro and Daily Fail have more in common.
2013-04-07 05:23:08 PM  
9 votes:
Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...
2013-04-07 06:06:38 PM  
8 votes:

you are a puppet: It seems like you picked one event and focused on that and then used it to describe 'pro Palestinian /antizionist folks' as a whole.


One event?

You live in fantasy land.

Google:  Greta Berlin Holocaust Denial

She's a leader in the movement.  The rest of the movement tripped all over themselves to dismiss the reality of her "ooops I showed my true thoughts" moment.  The few (mostly actual Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank) who slammed her and said her brand of European Jew hating had no place in the Anti-Zionist movement were criticized and told that they were hurting their cause by showing cracks in what should be portrayed as a united front.

I'm hardly a likudlik.  I'm a strong supporter of a two-state solution.  I think the Israeli hardliners (especially the ones led by voices from god) are farkin' whackjobs.  What does all this have to do with the holocaust and my relatives being slaughtered?  NOTHING.  So why do the anti-israeli peeps keep bringing it up?  Because they know it hurts.  And since i"m not a hard-core "river to the sea" supporter of their cause they don't care that it hurts me.  They don't care who they hurt.  As I said...there seems to almost be an element of glee in it sometimes.

In the long-term, however, it hurts their own cause to focus on Judaism and the pains of the 1940s instead of on freedom for the Palestinians.
2013-04-07 05:42:07 PM  
8 votes:
Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.
2013-04-07 05:28:12 PM  
8 votes:
Or its a false flag by western intelligence to drum up hatred for anon.

/nothing would surprise me
2013-04-07 06:00:24 PM  
7 votes:
When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?  Israel's government is just as anti-semitic and racist towards Arabs and Blacks.  I'm convinced they are the 21st century moral equivalent of Nazis.  And, just like the US warmly embraced Hitler and the Nazi party pre-WWII, look where we are, supporting a state guilty of doing the same shiat we fought against.

Yet it's OK if Israel creates Stuxnet which has done an incredible amount of damage yet "woe is them" if they get a taste of the shiat they dished out? 

Israel is a terrorist state that needs to be overthrown, and Netanyahu should meet the same fate as Saddam. If there were a US war against Israel I'd enlist tomorrow.
2013-04-07 06:00:53 PM  
6 votes:
Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.
2013-04-07 05:44:04 PM  
6 votes:
BTW...this would be a pretty nifty PsyOps operation to discredit Anonymous and turn public opinion against them...good thing Israel is never known to pay covert operatives and PsyOps experts to discredit their ideological opponents or anything...cuz that'd be turrible...turrible I tell ya...
2013-04-07 05:32:23 PM  
6 votes:

Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.


Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla
2013-04-07 05:25:17 PM  
6 votes:

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


Indeed. And like I've said many times before, Israeli Apartheid Week has done more to promote and popularise anti-semitism than any cultural phenomenon since the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
2013-04-07 06:12:27 PM  
5 votes:
Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.
2013-04-07 06:10:09 PM  
5 votes:

sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.


This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...
2013-04-07 05:57:07 PM  
5 votes:
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2013-04-07 05:42:22 PM  
5 votes:

leonel: I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.


Difficulty: the penis-wrinkles at AIPAC and the human garbage in the New American Century group would have people believe that any person who does not give a free pass to any and all actions taken by the Israeli government is by definition a goose-stepping, Hitler-worshiping anti-semite. Likewise, anybody who does not agree with the idea that all the trouble in the Middle East is the fault of the Palestinians and that the Israelis are wholly and entirely blameless is a Neo-Nazi who wants to carve a hundred swastikas onto each and every synagogue in America.

Difficulty #2: there's enough of them in Congress and throughout America that it'll take decades for those ideas to get out of the collective public consciousness.

/see also the political cartoon posted above by Uncle Tractor
2013-04-07 05:27:39 PM  
5 votes:
Maybe they should put together a team of mossad agents to track them down and kill them? And for good measure they can kill a random waiter, ensuring a good harvest
2013-04-07 05:22:53 PM  
5 votes:
It's true cuz anyone to the left of Bennett is pro-terrorist and anti-semitic.
2013-04-07 08:14:43 PM  
4 votes:

phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.

If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.


Jews are fine.  Israel sucks.
2013-04-07 07:39:05 PM  
4 votes:

reaperducer: The worst part about Israel is the way the Israelis are always strapping explosives to themselves and running into peaceful Arab cafes and blowing all the innocent Arabs to smithereens.

Oh wait...


You're right.  They prefer missiles and tanks these days.
2013-04-07 07:26:16 PM  
4 votes:

owlie: Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.


Mmmm...hmmmm....

You sure seem to know a lot about what the Palestinians "really" want, don't ya champ?  Meanwhile, we can see through the actions of the Israeli government EXACTLY what they want, which is the complete subjugation and control of any Palestinian people living with "their" borders.

Terrorist came from your neighborhood?  Sorry pal, but we're bulldozing your home.
Want to come work for higher wages outside the concentration zone?  Fine, stand in this line and be harassed and humiliated for a few hours.
Want to live freely in your own homeland?  Sorry buddy, that's a right we only reserve for our OWN people.  You're not worthy.
By the way, meet your new neighbors...they're going to be living in what used to be your family's olive grove...and they hate you.  Enjoy that.
2013-04-07 06:44:25 PM  
4 votes:
The worst part about Israel is the way the Israelis are always strapping explosives to themselves and running into peaceful Arab cafes and blowing all the innocent Arabs to smithereens.

Oh wait...
2013-04-07 05:47:14 PM  
4 votes:
I'll just place this here...

Israeli Soldier, Yonotan Shapira, Speaks Out against Israel War Crimes (BBC)

I try not take sides on the Israeli Palestinian issue. I find myself looking at the matter as objectively as possible because of my background.  There are times I find myself defending Israel, and other times I find myself sympathizing with the Palestinians.

But one thing I'm certain of, there is extreme bias in the MSM; be it the click-whoring tactics of the Daily Mail Fail or the baloney served by the World News Daily Deli.
2013-04-07 05:36:46 PM  
4 votes:
Nearly 20 years ago I had a friend who was Jewish and we chatted a bit. She said in defending her government's actions at that time the following quote, which I still remember quite vividly as we were driving in her car around New Jersey:

"How dare they behave like this after everything we've done for those people" (emphasis mine, but it was in the conversational tone at the time)

"You cannot reason with a Palestinian. They are like animals."

"We have given them everything, and it is not enough for them, they are stupid people. They followed Arafat."

She moved to Israel a few years later, and we have since lost touch. Those words though.. "those people." If her views (and she was a very liberal, educated scientist, employed, the works) .. if her views were at all typical... This is never going to be resolved peacefully. It isn't being.
2013-04-07 05:29:33 PM  
4 votes:

friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...


Meh. Even if true it doesn't mean anything. It's Anonymous we're talking about here, an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.
2013-04-08 12:21:05 PM  
3 votes:

sudo give me more cowbell: SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?   Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.

YOU sir, Are far too reasonable for Fark,
Seriously though. THIS x10000


Excuse me... but this argument of "they terrorize because they are victims" has been tried and is full of crap.
If I don't agree with a policy I don't strap a bomb to my chest and go out to kill as many women/children as I can in a mall.

Israel is not some big bully holding the Palestinians under it's thumb no matter how much you repeat that propaganda.
There are elements in the Palestinian community that wants ALL JEWS DEAD.  This much is written into the CHARTER of the RULING PARTY of Hamas.

You cannot ignore the ceaseless hatred and desire for blood that the Arabs have against the Jews.  This is not a "they are both wrong", so lets stop thinking about the issue or any nuance that is the HALLMARK OF A false-equivalency argument.

Let me bring you up to speed.  Hamas kills Gays.
Hamas kills Christians.
Hamas keep food/supplies from it's own citizens.


Hamas is supported by FOREIGN ARAB countries and therefore is not the David v. Goliath you pretend is going on with Israel v. Palestine.  The elements that have power from other countries are NOT PEACEFUL.  They KILL any Palestinian found to be working with Israel (they call them collaborators).

Lets be real about what Palestinian leadership is... HAMAS
By supporting the current Palestinian leadership you support killing Gays, Christians, and any non-conformists (women, Palestinian, etc.).
2013-04-08 09:58:08 AM  
3 votes:

Uncle Tractor: liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.

