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(Daily Mail)   Proving they are one step away from the Westboro Baptist Church, anonymous celebrates Holocaust Memorial Day by hacking Israeli websites and replacing them with pro-terrorist and anti-semitic propaganda   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 371
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2013-04-08 04:55:41 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...

I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel. The countries refused to take their refugees because they would rather let their own people suffer to fight against Jews settling in Israel instead of showing actual love and concern to their own people. It's a better game if the enemy looks like the bad guy, especially since the world turns a blind eye to arab on arab crime.

/does anyone know how syria, jordan and egypt treat the palestinians?


Jordan kicked out 300K Palestinians back in 1970. King Hussein got tired of their terrorist crap in Jordan.

The Anti Semites never mention this fact....the Palestinians are despised by the rank-and-file Muslim. Muslim political leaders use Israel and Palestine as a way to divert peoples attention......but Muslims outside of Palestine see the Palestinians as spoiled and whiny. As a Pakistani immigrant once told me "hard for my countrymen to sympathize with Palestinians when they are wearing Adidas....and we go barefoot"
 
2013-04-08 05:29:23 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Of course...the left and anti-Semitism have always been hand in hand.....people forget that the Nazis were National Socialist German Workers Party.

And, Joseph Stalin was beginning a purge of all Soviet Jews before he died

All this Anti Israel nonsense is just setting up Holocaust II.


Hitler and Stalin were liberal because Nazis AND 'USSR' had socialist in the name! Never mind that neither actually PRACTICED socialism, and were extreme authoritarians more than anything else, they were bad, so they're automatically LIBERAL!

/Hint: It wasn't American liberals, for example, supporting Hitler pre-Pearl Harbor. It was wealthy, conservative businessmen - they LOVED the guy.
 
2013-04-08 06:47:26 AM  

Amos Quito: Why is that, proteus_b?


Because those are the terms which are used by both sides in the area. Palestinians claim affinity with all Arabs and refer to themselves as such, and refer to the Israelis as the Jews. The Israelis likewise refer to those two parties as the Jews and the Arabs.
 
2013-04-08 06:51:20 AM  
As a long time supporter of the Jews when I was younger, I feel disgusted in finding out how they actually are. Now I cheer when I see Palestinians have killed Jews.
 
2013-04-08 07:22:57 AM  

super_grass: liam76: super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air. It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.

There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?

It was, the U.S. funded Tibetan guerrillas against China. Communist China felt that Tibet would be a launching pad for foreign interests, and rationalize it by pointing out how much the living standards improved under Chinese rule - which is true.


Nevermind that happened in 1959, and hasn't ahppened again, re-read the underlined.

jaytkay: In 2006 four Israeli soldiers were killed.

In response Israel destroyed large portions of Beirut


That is some nice revesionism there.

Are you honetrly so ignorant of the situation that you had no idea rockets weere being fired from Beirut, or do you just like to gloss over that fact so you can paint Israel in a bad light?
 
2013-04-08 07:26:19 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Israel is a democracy the same way Apartheid SA was a democracy; it isn't. The word you're looking for is "ethnocracy."


If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.  Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.
 
2013-04-08 08:17:10 AM  
Oh, good, another Internet dialogue of the deaf between the Zionist racist oppressors of the Palestinians and the Naziphile Jew-hating supporters of terrorism.  I'll bet a lot of problems get solved here.
 
2013-04-08 08:50:26 AM  
Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.
 
2013-04-08 09:05:22 AM  

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


This conflict has more than two sides.

No matter what Israel does the most violent and agressive movements in Palestine are going to have a lot of power as they are the ones getting most support from other mulim countries.
 
2013-04-08 09:07:50 AM  
Either they're batshiat crazy like WBC or this is a false flag op designed to discredit them. Probably the former, since they've already been pretty much discredited. Kind of like PETA, a few core hacktivists with a legion of script-kiddie sheeple.
 
2013-04-08 09:44:01 AM  

liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.


The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.

Israel has successfully raped Palestine, so now Israel has to marry her. Thanks to israeli colonization, the palestinians are de facto israelis.

Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-08 09:48:10 AM  

SubBass49: How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


Here's how we get there: The palestinians forget about creating a palestinian state and instead demand their rights as israeli citizens. IOW turn the whole thing into a civil rights movement. Israel will then have two options: take the mask off and once and for all show the world what a nasty regime it is, or (for once in their entire history) do the right thing and let the palestinians in.
 
2013-04-08 09:50:20 AM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.


The arabs of Gaza aren't Israeli citizens, why woudl they be allowed to vote in Israel?

You made a claim that it was based on ethnicity, if this was true then Israli Arabs woudl not be allowed to vote.


Uncle Tractor: Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

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You aren't an adult.  At least you aren't talking like one.  You are ignoring facts you don't like to push lies about it being an ethnocracy.  If you have soem other reason for your frequent lies abotu Israel I am all ears, but until then you have made a great case for being an antisemite in my book.
 
2013-04-08 09:58:08 AM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.

Israel has successfully raped Palestine, so now Israel has to marry her. Thanks to israeli colonization, the palestinians are de facto israelis.

Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

[i560.photobucket.com image 500x357]


1. Have to be a citizen to vote, unless you are voting in the US
2. They were Jordainians and Egyptians before June 4th 1967, then overnight they became" Palistinians"
3. Remember Black September? good times. 1947? 1967? 1973?
4. you are a retard and should move out of your moms basement and learn something about the real world.
5.Why do you support a group that keeps slaves and treats women like property? Dhimi or full blow member of the death cult?
 
2013-04-08 10:20:46 AM  

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


You're yet to specify exactly what it is that Israel is supposed to be doing to "change the dynamic" that doesn't first require that the Palestinians first stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians. Want to stop Palestinian children from being killed? Stop recruiting them as soldiers. Want shorter waits at checkpoints (basically border control)? Tell your compatriots to stop trying to smuggle weapons or sneak in as suicide bombers. Want better schools? Spend less time indoctrinating youth on why it's important to hate Israel and the value of martyrdom, and more time giving the next generation an education. Want better health care and infrastructure? Stop spending so damn much on weapons at the expense of essential services to Palestinian citizenry. Want a two-state solution? Recognize the existence of the State of Israel and accept Israel's open invitation to sit down and discuss the terms of the agreement. If the other party is not even open to dialog, where do you begin, specifically? What am I missing?
 
2013-04-08 11:35:50 AM  

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


YOU sir, Are far too reasonable for Fark,
Seriously though. THIS x10000
 
2013-04-08 12:21:05 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?   Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.

YOU sir, Are far too reasonable for Fark,
Seriously though. THIS x10000


Excuse me... but this argument of "they terrorize because they are victims" has been tried and is full of crap.
If I don't agree with a policy I don't strap a bomb to my chest and go out to kill as many women/children as I can in a mall.

Israel is not some big bully holding the Palestinians under it's thumb no matter how much you repeat that propaganda.
There are elements in the Palestinian community that wants ALL JEWS DEAD.  This much is written into the CHARTER of the RULING PARTY of Hamas.

You cannot ignore the ceaseless hatred and desire for blood that the Arabs have against the Jews.  This is not a "they are both wrong", so lets stop thinking about the issue or any nuance that is the HALLMARK OF A false-equivalency argument.

Let me bring you up to speed.  Hamas kills Gays.
Hamas kills Christians.
Hamas keep food/supplies from it's own citizens.


Hamas is supported by FOREIGN ARAB countries and therefore is not the David v. Goliath you pretend is going on with Israel v. Palestine.  The elements that have power from other countries are NOT PEACEFUL.  They KILL any Palestinian found to be working with Israel (they call them collaborators).

Lets be real about what Palestinian leadership is... HAMAS
By supporting the current Palestinian leadership you support killing Gays, Christians, and any non-conformists (women, Palestinian, etc.).
 
2013-04-08 12:48:32 PM  

illannoyin: Meh. I've seen the Israelis get trolled like this a long time ago...

Link

Now, can we please change this to a hot Jew thread?

/Oy!


i.imgur.com
/thread
 
2013-04-08 01:20:01 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel.


LOL!

At least the "Arabs" were THERE - in the region - and had been for countless generations.

