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2013-04-07 05:20:18 PM  
Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit
 
2013-04-07 05:20:59 PM  
Meh, after the World War 3 starts because of North Korea it's not going to matter that much anyway.
 
2013-04-07 05:22:45 PM  
So, have they done anything worthwhile yet?
 
2013-04-07 05:22:53 PM  
It's true cuz anyone to the left of Bennett is pro-terrorist and anti-semitic.
 
2013-04-07 05:23:08 PM  
Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...
 
2013-04-07 05:23:29 PM  
I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.
 
2013-04-07 05:23:31 PM  
Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.
 
2013-04-07 05:23:33 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.
 
2013-04-07 05:25:17 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


Indeed. And like I've said many times before, Israeli Apartheid Week has done more to promote and popularise anti-semitism than any cultural phenomenon since the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
 
2013-04-07 05:25:39 PM  
I guess they didn't want us to think they were going soft.
 
2013-04-07 05:27:39 PM  
Maybe they should put together a team of mossad agents to track them down and kill them? And for good measure they can kill a random waiter, ensuring a good harvest
 
2013-04-07 05:27:42 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-04-07 05:28:03 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-07 05:28:04 PM  
Quick how many people has Westboro Baptist killed in their homes, arrested without probable cause, or cost the US government to the nearest $ billion?

None of that has anything to do with hating "the Jews." It has everything to do with hating the Israeli government and the fact my taxes help to prop it up.

Daily Fail has figured out how to get page views though, trolling dumbfks. Maybe Westboro and Daily Fail have more in common.
 
2013-04-07 05:28:12 PM  
Or its a false flag by western intelligence to drum up hatred for anon.

/nothing would surprise me
 
2013-04-07 05:28:40 PM  
That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.
 
2013-04-07 05:29:33 PM  

friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...


Meh. Even if true it doesn't mean anything. It's Anonymous we're talking about here, an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.
 
2013-04-07 05:29:34 PM  
So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.
 
2013-04-07 05:30:15 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


This.
 
2013-04-07 05:30:44 PM  
OH NO, OH GOD...

Anon attacked jews?

OH GOD, THOSE MONSTERS. It was alright when it was mormons, scientology, right wing political groups, corporations, and anyone else under the sun.

BUT JEWS? TO FAR! The jews are innocent little blessed chosen people of god! They don't deserve it! After all, it would take them doing something seriously wrong like creating ghettos for another group of people while trying to wield the united states like a great Goy house slave to do its bidding and stir up perpetual shiat in the middle east for them to deserve the attention of anon..

And we all know the jews are nothing but beneficial to the world, even when they become an isolationist racial/theocratic state and constantly stir up shiat.

THE JEWS ARE OFF LIMITS, SO SAYS THE JEWS.
 
2013-04-07 05:30:52 PM  

austin_millbarge: Or its a false flag by western intelligence to drum up hatred for anon.

/nothing would surprise me


yeah about this.
 
2013-04-07 05:31:21 PM  

you are a puppet: Maybe they should put together a team of mossad agents to track them down and kill them? And for good measure they can kill a random waiter, ensuring a good harvest


/what you meant?
 
2013-04-07 05:31:59 PM  

austin_millbarge: Or its a false flag by western intelligence to drum up hatred for anon.

/nothing would surprise me


Well, that's certainly possible, but what people in the media can't seem to comprehend is that anon is not a hierarchical organization.  Hell it's not even an organization.  It's quite possible that a bunch of desensitized tards who grew up looking at orgrish.com would think this was a fun thing to do.
 
2013-04-07 05:32:00 PM  

Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

[i560.photobucket.com image 640x480]


I can't possible be anti-semitic.  I bought matzos at the grocery store last month.
 
2013-04-07 05:32:23 PM  

Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.


Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla
 
2013-04-07 05:34:01 PM  
Actually, it seems kinda appropriate to me. What better day to protest the Isreali holocaust of Palestinians (whether it's real, or imagined), than holocaust Memorial Day?
 
2013-04-07 05:34:19 PM  

ZoeNekros: friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...

Meh. Even if true it doesn't mean anything. It's Anonymous we're talking about here, an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.


Both of these. My outrage meter isn't budging.
 
2013-04-07 05:35:48 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla


I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.
 
2013-04-07 05:36:46 PM  
Nearly 20 years ago I had a friend who was Jewish and we chatted a bit. She said in defending her government's actions at that time the following quote, which I still remember quite vividly as we were driving in her car around New Jersey:

"How dare they behave like this after everything we've done for those people" (emphasis mine, but it was in the conversational tone at the time)

"You cannot reason with a Palestinian. They are like animals."

"We have given them everything, and it is not enough for them, they are stupid people. They followed Arafat."

She moved to Israel a few years later, and we have since lost touch. Those words though.. "those people." If her views (and she was a very liberal, educated scientist, employed, the works) .. if her views were at all typical... This is never going to be resolved peacefully. It isn't being.
 
2013-04-07 05:38:11 PM  

ZoeNekros: an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.


lewismarktwo: Well, that's certainly possible, but what people in the media can't seem to comprehend is that anon is not a hierarchical organization.  Hell it's not even an organization.


Precisely.
 
2013-04-07 05:39:20 PM  

GreenAdder: ZoeNekros: an amorphous group with no defined agenda or ideals. Moreover, of people who call themselves "Anonymous", those who would do this are outliers.

lewismarktwo: Well, that's certainly possible, but what people in the media can't seem to comprehend is that anon is not a hierarchical organization.  Hell it's not even an organization.

Precisely.


Yeah, but THE HACKER GROUP KNOWN AS ANONYMOUS is so much more of a sexy evil villain outfit than "some guy that is using the name Anonymous and wearing a downloaded Guy Fawkes mask while uploading his youtube video through 7 proxies"
 
2013-04-07 05:40:13 PM  

you are a puppet: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla

I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.


I like the word "pedantic". It allows you to pick one word from a post and focus on that instead of actually addressing the content.

"You seem pedantic, which I suspect is a cover for your lack of a solid argument"

You tell me - why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy? What possible point of freedom, liberty or independence for the people of Gaza is expressed in that statement except for attacking (they assume) Jews on the point of their Judaism?
 
2013-04-07 05:42:07 PM  
Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.
 
2013-04-07 05:42:22 PM  

leonel: I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.


Difficulty: the penis-wrinkles at AIPAC and the human garbage in the New American Century group would have people believe that any person who does not give a free pass to any and all actions taken by the Israeli government is by definition a goose-stepping, Hitler-worshiping anti-semite. Likewise, anybody who does not agree with the idea that all the trouble in the Middle East is the fault of the Palestinians and that the Israelis are wholly and entirely blameless is a Neo-Nazi who wants to carve a hundred swastikas onto each and every synagogue in America.

Difficulty #2: there's enough of them in Congress and throughout America that it'll take decades for those ideas to get out of the collective public consciousness.

/see also the political cartoon posted above by Uncle Tractor
 
2013-04-07 05:44:04 PM  
BTW...this would be a pretty nifty PsyOps operation to discredit Anonymous and turn public opinion against them...good thing Israel is never known to pay covert operatives and PsyOps experts to discredit their ideological opponents or anything...cuz that'd be turrible...turrible I tell ya...
 
2013-04-07 05:47:14 PM  
I'll just place this here...

Israeli Soldier, Yonotan Shapira, Speaks Out against Israel War Crimes (BBC)

I try not take sides on the Israeli Palestinian issue. I find myself looking at the matter as objectively as possible because of my background.  There are times I find myself defending Israel, and other times I find myself sympathizing with the Palestinians.

But one thing I'm certain of, there is extreme bias in the MSM; be it the click-whoring tactics of the Daily Mail Fail or the baloney served by the World News Daily Deli.
 
2013-04-07 05:47:59 PM  
I'm not seeing the antisemitism here.
Poorly timed? perhaps. But they're hacking the websites of a government that's done some really shiatty things as of late. If you wanna call that antisemitism, then I gotta say, you're over-playing that card just a wee bit.
 
2013-04-07 05:50:53 PM  
stay classy, Jew-baiters.

(show me ONE instance where the folks who like to whine about Palestinians have ever given a rat's ass about Palestinian rights in Lebanon... in Syria where they have been literally being used as cannon fodder... in Egypt where the roads from Gaza are mined... and I'll show you a hallucination because it simply does not happen. Nobody cares, not really; but it sure is jolly fun times to make hysterical accusations of war crimes against tiny, embattled Israel - where rockets are literally landing in the north AND the south now.)

fark you, you know who you are.
 
2013-04-07 05:50:59 PM  
Next remind them the Wailing Wall isn't theirs and it has no connection to Judaism.
 
2013-04-07 05:51:48 PM  
The Jews are the Chosen People.

Deal with it.
 
2013-04-07 05:52:03 PM  

Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

[i560.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Congratulations! I think that's the most straw men I've ever seen in one small box.
 
2013-04-07 05:52:28 PM  

fatcurlytoes: stay classy, Jew-baiters.

(show me ONE instance where the folks who like to whine about Palestinians have ever given a rat's ass about Palestinian rights in Lebanon... in Syria where they have been literally being used as cannon fodder... in Egypt where the roads from Gaza are mined... and I'll show you a hallucination because it simply does not happen. Nobody cares, not really; but it sure is jolly fun times to make hysterical accusations of war crimes against tiny, embattled Israel - where rockets are literally landing in the north AND the south now.)

fark you, you know who you are.


I'm glad you are so publicly foolish. It's simple, clear and removes the need to think about you more than absolutely necessary.
 
2013-04-07 05:53:56 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: I'm not seeing the antisemitism here.
Poorly timed? perhaps. But they're hacking the websites of a government that's done some really shiatty things as of late. If you wanna call that antisemitism, then I gotta say, you're over-playing that card just a wee bit.


Like I said, according to them even an iota of discontent with Israel is tantamount to trying to create a Fourth Reich.

/guy with a Guy Fawkes jpeg takes down poster put up by the Israeli government
 
2013-04-07 05:55:33 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: you are a puppet: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla

I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.

I like the word "pedantic". It allows you to pick one word from a post and focus on that instead of actually addressing the content.

"You seem pedantic, which I suspect is a cover for your lack of a solid argument"

You tell me - why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy? What possible point of freedom, liberty or independence for the people of Gaza is expressed in that statement except for attacking (they assume) Jews on the point of their Judaism?


It seems like you picked one event and focused on that and then used it to describe 'pro Palestinian /antizionist folks' as a whole.

"That's pedantic, which sounds like pedophiliac, which is what you seem to be"
 
2013-04-07 05:56:33 PM  
iron lion zion
 
2013-04-07 05:56:36 PM  

Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.


But black folks still use slavery to this day...
 
2013-04-07 05:56:59 PM  

letrole: The Jews are the Chosen People.

Deal with it.


The meek shall inherit the Earth. That's gotta be Iceland.
 
2013-04-07 05:57:07 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 05:57:58 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy?


Why would a normal person believe they did that?
 
2013-04-07 05:59:44 PM  
"The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.
 
2013-04-07 06:00:24 PM  
When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?  Israel's government is just as anti-semitic and racist towards Arabs and Blacks.  I'm convinced they are the 21st century moral equivalent of Nazis.  And, just like the US warmly embraced Hitler and the Nazi party pre-WWII, look where we are, supporting a state guilty of doing the same shiat we fought against.

