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2013-04-07 07:04:22 PM  

SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.


The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?
 
2013-04-07 07:04:48 PM  

zedster: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term


Zionism: Jewish nationalist movement that asserts exclusive rights to the land of Israel without question.  It's methods are colonialist and racist in nature, as they assert the land formerly know as Palestine for an exclusively Jewish-run state.

Does that help?

Zionists do not equal Jews in the same way that Tea Party folks don't equal Americans.
 
2013-04-07 07:05:18 PM  

SubBass49: zedster: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term

Zionism: Jewish nationalist movement that asserts exclusive rights to the land of Israel without question.  It's methods are colonialist and racist in nature, as they assert the land formerly know as Palestine for an exclusively Jewish-run state.

Does that help?

Zionists do not equal Jews in the same way that Tea Party folks don't equal Americans.


It does on fark.
 
2013-04-07 07:06:58 PM  

owlie: SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.

The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?


Israel in my argument is defined as the state of Israel (read: leadership), not the populace.  Sure, there are people within Israel that want a 2-state solution, but the government pushes settlements as political punishment for seeking UN recognition.  Not exactly peace-making moves there, champ.
 
2013-04-07 07:07:01 PM  
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/browse_tax/35/

Guide to gulls, terns and skimmers

/ornithological threadjack
 
2013-04-07 07:08:38 PM  
Whenever one hears "The Jews are being targeted/abused/etc", the first thing to check is if the report is an actual credible report or if it is Likud or some think tank that aligns with Likud playing the victim card/spouting bullshiat.
 
2013-04-07 07:10:42 PM  
James Baldwin once observed that one lens with which to describe German persecution of European Jews was as a "Master Race" and "Chosen People". It's in a book about a serial killer of Black children in Atlanta and examines St. Augustine's definition of Faith.

Is that pin that's just dropped.

I think for a culture to value its own heritage above a nationalistic esteem (and its tax base) is a pretty ancient puzzle. Jesus was a Jew none to happy with Roman rule.

Same as it ever was.
 
2013-04-07 07:11:31 PM  

sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp
with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.


You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...
 
2013-04-07 07:13:10 PM  

liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...


The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.
 
2013-04-07 07:14:52 PM  

SubBass49: owlie: SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.

The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?

Israel in my argument is defined as the state of Israel (read: leadership), not the populace.  Sure, there are people within Israel that want a 2-state solution, but the government pushes settlements as political punishment for seeking UN recognition.  Not exactly peace-making moves there, champ.


Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.
 
2013-04-07 07:15:22 PM  
Anonymous will always be attacked and ridiculed by the media just as "Occupy" was attacked and ridiculed by the media. Go against the "powers that be" and you'll be attacked and ridiculed too. AND most people will always fall for the propaganda. But, that's alright. Go back to eating your GMO food now.
 
2013-04-07 07:15:30 PM  
Anything that screws up the israelis is fine with me since the are the world's greatest terrorist organization
 
2013-04-07 07:16:43 PM  

detritus: Lee451: Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.

So if I were a Native American and I'm going to take my land back from you, bulldoze your house and rape/murder/jail your family, you had better not ever say you wish to wipe Natives off the face of the earth or that'd make you a giant farking hypocrite.


I am a Native American (meaning I was born here) and part Powhatan Indian. What is your point?
 
2013-04-07 07:19:43 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/browse_tax/35/

Guide to gulls, terns and skimmers

/ornithological threadjack


img687.imageshack.us
Ornithology you say?

/proper threadjack
 
2013-04-07 07:20:50 PM  

sheep snorter: Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.



It's generally a bad sign when people refer to a particular opinion or political position as "the truth."

And the asserting preëmptively that anyone who disagrees with you is is ignorant and "retarded" for bonus points.  That's classy.
 
2013-04-07 07:21:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.



To me, the most puzzling part about the Holocaust is no one seems to have any idea why the Germans and the Jews might have had animosity toward one another.

/Crazy
 
2013-04-07 07:21:55 PM  

ciberido: That's classy.


This whole thread is classy.
 
2013-04-07 07:25:50 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

[i560.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Congratulations! I think that's the most straw men I've ever seen in one small box.



I think that was one of those Poe's Law kind of situations where I can't be sure whether Uncle Tractor was trying to say, "Look how stupid these people are" or "Look how stupid I am."
 