Before 1947, there were no "Israelis". They were German Jews, Polish Jews, French Jews, Russian Jews, Latvian Jews, Austrian Jews... virtually NONE of which had set foot in "The Promised Land" for CENTURIES. Aside from a VERY small minority of Jews "native" to the area, all of the others  were Europeans and Asians who traveled thousands of miles to get to a place where they didn't belong.

The ONLY "claim" that they had to the land is that they were JEWS - by BLOOD (Political Zionism was largely an atheist movement).

The Jews that formed the core population of "Israel" were interlopers - most of which were driven there AGAINST THEIR WILL thanks to the actions of the Political Zionists that had been scheming to bring the "nation" to fruition for over 50 years.

Hitler was only a child when the Zionists began their "work".

Israel was founded on racist principles, and exists on racist principles. The "Jewish State" was contrived not to save Jews from persecution, but to prevent ASSIMILATION: For the greatest fear is not and never has been one of genocide, but that Jews will disappear *as a people* by attrition / assimilation - that they would simply cease identifying themselves AS Jews, and simply as "people".

The horror!
 
2013-04-08 01:32:44 PM  
Anonymous jumped the shark when they supported OWS. Now they're just finalizing the deal.
 
2013-04-08 01:47:18 PM  
Amos Quito:

Before 1947, there were no "Israelis". They were German Jews, Polish Jews, French Jews, Russian Jews, Latvian Jews, Austrian Jews... virtually NONE of which had set foot in "The Promised Land" for CENTURIES. Aside from a VERY small minority of Jews "native" to the area, all of the others  were Europeans and Asians who traveled thousands of miles to get to a place where they didn't belong.

The ONLY "claim" that they had to the land is that they were JEWS - by BLOOD (Political Zionism was largely an atheist movement).

The Jews that formed the core population of "Israel" were interlopers - most of which were driven there AGAINST THEIR WILL thanks to the actions of the Political Zionists that had been scheming to bring the "nation" to fruition for over 50 years.

Hitler was only a child when the Zionists began their "work".

Israel was founded on racist principles, and exists on racist principles. The "Jewish State" was contrived not to save Jews from persecution, but to prevent ASSIMILATION: For the greatest fear is not and never has been one of genocide, but that Jews will disappear *as a people* by attrition / assimilation - that they would simply cease identifying themselves AS Jews, and simply as "people".

The horror!


This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2013-04-08 01:57:01 PM  

NostroZ: sudo give me more cowbell: SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?   Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.

YOU sir, Are far too reasonable for Fark,
Seriously though. THIS x10000

Excuse me... but this argument of "they terrorize because they are victims" has been tried and is full of crap.
If I don't agree with a policy I don't strap a bomb to my chest and go out to kill as many women/children as I can in a mall.


No, you just do it with helicopters from the air.

Israel is not some big bully holding the Palestinians under it's thumb no matter how much you repeat that propaganda.

Well we can go back and forth with the "no, it isn't" "yeah it is" "no it isn't"... but yeah, it really kinda is.

There are elements in the Palestinian community that wants ALL JEWS DEAD.  This much is written into the CHARTER of the RULING PARTY of Hamas.

Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.

You cannot ignore the ceaseless hatred and desire for blood that the Arabs have against the Jews.  This is not a "they are both wrong", so lets stop thinking about the issue or any nuance that is the HALLMARK OF A false-equivalency argument.

I never said that it was a "they are both wrong" situation, and I'm not by any means drawing a moral equivalency between the two sides. There is, indeed, a moral high ground here, and you're not standing on it.

Let me bring you up to speed.

No, let me bring YOU up to speed. In terms of respecting the right of others to exist; Who was it that applied for UN recognition as a nation state recently, and was only narrowly accepted as HAVING THE RIGHT TO EXIST?.... I'm pretty sure Israel's existence is pretty well recognized right now. Palestine not so much.


Hamas is supported by FOREIGN ARAB countries and therefore is not ...

Oh wow dude, just wow.... so Israel is not supported militarily by any particular foreign power?

NostroZ: By supporting the current Palestinian leadership you support killing Gays, Christians, and any non-conformists (women, Palestinian, etc.).