Yet it's OK if Israel creates Stuxnet which has done an incredible amount of damage yet "woe is them" if they get a taste of the shiat they dished out? 

Israel is a terrorist state that needs to be overthrown, and Netanyahu should meet the same fate as Saddam. If there were a US war against Israel I'd enlist tomorrow.
 
2013-04-07 06:00:53 PM  
Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.
 
2013-04-07 06:04:08 PM  

sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.


When the government supports your actions you are a privateer and not a pirate.

/אררר
 
2013-04-07 06:06:38 PM  

you are a puppet: It seems like you picked one event and focused on that and then used it to describe 'pro Palestinian /antizionist folks' as a whole.


One event?

You live in fantasy land.

Google:  Greta Berlin Holocaust Denial

She's a leader in the movement.  The rest of the movement tripped all over themselves to dismiss the reality of her "ooops I showed my true thoughts" moment.  The few (mostly actual Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank) who slammed her and said her brand of European Jew hating had no place in the Anti-Zionist movement were criticized and told that they were hurting their cause by showing cracks in what should be portrayed as a united front.

I'm hardly a likudlik.  I'm a strong supporter of a two-state solution.  I think the Israeli hardliners (especially the ones led by voices from god) are farkin' whackjobs.  What does all this have to do with the holocaust and my relatives being slaughtered?  NOTHING.  So why do the anti-israeli peeps keep bringing it up?  Because they know it hurts.  And since i"m not a hard-core "river to the sea" supporter of their cause they don't care that it hurts me.  They don't care who they hurt.  As I said...there seems to almost be an element of glee in it sometimes.

In the long-term, however, it hurts their own cause to focus on Judaism and the pains of the 1940s instead of on freedom for the Palestinians.
 
2013-04-07 06:06:40 PM  

Lee451: Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.


So if I were a Native American and I'm going to take my land back from you, bulldoze your house and rape/murder/jail your family, you had better not ever say you wish to wipe Natives off the face of the earth or that'd make you a giant farking hypocrite.
 
2013-04-07 06:09:36 PM  

GreenAdder: That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.


i141.photobucket.com

Came in to say that myself. Anonymous is not a specific group of people. It's whoever is anonymous at the moment. Their are many different anonymous and they don't all agree with one another. And there is no "leadership" of anonymous. It's an amorphous group of whoever. More of a concept then a club.
 
2013-04-07 06:10:09 PM  

sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.


This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...
 
2013-04-07 06:10:56 PM  

jaytkay: Bill_Wick's_Friend: why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy?

Why would a normal person believe they did that?


As a contrast and comparison, Archer said "Meowschwitz" when he saw how Tunt treated her Ocelot.  Who was well fed.  And didn't undergo medical experiments.  That we know of.  But she did restrict him to an increasing small space in her house and didn't give him anything to play with.  How could a normal person do that to their ocelet?

Now imagine that ocelot is occupying a portion of territory that you consider "your God given country".  Which God gave to you.  Because he totally did.  No matter how much you love that cat, it will have to go.  Because it's making the whole house smell like ocelot piss.
 
2013-04-07 06:11:19 PM  
When the government supports your actions you are a privateer and not a pirate.

/אררר

for those who don't understand this, this is pretty funny, the characters next to the slash is...lets just say they are a pirate's favorite letter.
 
2013-04-07 06:12:16 PM  

mongbiohazard: GreenAdder: That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.

Came in to say that myself. Anonymous is not a specific group of people. It's whoever is anonymous at the moment. Their are many different anonymous and they don't all agree with one another. And there is no "leadership" of anonymous. It's an amorphous group of whoever. More of a concept then a club.


Why have a specific name for it then?
 
2013-04-07 06:12:27 PM  
Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.
 
2013-04-07 06:13:42 PM  
One person's Terrorist  is another person's Freedom Fighter


/stop playing the victim
//stop building illegal settlement
///Stop denying the Palestinian's a home state
 
2013-04-07 06:13:51 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mongbiohazard: GreenAdder: That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."

This means the anons who protested WBC and Scientology might not be the same anons hacking Israeli websites. Or maybe some of them are. I honestly don't know.

Whenever I see Anonymous referred to as a "group," I see a reporter who doesn't understand the concept.

Came in to say that myself. Anonymous is not a specific group of people. It's whoever is anonymous at the moment. Their are many different anonymous and they don't all agree with one another. And there is no "leadership" of anonymous. It's an amorphous group of whoever. More of a concept then a club.

Why have a specific name for it then?


Because the idea of structure lends power.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:14 PM  
From the very first line:

The global hacking group Anonymous launched a cyber attack against Israeli government websites in a web protest on the country's annual Holocaust memorial day.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:31 PM  
We should all sit around and cry over the plight of the poor innocent peace loving Israelis.

Anyone who doesn't is obviously a racist and an anti-Semite.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:55 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why have a specific name for it then?


ReverendJynxed: Because the idea of structure lends power


Right. It's kind of like creating an Internet bogeyman. "Don't censor the Internet," parents will tell their kids as they put them to bed, "or Anonymous will get you."
 
2013-04-07 06:16:21 PM  
The hack could be one 15 year old from his basement.
 
2013-04-07 06:16:49 PM  

proteus_b: Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you)


It seems to matter to you to justify your bloodlust.

proteus_b: At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds,


It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years.  Your argument is ridiculous.
 
2013-04-07 06:16:52 PM  
mypetjawa.mu.nu
 
2013-04-07 06:21:56 PM  
Some folks in Gaza celebrated Holocaust Memorial Day in their customary manner: By firing a few rockets into southern Israel.
 
2013-04-07 06:23:54 PM  

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?


The word was coined by a German jew-hater who felt that the noun "Judenhaas" wasn't genteel enough to be used by sophisticated German jew-hating society types.   In spite of the fact that it contains the root word "semite", it has always meant "jew hating".

(also a seagull on lake michigan is still a seagull even though it's 2000 miles from the sea)
(also the democratic people's republic of korea isn't really a democracy)

/the more you know
 
2013-04-07 06:25:30 PM  
So does "holocaust memorial day" celebrate all holocausts or just the Nazi one? If so, does it commemorate the millions of Slavs, socialists, gypsies, mentally ill, gay and disabled people who were murdered? Nope, just the Jews.
 
2013-04-07 06:26:15 PM  

leonel: I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.


NO! If you take one, you MUST take the other! No exceptions! If you don't back Israel 100%, you're a Hitler-loving skinhead anti-Semite!
 
2013-04-07 06:26:17 PM  

detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.


Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".
 
2013-04-07 06:30:03 PM  

sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa)


Actually, Hitler and the Nazis spent a LOT of resources staying on the good side of the Arab world for some reason (probably the same reason we're buddy-buddy...ish with Saudi Arabia: oil), to the point that they were careful to not use the term "semite" and its derivatives.  Sending the Jews to ANYWHERE Africa (except maybe southern Africa, but IIRC that was an Allies territory) would've pissed off the Muslims, so they wouldn't have done that.
 
2013-04-07 06:31:00 PM  

letrole: [mypetjawa.mu.nu image 438x310]


www.dangerouscreation.com
 
2013-04-07 06:34:34 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.


Stormfront is that way ----------->
 
2013-04-07 06:34:53 PM  
p.twimg.com
Jewish settlers confront an elderly Palestinian as she
is evicted from her home
 
2013-04-07 06:35:44 PM  

friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...


Kosher salt?
 
2013-04-07 06:37:10 PM  

Lehk: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.

Stormfront is that way ----------->


Cute
 
2013-04-07 06:44:25 PM  
The worst part about Israel is the way the Israelis are always strapping explosives to themselves and running into peaceful Arab cafes and blowing all the innocent Arabs to smithereens.

Oh wait...
 
2013-04-07 06:44:40 PM  

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.



You are a douchebag.

The 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis didn't do anything to destabilize the Middle East.

Pick a different day to protest.
 
2013-04-07 06:44:56 PM  

SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.


While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.
 
2013-04-07 06:47:19 PM  

jaytkay: [p.twimg.com image 480x328]
Jewish settlers confront an elderly Palestinian as she
is evicted from her home


Looks more like Brooklyn when somebody's grandmother asked him to take out the trash.

Meanwhile, in Gaza, Hamas is having men arrested and beaten for "immodest haircuts" and baggy pants.
 
2013-04-07 06:50:30 PM  

sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).


Wow.
 
2013-04-07 06:50:40 PM  

SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.


What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term
 
2013-04-07 06:50:43 PM  
You know who ELSE liked to hack Jews?
 
2013-04-07 06:51:23 PM  
Whelp, this thread is pretty much irredeemable...

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-04-07 06:52:35 PM  
Could be some college kids getting some lulz.
Could be psyops by Mossad.
Could be subversion by Stormfront types.

That's the thing about Anonymous. They're, well, Anonymous. Until they're busted.

Meanwhile, everyone still has their sides, so I'll abandon the thread to the tribe war already in progress.
 
2013-04-07 06:52:38 PM  

leonel: I think they're specifically targeting Israel the government, not Jews themselves.


The Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial was among those targeted
 
2013-04-07 06:52:46 PM  
Do you recognize the right of a Jewish state to exist in some capacity in the Middle East?

Congratulations, you're a Zionist. The above statement is all that "Zionism" means. I'd say 90% of the world -- even Farkers -- are Zionists.

Of course, there is a spectrum within Zionism. Some nationalist right-wing Israelis (religious or not) want all of the land "from the river to the sea," and various left-wing Israelis (religious or now) want a two-state agreement based on the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan. And there are Zionists all in between and more.

So, please, don't equate "Zionist" with some "right-wing, Likudnik" conspiracy to use the banks and the media to commit genocide. The word does not mean what you probably think it means. There is an ongoing debate even here in Israel.

/American Israeli in Tel Aviv
//Watched Holocaust Remembrance Day on TV
 
2013-04-07 06:53:58 PM  

Kriggerel: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Indeed. And like I've said many times before, Israeli Apartheid Week has done more to promote and popularise anti-semitism than any cultural phenomenon since the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.



Zionist apartheid practices cause anti-Semitism?

That must really piss the non-Zionist Jews off.
 
2013-04-07 06:55:13 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: (also a seagull on lake michigan is still a seagull even though it's 2000 miles from the sea)


Actually, no, it isn't. Neither is the same bird flying over the ocean. If you check a field guide to birds, you'll see that there no such thing as a "seagull". You'll see entries for herring gulls, ring-billed gulls, laughing gulls, black-backed gulls, and dozens of other species of gulls, but no "seagulls". It's a colloquial word for anything that looks like a gull, tern, etc., and has no more real meaning than "critter".

/why yes, I am a bird geek
//not the snooty kind though
///they are their own well-deserved punishment
 
2013-04-07 06:57:34 PM  
Both of the two Israeli Jews I have met emigrated to Canada due to the actions of the Iraeli government. The majority of non-Israeli Jews I have met don't support Israel, some even openly expressing their embarrassment that Judaism even has a connection to the Israeli government.
 
2013-04-07 06:59:11 PM  

austin_millbarge: Or its a false flag by western intelligence to drum up hatred for anon.