Israel has successfully raped Palestine, so now Israel has to marry her. Thanks to israeli colonization, the palestinians are de facto israelis.

Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

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1. Have to be a citizen to vote, unless you are voting in the US
2. They were Jordainians and Egyptians before June 4th 1967, then overnight they became" Palistinians"
3. Remember Black September? good times. 1947? 1967? 1973?
4. you are a retard and should move out of your moms basement and learn something about the real world.
5.Why do you support a group that keeps slaves and treats women like property? Dhimi or full blow member of the death cult?
2013-04-08 09:50:20 AM  
3 votes:

Uncle Tractor: liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.


The arabs of Gaza aren't Israeli citizens, why woudl they be allowed to vote in Israel?

You made a claim that it was based on ethnicity, if this was true then Israli Arabs woudl not be allowed to vote.


Uncle Tractor: Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

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You aren't an adult.  At least you aren't talking like one.  You are ignoring facts you don't like to push lies about it being an ethnocracy.  If you have soem other reason for your frequent lies abotu Israel I am all ears, but until then you have made a great case for being an antisemite in my book.
2013-04-08 07:26:19 AM  
3 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Israel is a democracy the same way Apartheid SA was a democracy; it isn't. The word you're looking for is "ethnocracy."


If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.  Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.
2013-04-07 10:34:35 PM  
3 votes:
SubBass49: 1. "Their" rate of reproduction, huh?  Interesting dehumanizing terminology there.  Would you say "they" breed like rats, or rabbits?  Thanks for the insight into your mindset and true opinion of Palestinians.

Had I wanted to say "they" breed like rabbits, I would have said so. I said exactly what I meant to say, you decided to pretend you know what I really mean, and conveniently failed to answer a simple logistical question.

2. Want to safeguard Israeli citizens?  Treat Palestinians in a manner that reduces their desire to have violent uprisings.  Hard to convince a person who has something to live for that blowing himself up is a good idea.  Yet somehow there seems to be a never-ending supply of young Palestinians who feel that life will never get better.  Wonder why.  A fair Palestinian state will provide more security for Israel than any checkpoint ever will.

If you're going to go down the path of judging actions based on reactions, there's absolutely no conceivable argument that would change your position. I won't try, but please consider how illogical that is.

3. Sure, Palestinians are free to build their own hospitals.  That's like saying that the residents of Compton are free to build their own hospital.  Should be easy, right?  Just come up with a few hundred million dollars and people that want to live and work in a war zone...simple as that!

I don't understand the comparison. Besides, lots of people live and work in war zones.

4. Are you actually wanting me to feel bad for Israelis that were evacuated from land that just a few generations ago was stolen from Palestinians and HANDED to Israelis, because Palestinians had the nerve to get angry and react?  Just want to know if you're serious.

Are you talking about land that individual Arab landholders sold to Jews? The British Mandate? I don't even know where you're going with this, unless you mean that a State of Israel hasn't always existed, which is true. Are you saying that's what the region should go back to? No sovereign nation of Israel at all?

5. My indignation is tied to the current state of affairs.  If Israelis were being treated as the Palestinians are right now, I'd be angry about that as well.  No human should be forced to endure what the Palestinians are enduring at the present moment in history.  You'd like to imagine that as a people that had historically been mistreated and enslaved, that Zionist Jews would be opposed to treating others in such a manner, but apparently a large portion of the population hasn't come to terms with the irony yet.  Maybe it's akin to the victim of abuse becoming the abuser when they finally are the one in control.

It's really very simple. Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is open to a two-state solution. Palestinian leaders are not interested, and in fact still don't all agree that Israel (in any form) has the right to simply exist (which, if anything, brings to mind Nazi Germany's denial of Jews' right to exist). If they want to be treated like a sovereign nation, then they should act like one. But as long as they continue to fire rockets into Israeli civic centers and commit acts of terrorism (not to mention using funds earmarked for public service toward furthering their efforts to kill Israelis), Israel's failure to acquiesce to Palestinian demands should come as a surprise to exactly no one.
2013-04-07 08:23:43 PM  
3 votes:

SubBass49: owlie: cptjeff: Richard C Stanford: You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?

1. Why does that stop it from being a destabilizing force?
2. We generally don't consider countries that deny roughly 35% of the people under their control "democracies" these days.


owlie: since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood),

You're in deep denial there, friend.

Show me where terrorists' neighborhoods are being bulldozed as punishment.

Read up, my friend.


I don't see where it says that neighborhoods have been bulldozed as punishment for terrorists originating from those neighborhoods.

SubBass49: owlie: Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.

Conspiracy theory?  When you segregate a group of people, force them into impoverished ghettos, force them to go through security checkpoints and stand in line for hours, restrict their access to quality health care, take their land and give it to settlers, and deny their right to have a nation of their own, how does that not equal subjugation?  Please explain.

I'm going to guess that you can't.


How do you figure Israelis are forcing Palestinians to live in impoverished ghettos? Where do you propose they live instead, that would be sustainable especially given their rate of reproduction? And how do you propose reducing checkpoint delays while at the same time safeguarding Israel's national security? How do you figure Palestinians are being denied access to quality health care, when even would-be suicide bombers who have been injured often receive treatment in Israel proper because the treatment offered there is superior, and what responsibility does Israel have to offer health care to Palestinians anyway when they're free to build their own hospitals and receive plenty of foreign aid? What judgment do you pass on Palestinians who have usurped traditionally Jewish land, who have desecrated and destroyed ancient synagogues and monuments on land that was given to them, or on the Israeli government for evacuating Jews from land they have lived on for generations? Moreover, where is your indignation over Jews who were expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where many lived since biblical times? And can you show me where Palestinian leaders have called for a two-state solution and Israel would not sit down with them?
2013-04-07 08:12:57 PM  
3 votes:
Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.

If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.
2013-04-07 07:28:16 PM  
3 votes:

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.


You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East? Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?
2013-04-07 07:26:29 PM  
3 votes:
Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?
2013-04-07 07:01:23 PM  
3 votes:
The two sides are Israel and a group of people who want them dead at any price and will never, ever, accept peace. Hamas will never under any circumstance accept anything short of the complete destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew in it. When the position is "we're going to kill every single solitary one of you and will stop at absolutely nothing to do it" where do you begin the process? Does it start with something like "Could you maybe only kill 80% of us?"

There is no concession Israel can make that would satisfy them. Wave around the '1967' border all you want and if Israel gave up completely on that point all that it would accomplish is giving people new places to fire rockets from... Just like what happened when Israel left Gaza. What did that accomplish? The Palestinians put Hamas in charge and celebrated with new rocket attacks. It is not in the interest of Israel for this to continue but it is in the interest of Israel's enemies that it continues, which is why it does continue.
2013-04-07 06:59:45 PM  
3 votes:

xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.


I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.
2013-04-07 06:52:46 PM  
3 votes:
Do you recognize the right of a Jewish state to exist in some capacity in the Middle East?

Congratulations, you're a Zionist. The above statement is all that "Zionism" means. I'd say 90% of the world -- even Farkers -- are Zionists.

Of course, there is a spectrum within Zionism. Some nationalist right-wing Israelis (religious or not) want all of the land "from the river to the sea," and various left-wing Israelis (religious or now) want a two-state agreement based on the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan. And there are Zionists all in between and more.

So, please, don't equate "Zionist" with some "right-wing, Likudnik" conspiracy to use the banks and the media to commit genocide. The word does not mean what you probably think it means. There is an ongoing debate even here in Israel.

/American Israeli in Tel Aviv
//Watched Holocaust Remembrance Day on TV
2013-04-07 06:52:35 PM  
3 votes:
Could be some college kids getting some lulz.
Could be psyops by Mossad.
Could be subversion by Stormfront types.

That's the thing about Anonymous. They're, well, Anonymous. Until they're busted.

Meanwhile, everyone still has their sides, so I'll abandon the thread to the tribe war already in progress.
2013-04-07 06:44:56 PM  
3 votes:

SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.