2013-04-07 07:26:16 PM  

owlie: Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.


Mmmm...hmmmm....

You sure seem to know a lot about what the Palestinians "really" want, don't ya champ?  Meanwhile, we can see through the actions of the Israeli government EXACTLY what they want, which is the complete subjugation and control of any Palestinian people living with "their" borders.

Terrorist came from your neighborhood?  Sorry pal, but we're bulldozing your home.
Want to come work for higher wages outside the concentration zone?  Fine, stand in this line and be harassed and humiliated for a few hours.
Want to live freely in your own homeland?  Sorry buddy, that's a right we only reserve for our OWN people.  You're not worthy.
By the way, meet your new neighbors...they're going to be living in what used to be your family's olive grove...and they hate you.  Enjoy that.
 
2013-04-07 07:26:29 PM  
Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?
 
2013-04-07 07:26:36 PM  

super_grass: liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...

The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.


I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.
 
2013-04-07 07:28:16 PM  

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.


You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East? Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?
 
2013-04-07 07:29:32 PM  

proteus_b: sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.

This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...



I happened to notice that sheep snorter used the phrases "Israel" and "Palestine and its people", and that in your response you chose (repeatedly) to use the words "Jews" and "Arabs".

Why is that, proteus_b?
 
2013-04-07 07:30:33 PM  
Anyone can do anything in the name of Anonymous. That's why it's called Anonymous. Moving beyond that I think we can all agree that both Israel and Palestine act like total dicks but one side is launching homemade rockets while the other is using the latest military technology they can get from the U.S. It's not a fair fight and Israels settlement expansions are just a big fark you to the peace process. Who gives a shiat if some imaginary guy in a book said you could have this land. THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE THERE!
 
2013-04-07 07:30:42 PM  
This is all too confusing.

Yom haShoah is observed on many different days in different countries.  Wikipedia sez that the Holocaust observance in Israel is really near December since the month closest to April is not supposed to have sadness commemorated.   In fact it may be difficult to find one local memorial service.

Westboro Baptist is basically a professional troll law firm going after damages against over-reactors for money.  Anonymous could probably drain entire banking industries very quickly if money were the motive.

According to Wikipedia, the day celebrates the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is right up there with the Alamo and all those other group heroic efforts against an overwhelming deadly force.

DailyFail is really just a picture book.
 
2013-04-07 07:30:46 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East? Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?


Well gorsh...in that case, carry on.  Lord knows that if they're better than a murderous and hateful dictatorship, they must be perfect!  Let's leave well enough alone!
 
2013-04-07 07:32:13 PM  

bostonguy: Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?


If it actually did stop, they'd fake some more things.

Not to single them out as the only country that would do that, though. It's a pretty common practice these days.
 
2013-04-07 07:32:30 PM  

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?



Since about 1881.

If you want to talk about bigotry against Arabs or other Semitic peoples, I'm afraid you're stuck with the more general term "racism."
 
2013-04-07 07:32:57 PM  

flamingboard: It's not a fair fight


Is that a problem though? I don't support any side of that whole clusterfark, but I know that if Hamas had attack helicopters, tanks and F15s things would go from bad to Armageddony real quick.
 
2013-04-07 07:33:01 PM  

Amos Quito: proteus_b: sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.

This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...


I happened to notice that sheep snorter used the phrases "Israel" and "Palestine and its people", and that in your response you chose (repeatedly) to use the words "Jews" and "Arabs".

Why is that, proteus_b?


Because geography is a lot harder when the term "Arab" is applied only to people with ancestry from the Arabian peninsula rather than as a generalized term for darkies.
 
2013-04-07 07:38:41 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-07 07:39:05 PM  

reaperducer: The worst part about Israel is the way the Israelis are always strapping explosives to themselves and running into peaceful Arab cafes and blowing all the innocent Arabs to smithereens.

Oh wait...


You're right.  They prefer missiles and tanks these days.
 
2013-04-07 07:40:10 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.


You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.
 
2013-04-07 07:40:16 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: you are a puppet: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla

I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.

I like the word "pedantic". It allows you to pick one word from a post and focus on that instead of actually addressing the content.

"You seem pedantic, which I suspect is a cover for your lack of a solid argument"

You tell me - why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy? What possible point of freedom, liberty or independence for the people of Gaza is expressed in that statement except for attacking (they assume) Jews on the point of their Judaism?