If so, it would also drum up sympathy for the Zionist State - so it would be a two-fer!
 
2013-04-07 06:59:45 PM  

xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.


I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.
 
2013-04-07 07:01:18 PM  

Hongcouver: Both of the two Israeli Jews I have met emigrated to Canada due to the actions of the Iraeli government. The majority of non-Israeli Jews I have met don't support Israel, some even openly expressing their embarrassment that Judaism even has a connection to the Israeli government.


No offense, but that's not a representative sample on which to base anything.

Still, people (rightly or wrongly) form opinions based on the information at hand. If I meet only two Indians (dot, not feather, sorry) in my entire life, then my perception of India will be comprised primarily of my interaction with them.

I could introduce you to 2,000 Israeli Jews (or American Jews) who would disagree with the ones you met. Israel is like the United States -- a 52% to 48% divide or thereabouts.

/Just saying...
 
2013-04-07 07:01:23 PM  
The two sides are Israel and a group of people who want them dead at any price and will never, ever, accept peace. Hamas will never under any circumstance accept anything short of the complete destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew in it. When the position is "we're going to kill every single solitary one of you and will stop at absolutely nothing to do it" where do you begin the process? Does it start with something like "Could you maybe only kill 80% of us?"

There is no concession Israel can make that would satisfy them. Wave around the '1967' border all you want and if Israel gave up completely on that point all that it would accomplish is giving people new places to fire rockets from... Just like what happened when Israel left Gaza. What did that accomplish? The Palestinians put Hamas in charge and celebrated with new rocket attacks. It is not in the interest of Israel for this to continue but it is in the interest of Israel's enemies that it continues, which is why it does continue.
 
2013-04-07 07:04:14 PM  

GreenAdder: That's the thing about Anonymous. It isn't a singular group.

"Anonymous" is a name that any person or group can adopt when it suits their needs. Anyone can download a picture of a Guy Fawkes mask. Anyone can engage in "hacktivism" on the Internet and use the name "Anonymous." Anyone with half a brain can make a spooky video with a computerized voice reading a communique "from Anonymous."


Yep.

Even Israelis.
 
2013-04-07 07:04:17 PM  

Worldwalker: Actually, no, it isn't. Neither is the same bird flying over the ocean. If you check a field guide to birds, you'll see that there no such thing as a "seagull". You'll see entries for herring gulls, ring-billed gulls, laughing gulls, black-backed gulls, and dozens of other species of gulls, but no "seagulls". It's a colloquial word for anything that looks like a gull, tern, etc., and has no more real meaning than "critter"


I had no idea.  I've lived on the shores of the great lakes and on the Pacific Ocean and I've seen the Atlantic from both sides. It never occurred to me that the gulls here and the gulls there were not the same species of garbage-eating filthy-feathered rat birds. I appreciate the correction.  I like the idea of being able to recognize different gull species as I travel.

/the more I know!
/off to wikipedia and allaboutbirds.org!
/thank you, masked stranger
 
2013-04-07 07:04:22 PM  

SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.


The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?
 
2013-04-07 07:04:48 PM  

zedster: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term


Zionism: Jewish nationalist movement that asserts exclusive rights to the land of Israel without question.  It's methods are colonialist and racist in nature, as they assert the land formerly know as Palestine for an exclusively Jewish-run state.

Does that help?

Zionists do not equal Jews in the same way that Tea Party folks don't equal Americans.
 
2013-04-07 07:05:18 PM  

SubBass49: zedster: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

What do you think Zionist means? like a one or two line definition of the term

Zionism: Jewish nationalist movement that asserts exclusive rights to the land of Israel without question.  It's methods are colonialist and racist in nature, as they assert the land formerly know as Palestine for an exclusively Jewish-run state.

Does that help?

Zionists do not equal Jews in the same way that Tea Party folks don't equal Americans.


It does on fark.
 
2013-04-07 07:06:58 PM  

owlie: SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.

The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?


Israel in my argument is defined as the state of Israel (read: leadership), not the populace.  Sure, there are people within Israel that want a 2-state solution, but the government pushes settlements as political punishment for seeking UN recognition.  Not exactly peace-making moves there, champ.
 
2013-04-07 07:07:01 PM  
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/browse_tax/35/

Guide to gulls, terns and skimmers

/ornithological threadjack
 
2013-04-07 07:08:38 PM  
Whenever one hears "The Jews are being targeted/abused/etc", the first thing to check is if the report is an actual credible report or if it is Likud or some think tank that aligns with Likud playing the victim card/spouting bullshiat.
 
2013-04-07 07:10:42 PM  
James Baldwin once observed that one lens with which to describe German persecution of European Jews was as a "Master Race" and "Chosen People". It's in a book about a serial killer of Black children in Atlanta and examines St. Augustine's definition of Faith.

Is that pin that's just dropped.

I think for a culture to value its own heritage above a nationalistic esteem (and its tax base) is a pretty ancient puzzle. Jesus was a Jew none to happy with Roman rule.

Same as it ever was.
 
2013-04-07 07:11:31 PM  

sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp
with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.


You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...
 
2013-04-07 07:13:10 PM  

liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...


The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.
 
2013-04-07 07:14:52 PM  

SubBass49: owlie: SubBass49: xen0blue: SubBass49: Zionists =/= Jews

Some Jews = Zionists
Some Jews =/= Zionists

Zionists suck.

Jews that are not Zionists are usually pretty cool (though open to random assholes just like any other ethnic group on the face of the earth)

Anonymous seems to dislike Zionists, not Jews.

While you are correct, you are a douche for calling people who believe israel has the right to exist "suck"-y.

I fully believe that Israel has a right to exist.  I also fully believe that in existing where and how it does today, it tramples on the rights of the Palestinian people.  If Israel and the Palestinians can find a peaceful middle ground and establish two states that allow each other to exist without violence and evil perpetrated towards each other, then I have ZERO problem with either group.  As it stands right now, Israel happens to bear most of the responsibility for fixing this issue, yet they refuse and provoke at every turn.

The majority of Israelis support a two state solution. The majority of Palestinians do not. Care to rephrase?

Israel in my argument is defined as the state of Israel (read: leadership), not the populace.  Sure, there are people within Israel that want a 2-state solution, but the government pushes settlements as political punishment for seeking UN recognition.  Not exactly peace-making moves there, champ.


Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.
 
2013-04-07 07:15:22 PM  
Anonymous will always be attacked and ridiculed by the media just as "Occupy" was attacked and ridiculed by the media. Go against the "powers that be" and you'll be attacked and ridiculed too. AND most people will always fall for the propaganda. But, that's alright. Go back to eating your GMO food now.
 
2013-04-07 07:15:30 PM  
Anything that screws up the israelis is fine with me since the are the world's greatest terrorist organization
 
2013-04-07 07:16:43 PM  

detritus: Lee451: Considering that a number of Palestinians and their leaders have vowed to "wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth", I have to side with Israel on this one.

So if I were a Native American and I'm going to take my land back from you, bulldoze your house and rape/murder/jail your family, you had better not ever say you wish to wipe Natives off the face of the earth or that'd make you a giant farking hypocrite.


I am a Native American (meaning I was born here) and part Powhatan Indian. What is your point?
 
2013-04-07 07:19:43 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/browse_tax/35/

Guide to gulls, terns and skimmers

/ornithological threadjack


img687.imageshack.us
Ornithology you say?

/proper threadjack
 
2013-04-07 07:20:50 PM  

sheep snorter: Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.



It's generally a bad sign when people refer to a particular opinion or political position as "the truth."

And the asserting preëmptively that anyone who disagrees with you is is ignorant and "retarded" for bonus points.  That's classy.
 
2013-04-07 07:21:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The Holocaust" as mass/pop media depict it, is on par with Star Wars as one of the greatest pieces of fiction of the 20th century.



To me, the most puzzling part about the Holocaust is no one seems to have any idea why the Germans and the Jews might have had animosity toward one another.

/Crazy
 
2013-04-07 07:21:55 PM  

ciberido: That's classy.


This whole thread is classy.
 
2013-04-07 07:25:50 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

[i560.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Congratulations! I think that's the most straw men I've ever seen in one small box.



I think that was one of those Poe's Law kind of situations where I can't be sure whether Uncle Tractor was trying to say, "Look how stupid these people are" or "Look how stupid I am."
 
2013-04-07 07:26:16 PM  

owlie: Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.


Mmmm...hmmmm....

You sure seem to know a lot about what the Palestinians "really" want, don't ya champ?  Meanwhile, we can see through the actions of the Israeli government EXACTLY what they want, which is the complete subjugation and control of any Palestinian people living with "their" borders.

Terrorist came from your neighborhood?  Sorry pal, but we're bulldozing your home.
Want to come work for higher wages outside the concentration zone?  Fine, stand in this line and be harassed and humiliated for a few hours.
Want to live freely in your own homeland?  Sorry buddy, that's a right we only reserve for our OWN people.  You're not worthy.
By the way, meet your new neighbors...they're going to be living in what used to be your family's olive grove...and they hate you.  Enjoy that.
 
2013-04-07 07:26:29 PM  
Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?
 
2013-04-07 07:26:36 PM  

super_grass: liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...

The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.


I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.
 
2013-04-07 07:28:16 PM  

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.


You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East? Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?
 
2013-04-07 07:29:32 PM  

proteus_b: sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.

This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...



I happened to notice that sheep snorter used the phrases "Israel" and "Palestine and its people", and that in your response you chose (repeatedly) to use the words "Jews" and "Arabs".

Why is that, proteus_b?
 
2013-04-07 07:30:33 PM  
Anyone can do anything in the name of Anonymous. That's why it's called Anonymous. Moving beyond that I think we can all agree that both Israel and Palestine act like total dicks but one side is launching homemade rockets while the other is using the latest military technology they can get from the U.S. It's not a fair fight and Israels settlement expansions are just a big fark you to the peace process. Who gives a shiat if some imaginary guy in a book said you could have this land. THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE THERE!
 
2013-04-07 07:30:42 PM  
This is all too confusing.

Yom haShoah is observed on many different days in different countries.  Wikipedia sez that the Holocaust observance in Israel is really near December since the month closest to April is not supposed to have sadness commemorated.   In fact it may be difficult to find one local memorial service.

Westboro Baptist is basically a professional troll law firm going after damages against over-reactors for money.  Anonymous could probably drain entire banking industries very quickly if money were the motive.

According to Wikipedia, the day celebrates the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is right up there with the Alamo and all those other group heroic efforts against an overwhelming deadly force.

DailyFail is really just a picture book.
 
2013-04-07 07:30:46 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East? Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?


Well gorsh...in that case, carry on.  Lord knows that if they're better than a murderous and hateful dictatorship, they must be perfect!  Let's leave well enough alone!
 
2013-04-07 07:32:13 PM  

bostonguy: Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?


If it actually did stop, they'd fake some more things.

Not to single them out as the only country that would do that, though. It's a pretty common practice these days.
 
2013-04-07 07:32:30 PM  

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?



Since about 1881.

If you want to talk about bigotry against Arabs or other Semitic peoples, I'm afraid you're stuck with the more general term "racism."
 
2013-04-07 07:32:57 PM  

flamingboard: It's not a fair fight


Is that a problem though? I don't support any side of that whole clusterfark, but I know that if Hamas had attack helicopters, tanks and F15s things would go from bad to Armageddony real quick.
 