While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.
2013-04-07 06:34:53 PM  
3 votes:
p.twimg.com
Jewish settlers confront an elderly Palestinian as she
is evicted from her home
2013-04-07 06:25:30 PM  
3 votes:
So does "holocaust memorial day" celebrate all holocausts or just the Nazi one? If so, does it commemorate the millions of Slavs, socialists, gypsies, mentally ill, gay and disabled people who were murdered? Nope, just the Jews.
2013-04-07 06:13:42 PM  
3 votes:
One person's Terrorist  is another person's Freedom Fighter


/stop playing the victim
//stop building illegal settlement
///Stop denying the Palestinian's a home state
2013-04-07 06:09:36 PM  
3 votes:

GreenAdder: That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.


i141.photobucket.com

Came in to say that myself. Anonymous is not a specific group of people. It's whoever is anonymous at the moment. Their are many different anonymous and they don't all agree with one another. And there is no "leadership" of anonymous. It's an amorphous group of whoever. More of a concept then a club.
2013-04-07 05:40:13 PM  
3 votes:

you are a puppet: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla

I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.


I like the word "pedantic". It allows you to pick one word from a post and focus on that instead of actually addressing the content.

"You seem pedantic, which I suspect is a cover for your lack of a solid argument"

You tell me - why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy? What possible point of freedom, liberty or independence for the people of Gaza is expressed in that statement except for attacking (they assume) Jews on the point of their Judaism?
2013-04-07 05:39:20 PM  
3 votes:

GreenAdder: ZoeNekros: an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.

lewismarktwo: Well, that's certainly possible, but what people in the media can't seem to comprehend is that anon is not a hierarchical organization.  Hell it's not even an organization.

Precisely.


Yeah, but THE HACKER GROUP KNOWN AS ANONYMOUS is so much more of a sexy evil villain outfit than "some guy that is using the name Anonymous and wearing a downloaded Guy Fawkes mask while uploading his youtube video through 7 proxies"
2013-04-07 05:35:48 PM  
3 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla


I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.
2013-04-09 01:02:18 PM  
2 votes:
Amos Quito: There is no doubt that much of the mistrust, animosity, and enmity that arose between ethnic Germans and the Jews can in large part be attributed to the Zionists


This would explain why Hitler and the Nazis mentioned Zionists and Zionism so often during the Nazi political campaigns before 1933, and why Hitler spends so much time denouncing Zionism in Mein Kampf.

I mean, come now.  If you're going to make an assertion like this, at least try to back it up with a little bit of evidence from German and Nazi sources.

There may be no doubt in your mind that Germans and Jews became estranged after 1918 mainly because of Zionism, but I put it to you that Zionism was an infinitesimal factor in this estrangement compared to things like German resentment at having lost WWI and a willingness among many Germans to blame anyone but themselves for having brought that defeat on, a perception among German revanchists that many Jews did not favor their views (which was correct in many cases), the idea that Jews were the bearers of ideas like democracy, Social Democracy, and Bolshevism which were "un-German" and corrupt, the idea that Jews were an inferior race of people compared to Germans and that children born of unions between Jews and "Aryans" were a danger to the future of the German bloodline---these kinds of things appear all over Mein Kampf and other Nazi literature of the '20s and '30s, and were part and parcel of the appeals that Nazis made to Germans.  Zionism is mentioned once in Mein Kampf, if I recall correctly.  Germans cited many "reasons" for getting worked up about Jews after 1918.  Zionism just wasn't one of them.
2013-04-08 06:03:34 PM  
2 votes:

sudo give me more cowbell: What I am supporting is a system in which people are treated equally, regardless of race, and are given equal access to citizenship and legal protections.
What you are supporting is modern-day apartheid.


You support fair treatment how?

By supporting Hamas?  A religious group that kills gays?
What do you do besides railing against Israel?  Seriously man.  Do you have ANY connection to the land or the people there?
Or is this just your way of political masturbation?

How do you support fair treatment?  Are you trying to force Jordan to accept their Palestinians as citizens?
I hear lots of hot air coming from your side... about what you would do, what you would support, but REALLY MAN... What HAVE YOU DONE?  Who have you actually supported?  Organization name please.
2013-04-08 02:50:27 PM  
2 votes:

sudo give me more cowbell: Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.


I am sorry when did people in Israel start voting for who gets to be son of the former prime minister?  Because unless they do that he is just some random nutbag and not an elected representative with support of most the people calling for that.  See the difference.

/plus he never sadi all palestenains dead.  he talked abotu cutting off all electricity, oil etc to stop the attacks and if that didn;t work flattening gaza. He didn't say kill every palestenians as elected leaders of Palestine support for jews of Israel.
2013-04-08 01:47:18 PM  
2 votes:
Amos Quito:

Before 1947, there were no "Israelis". They were German Jews, Polish Jews, French Jews, Russian Jews, Latvian Jews, Austrian Jews... virtually NONE of which had set foot in "The Promised Land" for CENTURIES. Aside from a VERY small minority of Jews "native" to the area, all of the others  were Europeans and Asians who traveled thousands of miles to get to a place where they didn't belong.

The ONLY "claim" that they had to the land is that they were JEWS - by BLOOD (Political Zionism was largely an atheist movement).

The Jews that formed the core population of "Israel" were interlopers - most of which were driven there AGAINST THEIR WILL thanks to the actions of the Political Zionists that had been scheming to bring the "nation" to fruition for over 50 years.

Hitler was only a child when the Zionists began their "work".

Israel was founded on racist principles, and exists on racist principles. The "Jewish State" was contrived not to save Jews from persecution, but to prevent ASSIMILATION: For the greatest fear is not and never has been one of genocide, but that Jews will disappear *as a people* by attrition / assimilation - that they would simply cease identifying themselves AS Jews, and simply as "people".

The horror!


This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.
2013-04-08 09:05:22 AM  
2 votes:

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


This conflict has more than two sides.

No matter what Israel does the most violent and agressive movements in Palestine are going to have a lot of power as they are the ones getting most support from other mulim countries.
2013-04-08 07:22:57 AM  
2 votes:

super_grass: liam76: super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air. It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.

There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?

It was, the U.S. funded Tibetan guerrillas against China. Communist China felt that Tibet would be a launching pad for foreign interests, and rationalize it by pointing out how much the living standards improved under Chinese rule - which is true.


Nevermind that happened in 1959, and hasn't ahppened again, re-read the underlined.

jaytkay: In 2006 four Israeli soldiers were killed.

In response Israel destroyed large portions of Beirut


That is some nice revesionism there.

Are you honetrly so ignorant of the situation that you had no idea rockets weere being fired from Beirut, or do you just like to gloss over that fact so you can paint Israel in a bad light?
2013-04-08 04:55:41 AM  
2 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...

I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel. The countries refused to take their refugees because they would rather let their own people suffer to fight against Jews settling in Israel instead of showing actual love and concern to their own people. It's a better game if the enemy looks like the bad guy, especially since the world turns a blind eye to arab on arab crime.

/does anyone know how syria, jordan and egypt treat the palestinians?


Jordan kicked out 300K Palestinians back in 1970. King Hussein got tired of their terrorist crap in Jordan.

The Anti Semites never mention this fact....the Palestinians are despised by the rank-and-file Muslim. Muslim political leaders use Israel and Palestine as a way to divert peoples attention......but Muslims outside of Palestine see the Palestinians as spoiled and whiny. As a Pakistani immigrant once told me "hard for my countrymen to sympathize with Palestinians when they are wearing Adidas....and we go barefoot"
2013-04-08 01:37:10 AM  
2 votes:

LordJiro: It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...

So when Israelis killed people and kicked others out, they 'won the land', but when Israelis get killed and chased out, they DESERVE to go back home, and the Palestinians should quit whining about it?


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Real world calling...  Might makes right.
Might in Israel = As much rights as you can give with daily security concerns
Might by Hamas = Death to GAYS, CHRISTIANS, and non-conforming


/Israel is there because they have fought tooth-and-nail to keep that little slit of land.
//There is no moral debate of who deserves what... that's a 1st world luxury debate.
///If the Arabs had their way the Jews would have been exterminated in 1929.   1948.   1950s reprisals, 1967 six day war, the 1st/2nd antifada, etc. etc.
2013-04-08 12:07:29 AM  
2 votes:
So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.
2013-04-07 11:58:55 PM  
2 votes:
I have been noticing that a lot of people on these types of threads who wish to retort to another posting in the thread tend to make their points null by insisting on insulting the original poster they are replying to.  Why?  If you can't agree to the post then you should state your different opinion and be on your merry way.  Why degrade yourself by belittling others, especially over the internet which only goes to show that you don't really believe in your convictions and must rely on insults to justify your causes.  If one does not agree with you that does not make them the anti-christ or pedophile or whatever.  That type of black and white logic only leads to extreme positions and does not allow for proper rhetoric to allow people to come to an amicable conclusion.
2013-04-07 09:35:53 PM  
2 votes:

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?  Israel's government is just as anti-semitic and racist towards Arabs and Blacks.  I'm convinced they are the 21st century moral equivalent of Nazis.  And, just like the US warmly embraced Hitler and the Nazi party pre-WWII, look where we are, supporting a state guilty of doing the same shiat we fought against.