Supporting the current Palestinian leadership? no, I wouldn't say that, but supporting the idea that it should have the right to exist as a nation state with well-defined borders without Israeli troops tearing down houses and snatching land anytime they feel like it.

What I am supporting is a system in which people are treated equally, regardless of race, and are given equal access to citizenship and legal protections.
What you are supporting is modern-day apartheid.
 
2013-04-08 02:39:24 PM  

Joe Blowme: 1. Have to be a citizen to vote, unless you are voting in the US
2. They were Jordainians and Egyptians before June 4th 1967, then overnight they became" Palistinians"
3. Remember Black September? good times. 1947? 1967? 1973?
4. you are a retard and should move out of your moms basement and learn something about the real world.
5.Why do you support a group that keeps slaves and treats women like property? Dhimi or full blow member of the death cult?


1 & 2: They are citizens of the land they live on, because that's where they've lived their entire lives (even though the israelis may have moved them about a bit). Israel claims to be a democracy. Therefore all citizens have the right to vote. This includes the palestinians / israeli arabs.
3: You mean the times when they tried to reclaim the land that had been stolen from them? Yeah, I remember. What does that have to do with anything? (esp Black Sept, which only involved a few people)
4: Take your own advice.
5: You sound teabagger.
 
2013-04-08 02:46:26 PM  

Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


i560.photobucket.com

i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-08 02:50:27 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.


I am sorry when did people in Israel start voting for who gets to be son of the former prime minister?  Because unless they do that he is just some random nutbag and not an elected representative with support of most the people calling for that.  See the difference.

/plus he never sadi all palestenains dead.  he talked abotu cutting off all electricity, oil etc to stop the attacks and if that didn;t work flattening gaza. He didn't say kill every palestenians as elected leaders of Palestine support for jews of Israel.
 
2013-04-08 03:52:24 PM  

 noitsnot: EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.

You mean Canaan?

upload.wikimedia.org


Thank you.  I've been waiting all day for this.


      Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?

The Philistines?  I mean before they were smote by the Israelites.
 
2013-04-08 04:22:21 PM  

liam76: sudo give me more cowbell: Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.

I am sorry when did people in Israel start voting for who gets to be son of the former prime minister?  Because unless they do that he is just some random nutbag and not an elected representative with support of most the people calling for that.  See the difference. who's opinion seemed reasonable enough within Israeli society to be published in a national newspaper.


FTFY.

/plus he never sadi all palestenains dead.  he talked abotu cutting off all electricity, oil etc to stop the attacks and if that didn;t work flattening gaza. He didn't say kill every palestenians as elected leaders of Palestine support for jews of Israel.

Ummm... did you read the part where he said "FLATTEN ALL OF GAZA" ... cuz I'm pretty sure there are people living in gaza, and I'm pretty sure that dropping a nuclear weapon there would pretty much kill everyone.

So explain to me how you think it's normal and ok that someone can publish an op-ed column in a national newspapers saying "hey guys, I think we should nuke these people and kill them all. Just an idea -just throwin' that out there.", and the rest of the society is all like "yeah, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea, maybe we won't actually do it, but yeah, let's talk about it, cuz it's a totally reasonable and not-at-all-farking-crazy idea"

and then explain to me how this is a society in which racism against the potentially-nuked-upon people is not endemic.
 
2013-04-08 04:33:14 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would be so desperate to claim a few square miles of sand, scorpions, and sea water in the first place.
 
2013-04-08 04:43:40 PM  
But without Jews, there won't be any comedy!
 
2013-04-08 05:31:06 PM  
Amos Quito:

Israel was founded on racist principles

Cool.  Just like us.  Read Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution.
 
2013-04-08 05:48:41 PM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...

Kosher salt?


Wait, there's UNkosher salt?  I didn't think a combination of Sodium and Cloride could be unkosher, unless of course it touched a pig or clam or something...
 
2013-04-08 05:52:51 PM  
sudo give me more cowbell:

So explain to me how you think it's normal and ok that someone can publish an op-ed column in a national newspapers saying "hey guys, I think we should nuke these people and kill them all. Just an idea -just throwin' that out there.", and the rest of the society is all like "yeah, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea, maybe we won't actually do it, but yeah, let's talk about it, cuz it's a totally reasonable and not-at-all-farking-crazy idea"

and then explain to me how this is a society in which racism against the potentially-nuked-upon people is not endemic.