2013-04-07 07:33:01 PM  

Amos Quito: proteus_b: sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.

This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...


I happened to notice that sheep snorter used the phrases "Israel" and "Palestine and its people", and that in your response you chose (repeatedly) to use the words "Jews" and "Arabs".

Why is that, proteus_b?


Because geography is a lot harder when the term "Arab" is applied only to people with ancestry from the Arabian peninsula rather than as a generalized term for darkies.
 
2013-04-07 07:38:41 PM  
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2013-04-07 07:39:05 PM  

reaperducer: The worst part about Israel is the way the Israelis are always strapping explosives to themselves and running into peaceful Arab cafes and blowing all the innocent Arabs to smithereens.

Oh wait...


You're right.  They prefer missiles and tanks these days.
 
2013-04-07 07:40:10 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.


You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.
 
2013-04-07 07:40:16 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: you are a puppet: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Lehk: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.

Not really. Not since the 1960s.

Soviet Jews were the rallying force of Zionism in the 70s and 80s. Through the 90s it's been about other Jewish communities as well as portraying itself as a buffer against Islamic fundemantalism in the 21st century. Read the Israeli media. Other than once a year on Holocaust Memorial Day there really isn't a lot of discussion about the events of the 1940s.

Except from the pro Palestinian / antizionist folks. They seem to relish bringing out their swastikas and ghetto pictures and mockery of 6 million dead Jews and 4 million other subhumans. There sometimes even seems to be a gleeful kinship with the murderers.

"Go back to Auschwitz" - radio message to the Israeli navy from the freegaza flotilla

I love the word 'seem'. It lets you claim anything you want without accountability. You seem like a child rapist.

I like the word "pedantic". It allows you to pick one word from a post and focus on that instead of actually addressing the content.

"You seem pedantic, which I suspect is a cover for your lack of a solid argument"

You tell me - why would freegaza people (NOT antisemites, we are assured!) bring up Auschwitz to the Israeli navy? What possible point of freedom, liberty or independence for the people of Gaza is expressed in that statement except for attacking (they assume) Jews on the point of their Judaism?


Perhaps it has to do with the blockading of Gaza and the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.
I know, I know, it's outside agitators..it always is.

If you wish to know why they threw out that insult, perhaps you should look within.

It's sorta like the ignorant patriotic FARK Independenttm in America continue to insist that they hate us for our freedoms....
 
2013-04-07 07:40:52 PM  

proteus_b: detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.

Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".



Ah yes, here we are again. "YOU DID BAD SHIAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK ABOUT THE BAD SHIIAT WE'RE DOING TODAY - AND PLANNING FOR TOMORROW! NEYH!"

Well, tell you what, bubs, I've read the Torah - and the list of cruel, heartless wanton GENOCIDES proudly committed by the Jews against their neighbors is endless.

If today's atrocities are justified by yesterday's atrocities, Israel is long overdue for a shiat storm, pal.
 
2013-04-07 07:42:20 PM  
And I thought Fark was going soft.
 
2013-04-07 07:43:31 PM  
But jewish seagulls, amirite?
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-07 07:43:38 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.

You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.


Like Madagascar?
 
2013-04-07 07:43:44 PM  

Richard C Stanford: You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.


The fitting place for Israel would have been to slice out a nice portion of Germany, preferably in a nice portion of the South of the country, as punishment for the NAZI atrocities in WWII.  The entire world could get behind that without much difficulty, as it would be seen as fitting for what was allowed to happen.
 
2013-04-07 07:45:14 PM  

bostonguy: Here is my honest question: If Israel would withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with Jordan to allow for the creation of a Palestinian state, who thinks all terrorism, rockets, and attacks on Israel would then stop?


I believe that.

Imagine if the Israeli arms industry turned to consumer products with manufacturing in Gaza They should be like a Singapore or Hong Kong.
 
2013-04-07 07:49:10 PM  

liam76: super_grass: liam76: sheep snorter: So what?

Israel is Hitlers bastard son. Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.
Slaughtering people for their land and setting up a big concentration camp with full permission of the U.S. government(mainly the Republican side).

Israel committed Piracy in International waters and murdered people, yet not a word from the global governments about that crime.

Other countries are very cowardly to speak up against Israels crimes against humanity, but then Israel calls them evil for speaking the truth.

/Oh oh, look here comes them retarded people who don't read factual news and will biatch at this post.

You are a retard.

Literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc has improved for palestenians, yet you are dumb or dishonest enough to compare it to concentration camps...

The same can be said about Tibetans.

That doesn't mean the ChiComs shouldn't clean up their act.

I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.


Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air. It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.
 
2013-04-07 07:49:35 PM  

miss diminutive: flamingboard: It's not a fair fight

Is that a problem though? I don't support any side of that whole clusterfark, but I know that if Hamas had attack helicopters, tanks and F15s things would go from bad to Armageddony real quick.


Not my point. My point was that they would rather use their military muscle instead of actually trying for a two state peace plan. Also, a lot of conservatives would love if the middle east went all Armageddony because then Jesus could come back.
 
2013-04-07 07:51:33 PM  

Richard C Stanford: So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck?


God gave them that land and it would make Jesus cry if they left.
 
2013-04-07 07:51:37 PM  

Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.


I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.
 
2013-04-07 07:51:47 PM  

SubBass49: owlie: Pushing for UN recognition had nothing to do with wanting to sit down and talk about a two-state solution. Israel (or Israeli leadership or whatever you choose to call) is more than happy to have that discussion, but the leadership on the Palestinian side is not interested. The Palestinians are holding out for all or nothing, and until they recognize the legitimacy of Israel (in ANY capacity) and reciprocate in that conversation, all or nothing is all they can reasonably expect.

Mmmm...hmmmm....

You sure seem to know a lot about what the Palestinians "really" want, don't ya champ?  Meanwhile, we can see through the actions of the Israeli government EXACTLY what they want, which is the complete subjugation and control of any Palestinian people living with "their" borders.

Terrorist came from your neighborhood?  Sorry pal, but we're bulldozing your home.
Want to come work for higher wages outside the concentration zone?  Fine, stand in this line and be harassed and humiliated for a few hours.
Want to live freely in your own homeland?  Sorry buddy, that's a right we only reserve for our OWN people.  You're not worthy.
By the way, meet your new neighbors...they're going to be living in what used to be your family's olive grove...and they hate you.  Enjoy that.


Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.
 
2013-04-07 07:55:05 PM  

PaLarkin: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.


Why does pointing out what one side does automatically make you support the other side?
 
2013-04-07 07:55:35 PM  

super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air.
It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.


There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?
 
2013-04-07 07:55:49 PM  

flamingboard: Also, a lot of conservatives would love if the middle east went all Armageddony because then Jesus could come back.


I've written about the dominionists here before, they aren't just "hoping" for Armageddon, they're actually trying hard to use America to bring it about.

Also, too...I seriously wish Jesus would come back.
It's my belief he'd rapture many of the LGBT folks, inner city poor, over-punched hippies and food bank volunteers and leave all the bigots, neocon war mongers and religious nuts to fight it out.
 
2013-04-07 07:57:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Whelp, this thread is pretty much irredeemable...

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Yup. I'm out.

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2013-04-07 07:58:13 PM  

PaLarkin: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

I suppose you believe the moslem terrorists are pure as the wind driven snow and have done nothing to cause harm to anyone.


I believe you are referring to the Wahabbist Sunni, the Shia and Sufi are pretty much not into terrorism. Although the Shia are certainly prone to retaliation.

/the more you know!
 
2013-04-07 07:58:22 PM  
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): The two sides are Israel and a group of people who want them dead at any price and will never, ever, accept peace. Hamas will never under any circumstance accept anything short of the complete destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew in it. When the position is "we're going to kill every single solitary one of you and will stop at absolutely nothing to do it" where do you begin the process? Does it start with something like "Could you maybe only kill 80% of us?"

There is no concession Israel can make that would satisfy them. Wave around the '1967' border all you want and if Israel gave up completely on that point all that it would accomplish is giving people new places to fire rockets from... Just like what happened when Israel left Gaza. What did that accomplish? The Palestinians put Hamas in charge and celebrated with new rocket attacks. It is not in the interest of Israel for this to continue but it is in the interest of Israel's enemies that it continues, which is why it does continue.


So bomb the living schitt out of the Scary Mooselimbs.  That'll larn 'em to support Hamas.
 
2013-04-07 08:00:16 PM  

Richard C Stanford: You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?


1. Why does that stop it from being a destabilizing force?
2. We generally don't consider countries that deny roughly 35% of the people under their control "democracies" these days.


owlie: since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood),


You're in deep denial there, friend.
 
2013-04-07 08:02:44 PM  

proteus_b: detritus: It took 3,000 Americans, .00001% of the US population to justify war with multiple countries that has been going on for 12 years. Your argument is ridiculous.

Yes, America can kill millions and it's somehow acceptable. But if a Jew does it, they are forever damned.

Maybe people who think that anyone who's not a red-blooded indian should be allowed to live in the territory currently occupied by the USA should "eat shiat and die".


Uh we were attacked in part because of our support for Israeli terrorism.
 
2013-04-07 08:04:35 PM  

cptjeff: Richard C Stanford: You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?

1. Why does that stop it from being a destabilizing force?
2. We generally don't consider countries that deny roughly 35% of the people under their control "democracies" these days.


owlie: since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood),

You're in deep denial there, friend.


Show me where terrorists' neighborhoods are being bulldozed as punishment.
 
2013-04-07 08:05:47 PM  

owlie: Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.


Conspiracy theory?  When you segregate a group of people, force them into impoverished ghettos, force them to go through security checkpoints and stand in line for hours, restrict their access to quality health care, take their land and give it to settlers, and deny their right to have a nation of their own, how does that not equal subjugation?  Please explain.

I'm going to guess that you can't.
 
2013-04-07 08:06:13 PM  
Subby must live in his parents' McMansion basement.
 
2013-04-07 08:08:13 PM  

owlie: cptjeff: Richard C Stanford: You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?

1. Why does that stop it from being a destabilizing force?
2. We generally don't consider countries that deny roughly 35% of the people under their control "democracies" these days.


owlie: since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood),

You're in deep denial there, friend.

Show me where terrorists' neighborhoods are being bulldozed as punishment.


Read up, my friend.
 
2013-04-07 08:12:05 PM  

liam76: super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air. It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.

There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?


It was, the U.S. funded Tibetan guerrillas against China. Communist China felt that Tibet would be a launching pad for foreign interests, and rationalize it by pointing out how much the living standards improved under Chinese rule - which is true.
 
2013-04-07 08:12:53 PM  
Lee451:
I am a Native American (meaning I was born here)

Yeah, all the Palestinians were born there too.

and part Powhatan Indian. What is your point?

If the US started blockades and forced all of you to live on designated reservations and prohibited (or required you to seek permission that takes 6+ months) to spend one day at the beach not on "your" land, how would you feel?  If we started taking your reservation land away and claimed it was ours all along, bulldozed your house, etc. and then called you a terrorist for fighting back, how would you feel?  Some of you might fight back when pushed to a breaking point.  Would you be justified in doing so?
 