Yet it's OK if Israel creates Stuxnet which has done an incredible amount of damage yet "woe is them" if they get a taste of the shiat they dished out? 

Israel is a terrorist state that needs to be overthrown, and Netanyahu should meet the same fate as Saddam. If there were a US war against Israel I'd enlist tomorrow.


Because if you try to explain to...well, just about anyone, really...that the term "anti-Semite" also refers to Arabs and some blacks, they'll look at you like you just grew horns and spun your head a full 360 on your neck.

I would LOVE to see Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh's reaction to being called anti-Semitic the next time they start running their mouths about "those people" (by that, I mean Muslims) while singing the praises of Israel. Seriously, I think I would pay money to see the purple-faced explosion.
2013-04-07 09:09:36 PM  
2 votes:
 How do you figure Israelis are forcing Palestinians to live in impoverished ghettos? Where do you propose they live instead, that would be sustainable especially given their rate of reproduction? And how do you propose reducing checkpoint delays while at the same time safeguarding Israel's national security? How do you figure Palestinians are being denied access to quality health care, when even would-be suicide bombers who have been injured often receive treatment in Israel proper because the treatment offered there is superior, and what responsibility does Israel have to offer health care to Palestinians anyway when they're free to build their own hospitals and receive plenty of foreign aid? What judgment do you pass on Palestinians who have usurped traditionally Jewish land, who have desecrated and destroyed ancient synagogues and monuments on land that was given to them, or on the Israeli government for evacuating Jews from land they have lived on for generations? Moreover, where is your indignation over Jews who were expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where many lived since biblical times? And can you show me where Palestinian leaders have called for a two-state solution and Israel would not sit down with them?
owlie:
How do you figure Israelis are forcing Palestinians to live in impoverished ghettos? Where do you propose they live instead, that would be sustainable especially given their rate of reproduction? And how do you propose reducing checkpoint delays while at the same time safeguarding Israel's national security? How do you figure Palestinians are being denied access to quality health care, when even would-be suicide bombers who have been injured often receive treatment in Israel proper because the treatment offered there is superior, and what responsibility does Israel have to offer health care to Palestinians anyway when they're free to build their own hospitals and receive plenty of foreign aid? What judgment do you pass on Palestinians who have usurped traditionally Jewish land, who have desecrated and destroyed ancient synagogues and monuments on land that was given to them, or on the Israeli government for evacuating Jews from land they have lived on for generations? Moreover, where is your indignation over Jews who were expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where many lived since biblical times? And can you show me where Palestinian leaders have called for a two-state solution and Israel would not sit down with them?


1. "Their" rate of reproduction, huh?  Interesting dehumanizing terminology there.  Would you say "they" breed like rats, or rabbits?  Thanks for the insight into your mindset and true opinion of Palestinians.

2. Want to safeguard Israeli citizens?  Treat Palestinians in a manner that reduces their desire to have violent uprisings.  Hard to convince a person who has something to live for that blowing himself up is a good idea.  Yet somehow there seems to be a never-ending supply of young Palestinians who feel that life will never get better.  Wonder why.  A fair Palestinian state will provide more security for Israel than any checkpoint ever will.

3. Sure, Palestinians are free to build their own hospitals.  That's like saying that the residents of Compton are free to build their own hospital.  Should be easy, right?  Just come up with a few hundred million dollars and people that want to live and work in a war zone...simple as that!

4. Are you actually wanting me to feel bad for Israelis that were evacuated from land that just a few generations ago was stolen from Palestinians and HANDED to Israelis, because Palestinians had the nerve to get angry and react?  Just want to know if you're serious.

5. My indignation is tied to the current state of affairs.  If Israelis were being treated as the Palestinians are right now, I'd be angry about that as well.  No human should be forced to endure what the Palestinians are enduring at the present moment in history.  You'd like to imagine that as a people that had historically been mistreated and enslaved, that Zionist Jews would be opposed to treating others in such a manner, but apparently a large portion of the population hasn't come to terms with the irony yet.  Maybe it's akin to the victim of abuse becoming the abuser when they finally are the one in control.
2013-04-07 08:55:33 PM  
2 votes:
Can we all just agree that all religion is farking stupid, and move on? Please?
2013-04-07 08:52:29 PM  
2 votes:
phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians,


Actually, I do have some knowledge of the history of the area, but I would certainly be interested in hearing your perspective.

What say we start by discussing why and how all those Jews wound up in Palestine in the first place?

Let's talk about why they migrated there from Europe, Russia, Asia and elsewhere, shall we?

Let's discuss who desperately wanted to move Jews to Palestine - long before it was called "Israel" - and WHY?

Were most Jews anxious to abandon their lives in Europe, Asia etc. and move to pre-Israel Palestine? Why or why not?

How did the Zionists get their hands on the real estate? And how did they manage to build import a population of Jews that was large enough to start a country?

And finally, who financed all this?


/I love history
2013-04-07 08:43:36 PM  
2 votes:
Actually, on this particular issue, Anon and the WBC are rather less than a step apart. Both shout antisemitic things to garner attention, without actually meaning them. (Hyperbolic Jew-bashing on 4chan started as mockery of Stormfront, and it's well-known that the Phelpses' public personae are just that.)

/Ctrl+F "Tats"
//0 results
///*Whew*
2013-04-07 08:38:34 PM  
2 votes:

owlie: Show me where terrorists' neighborhoods are being bulldozed as punishment


In 2006 four Israeli soldiers were killed.

In response Israel destroyed large portions of Beirut.

axisoflogic.com
2013-04-07 08:27:27 PM  
2 votes:

phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.

If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.


Bingo.

If Palestinians suffer, "they had it coming."

If Israelis suffer, its because of anti-semitism.

Must be nice when you can cloak war crimes in religious zeal and call it good.
2013-04-07 07:55:49 PM  
2 votes:

flamingboard: Also, a lot of conservatives would love if the middle east went all Armageddony because then Jesus could come back.


I've written about the dominionists here before, they aren't just "hoping" for Armageddon, they're actually trying hard to use America to bring it about.

Also, too...I seriously wish Jesus would come back.
It's my belief he'd rapture many of the LGBT folks, inner city poor, over-punched hippies and food bank volunteers and leave all the bigots, neocon war mongers and religious nuts to fight it out.
2013-04-07 07:45:14 PM  
2 votes:

bostonguy: Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?


I believe that.

Imagine if the Israeli arms industry turned to consumer products with manufacturing in Gaza They should be like a Singapore or Hong Kong.
2013-04-07 07:40:52 PM  
2 votes:

proteus_b: detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.

Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".



Ah yes, here we are again. "YOU DID BAD SHIAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK ABOUT THE BAD SHIIAT WE'RE DOING TODAY - AND PLANNING FOR TOMORROW! NEYH!"

Well, tell you what, bubs, I've read the Torah - and the list of cruel, heartless wanton GENOCIDES proudly committed by the Jews against their neighbors is endless.

If today's atrocities are justified by yesterday's atrocities, Israel is long overdue for a shiat storm, pal.
2013-04-07 07:32:30 PM  
2 votes:

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?



Since about 1881.

If you want to talk about bigotry against Arabs or other Semitic peoples, I'm afraid you're stuck with the more general term "racism."
2013-04-07 07:32:13 PM  
2 votes:

bostonguy: Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?


If it actually did stop, they'd fake some more things.

Not to single them out as the only country that would do that, though. It's a pretty common practice these days.
2013-04-07 07:30:46 PM  
2 votes:

Richard C Stanford: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East? Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?


Well gorsh...in that case, carry on.  Lord knows that if they're better than a murderous and hateful dictatorship, they must be perfect!  Let's leave well enough alone!
2013-04-07 07:30:42 PM  
2 votes:
This is all too confusing.