Perhaps it has to do with the blockading of Gaza and the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.
I know, I know, it's outside agitators..it always is.

If you wish to know why they threw out that insult, perhaps you should look within.

It's sorta like the ignorant patriotic FARK Independenttm in America continue to insist that they hate us for our freedoms....
 
2013-04-07 07:40:52 PM  

proteus_b: detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.

Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".



Ah yes, here we are again. "YOU DID BAD SHIAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK ABOUT THE BAD SHIIAT WE'RE DOING TODAY - AND PLANNING FOR TOMORROW! NEYH!"

Well, tell you what, bubs, I've read the Torah - and the list of cruel, heartless wanton GENOCIDES proudly committed by the Jews against their neighbors is endless.

If today's atrocities are justified by yesterday's atrocities, Israel is long overdue for a shiat storm, pal.
 
2013-04-07 07:42:20 PM  
And I thought Fark was going soft.
 
2013-04-07 07:43:31 PM  
But jewish seagulls, amirite?
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-07 07:43:38 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.

You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.


Like Madagascar?
 
2013-04-07 07:43:44 PM  

Richard C Stanford: You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.


The fitting place for Israel would have been to slice out a nice portion of Germany, preferably in a nice portion of the South of the country, as punishment for the NAZI atrocities in WWII.  The entire world could get behind that without much difficulty, as it would be seen as fitting for what was allowed to happen.
 
2013-04-07 07:45:14 PM  

bostonguy: Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?


I believe that.

Imagine if the Israeli arms industry turned to consumer products with manufacturing in Gaza They should be like a Singapore or Hong Kong.
 
2013-04-07 07:49:10 PM  

liam76: super_grass: liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...

The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.

I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.


Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air. It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.
 
2013-04-07 07:49:35 PM  

miss diminutive: flamingboard: It's not a fair fight

Is that a problem though? I don't support any side of that whole clusterfark, but I know that if Hamas had attack helicopters, tanks and F15s things would go from bad to Armageddony real quick.


Not my point. My point was that they would rather use their military muscle instead of actually trying for a two state peace plan. Also, a lot of conservatives would love if the middle east went all Armageddony because then Jesus could come back.
 
2013-04-07 07:51:33 PM  

Richard C Stanford: So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck?


God gave them that land and it would make Jesus cry if they left.
 
2013-04-07 07:51:37 PM  

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.


I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.
 
2013-04-07 07:51:47 PM  

SubBass49: owlie: Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.

Mmmm...hmmmm....

You sure seem to know a lot about what the Palestinians "really" want, don't ya champ?  Meanwhile, we can see through the actions of the Israeli government EXACTLY what they want, which is the complete subjugation and control of any Palestinian people living with "their" borders.

Terrorist came from your neighborhood?  Sorry pal, but we're bulldozing your home.
Want to come work for higher wages outside the concentration zone?  Fine, stand in this line and be harassed and humiliated for a few hours.
Want to live freely in your own homeland?  Sorry buddy, that's a right we only reserve for our OWN people.  You're not worthy.
By the way, meet your new neighbors...they're going to be living in what used to be your family's olive grove...and they hate you.  Enjoy that.


Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.
 
2013-04-07 07:55:05 PM  

PaLarkin: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.


Why does pointing out what one side does automatically make you support the other side?
 
2013-04-07 07:55:35 PM  

super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air.
It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.


There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?
 
2013-04-07 07:55:49 PM  

flamingboard: Also, a lot of conservatives would love if the middle east went all Armageddony because then Jesus could come back.


I've written about the dominionists here before, they aren't just "hoping" for Armageddon, they're actually trying hard to use America to bring it about.

Also, too...I seriously wish Jesus would come back.
It's my belief he'd rapture many of the LGBT folks, inner city poor, over-punched hippies and food bank volunteers and leave all the bigots, neocon war mongers and religious nuts to fight it out.
 
2013-04-07 07:57:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Whelp, this thread is pretty much irredeemable...

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Yup. I'm out.

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2013-04-07 07:58:13 PM  

PaLarkin: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.


I believe you are referring to the Wahabbist Sunni, the Shia and Sufi are pretty much not into terrorism. Although the Shia are certainly prone to retaliation.

/the more you know!
 
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