2013-04-07 08:12:57 PM  
Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.

If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.
 
2013-04-07 08:14:43 PM  

phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.

If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.


Jews are fine.  Israel sucks.
 
2013-04-07 08:16:28 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Amos Quito: proteus_b: sheep snorter: Same things that Hitler did to the Jews(due to not a big enough budget to ship the jewish people to east Africa) , Israeli is doing to whats left of Palestine and its people.

This is why today is Holocaust Memorial Day. Because what Hitler did to the Jews, is not being done to the Arabs. Dozens of thousands of Arabs have been killed by Jews (and most of those were not civilians, if that matters to you) in the course of dozens of years of war. At no point have even one percent of the Arabs been murdered by Jews, let alone two thirds, in a nearly successful attempt to eliminate them all. When you make absurd comparisons like this, it makes it hard to take you seriously. Surely you have reasonable things to say---don't make reasonable people ignore you by making gross misstatements...


I happened to notice that sheep snorter used the phrases "Israel" and "Palestine and its people", and that in your response you chose (repeatedly) to use the words "Jews" and "Arabs".

Why is that, proteus_b?

Because geography is a lot harder when the term "Arab" is applied only to people with ancestry from the Arabian peninsula rather than as a generalized term for darkies.



I suspect that proteus_b Chose to call Palestinians "Arabs" because using the term "Palestinian" works against the Zionist agenda of dehumanizing them and refusing to acknowledge them AS A PEOPLE - which is especially important right now, as the Palestinians are striving for recognition as a State - and if that happens, it'll fark up the Zionists' ongoing policy of relentless oppression and expansion into Palestinian lands (for security purposes only, of course).

And proteus_b  replaced the term "Israel" with "Jews" because Zionists want to implant the idea that ALL Jews ARE Zionists, and Zionists ARE Jews - that the two terms are synonymous. That way they can pull the anti-Semite Card and accuse anyone who criticizes the actions of Israel and/or the Zionist POLITICAL ideology of "wanting to create another Holocaust ".

The word play is subtle psych warfare, isn't it, proteus_b?
 
2013-04-07 08:18:47 PM  

SubBass49: Richard C Stanford: You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.

The fitting place for Israel would have been to slice out a nice portion of Germany, preferably in a nice portion of the South of the country, as punishment for the NAZI atrocities in WWII.



Wouldn't have worked.

The Zionists would never have gone for it.
 
2013-04-07 08:19:17 PM  

noitsnot: Jews are fine.  Israel sucks.


BINGO!
 
2013-04-07 08:19:18 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit



Have you been following the JIDF posts?  Apparently you're either a Zionist or Hitler Reborn.  They are hilarious.
 
2013-04-07 08:21:23 PM  

phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.


If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.


They were just scared you'd put a sheeny curse on them...


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-07 08:23:43 PM  

SubBass49: owlie: cptjeff: Richard C Stanford: You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?

1. Why does that stop it from being a destabilizing force?
2. We generally don't consider countries that deny roughly 35% of the people under their control "democracies" these days.


owlie: since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood),

You're in deep denial there, friend.

Show me where terrorists' neighborhoods are being bulldozed as punishment.

Read up, my friend.


I don't see where it says that neighborhoods have been bulldozed as punishment for terrorists originating from those neighborhoods.

SubBass49: owlie: Sorry, I didn't realize we were in conspiracy theory territory. How would Israelis possibly benefit from "subjugating" Palestinians? I really don't know how to respond to the rest, since it's terrorists' homes that would get bulldozed (not the neighborhood), checkpoints exist to keep terrorists and other ne'er-do-wells out (makes sense to me), many Arab Israelis live within Israel proper and those in the Palestinian territories have their own governments and police and so forth, and the settlements aren't as glamorous as you make them out to be so I won't even go there.

Conspiracy theory?  When you segregate a group of people, force them into impoverished ghettos, force them to go through security checkpoints and stand in line for hours, restrict their access to quality health care, take their land and give it to settlers, and deny their right to have a nation of their own, how does that not equal subjugation?  Please explain.

I'm going to guess that you can't.


How do you figure Israelis are forcing Palestinians to live in impoverished ghettos? Where do you propose they live instead, that would be sustainable especially given their rate of reproduction? And how do you propose reducing checkpoint delays while at the same time safeguarding Israel's national security? How do you figure Palestinians are being denied access to quality health care, when even would-be suicide bombers who have been injured often receive treatment in Israel proper because the treatment offered there is superior, and what responsibility does Israel have to offer health care to Palestinians anyway when they're free to build their own hospitals and receive plenty of foreign aid? What judgment do you pass on Palestinians who have usurped traditionally Jewish land, who have desecrated and destroyed ancient synagogues and monuments on land that was given to them, or on the Israeli government for evacuating Jews from land they have lived on for generations? Moreover, where is your indignation over Jews who were expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where many lived since biblical times? And can you show me where Palestinian leaders have called for a two-state solution and Israel would not sit down with them?
 
2013-04-07 08:24:17 PM  
Zionists have been using the holocaust as a smokescreen to cover their own misdeeds for long enough.


THIS  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^
 
2013-04-07 08:25:44 PM  

fatcurlytoes: stay classy, Jew-baiters.

(show me ONE instance where the folks who like to whine about Palestinians have ever given a rat's ass about Palestinian rights in Lebanon... in Syria where they have been literally being used as cannon fodder... in Egypt where the roads from Gaza are mined... and I'll show you a hallucination because it simply does not happen. Nobody cares, not really; but it sure is jolly fun times to make hysterical accusations of war crimes against tiny, embattled Israel - where rockets are literally landing in the north AND the south now.)

fark you, you know who you are.


My government does not give a green light to illegal actions by these governments.

As many have pointed out, Jewish is not 1-1 with current Israeli Government policy. I'm against Israeli Government policy, because it is anti American interests.

Nice try Israeli government supporter.
 
2013-04-07 08:27:27 PM  

phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have no idea how Israelis have suffered.  Do the Palestinians suffer?  Yes, they do, but I believe that it's a lot of their own doing.

I don't like what Israel has done to the Palestinians, but I like what the Palestinians have done to Israel even less.

If you'd really like to know what Anti-Semitism is, I think you should walk in one of our shoes for a little bit.  Most people keep their racist comments to when they're surrounded by a bunch of people of the same general make up.  I can't tell you how many people have shown their true colours around me, just because they think I'm white and Christian like they are.  Damn... I've even had people try and backpedal out of it when I inform them I'm Jewish. "Oh, I didn't mean YOU".  Yeah.  Sure you didn't.  "Jew down in price is just a term!"  Right.


Bingo.

If Palestinians suffer, "they had it coming."

If Israelis suffer, its because of anti-semitism.

Must be nice when you can cloak war crimes in religious zeal and call it good.
 
2013-04-07 08:38:34 PM  

owlie: Show me where terrorists' neighborhoods are being bulldozed as punishment


In 2006 four Israeli soldiers were killed.

In response Israel destroyed large portions of Beirut.

axisoflogic.com
 
2013-04-07 08:43:36 PM  
Actually, on this particular issue, Anon and the WBC are rather less than a step apart. Both shout antisemitic things to garner attention, without actually meaning them. (Hyperbolic Jew-bashing on 4chan started as mockery of Stormfront, and it's well-known that the Phelpses' public personae are just that.)

/Ctrl+F "Tats"
//0 results
///*Whew*
 
2013-04-07 08:52:29 PM  
phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians,


Actually, I do have some knowledge of the history of the area, but I would certainly be interested in hearing your perspective.

What say we start by discussing why and how all those Jews wound up in Palestine in the first place?

Let's talk about why they migrated there from Europe, Russia, Asia and elsewhere, shall we?

Let's discuss who desperately wanted to move Jews to Palestine - long before it was called "Israel" - and WHY?

Were most Jews anxious to abandon their lives in Europe, Asia etc. and move to pre-Israel Palestine? Why or why not?

How did the Zionists get their hands on the real estate? And how did they manage to build import a population of Jews that was large enough to start a country?

And finally, who financed all this?


/I love history
 
2013-04-07 08:55:33 PM  
Can we all just agree that all religion is farking stupid, and move on? Please?
 
2013-04-07 08:57:22 PM  

owlie: I don't see where it says that neighborhoods have been bulldozed as punishment for terrorists originating from those neighborhoods.


You don't think the home of relatives may be in the same neighborhood?  Interesting.
 
2013-04-07 08:58:13 PM  
Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?  We need to make this thread about guns too.
 
2013-04-07 08:58:34 PM  
Christ, start the genocide already and get on with it.
 
2013-04-07 09:01:35 PM  

noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?  We need to make this thread about guns too.


I dunno, but I'm a vegetarian bicyclist.

People don't mind vegetarians and bicyclists.
 
2013-04-07 09:01:47 PM  
Anonymous is not a specific group of people ....


ohhhhh...  but they are still idiots like Westboro Baptist Church.
 
2013-04-07 09:07:15 PM  
noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?

www.imemc.org

2.bp.blogspot.com

farm5.staticflickr.com

bokertov.typepad.com

alethonews.files.wordpress.com

Concealed carry? Who needs "concealed"?

Only a "terrorist" would want to conceal.
 
2013-04-07 09:09:36 PM  
 How do you figure Israelis are forcing Palestinians to live in impoverished ghettos? Where do you propose they live instead, that would be sustainable especially given their rate of reproduction? And how do you propose reducing checkpoint delays while at the same time safeguarding Israel's national security? How do you figure Palestinians are being denied access to quality health care, when even would-be suicide bombers who have been injured often receive treatment in Israel proper because the treatment offered there is superior, and what responsibility does Israel have to offer health care to Palestinians anyway when they're free to build their own hospitals and receive plenty of foreign aid? What judgment do you pass on Palestinians who have usurped traditionally Jewish land, who have desecrated and destroyed ancient synagogues and monuments on land that was given to them, or on the Israeli government for evacuating Jews from land they have lived on for generations? Moreover, where is your indignation over Jews who were expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where many lived since biblical times? And can you show me where Palestinian leaders have called for a two-state solution and Israel would not sit down with them?
owlie:
How do you figure Israelis are forcing Palestinians to live in impoverished ghettos? Where do you propose they live instead, that would be sustainable especially given their rate of reproduction? And how do you propose reducing checkpoint delays while at the same time safeguarding Israel's national security? How do you figure Palestinians are being denied access to quality health care, when even would-be suicide bombers who have been injured often receive treatment in Israel proper because the treatment offered there is superior, and what responsibility does Israel have to offer health care to Palestinians anyway when they're free to build their own hospitals and receive plenty of foreign aid? What judgment do you pass on Palestinians who have usurped traditionally Jewish land, who have desecrated and destroyed ancient synagogues and monuments on land that was given to them, or on the Israeli government for evacuating Jews from land they have lived on for generations? Moreover, where is your indignation over Jews who were expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where many lived since biblical times? And can you show me where Palestinian leaders have called for a two-state solution and Israel would not sit down with them?


1. "Their" rate of reproduction, huh?  Interesting dehumanizing terminology there.  Would you say "they" breed like rats, or rabbits?  Thanks for the insight into your mindset and true opinion of Palestinians.