Yom haShoah is observed on many different days in different countries.  Wikipedia sez that the Holocaust observance in Israel is really near December since the month closest to April is not supposed to have sadness commemorated.   In fact it may be difficult to find one local memorial service.

Westboro Baptist is basically a professional troll law firm going after damages against over-reactors for money.  Anonymous could probably drain entire banking industries very quickly if money were the motive.

According to Wikipedia, the day celebrates the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is right up there with the Alamo and all those other group heroic efforts against an overwhelming deadly force.

DailyFail is really just a picture book.
2013-04-07 07:20:50 PM  
2 votes:

sheep snorter: Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.



It's generally a bad sign when people refer to a particular opinion or political position as "the truth."

And the asserting preëmptively that anyone who disagrees with you is is ignorant and "retarded" for bonus points.  That's classy.
2013-04-07 07:13:10 PM  
2 votes:

liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...


The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.
2013-04-07 07:11:31 PM  
2 votes:

sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp
with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.


You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...
2013-04-07 07:08:38 PM  
2 votes:
Whenever one hears "The Jews are being targeted/abused/etc", the first thing to check is if the report is an actual credible report or if it is Likud or some think tank that aligns with Likud playing the victim card/spouting bullshiat.
2013-04-07 07:06:58 PM  
2 votes:

owlie: SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.

The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?


Israel in my argument is defined as the state of Israel (read: leadership), not the populace.  Sure, there are people within Israel that want a 2-state solution, but the government pushes settlements as political punishment for seeking UN recognition.  Not exactly peace-making moves there, champ.
2013-04-07 07:04:48 PM  
2 votes:

zedster: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term


Zionism: Jewish nationalist movement that asserts exclusive rights to the land of Israel without question.  It's methods are colonialist and racist in nature, as they assert the land formerly know as Palestine for an exclusively Jewish-run state.

Does that help?

Zionists do not equal Jews in the same way that Tea Party folks don't equal Americans.
2013-04-07 06:44:40 PM  
2 votes:

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.



You are a douchebag.

The 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis didn't do anything to destabilize the Middle East.

Pick a different day to protest.
2013-04-07 06:34:34 PM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.


Stormfront is that way ----------->
2013-04-07 06:30:03 PM  
2 votes:

sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa)


Actually, Hitler and the Nazis spent a LOT of resources staying on the good side of the Arab world for some reason (probably the same reason we're buddy-buddy...ish with Saudi Arabia: oil), to the point that they were careful to not use the term "semite" and its derivatives.  Sending the Jews to ANYWHERE Africa (except maybe southern Africa, but IIRC that was an Allies territory) would've pissed off the Muslims, so they wouldn't have done that.
2013-04-07 06:26:15 PM  
2 votes:

leonel: I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.


NO! If you take one, you MUST take the other! No exceptions! If you don't back Israel 100%, you're a Hitler-loving skinhead anti-Semite!
2013-04-07 06:23:54 PM  
2 votes:

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?


The word was coined by a German jew-hater who felt that the noun "Judenhaas" wasn't genteel enough to be used by sophisticated German jew-hating society types.   In spite of the fact that it contains the root word "semite", it has always meant "jew hating".

(also a seagull on lake michigan is still a seagull even though it's 2000 miles from the sea)
(also the democratic people's republic of korea isn't really a democracy)

/the more you know
2013-04-07 06:21:56 PM  
2 votes:
Some folks in Gaza celebrated Holocaust Memorial Day in their customary manner: By firing a few rockets into southern Israel.
2013-04-07 06:16:52 PM  
2 votes:
mypetjawa.mu.nu
2013-04-07 06:16:49 PM  
2 votes:

proteus_b: Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you)


It seems to matter to you to justify your bloodlust.

proteus_b: At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds,


It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years.  Your argument is ridiculous.
2013-04-07 06:16:21 PM  
2 votes:
The hack could be one 15 year old from his basement.
2013-04-07 06:15:31 PM  
2 votes:
We should all sit around and cry over the plight of the poor innocent peace loving Israelis.

Anyone who doesn't is obviously a racist and an anti-Semite.
2013-04-07 06:06:40 PM  
2 votes:

Lee451: Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.


So if I were a Native American and I'm going to take my land back from you, bulldoze your house and rape/murder/jail your family, you had better not ever say you wish to wipe Natives off the face of the earth or that'd make you a giant farking hypocrite.
2013-04-07 05:59:44 PM  
2 votes:
"The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.
2013-04-07 05:57:58 PM  
2 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy?


Why would a normal person believe they did that?
2013-04-07 05:50:59 PM  
2 votes:
Next remind them the Wailing Wall isn't theirs and it has no connection to Judaism.
2013-04-07 05:47:59 PM  
2 votes:
I'm not seeing the antisemitism here.
Poorly timed? perhaps. But they're hacking the websites of a government that's done some really shiatty things as of late. If you wanna call that antisemitism, then I gotta say, you're over-playing that card just a wee bit.
2013-04-07 05:38:11 PM  
2 votes:

ZoeNekros: an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.


lewismarktwo: Well, that's certainly possible, but what people in the media can't seem to comprehend is that anon is not a hierarchical organization.  Hell it's not even an organization.


Precisely.
2013-04-07 05:34:01 PM  
2 votes:
Actually, it seems kinda appropriate to me. What better day to protest the Isreali holocaust of Palestinians (whether it's real, or imagined), than holocaust Memorial Day?
2013-04-07 05:30:15 PM  
2 votes:

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


This.
2013-04-07 05:25:39 PM  
2 votes:
I guess they didn't want us to think they were going soft.
2013-04-10 05:18:10 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: tirob:

If they were attempting to undermine / sabotage the government, they would have been seen as traitors, and treated as such
.



I don't know whether they were or weren't.  I know of no records of any courts-martial that exist.  I've seen references to the business in literature, and it sounds to me as if there were no courts-martial; people got tied to posts and shot on suspicion.

Amos Quito: :

"strict neutrality?".


No, I know of no German Zionists who supported the Czar.  At the risk of repeating myself, read Fischer's book.  He makes no further mention of any attempts by the Wilhelmstrasse to get in touch with Zionists after 1914 (or vice versa); the context of this was that the German Foreign Office decided very soon that its policy of trying to subvert Russia's minority nationalities wasn't working well.  It therefore decided to put its money--literally--on Russian radicals--including the Bolsheviks--instead.

Amos Quito: Zionist allies [of Germany]
.



There was no such alliance.  It exists in your mind only. The Germans made an abortive attempt to create one in 1914.  Read Fischer's book.


Amos Quito: betrayal

I find it hard to understand why many folks flatly refuse to consider


I have considered it.

1.  There was no alliance to betray on either side.

2.  I hate to recommend Mein Kampf to anyone, but as long as you're operating under the delusion that German-Jewish enmity came about as a result of a betrayal of a nonexistent German-Zionist alliance by the Zionist side, maybe you ought to read it.  Before Hitler was a mass murdering aggressor, he was a German politician.  And a consummate politician according to every report I have read.  One of his political themes was hostility to Jews, as you are probably aware.  In Mein Kampf, in order to appeal to his audience--the voters of Germany--he accused Jews (or often "the Jews") of just about every possible dereliction that ever existed, and some that he made up.  Conspicuously excepting betrayal of a German-Zionist alliance.

The speech that Hitler never gave:  "Germans!  We must force the Jews to their knees because the Zionists went over to the British during the last war!"
--

Amos Quito: ,

working with allies to defeat a common enemy is not surprising
..



The "allies" of the Germans that I was referring to were the Bolsheviks, not the Zionists, and the common enemy of both the Germans and the Bolsheviks between February and October 1917 wasn't the Czar, who was out of power at that time, but the Russian Provisional Government, which by and large had the support of that part of Russia's Jewish population that remained under its rule.  Let me add to something I said earlier:  I think that your command of 20th century German history is poor.  I think your command of 20th century Russian history is nonexistent.  I know that it is a common mistake here to believe that the Czar was immediately replaced by Lenin, but that is not the case at all.

Again:  Read Fischer's book.  The Kuehlmann quote that I cited above should put to rest once and for all your theory, based on one anecdote from Wickham Steed, that Jacob Schiff was the money man behind the Bolos.
2013-04-09 12:44:29 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: 1. I'm one of those people who believes that we ought to remember the early anti-Nazi resisters, and I seldom can resist the temptation to put in a good word for them. And you did ask.