Yes, because in civilized countries like the United States, where audiences clamor for calm, reasoned, level-headed debate, only moderate views shared by the entire population are presented in mainstream media op-eds.
 
2013-04-08 05:59:23 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would be so desperate to claim a few square miles of sand, scorpions, and sea water in the first place.


Cuz there's this wall, see, with the wailing and the kvetching and the shaking and so forth.
 
2013-04-08 06:03:34 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: What I am supporting is a system in which people are treated equally, regardless of race, and are given equal access to citizenship and legal protections.
What you are supporting is modern-day apartheid.


You support fair treatment how?

By supporting Hamas?  A religious group that kills gays?
What do you do besides railing against Israel?  Seriously man.  Do you have ANY connection to the land or the people there?
Or is this just your way of political masturbation?

How do you support fair treatment?  Are you trying to force Jordan to accept their Palestinians as citizens?
I hear lots of hot air coming from your side... about what you would do, what you would support, but REALLY MAN... What HAVE YOU DONE?  Who have you actually supported?  Organization name please.
 
2013-04-08 06:09:37 PM  

ArmoredFelix: As a long time supporter of the Jews when I was younger, I feel disgusted in finding out how they actually are. Now I cheer when I see Palestinians have killed Jews.


Well, if you don't have a dog in the fight, how about you just not worry about it?  It's not required that you pick one side to kill the other.  That's the fallacy of False Choice.
 
2013-04-08 06:16:41 PM  

tirob: Amos Quito:

Israel was founded on racist principles

Cool.  Just like us.  Read Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution.



1. I see mo mention of "race" in there
2. See Amendment 14 (1868)
3. I thought "Western", "1st World" "Democracies" were supposed to have moved beyond such antiquated barbarism
4.

upload.wikimedia.org

5. Israel continues the practice - and makes no apologies for so doing

But it's ISRAEL, so it's all cool, right?
 
2013-04-08 06:23:18 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: liam76: sudo give me more cowbell: Right, well would you be surprised if I were to direct you to an op-ed in which the son of the former Israel prime minister explicitly declared that he wanted ALL PALESTINIANS DEAD. There are crazy people endorsing genocide on both sides of this.

I am sorry when did people in Israel start voting for who gets to be son of the former prime minister?  Because unless they do that he is just some random nutbag and not an elected representative with support of most the people calling for that.  See the difference. who's opinion seemed reasonable enough within Israeli society to be published in a national newspaper.

FTFY.

So

you are going to completely ignore the difference between the op ed of an unelected person and the stance of the leading elected party?


sudo give me more cowbell: /plus he never sadi all palestenains dead. he talked abotu cutting off all electricity, oil etc to stop the attacks and if that didn;t work flattening gaza. He didn't say kill every palestenians as elected leaders of Palestine support for jews of Israel.

Ummm... did you read the part where he said "FLATTEN ALL OF GAZA" ... cuz I'm pretty sure there are people living in gaza, and I'm pretty sure that dropping a nuclear weapon there would pretty much kill everyone.


Flatten doesn't mean kill every single person.  Plus he claimed "kill all Palestinians" when many fo them don't live in Gaza.

He never said drop a nuke, he commented that was how the US won in Japan.

Also you are missing how he talked about cutting off electyricity, fuel, etc.  Not something you do if you plan on just killing everyone.

sudo give me more cowbell: So explain to me how you think it's normal and ok that someone can publish an op-ed column in a national newspapers saying "hey guys, I think we should nuke these people and kill them all. Just an idea -just throwin' that out there.", and the rest of the society is all like "yeah, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea, maybe we won't actually do it, but yeah, let's talk about it, cuz it's a totally reasonable and not-at-all-farking-crazy idea"


I never said it was normal or ok.  I am just pointing out it isn't as crazy as you said it was, ie killing all Palestinians.


sudo give me more cowbell: and then explain to me how this is a society in which racism against the potentially-nuked-upon people is not endemic


Well, once again I never claimed they have no problems with racism.