2. Want to safeguard Israeli citizens?  Treat Palestinians in a manner that reduces their desire to have violent uprisings.  Hard to convince a person who has something to live for that blowing himself up is a good idea.  Yet somehow there seems to be a never-ending supply of young Palestinians who feel that life will never get better.  Wonder why.  A fair Palestinian state will provide more security for Israel than any checkpoint ever will.

3. Sure, Palestinians are free to build their own hospitals.  That's like saying that the residents of Compton are free to build their own hospital.  Should be easy, right?  Just come up with a few hundred million dollars and people that want to live and work in a war zone...simple as that!

4. Are you actually wanting me to feel bad for Israelis that were evacuated from land that just a few generations ago was stolen from Palestinians and HANDED to Israelis, because Palestinians had the nerve to get angry and react?  Just want to know if you're serious.

5. My indignation is tied to the current state of affairs.  If Israelis were being treated as the Palestinians are right now, I'd be angry about that as well.  No human should be forced to endure what the Palestinians are enduring at the present moment in history.  You'd like to imagine that as a people that had historically been mistreated and enslaved, that Zionist Jews would be opposed to treating others in such a manner, but apparently a large portion of the population hasn't come to terms with the irony yet.  Maybe it's akin to the victim of abuse becoming the abuser when they finally are the one in control.
 
2013-04-07 09:13:47 PM  
Gee, when anonymous attacks the 'bad' people that Farkers don't like, they are the good guys.  I keep wondering when the Israelis are going to start implementing the ovens in the Palestinian concentration camps.  Remember when the Nazis put the Jews in concentration camps and everyone thought it was bad.  Boy has the world changed since the early 40's.
 
2013-04-07 09:14:11 PM  
Or an intelligence agency did it and made it look like Anon did in order to turn the public against them
 
2013-04-07 09:15:45 PM  

SubBass49: H

...

I can confidently say I speak for most Farkers when I say "tldnr".

/ tldnr
// Seriosly tldnr
 
2013-04-07 09:18:23 PM  

Amos Quito: noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?

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Concealed carry? Who needs "concealed"?

Only a "terrorist" would want to conceal.



WOW!

I just realized that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the firearms in the pics I posted above is an ASSAULT WEAPON!

Maybe Feinstein and Bloomberg should "have a word" with Israel about "rational gun control".

I'm sure they have a fair amount influence over there.

/Or is what's good for the joose not good for the gander?
 
2013-04-07 09:18:48 PM  

randomjsa: The two sides are Israel and a group of people who want them dead at any price and will never, ever, accept peace. Hamas will never under any circumstance accept anything short of the complete destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew in it. When the position is "we're going to kill every single solitary one of you and will stop at absolutely nothing to do it" where do you begin the process? Does it start with something like "Could you maybe only kill 80% of us?"


So, since Israel is supposedly facing these circumstances, they have no choice but to keep killing these 'enemies', which will make the enemies swear to destroy them for the very same reason.

BOTH sides are being fed the same propaganda, and acting on the same logic, to perpetuate all this. It really looks like they're both being manipulated and used to further some other agenda, but are too dim to realize it.
 
2013-04-07 09:26:46 PM  

fatcurlytoes: stay classy, Jew-baiters.

(show me ONE instance where the folks who like to whine about Palestinians have ever given a rat's ass about Palestinian rights in Lebanon... in Syria where they have been literally being used as cannon fodder... in Egypt where the roads from Gaza are mined... and I'll show you a hallucination because it simply does not happen. Nobody cares, not really; but it sure is jolly fun times to make hysterical accusations of war crimes against tiny, embattled Israel - where rockets are literally landing in the north AND the south now.)

fark you, you know who you are.


Wow. Why don't those poor Palestinians just go home if things are so bad for them in other countries?
 
2013-04-07 09:35:23 PM  

Amos Quito: noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?

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[farm5.staticflickr.com image 483x333]

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[alethonews.files.wordpress.com image 300x225]

Concealed carry? Who needs "concealed"?

Only a "terrorist" would want to conceal.


Interesting idea - concealed weapon carriers are terrorists - I'll think about that...
 
2013-04-07 09:35:53 PM  

detritus: When did anti-semitism only apply to Jews?  Israel's government is just as anti-semitic and racist towards Arabs and Blacks.  I'm convinced they are the 21st century moral equivalent of Nazis.  And, just like the US warmly embraced Hitler and the Nazi party pre-WWII, look where we are, supporting a state guilty of doing the same shiat we fought against.

Yet it's OK if Israel creates Stuxnet which has done an incredible amount of damage yet "woe is them" if they get a taste of the shiat they dished out? 

Israel is a terrorist state that needs to be overthrown, and Netanyahu should meet the same fate as Saddam. If there were a US war against Israel I'd enlist tomorrow.


Because if you try to explain to...well, just about anyone, really...that the term "anti-Semite" also refers to Arabs and some blacks, they'll look at you like you just grew horns and spun your head a full 360 on your neck.

I would LOVE to see Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh's reaction to being called anti-Semitic the next time they start running their mouths about "those people" (by that, I mean Muslims) while singing the praises of Israel. Seriously, I think I would pay money to see the purple-faced explosion.
 
2013-04-07 09:36:46 PM  

Amos Quito: phalaeo: Wow, a lot of people in this thread make me sick.  You have no idea what the history is between Israel and the Palestinians,


Actually, I do have some knowledge of the history of the area, but I would certainly be interested in hearing your perspective.

What say we start by discussing why and how all those Jews wound up in Palestine in the first place?

Let's talk about why they migrated there from Europe, Russia, Asia and elsewhere, shall we?

Let's discuss who desperately wanted to move Jews to Palestine - long before it was called "Israel" - and WHY?

Were most Jews anxious to abandon their lives in Europe, Asia etc. and move to pre-Israel Palestine? Why or why not?

How did the Zionists get their hands on the real estate? And how did they manage to build import a population of Jews that was large enough to start a country?

And finally, who financed all this?


/I love history


According to popular history, the Nazis, because they were evil, attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe due to racism, and nearly succeeded until the US and UK stepped in, defeating Germany and giving the Jews a nice bug chunk of land around Jerusalem as repairations.

Of course, every single bit of that is bullshiat.
 
2013-04-07 09:39:10 PM  

Amos Quito: Amos Quito: noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?

...

WOW!

I just realized that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the firearms in the pics I posted above is an ASSAULT WEAPON!

/Or is what's good for the joose not good for the gander?


Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the helmets those soldiers are wearing in several of those pictures - they don't seem like they would provide adequate protection in combat.  Is it just me?  I'd want something that came down over the ears at least.
 
2013-04-07 09:39:39 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: According to popular history, the Nazis, because they were evil, attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe due to racism, and nearly succeeded until the US and UK stepped in, defeating Germany and giving the Jews a nice bug chunk of land around Jerusalem as repairations.

Of course, every single bit of that is bullshiat.


What is the real story?
 
2013-04-07 09:40:51 PM  
Oh those poor Israelis. Yawn.
 
Oak
2013-04-07 09:42:11 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" "Wall Street," or "the Hollywood left," depending on your personal pathology, and sky's the limit


FTFY
 
2013-04-07 09:43:51 PM  

jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: According to popular history, the Nazis, because they were evil, attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe due to racism, and nearly succeeded until the US and UK stepped in, defeating Germany and giving the Jews a nice bug chunk of land around Jerusalem as repairations.

Of course, every single bit of that is bullshiat.

What is the real story?


I don't know yet. It's not something that can be summarized in a Fark post or a Wikipedia entry. Read every bit of history about the subject that you can get your hands on for about 10 years, and that will be a halfway decent start.
 
2013-04-07 09:53:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: According to popular history, the Nazis, because they were evil, attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe due to racism, and nearly succeeded until the US and UK stepped in, defeating Germany and giving the Jews a nice bug chunk of land around Jerusalem as repairations.

Of course, every single bit of that is bullshiat.

What is the real story?

I don't know yet. It's not something that can be summarized in a Fark post or a Wikipedia entry. Read every bit of history about the subject that you can get your hands on for about 10 years, and that will be a halfway decent start.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah_Bet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Aliyah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah
 
2013-04-07 09:56:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: According to popular history, the Nazis, because they were evil, attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe due to racism, and nearly succeeded until the US and UK stepped in, defeating Germany and giving the Jews a nice bug chunk of land around Jerusalem as repairations.

Of course, every single bit of that is bullshiat.

What is the real story?

I don't know yet. It's not something that can be summarized in a Fark post or a Wikipedia entry. Read every bit of history about the subject that you can get your hands on for about 10 years, and that will be a halfway decent start.


Well add in the Soviet Union and that is the general history of it. Of course you can find lots of gray areas in terms of how everything went down exactly and the motivations of the relative parties. But on the basic level yes it is true. And even then many of those things you read will disagree on certain aspects of it, plus as new things are studied and revealed some things will change as well. But for most people who will not dedicate a decade or more to study up on the war the general history is good enough.
 
2013-04-07 09:59:51 PM  

anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit


"Eich bin ein arschloch!"
 
2013-04-07 10:03:37 PM  

Tellingthem: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: According to popular history, the Nazis, because they were evil, attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe due to racism, and nearly succeeded until the US and UK stepped in, defeating Germany and giving the Jews a nice bug chunk of land around Jerusalem as repairations.

Of course, every single bit of that is bullshiat.

What is the real story?

I don't know yet. It's not something that can be summarized in a Fark post or a Wikipedia entry. Read every bit of history about the subject that you can get your hands on for about 10 years, and that will be a halfway decent start.

Well add in the Soviet Union and that is the general history of it. Of course you can find lots of gray areas in terms of how everything went down exactly and the motivations of the relative parties. But on the basic level yes it is true. And even then many of those things you read will disagree on certain aspects of it, plus as new things are studied and revealed some things will change as well. But for most people who will not dedicate a decade or more to study up on the war the general history is good enough.


lol perfect
 
2013-04-07 10:07:41 PM  

noitsnot: Amos Quito: noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?

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[bokertov.typepad.com image 400x275]

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Concealed carry? Who needs "concealed"?

Only a "terrorist" would want to conceal.

Interesting idea - concealed weapon carriers are terrorists - I'll think about that...



No, ONLY in Israel - and then ONLY if the carriers are not Jewish.
 
2013-04-07 10:07:53 PM  
Anonymous may be having some fun until Mossad comes knocking at the door.  Then it will be "game over".
 
2013-04-07 10:18:03 PM  
ITT:  Trolls vilifying trolls
 
2013-04-07 10:19:18 PM  

runwiz: Anonymous may be having some fun until Mossad comes knocking at the door.  Then it will be "game over".



Methinks Mossad may be masturbating for your viewing pleasure.

IOW, bullshiat propaganda attack.


/POOR LITTLE ISRAEL!
 
2013-04-07 10:23:07 PM  

friday13: Considering this is DailyFail, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt...


A grain of Dead Sea salt at that.
 
2013-04-07 10:34:35 PM  
SubBass49: 1. "Their" rate of reproduction, huh?  Interesting dehumanizing terminology there.  Would you say "they" breed like rats, or rabbits?  Thanks for the insight into your mindset and true opinion of Palestinians.