Fair enough.

tirob: 2. You'll have to ask Amos and Frederick about that. I for one believe that the Nazis tried to turn people against Jews not because of anything that Jews were particularly guilty of, but because they believed that it was in the interest of the Third Reich (and themselves) to do so. Half pathological and half calculated, if you please


I think we are on the same page.

Amos Quito: As I said, feel free to disregard my observations - the sources I cite are much more valuable


Observations?  Pretending that Germany under Nazi's invested in Israel isn't an "observation" it is a pile of shiat with a peanut of truth in it.  The same type of shiat that fills all your rants on Jews.
Saying you will help Jews leave if they buy german goods to use in Israel isn't "investing".
2013-04-08 06:26:10 PM  
1 votes:
ArmoredFelix: As a long time supporter of the Jews when I was younger, I feel disgusted in finding out how they actually are. Now I cheer when I see Palestinians have killed Jews.

Cheering on the death of innocent civilians and death in general is precisely what's wrong with the part of the world.
I'm sure you would have been CHEERING in the street on 9/11 along with your compatriots who also cheer at death of Jews.  Glad you've found yourself good company, friend.

/People who cheer on death make me sick
2013-04-08 06:23:18 PM  
1 votes:

sudo give me more cowbell: liam76: sudo give me more cowbell: Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.

I am sorry when did people in Israel start voting for who gets to be son of the former prime minister?  Because unless they do that he is just some random nutbag and not an elected representative with support of most the people calling for that.  See the difference. who's opinion seemed reasonable enough within Israeli society to be published in a national newspaper.

FTFY.

So

you are going to completely ignore the difference between the op ed of an unelected person and the stance of the leading elected party?


sudo give me more cowbell: /plus he never sadi all palestenains dead. he talked abotu cutting off all electricity, oil etc to stop the attacks and if that didn;t work flattening gaza. He didn't say kill every palestenians as elected leaders of Palestine support for jews of Israel.

Ummm... did you read the part where he said "FLATTEN ALL OF GAZA" ... cuz I'm pretty sure there are people living in gaza, and I'm pretty sure that dropping a nuclear weapon there would pretty much kill everyone.


Flatten doesn't mean kill every single person.  Plus he claimed "kill all Palestinians" when many fo them don't live in Gaza.

He never said drop a nuke, he commented that was how the US won in Japan.

Also you are missing how he talked about cutting off electyricity, fuel, etc.  Not something you do if you plan on just killing everyone.

sudo give me more cowbell: So explain to me how you think it's normal and ok that someone can publish an op-ed column in a national newspapers saying "hey guys, I think we should nuke these people and kill them all. Just an idea -just throwin' that out there.", and the rest of the society is all like "yeah, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea, maybe we won't actually do it, but yeah, let's talk about it, cuz it's a totally reasonable and not-at-all-farking-crazy idea"


I never said it was normal or ok.  I am just pointing out it isn't as crazy as you said it was, ie killing all Palestinians.


sudo give me more cowbell: and then explain to me how this is a society in which racism against the potentially-nuked-upon people is not endemic


Well, once again I never claimed they have no problems with racism.

This is the problem with people like you.  You try and pretend both sides are the same (the desire to wipe out the other is th esame) I call you out on it, and you pretend I am arguing their attitude is good or ok.  I can disagree with both and recognize one is a bigger impediment to peace.
2013-04-08 06:09:37 PM  
1 votes:

ArmoredFelix: As a long time supporter of the Jews when I was younger, I feel disgusted in finding out how they actually are. Now I cheer when I see Palestinians have killed Jews.


Well, if you don't have a dog in the fight, how about you just not worry about it?  It's not required that you pick one side to kill the other.  That's the fallacy of False Choice.
2013-04-08 04:22:21 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: sudo give me more cowbell: Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.

I am sorry when did people in Israel start voting for who gets to be son of the former prime minister?  Because unless they do that he is just some random nutbag and not an elected representative with support of most the people calling for that.  See the difference. who's opinion seemed reasonable enough within Israeli society to be published in a national newspaper.


FTFY.

/plus he never sadi all palestenains dead.  he talked abotu cutting off all electricity, oil etc to stop the attacks and if that didn;t work flattening gaza. He didn't say kill every palestenians as elected leaders of Palestine support for jews of Israel.

Ummm... did you read the part where he said "FLATTEN ALL OF GAZA" ... cuz I'm pretty sure there are people living in gaza, and I'm pretty sure that dropping a nuclear weapon there would pretty much kill everyone.

So explain to me how you think it's normal and ok that someone can publish an op-ed column in a national newspapers saying "hey guys, I think we should nuke these people and kill them all. Just an idea -just throwin' that out there.", and the rest of the society is all like "yeah, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea, maybe we won't actually do it, but yeah, let's talk about it, cuz it's a totally reasonable and not-at-all-farking-crazy idea"

and then explain to me how this is a society in which racism against the potentially-nuked-upon people is not endemic.
2013-04-08 10:20:46 AM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


You're yet to specify exactly what it is that Israel is supposed to be doing to "change the dynamic" that doesn't first require that the Palestinians first stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians. Want to stop Palestinian children from being killed? Stop recruiting them as soldiers. Want shorter waits at checkpoints (basically border control)? Tell your compatriots to stop trying to smuggle weapons or sneak in as suicide bombers. Want better schools? Spend less time indoctrinating youth on why it's important to hate Israel and the value of martyrdom, and more time giving the next generation an education. Want better health care and infrastructure? Stop spending so damn much on weapons at the expense of essential services to Palestinian citizenry. Want a two-state solution? Recognize the existence of the State of Israel and accept Israel's open invitation to sit down and discuss the terms of the agreement. If the other party is not even open to dialog, where do you begin, specifically? What am I missing?
2013-04-08 09:48:10 AM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


Here's how we get there: The palestinians forget about creating a palestinian state and instead demand their rights as israeli citizens. IOW turn the whole thing into a civil rights movement. Israel will then have two options: take the mask off and once and for all show the world what a nasty regime it is, or (for once in their entire history) do the right thing and let the palestinians in.
2013-04-08 09:07:50 AM  
1 votes:
Either they're batshiat crazy like WBC or this is a false flag op designed to discredit them. Probably the former, since they've already been pretty much discredited. Kind of like PETA, a few core hacktivists with a legion of script-kiddie sheeple.
2013-04-08 08:50:26 AM  
1 votes:
Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.
2013-04-08 08:17:10 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, good, another Internet dialogue of the deaf between the Zionist racist oppressors of the Palestinians and the Naziphile Jew-hating supporters of terrorism.  I'll bet a lot of problems get solved here.
2013-04-08 06:47:26 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Why is that, proteus_b?


Because those are the terms which are used by both sides in the area. Palestinians claim affinity with all Arabs and refer to themselves as such, and refer to the Israelis as the Jews. The Israelis likewise refer to those two parties as the Jews and the Arabs.
2013-04-08 05:29:23 AM  
1 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: Of course...the left and anti-Semitism have always been hand in hand.....people forget that the Nazis were National Socialist German Workers Party.

And, Joseph Stalin was beginning a purge of all Soviet Jews before he died

All this Anti Israel nonsense is just setting up Holocaust II.


Hitler and Stalin were liberal because Nazis AND 'USSR' had socialist in the name! Never mind that neither actually PRACTICED socialism, and were extreme authoritarians more than anything else, they were bad, so they're automatically LIBERAL!

/Hint: It wasn't American liberals, for example, supporting Hitler pre-Pearl Harbor. It was wealthy, conservative businessmen - they LOVED the guy.
2013-04-08 04:36:19 AM  
1 votes:
Meh. I've seen the Israelis get trolled like this a long time ago...

Link

Now, can we please change this to a hot Jew thread?

2.bp.blogspot.com

i446.photobucket.com

i.imgur.com

media.heavy.com

/Oy!
2013-04-08 04:18:23 AM  
1 votes:

ciberido: No.  As has already been pointed out in this thread, "anti-Semite" refers ONLY to bigotry against Jews.


Difficulty: "Semite" refers to several ethnicities, including arabs. AFAIK, most semites are arabs. To clutter it up even more, not all jews are semites.