This is the problem with people like you.  You try and pretend both sides are the same (the desire to wipe out the other is th esame) I call you out on it, and you pretend I am arguing their attitude is good or ok.  I can disagree with both and recognize one is a bigger impediment to peace.
 
2013-04-08 06:26:10 PM  
ArmoredFelix: As a long time supporter of the Jews when I was younger, I feel disgusted in finding out how they actually are. Now I cheer when I see Palestinians have killed Jews.

Cheering on the death of innocent civilians and death in general is precisely what's wrong with the part of the world.
I'm sure you would have been CHEERING in the street on 9/11 along with your compatriots who also cheer at death of Jews.  Glad you've found yourself good company, friend.

/People who cheer on death make me sick
 
2013-04-08 06:57:40 PM  

Amos Quito: tirob: Amos Quito:

Israel was founded on racist principles

Cool.  Just like us.  Read Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution.

1. I see mo mention of "race" in there



No, it isn't mentioned explicitly at all.  But I cannot believe that you don't know that the "all other persons," "three-fifths" of whom counted towards apportionment of representatives and direct taxes, referred to black slaves.

Amos Quito:

2. See Amendment 14 (1868)
3. I thought "Western", "1st World" "Democracies" were supposed to have moved beyond such antiquated barbarism
4.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]

5. Israel continues the practice - and makes no apologies for so doing

But it's ISRAEL, so it's all cool, right?



I challenge you to find one thing I have ever uttered on this blog in defense of *any* kind of racism, the Israeli variety not excepted.

It would be nice to think that the 14th Amendment ended official racism here, but I for one believe that there is some evidence that it didn't.  Since the issue of this thread is Israel, I'll refrain from citing chapter and verse.

Yeah, we've elected a black President.  Score one for us.  I'm no Israel expert, but I am sure I have read somewhere that while there have been no Arab prime ministers of that country, there are and for some time have been Israeli Druzes (Arabic speaking people) in high positions in its government, including general officers in the army.  (Sarcasm on) Which proves that Israelis have come almost as far as we have in this regard, of course (sarcasm off).
 
2013-04-08 08:24:35 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Lehk: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.

Stormfront is that way ----------->

Cute


*ploink*
 
2013-04-08 09:57:41 PM  
 
2013-04-08 11:01:46 PM  

tirob: Amos Quito: tirob: Amos Quito:

Israel was founded on racist principles

Cool.  Just like us.  Read Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution.

1. I see mo mention of "race" in there


No, it isn't mentioned explicitly at all.  But I cannot believe that you don't know that the "all other persons," "three-fifths" of whom counted towards apportionment of representatives and direct taxes, referred to black slaves.



Obviously (though there were free blacks that counted as 100% a "person" even then).

I knew to what what you were referring, but times have changed, attitudes have changed, and policy has changed. One cannot compare 1776 with 2013 - or even 1947. The problem is that Israel has NOT kept up with "the times" in terms of tolerance and acceptance. They remain grounded in their bigoted, ethnocentric - and yes - racist attitudes and policies to this day.

So what? they say. What about Saudi Arabia and this country and that country and blah blah blah...! Well, those countries are not simultaneously declaring that they are enlightened, Western-style democracies as they commit their shenanigans, are they?


tirob: I challenge you to find one thing I have ever uttered on this blog in defense of *any* kind of racism, the Israeli variety not excepted.



The snark wasn't directed at you specifically, tirob. I've found you to be a reasonable person, but I don't buy the "you did 200 years ago then so we have every right to do it NOW" argument that is constantly regurgitated by the apologists. The reason that a "One State" solution will NEVER be accepted by Israel is that they would almost immediately be outnumbered, and the "JEWISH STATE" would immediately cease to be Jewish Ruled and controlled, defeating the very purpose of the drive of Political Zionism.

A "Two State" solution? Yeah, that'd work - for about 15 minutes - until the Israeli's found an excuse to DECLARE WAR on the Pallies, and, unconstrained by the "occupation accusation", crushing them mercilessly with overwhelming force - and then it's back to taking the land.