Had I wanted to say "they" breed like rabbits, I would have said so. I said exactly what I meant to say, you decided to pretend you know what I really mean, and conveniently failed to answer a simple logistical question.

2. Want to safeguard Israeli citizens?  Treat Palestinians in a manner that reduces their desire to have violent uprisings.  Hard to convince a person who has something to live for that blowing himself up is a good idea.  Yet somehow there seems to be a never-ending supply of young Palestinians who feel that life will never get better.  Wonder why.  A fair Palestinian state will provide more security for Israel than any checkpoint ever will.

If you're going to go down the path of judging actions based on reactions, there's absolutely no conceivable argument that would change your position. I won't try, but please consider how illogical that is.

3. Sure, Palestinians are free to build their own hospitals.  That's like saying that the residents of Compton are free to build their own hospital.  Should be easy, right?  Just come up with a few hundred million dollars and people that want to live and work in a war zone...simple as that!

I don't understand the comparison. Besides, lots of people live and work in war zones.

4. Are you actually wanting me to feel bad for Israelis that were evacuated from land that just a few generations ago was stolen from Palestinians and HANDED to Israelis, because Palestinians had the nerve to get angry and react?  Just want to know if you're serious.

Are you talking about land that individual Arab landholders sold to Jews? The British Mandate? I don't even know where you're going with this, unless you mean that a State of Israel hasn't always existed, which is true. Are you saying that's what the region should go back to? No sovereign nation of Israel at all?

5. My indignation is tied to the current state of affairs.  If Israelis were being treated as the Palestinians are right now, I'd be angry about that as well.  No human should be forced to endure what the Palestinians are enduring at the present moment in history.  You'd like to imagine that as a people that had historically been mistreated and enslaved, that Zionist Jews would be opposed to treating others in such a manner, but apparently a large portion of the population hasn't come to terms with the irony yet.  Maybe it's akin to the victim of abuse becoming the abuser when they finally are the one in control.

It's really very simple. Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is open to a two-state solution. Palestinian leaders are not interested, and in fact still don't all agree that Israel (in any form) has the right to simply exist (which, if anything, brings to mind Nazi Germany's denial of Jews' right to exist). If they want to be treated like a sovereign nation, then they should act like one. But as long as they continue to fire rockets into Israeli civic centers and commit acts of terrorism (not to mention using funds earmarked for public service toward furthering their efforts to kill Israelis), Israel's failure to acquiesce to Palestinian demands should come as a surprise to exactly no one.
 
2013-04-07 10:42:07 PM  
I lost a Jewish friend of 20 years when I stood up to her anti-Palestinian bullshiat.  Haven't missed her much.  She got old and fat, and lacked nubile daughters.
 
2013-04-07 10:48:37 PM  
At least they didn't accuse Rick Warren of driving his son to suicide. Can you imagine? I mean, that would be TRUE assholery.
 
2013-04-07 10:54:14 PM  

owlie: SubBass49: 1. "Their" rate of reproduction, huh?  Interesting dehumanizing terminology there.  Would you say "they" breed like rats, or rabbits?  Thanks for the insight into your mindset and true opinion of Palestinians.

Had I wanted to say "they" breed like rabbits, I would have said so. I said exactly what I meant to say, you decided to pretend you know what I really mean, and conveniently failed to answer a simple logistical question.

2. Want to safeguard Israeli citizens?  Treat Palestinians in a manner that reduces their desire to have violent uprisings.  Hard to convince a person who has something to live for that blowing himself up is a good idea.  Yet somehow there seems to be a never-ending supply of young Palestinians who feel that life will never get better.  Wonder why.  A fair Palestinian state will provide more security for Israel than any checkpoint ever will.

If you're going to go down the path of judging actions based on reactions, there's absolutely no conceivable argument that would change your position. I won't try, but please consider how illogical that is.

3. Sure, Palestinians are free to build their own hospitals.  That's like saying that the residents of Compton are free to build their own hospital.  Should be easy, right?  Just come up with a few hundred million dollars and people that want to live and work in a war zone...simple as that!

I don't understand the comparison. Besides, lots of people live and work in war zones.

4. Are you actually wanting me to feel bad for Israelis that were evacuated from land that just a few generations ago was stolen from Palestinians and HANDED to Israelis, because Palestinians had the nerve to get angry and react?  Just want to know if you're serious.

Are you talking about land that individual Arab landholders sold to Jews? The British Mandate? I don't even know where you're going with this, unless you mean that a State of Israel hasn't always existed, which is true. Are you saying that's what the ...



Nice answers, but they all seem to be
logoinspirations.com
 
2013-04-07 10:59:13 PM  
I just came for Al Gore and am leaving disappointed.
 
2013-04-07 11:02:04 PM  
SubBass49:
Nice answers, but they all seem to be

How very meta of you.
 
2013-04-07 11:07:49 PM  
I heard Anonymous carved an actual Swastika onto some girls dorm room door.
 
2013-04-07 11:08:27 PM  

boinkingbill: Gee, when anonymous attacks the 'bad' people that Farkers don't like, they are the good guys.  I keep wondering when the Israelis are going to start implementing the ovens in the Palestinian concentration camps.  Remember when the Nazis put the Jews in concentration camps and everyone thought it was bad.  Boy has the world changed since the early 40's.


Willie Pete would like a word with you. He was last seen in Gaza, but was also known to hang around in southern Lebanon.
 
2013-04-07 11:28:32 PM  

owlie: It's really very simple. Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is open to a two-state solution. Palestinian leaders are not interested, and in fact still don't all agree that Israel (in any form) has the right to simply exist (which, if anything, brings to mind Nazi Germany's denial of Jews' right to exist). If they want to be treated like a sovereign nation, then they should act like one. But as long as they continue to fire rockets into Israeli civic centers and commit acts of terrorism (not to mention using funds earmarked for public service toward furthering their efforts to kill Israelis), Israel's failure to acquiesce to Palestinian demands should come as a surprise to exactly no one.


You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense
 
2013-04-07 11:43:29 PM  
good.  Israel have been acting like jerks lately.  can't say I feel at all sorry for 'em.
 
2013-04-07 11:47:02 PM  
You know who else hated Jews.
 
2013-04-07 11:47:48 PM  

rappy: owlie: It's really very simple. Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is open to a two-state solution. Palestinian leaders are not interested, and in fact still don't all agree that Israel (in any form) has the right to simply exist (which, if anything, brings to mind Nazi Germany's denial of Jews' right to exist). If they want to be treated like a sovereign nation, then they should act like one. But as long as they continue to fire rockets into Israeli civic centers and commit acts of terrorism (not to mention using funds earmarked for public service toward furthering their efforts to kill Israelis), Israel's failure to acquiesce to Palestinian demands should come as a surprise to exactly no one.

You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 11:52:41 PM  
I liked the part where they told Benjamin Netanyahu "Tits or GTFO".
 
2013-04-07 11:58:55 PM  
I have been noticing that a lot of people on these types of threads who wish to retort to another posting in the thread tend to make their points null by insisting on insulting the original poster they are replying to.  Why?  If you can't agree to the post then you should state your different opinion and be on your merry way.  Why degrade yourself by belittling others, especially over the internet which only goes to show that you don't really believe in your convictions and must rely on insults to justify your causes.  If one does not agree with you that does not make them the anti-christ or pedophile or whatever.  That type of black and white logic only leads to extreme positions and does not allow for proper rhetoric to allow people to come to an amicable conclusion.
 
2013-04-08 12:07:29 AM  
So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.
 
2013-04-08 12:08:57 AM  

soia: I have been noticing that a lot of people on these types of threads who wish to retort to another posting in the thread tend to make their points null by insisting on insulting the original poster they are replying to.  Why?  If you can't agree to the post then you should state your different opinion and be on your merry way.  Why degrade yourself by belittling others, especially over the internet which only goes to show that you don't really believe in your convictions and must rely on insults to justify your causes.  If one does not agree with you that does not make them the anti-christ or pedophile or whatever.  That type of black and white logic only leads to extreme positions and does not allow for proper rhetoric to allow people to come to an amicable conclusion.


Welcome to Fark.jpeg
 
2013-04-08 12:29:57 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?



Yeah? So you're obsession with ancient history somehow grants you title to the land, or what?


EsteeFlwrPot: Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?



One might ASSUME that it was named after the Biblical Philistines, no?

Oh, and BTW, did you miss this text from the Old Testament / Torah?

QUOTE:

"But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God."

END QUOTE


Seems to me that Jews who are obsessed with ancient history shouldn't be terribly whiny about others committing GENOCIDE, if you catch my drift.

You like ancient history? It's all or nothing, darling.

Make your choice.


/No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot
 
2013-04-08 12:32:59 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why?

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.


You mean Canaan?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-08 12:37:46 AM  
 
2013-04-08 12:47:19 AM  

Amos Quito: Or is what's good for the joose not good for the gander?


assets0.ordienetworks.com

For the record I think the zionists and hamas are assholes.
I guess I am anti semitic (they are both semites are they not ?)

The whole situation sucks, neither side has the moral high ground. Never have, never will.

/ "I have friends of both racial backgrounds" and they hate the zionists and hamas too
// all of them have left that shiathole and now live in the US
/ why the fark is anyone fighting over such a terrible land, Ive seen better land in Nevada for farks sake
 
2013-04-08 12:53:48 AM  
Gato Blanco: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY


Love that video.


/Shiatty piece of land, tho
//Major pain in the ass
///Proverbial
 
2013-04-08 01:04:57 AM  
EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why? The Roman's, as part of the sacking of the temple (Emperor Hadrian... to erase any connection of the people to the land... a tactic enjoyed by the more learned Anti-Semites (see: Amos-Cannot-Quito Hating Jews above for reference).

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.
 
2013-04-08 01:12:53 AM  

Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot


Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes along and establishes some real closure and peace.
 
2013-04-08 01:13:58 AM  

spill_thrill: I heard Anonymous carved an actual Swastika onto some girls dorm room door.


With 19,000 hacked Facebook accounts and private websites 'hacked' with 'anti-Israel' images... a Swastika on a girl's digital dorm room door is pretty much the case here.

Real classy anonymouse.
media49.podbean.com
 
2013-04-08 01:15:26 AM  

NostroZ: EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why? The Roman's, as part of the sacking of the temple (Emperor Hadrian... to erase any connection of the people to the land... a tactic enjoyed by the more learned Anti-Semites (see: Amos-Cannot-Quito Hating Jews above for reference).

I see Fark is the perfect place to read rational discussions and opinions based on history being thoroughly recalled through debate and intensive research.


Thank you. Now did anyone besides a couple of people in the thread actually know that?
 
2013-04-08 01:19:09 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...


I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel. The countries refused to take their refugees because they would rather let their own people suffer to fight against Jews settling in Israel instead of showing actual love and concern to their own people. It's a better game if the enemy looks like the bad guy, especially since the world turns a blind eye to arab on arab crime.

/does anyone know how syria, jordan and egypt treat the palestinians?
 
2013-04-08 01:22:10 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...


So when Israelis killed people and kicked others out, they 'won the land', but when Israelis get killed and chased out, they DESERVE to go back home, and the Palestinians should quit whining about it?
 
2013-04-08 01:26:01 AM  
For anyone who still thinks Israel is blameless in all things, I invite you to Google "The Levan Affair."
 