So even though you are correct in saying that the expression "anti-semite" was created as a reference of bigotry against jews, the literal meaning of the expression means bigotry against all semites, jewish or not.  Furthermore, why should we use a flawed expression made by a bigot?
2013-04-08 04:09:15 AM  
1 votes:

Richard C Stanford: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?


Israel is a democracy the same way Apartheid SA was a democracy; it isn't. The word you're looking for is "ethnocracy."

 Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?
2013-04-08 01:27:25 AM  
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...


So, let me make sure I understand.  You are saying that, if you conquer a land, you need to make sure you commit a total and complete genocide - because if any survivors are left in the land, they will have a claim on it thousands of years later.

So the Israelites exterminated the Canaanites, Jebusites, Phillistines and had an uncontested claim on the land - but then the Romans didn't finish off all the Israelites when they came in, so the surviving Israelites can claim the land later.

Is that it?
2013-04-08 01:22:10 AM  
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...


So when Israelis killed people and kicked others out, they 'won the land', but when Israelis get killed and chased out, they DESERVE to go back home, and the Palestinians should quit whining about it?
2013-04-08 01:19:09 AM  
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...


I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel. The countries refused to take their refugees because they would rather let their own people suffer to fight against Jews settling in Israel instead of showing actual love and concern to their own people. It's a better game if the enemy looks like the bad guy, especially since the world turns a blind eye to arab on arab crime.

/does anyone know how syria, jordan and egypt treat the palestinians?
2013-04-08 01:13:58 AM  
1 votes:

spill_thrill: I heard Anonymous carved an actual Swastika onto some girls dorm room door.


With 19,000 hacked Facebook accounts and private websites 'hacked' with 'anti-Israel' images... a Swastika on a girl's digital dorm room door is pretty much the case here.

Real classy anonymouse.
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2013-04-08 01:12:53 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot


Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes along and establishes some real closure and peace.
2013-04-08 01:04:57 AM  
1 votes:
EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why? The Roman's, as part of the sacking of the temple (Emperor Hadrian... to erase any connection of the people to the land... a tactic enjoyed by the more learned Anti-Semites (see: Amos-Cannot-Quito Hating Jews above for reference).

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.
2013-04-08 12:37:46 AM  
1 votes:
2013-04-08 12:32:59 AM  
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.


You mean Canaan?

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2013-04-08 12:29:57 AM  
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?



Yeah? So you're obsession with ancient history somehow grants you title to the land, or what?


EsteeFlwrPot: Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?



One might ASSUME that it was named after the Biblical Philistines, no?

Oh, and BTW, did you miss this text from the Old Testament / Torah?

QUOTE:

"But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God."

END QUOTE


Seems to me that Jews who are obsessed with ancient history shouldn't be terribly whiny about others committing GENOCIDE, if you catch my drift.

You like ancient history? It's all or nothing, darling.

Make your choice.


/No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot
2013-04-07 11:43:29 PM  
1 votes:
good.  Israel have been acting like jerks lately.  can't say I feel at all sorry for 'em.
2013-04-07 11:02:04 PM  
1 votes:
SubBass49:
Nice answers, but they all seem to be

How very meta of you.
2013-04-07 10:54:14 PM  
1 votes:

owlie: SubBass49: 1. "Their" rate of reproduction, huh?  Interesting dehumanizing terminology there.  Would you say "they" breed like rats, or rabbits?  Thanks for the insight into your mindset and true opinion of Palestinians.

Had I wanted to say "they" breed like rabbits, I would have said so. I said exactly what I meant to say, you decided to pretend you know what I really mean, and conveniently failed to answer a simple logistical question.

2. Want to safeguard Israeli citizens?  Treat Palestinians in a manner that reduces their desire to have violent uprisings.  Hard to convince a person who has something to live for that blowing himself up is a good idea.  Yet somehow there seems to be a never-ending supply of young Palestinians who feel that life will never get better.  Wonder why.  A fair Palestinian state will provide more security for Israel than any checkpoint ever will.

If you're going to go down the path of judging actions based on reactions, there's absolutely no conceivable argument that would change your position. I won't try, but please consider how illogical that is.

3. Sure, Palestinians are free to build their own hospitals.  That's like saying that the residents of Compton are free to build their own hospital.  Should be easy, right?  Just come up with a few hundred million dollars and people that want to live and work in a war zone...simple as that!

I don't understand the comparison. Besides, lots of people live and work in war zones.

4. Are you actually wanting me to feel bad for Israelis that were evacuated from land that just a few generations ago was stolen from Palestinians and HANDED to Israelis, because Palestinians had the nerve to get angry and react?  Just want to know if you're serious.

Are you talking about land that individual Arab landholders sold to Jews? The British Mandate? I don't even know where you're going with this, unless you mean that a State of Israel hasn't always existed, which is true. Are you saying that's what the ...



Nice answers, but they all seem to be
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2013-04-07 09:42:11 PM  
1 votes:

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" "Wall Street," or "the Hollywood left," depending on your personal pathology, and sky's the limit


FTFY
2013-04-07 09:15:45 PM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: H

...

I can confidently say I speak for most Farkers when I say "tldnr".

/ tldnr
// Seriosly tldnr
2013-04-07 09:14:11 PM  
1 votes:
Or an intelligence agency did it and made it look like Anon did in order to turn the public against them
2013-04-07 08:58:13 PM  
1 votes:
Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?  We need to make this thread about guns too.
2013-04-07 08:57:22 PM  
1 votes:

owlie: I don't see where it says that neighborhoods have been bulldozed as punishment for terrorists originating from those neighborhoods.


You don't think the home of relatives may be in the same neighborhood?  Interesting.
2013-04-07 08:24:17 PM  
1 votes:
Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.


THIS  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^
2013-04-07 08:19:17 PM  
1 votes:

noitsnot: Jews are fine.  Israel sucks.


BINGO!
2013-04-07 08:12:53 PM  
1 votes:
Lee451:
I am a Native American (meaning I was born here)

Yeah, all the Palestinians were born there too.

and part Powhatan Indian. What is your point?

If the US started blockades and forced all of you to live on designated reservations and prohibited (or required you to seek permission that takes 6+ months) to spend one day at the beach not on "your" land, how would you feel?  If we started taking your reservation land away and claimed it was ours all along, bulldozed your house, etc. and then called you a terrorist for fighting back, how would you feel?  Some of you might fight back when pushed to a breaking point.  Would you be justified in doing so?
2013-04-07 08:06:13 PM  
1 votes:
Subby must live in his parents' McMansion basement.
2013-04-07 08:05:47 PM  
1 votes:

owlie: Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.


Conspiracy theory?  When you segregate a group of people, force them into impoverished ghettos, force them to go through security checkpoints and stand in line for hours, restrict their access to quality health care, take their land and give it to settlers, and deny their right to have a nation of their own, how does that not equal subjugation?  Please explain.

I'm going to guess that you can't.
2013-04-07 08:02:44 PM  
1 votes:

proteus_b: detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.

Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".


Uh we were attacked in part because of our support for Israeli terrorism.
2013-04-07 08:00:16 PM  
1 votes:

Richard C Stanford: You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?


1. Why does that stop it from being a destabilizing force?
2. We generally don't consider countries that deny roughly 35% of the people under their control "democracies" these days.


owlie: since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood),


You're in deep denial there, friend.
2013-04-07 07:58:13 PM  
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PaLarkin: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.


I believe you are referring to the Wahabbist Sunni, the Shia and Sufi are pretty much not into terrorism. Although the Shia are certainly prone to retaliation.

/the more you know!
2013-04-07 07:55:35 PM  
1 votes:

super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air.
It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.


There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?
2013-04-07 07:55:05 PM  
1 votes:

PaLarkin: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.


Why does pointing out what one side does automatically make you support the other side?
2013-04-07 07:51:47 PM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: owlie: Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.

Mmmm...hmmmm....

You sure seem to know a lot about what the Palestinians "really" want, don't ya champ?  Meanwhile, we can see through the actions of the Israeli government EXACTLY what they want, which is the complete subjugation and control of any Palestinian people living with "their" borders.

Terrorist came from your neighborhood?  Sorry pal, but we're bulldozing your home.
Want to come work for higher wages outside the concentration zone?  Fine, stand in this line and be harassed and humiliated for a few hours.
Want to live freely in your own homeland?  Sorry buddy, that's a right we only reserve for our OWN people.  You're not worthy.
By the way, meet your new neighbors...they're going to be living in what used to be your family's olive grove...and they hate you.  Enjoy that.


Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.
2013-04-07 07:49:35 PM  
1 votes:

miss diminutive: flamingboard: It's not a fair fight

Is that a problem though? I don't support any side of that whole clusterfark, but I know that if Hamas had attack helicopters, tanks and F15s things would go from bad to Armageddony real quick.


Not my point. My point was that they would rather use their military muscle instead of actually trying for a two state peace plan. Also, a lot of conservatives would love if the middle east went all Armageddony because then Jesus could come back.
2013-04-07 07:43:38 PM  
1 votes:

Richard C Stanford: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.

You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.


Like Madagascar?
2013-04-07 07:40:16 PM  
1 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: you are a puppet: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla

I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.

I like the word "pedantic". It allows you to pick one word from a post and focus on that instead of actually addressing the content.

"You seem pedantic, which I suspect is a cover for your lack of a solid argument"

You tell me - why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy? What possible point of freedom, liberty or independence for the people of Gaza is expressed in that statement except for attacking (they assume) Jews on the point of their Judaism?


Perhaps it has to do with the blockading of Gaza and the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.
I know, I know, it's outside agitators..it always is.

If you wish to know why they threw out that insult, perhaps you should look within.

It's sorta like the ignorant patriotic FARK Independenttm in America continue to insist that they hate us for our freedoms....
2013-04-07 07:32:57 PM  
1 votes:

flamingboard: It's not a fair fight


Is that a problem though? I don't support any side of that whole clusterfark, but I know that if Hamas had attack helicopters, tanks and F15s things would go from bad to Armageddony real quick.
2013-04-07 07:30:33 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone can do anything in the name of Anonymous. That's why it's called Anonymous. Moving beyond that I think we can all agree that both Israel and Palestine act like total dicks but one side is launching homemade rockets while the other is using the latest military technology they can get from the U.S. It's not a fair fight and Israels settlement expansions are just a big fark you to the peace process. Who gives a shiat if some imaginary guy in a book said you could have this land. THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE THERE!
2013-04-07 07:26:36 PM  
1 votes:

super_grass: liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...

The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.


I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.
2013-04-07 07:25:50 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Breeze: Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

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Congratulations! I think that's the most straw men I've ever seen in one small box.



I think that was one of those Poe's Law kind of situations where I can't be sure whether Uncle Tractor was trying to say, "Look how stupid these people are" or "Look how stupid I am."
2013-04-07 07:16:43 PM  
1 votes:

detritus: Lee451: Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.

So if I were a Native American and I'm going to take my land back from you, bulldoze your house and rape/murder/jail your family, you had better not ever say you wish to wipe Natives off the face of the earth or that'd make you a giant farking hypocrite.


I am a Native American (meaning I was born here) and part Powhatan Indian. What is your point?
2013-04-07 07:15:30 PM  
1 votes:
Anything that screws up the israelis is fine with me since the are the world's greatest terrorist organization
2013-04-07 07:15:22 PM  
1 votes:
Anonymous will always be attacked and ridiculed by the media just as "Occupy" was attacked and ridiculed by the media. Go against the "powers that be" and you'll be attacked and ridiculed too. AND most people will always fall for the propaganda. But, that's alright. Go back to eating your GMO food now.
2013-04-07 07:10:42 PM  
1 votes:
James Baldwin once observed that one lens with which to describe German persecution of European Jews was as a "Master Race" and "Chosen People". It's in a book about a serial killer of Black children in Atlanta and examines St. Augustine's definition of Faith.

Is that pin that's just dropped.

I think for a culture to value its own heritage above a nationalistic esteem (and its tax base) is a pretty ancient puzzle. Jesus was a Jew none to happy with Roman rule.

Same as it ever was.
2013-04-07 07:07:01 PM  
1 votes:
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/browse_tax/35/

Guide to gulls, terns and skimmers

/ornithological threadjack
2013-04-07 07:04:22 PM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.


The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?
2013-04-07 07:01:18 PM  
1 votes:

Hongcouver: Both of the two Israeli Jews I have met emigrated to Canada due to the actions of the Iraeli government. The majority of non-Israeli Jews I have met don't support Israel, some even openly expressing their embarrassment that Judaism even has a connection to the Israeli government.


No offense, but that's not a representative sample on which to base anything.

Still, people (rightly or wrongly) form opinions based on the information at hand. If I meet only two Indians (dot, not feather, sorry) in my entire life, then my perception of India will be comprised primarily of my interaction with them.

I could introduce you to 2,000 Israeli Jews (or American Jews) who would disagree with the ones you met. Israel is like the United States -- a 52% to 48% divide or thereabouts.

/Just saying...
2013-04-07 06:57:34 PM  
1 votes:
Both of the two Israeli Jews I have met emigrated to Canada due to the actions of the Iraeli government. The majority of non-Israeli Jews I have met don't support Israel, some even openly expressing their embarrassment that Judaism even has a connection to the Israeli government.
2013-04-07 06:55:13 PM  
1 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: (also a seagull on lake michigan is still a seagull even though it's 2000 miles from the sea)


Actually, no, it isn't. Neither is the same bird flying over the ocean. If you check a field guide to birds, you'll see that there no such thing as a "seagull". You'll see entries for herring gulls, ring-billed gulls, laughing gulls, black-backed gulls, and dozens of other species of gulls, but no "seagulls". It's a colloquial word for anything that looks like a gull, tern, etc., and has no more real meaning than "critter".

/why yes, I am a bird geek
//not the snooty kind though
///they are their own well-deserved punishment
2013-04-07 06:53:58 PM  
1 votes:

Kriggerel: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Indeed. And like I've said many times before, Israeli Apartheid Week has done more to promote and popularise anti-semitism than any cultural phenomenon since the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.



Zionist apartheid practices cause anti-Semitism?

That must really piss the non-Zionist Jews off.
2013-04-07 06:52:38 PM  
1 votes:

leonel: I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.


The Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial was among those targeted
2013-04-07 06:50:40 PM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.


What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term
2013-04-07 06:31:00 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: [mypetjawa.mu.nu image 438x310]


www.dangerouscreation.com
2013-04-07 06:26:17 PM  
1 votes:

detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.


Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".
2013-04-07 06:15:14 PM  
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From the very first line:

The global hacking group Anonymous launched a cyber attack against Israeli government websites in a web protest on the country's annual Holocaust memorial day.
2013-04-07 06:13:51 PM  
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Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mongbiohazard: GreenAdder: That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.

Came in to say that myself. Anonymous is not a specific group of people. It's whoever is anonymous at the moment. Their are many different anonymous and they don't all agree with one another. And there is no "leadership" of anonymous. It's an amorphous group of whoever. More of a concept then a club.

Why have a specific name for it then?


Because the idea of structure lends power.
2013-04-07 05:56:59 PM  
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letrole: The Jews are the Chosen People.

Deal with it.


The meek shall inherit the Earth. That's gotta be Iceland.
2013-04-07 05:53:56 PM  
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sudo give me more cowbell: I'm not seeing the antisemitism here.
Poorly timed? perhaps. But they're hacking the websites of a government that's done some really shiatty things as of late. If you wanna call that antisemitism, then I gotta say, you're over-playing that card just a wee bit.


Like I said, according to them even an iota of discontent with Israel is tantamount to trying to create a Fourth Reich.

/guy with a Guy Fawkes jpeg takes down poster put up by the Israeli government
2013-04-07 05:52:28 PM  
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fatcurlytoes: stay classy, Jew-baiters.

(show me ONE instance where the folks who like to whine about Palestinians have ever given a rat's ass about Palestinian rights in Lebanon... in Syria where they have been literally being used as cannon fodder... in Egypt where the roads from Gaza are mined... and I'll show you a hallucination because it simply does not happen. Nobody cares, not really; but it sure is jolly fun times to make hysterical accusations of war crimes against tiny, embattled Israel - where rockets are literally landing in the north AND the south now.)

fark you, you know who you are.


I'm glad you are so publicly foolish. It's simple, clear and removes the need to think about you more than absolutely necessary.
2013-04-07 05:34:19 PM  
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ZoeNekros: friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...

Meh. Even if true it doesn't mean anything. It's Anonymous we're talking about here, an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.


Both of these. My outrage meter isn't budging.
 
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