The shiattest part of this whole deal is that what they do reflects HORRIBLY on ALL JEWS, no matter where they are or what they believe - and it ALSO reflects HORRIBLY on the US, who is (rightfully) seen as supporting the pernicious debauchery of this nightmare creation of Zionist Zealots.

I wish I could say that I could offer a reasonable, practical solution to the mess over there, but I'm afraid that the Zionists have entrenched themselves too deeply - they CAN'T turn back, there IS no forward, and they have made so many enemies that ANYONE who is seen as aiding and abetting - including US -  is going to reap the whirlwind in the judgement of history.

As for the future?

upload.wikimedia.org

Hold on to your hat.

Looks like it's gonna' be a hell of a ride.
 
2013-04-08 11:18:25 PM  

owlie: Amos Quito:

Before 1947, there were no "Israelis". They were German Jews, Polish Jews, French Jews, Russian Jews, Latvian Jews, Austrian Jews... virtually NONE of which had set foot in "The Promised Land" for CENTURIES. Aside from a VERY small minority of Jews "native" to the area, all of the others  were Europeans and Asians who traveled thousands of miles to get to a place where they didn't belong.

The ONLY "claim" that they had to the land is that they were JEWS - by BLOOD (Political Zionism was largely an atheist movement).

The Jews that formed the core population of "Israel" were interlopers - most of which were driven there AGAINST THEIR WILL thanks to the actions of the Political Zionists that had been scheming to bring the "nation" to fruition for over 50 years.

Hitler was only a child when the Zionists began their "work".

Israel was founded on racist principles, and exists on racist principles. The "Jewish State" was contrived not to save Jews from persecution, but to prevent ASSIMILATION: For the greatest fear is not and never has been one of genocide, but that Jews will disappear *as a people* by attrition / assimilation - that they would simply cease identifying themselves AS Jews, and simply as "people".

The horror!

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.



Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.
 
2013-04-09 12:17:37 AM  

Amos Quito: owlie:

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.


Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.


Did you really go there? That's cute.
 
2013-04-09 01:07:29 AM  

owlie: Amos Quito: owlie:

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.


Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.

Did you really go there? That's cute.


Yeah, I really went there.

4.bp.blogspot.com

When an airliner crashes in the US, personnel from the NTSB immediately respond to begin investigating the incident.

Their job is not to tell us how many people died, how badly they may have suffered, or to create a tear-jerking melodrama bemoaning the poor, innocent victims, and how they didn't DESERVE to die. No, their job is to try to figure out what went wrong - the specific goal being TO PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES FROM RECURRING.

Ideally, it shouldn't matter to them whether it was a faulty electrical circuit, bad weather, an undetected hairline crack in a turbine blade, or whether the cockpit crew was coked-up and getting blowjobs from the flight attendants.

Irrelevant.

Their job is to discover the root-cause of the problem in the hopes of implementing policy and procedure that prevent it happening again - and if some individual or some company's reputation is "tarnished" in the process - if someone's FEELINGS are hurt, too farking bad. If you REALLY want to solve the problem and prevent another disaster, you'd better check your butthurt at the door, and tell it like it is, otherwise, you're just jerking off.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

-- Albert Einstein


/Are we there yet?
 
2013-04-09 01:33:50 AM  

Amos Quito: owlie: Amos Quito: owlie:

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.


Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.

Did you really go there? That's cute.

Yeah, I really went there.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 258x145]

When an airliner crashes in the US, personnel from the NTSB immediately respond to begin investigating the incident.

Their job is not to tell us how many people died, how badly they may have suffered, or to create a tear-jerking melodrama bemoaning the poor, innocent victims, and how they didn't DESERVE to die. No, their job is to try to figure out what went wrong - the specific goal being TO PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES FROM RECURRING.

Ideally, it shouldn't matter to them whether it was a faulty electrical circuit, bad weather, an undetected hairline crack in a turbine blade, or whether the cockpit crew was coked-up and getting blowjobs from the flight attendants.

Irrelevant.

Their job is to discover the root-cause of the problem in the hopes of implementing policy and procedure that prevent it happening again - and if some individual or some company's reputation is "tarnished" in the process - if someone's FEELINGS are hurt, too farking bad. If you REALLY want to solve the problem and prevent another disaster, you'd better check your butthurt at the door, and tell it like it is, otherwise, you're just jerking off.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

-- Albert Einstein


/Are we there yet?


While I may not agree with you, blaming the victim is a pretty tidy way to wrap up every genocide anywhere, ever. So, well done.
 
2013-04-09 01:45:45 AM  

owlie: Amos Quito: owlie: Amos Quito: owlie:

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.


Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.

Did you really go there? That's cute.

Yeah, I really went there.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 258x145]

When an airliner crashes in the US, personnel from the NTSB immediately respond to begin investigating the incident.

Their job is not to tell us how many people died, how badly they may have suffered, or to create a tear-jerking melodrama bemoaning the poor, innocent victims, and how they didn't DESERVE to die. No, their job is to try to figure out what went wrong - the specific goal being TO PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES FROM RECURRING.

Ideally, it shouldn't matter to them whether it was a faulty electrical circuit, bad weather, an undetected hairline crack in a turbine blade, or whether the cockpit crew was coked-up and getting blowjobs from the flight attendants.

Irrelevant.

Their job is to discover the root-cause of the problem in the hopes of implementing policy and procedure that prevent it happening again - and if some individual or some company's reputation is "tarnished" in the process - if someone's FEELINGS are hurt, too farking bad. If you REALLY want to solve the problem and prevent another disaster, you'd better check your butthurt at the door, and tell it like it is, otherwise, you're just jerking off.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

-- Albert Einstein


/Are we there yet?

While I may not agree with you, blaming the victim is a pretty ...


But why does it keep happening?
 
2013-04-09 01:45:48 AM  

owlie: Amos Quito: owlie: Amos Quito: owlie:

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.


Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.

Did you really go there? That's cute.

Yeah, I really went there.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 258x145]

When an airliner crashes in the US, personnel from the NTSB immediately respond to begin investigating the incident.

Their job is not to tell us how many people died, how badly they may have suffered, or to create a tear-jerking melodrama bemoaning the poor, innocent victims, and how they didn't DESERVE to die. No, their job is to try to figure out what went wrong - the specific goal being TO PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES FROM RECURRING.

Ideally, it shouldn't matter to them whether it was a faulty electrical circuit, bad weather, an undetected hairline crack in a turbine blade, or whether the cockpit crew was coked-up and getting blowjobs from the flight attendants.

Irrelevant.

Their job is to discover the root-cause of the problem in the hopes of implementing policy and procedure that prevent it happening again - and if some individual or some company's reputation is "tarnished" in the process - if someone's FEELINGS are hurt, too farking bad. If you REALLY want to solve the problem and prevent another disaster, you'd better check your butthurt at the door, and tell it like it is, otherwise, you're just jerking off.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

-- Albert Einstein


/Are we there yet?


While I may not agree with you, blaming the victim is a pretty tidy way to wrap up every genocide anywhere, ever. So, well done.


www.searchrobot.net

FARKING BASTARDS!

They made the bridge too low...

ON PURPOSE!


/Why do they hate me???
 
2013-04-09 02:21:17 AM  
Amos Quito:

/Why do they hate me???

That's a great question. Now you have me wondering why Nazis hated homosexuals, Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses, and physically and mentally disabled persons. Surely they did something to bring it upon themselves, as did Armenians and Bosnian Muslims. Oh, and rape victims, but don't even get me started on those sluts.
 
2013-04-09 02:39:34 AM  

owlie: Amos Quito: owlie:

This is exactly right. Jews didn't leave Spain or England because they were exiled, or Russia because of pogroms, or Nazi occupied Europe because of the Holocaust, or Arab countries in the 1930s onward because they were expelled, but out of fears of assimilation and fervent Zionist sentiment. Thanks for clearing that up.


Have you ever considered whether it MIGHT be productive to pause at being so obsessed with WHAT happened (over and over and over - here, there and everywhere!) and start asking yourselves WHY?

Just a thought.

Did you really go there? That's cute.


Is this a deflection to avoid answering?

In my conversations with seemingly neutral observers it is a valid historical question.  And IMO without a sincere, meaningful discussion of "why", "never again" is empty rhetoric.
 
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