2013-04-08 01:26:55 AM  

NostroZ: EsteeFlwrPot: So no one here knows anything about Ancient Israel, Judea, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, when the first and second temples were built, destroyed by the Romans.. Jews kicked out of the land and left to roam around the world, small population of Jews always remained, etc?

Apparently Jews only lived on the land of Israel after the holocaust and the only time a nation tried to exterminate Jews was Germany in the 1940s. Nothing about the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Does anyone even know who named the land Palestine and why? The Roman's, as part of the sacking of the temple (Emperor Hadrian... to erase any connection of the people to the land... a tactic enjoyed by the more learned Anti-Semites (see: Amos-Cannot-Quito Hating Jews above for reference).



So sez the dude who CLAIMS to have me on ignore.

lulZ


Do you know what REALLY causes anti-Semitism, NostroZ?

Semitism.

You can't have an antithesis without a thesis, sweetheart.


/Think about it
//No, really
///I know it hurts, but at least TRY
 
2013-04-08 01:27:25 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...


So, let me make sure I understand.  You are saying that, if you conquer a land, you need to make sure you commit a total and complete genocide - because if any survivors are left in the land, they will have a claim on it thousands of years later.

So the Israelites exterminated the Canaanites, Jebusites, Phillistines and had an uncontested claim on the land - but then the Romans didn't finish off all the Israelites when they came in, so the surviving Israelites can claim the land later.

Is that it?
 
2013-04-08 01:29:45 AM  

Gato Blanco: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY


Awesome.
 
2013-04-08 01:37:10 AM  

LordJiro: It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...

So when Israelis killed people and kicked others out, they 'won the land', but when Israelis get killed and chased out, they DESERVE to go back home, and the Palestinians should quit whining about it?


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Real world calling...  Might makes right.
Might in Israel = As much rights as you can give with daily security concerns
Might by Hamas = Death to GAYS, CHRISTIANS, and non-conforming


/Israel is there because they have fought tooth-and-nail to keep that little slit of land.
//There is no moral debate of who deserves what... that's a 1st world luxury debate.
///If the Arabs had their way the Jews would have been exterminated in 1929.   1948.   1950s reprisals, 1967 six day war, the 1st/2nd antifada, etc. etc.
 
2013-04-08 02:17:16 AM  
just days after anonymous discredits a world leader and creates an international uproar, a group claiming to be anonymous insults the biggest sacred cow of the latest century?

how convenient

/i'm not saying it's an inside job
//but
 
2013-04-08 02:18:08 AM  

rappy: owlie: It's really very simple. Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is open to a two-state solution. Palestinian leaders are not interested, and in fact still don't all agree that Israel (in any form) has the right to simply exist (which, if anything, brings to mind Nazi Germany's denial of Jews' right to exist). If they want to be treated like a sovereign nation, then they should act like one. But as long as they continue to fire rockets into Israeli civic centers and commit acts of terrorism (not to mention using funds earmarked for public service toward furthering their efforts to kill Israelis), Israel's failure to acquiesce to Palestinian demands should come as a surprise to exactly no one.

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Did...did you just have a stroke...?
 
2013-04-08 02:36:09 AM  

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: rappy:
You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense


Did...did you just have a stroke...?


Um, I hope it wasn't because of anything I said. :/
 
2013-04-08 02:37:56 AM  
awesome.
 
2013-04-08 02:50:44 AM  

Gaius: Richard C Stanford: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is equivalent to the little bastard in high school who got away with everything because they were the son/daughter of a teacher or the principal.

Israel is committing warcrimes and the Zionists need to eat sh** and die. Palestine is full of refugees and lunatics who want to provoke the situation more.

Israel needs to give up on the damn settlements issue. Draw the lines according to the 1947 treaty, declare Jerusalem as a neutral zone, and make it clear that if any settlements go up outside of the boundaries, the US stops funding and military protection right there. Palestine also needs to be told that aid will be available for rebuilding, but any attacks that come from Palestine means a sacrifice of the building that the attack came from (if a local terror cell shoots a rocket from a hospital, the hospital is now a military target).

It sure as hell wouldn't stop the problem completely, but it would be a damn good start.

You know what, lets just move Israel someplace else. I mean, for God's sake, why is that area even worth fighting for? It's a bombed out wasteland that has nothing of real value. So why don't we just take all the monuments and stuff and establish New Israel in a place that doesn't suck? Palestinians get to have their crappy desert back and the Jews can live in a place that isn't a barren desert.
/Of course it would probably be two days before some jihadist declares that New Israel is located on "Holy Islamic Ground" and this whole shiate storm gets started again.

Like Madagascar?


If it were Madagascar, the president would just SHUT.  DOWN.  EVERYTHING.
 
2013-04-08 03:00:53 AM  

jaytkay: noitsnot: Can you get a concealed carry permit in Israel very easily?  We need to make this thread about guns too.

I dunno, but I'm a vegetarian bicyclist.

People don't mind vegetarians and bicyclists.



Damn vegetarian bicyclists!   (nsfw language)
 
2013-04-08 03:03:37 AM  

Aigoo: Because if you try to explain to...well, just about anyone, really...that the term "anti-Semite" also refers to Arabs and some blacks, they'll look at you like you just grew horns and spun your head a full 360 on your neck.


No.  As has already been pointed out in this thread, "anti-Semite" refers ONLY to bigotry against Jews.
 
2013-04-08 03:31:14 AM  

Ghastly: I liked the part where they told Benjamin Netanyahu "Tits or GTFO".


I love this place. There's always a gem or two.
 
2013-04-08 03:59:23 AM  

Mr. Breeze: Uncle Tractor: anuran: Hating Jews is trendy again. All you have to do is call them "Zionists" and sky's the limit

[i560.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Congratulations! I think that's the most straw men I've ever seen in one small box.


What straw men? It's a well-known fact that any criticism of Israel will get you branded as an "anti-semite."
 
2013-04-08 04:09:15 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Thisbymaster: Good, Israel has done everything in its power to destabilise the middle east.

You do realize that Israel is the only functional democracy in the Middle East?


Israel is a democracy the same way Apartheid SA was a democracy; it isn't. The word you're looking for is "ethnocracy."

 Or the fact that you would probably be abducted and murdered in most other middle eastern countries?
 
2013-04-08 04:18:23 AM  

ciberido: No.  As has already been pointed out in this thread, "anti-Semite" refers ONLY to bigotry against Jews.


Difficulty: "Semite" refers to several ethnicities, including arabs. AFAIK, most semites are arabs. To clutter it up even more, not all jews are semites.

So even though you are correct in saying that the expression "anti-semite" was created as a reference of bigotry against jews, the literal meaning of the expression means bigotry against all semites, jewish or not.  Furthermore, why should we use a flawed expression made by a bigot?
 
2013-04-08 04:36:19 AM  
Meh. I've seen the Israelis get trolled like this a long time ago...

Link

Now, can we please change this to a hot Jew thread?

2.bp.blogspot.com

i446.photobucket.com

i.imgur.com

media.heavy.com

/Oy!
 
2013-04-08 04:40:37 AM  
Of course...the left and anti-Semitism have always been hand in hand.....people forget that the Nazis were National Socialist German Workers Party.

And, Joseph Stalin was beginning a purge of all Soviet Jews before he died

All this Anti Israel nonsense is just setting up Holocaust II.
 
2013-04-08 04:46:50 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Of course...the left and anti-Semitism have always been hand in hand.....people forget that the Nazis were National Socialist German Workers Party.

And, Joseph Stalin was beginning a purge of all Soviet Jews before he died

All this Anti Israel nonsense is just setting up Holocaust II.


lolollololol 5/10
 
2013-04-08 04:55:41 AM  

EsteeFlwrPot: EsteeFlwrPot: Amos Quito: No one like hypocrites, EsteeFlwrPot

Right so in Ancient times, when land was won in war, the Israelites fought, killed all the people and won the land. Why are you acting like i'm not admitting historical fact? That's how everyone won the land they settled in. France, Spain, Russia, China, America, etc. All the people that lived on those lands had to fight to establish their boundaries and then settled on those lands. What do you think, land was won by a riveting game of chess followed by tea and crackers?

The Israelites killed the people, won the lands, settled and built their empires. Then here come the Romans to kick them out, except they don't kick out all the people and the some of the Jews living there were forced out. So then for the rest of history, thousands of years later, you have some Jews still living on the land and some Jews sprinkled all over the world, wanting to go back to their land but since they can't they tried to make ends meet elsewhere. Eventually that doesn't work out and they try to go back home. They go back but now there are these other people living there along with some Jews that were also there living in certain areas. Some of these people (the palestinians) are perfectly ok sharing the land and so they live in Israel along with the Jews, working and living life neighbors with Jews and happy as pie (you see this when you actually go to Israel and not just look at news and think you know what's actually going on in the country). Some palestinians have a problem with this and decide to act out violently. Other palestinians really just want to live their lives and be left alone but unfortunately are being used by their Arab neighbors for political games instead of actually being helped, so they're really stuck in a bind.

It really comes down to a huge problem with a complicated solution no one has figured out yet. Really it's an eternal struggle that has always been and will always be until someone brilliant enough comes ...

I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel. The countries refused to take their refugees because they would rather let their own people suffer to fight against Jews settling in Israel instead of showing actual love and concern to their own people. It's a better game if the enemy looks like the bad guy, especially since the world turns a blind eye to arab on arab crime.

/does anyone know how syria, jordan and egypt treat the palestinians?


Jordan kicked out 300K Palestinians back in 1970. King Hussein got tired of their terrorist crap in Jordan.

The Anti Semites never mention this fact....the Palestinians are despised by the rank-and-file Muslim. Muslim political leaders use Israel and Palestine as a way to divert peoples attention......but Muslims outside of Palestine see the Palestinians as spoiled and whiny. As a Pakistani immigrant once told me "hard for my countrymen to sympathize with Palestinians when they are wearing Adidas....and we go barefoot"
 
2013-04-08 05:29:23 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Of course...the left and anti-Semitism have always been hand in hand.....people forget that the Nazis were National Socialist German Workers Party.

And, Joseph Stalin was beginning a purge of all Soviet Jews before he died

All this Anti Israel nonsense is just setting up Holocaust II.


Hitler and Stalin were liberal because Nazis AND 'USSR' had socialist in the name! Never mind that neither actually PRACTICED socialism, and were extreme authoritarians more than anything else, they were bad, so they're automatically LIBERAL!

/Hint: It wasn't American liberals, for example, supporting Hitler pre-Pearl Harbor. It was wealthy, conservative businessmen - they LOVED the guy.
 
2013-04-08 06:47:26 AM  

Amos Quito: Why is that, proteus_b?


Because those are the terms which are used by both sides in the area. Palestinians claim affinity with all Arabs and refer to themselves as such, and refer to the Israelis as the Jews. The Israelis likewise refer to those two parties as the Jews and the Arabs.
 
2013-04-08 06:51:20 AM  
As a long time supporter of the Jews when I was younger, I feel disgusted in finding out how they actually are. Now I cheer when I see Palestinians have killed Jews.
 
2013-04-08 07:22:57 AM  

super_grass: liam76: super_grass: liam76:I have no problem saying they should 'clean up their act' but when people toss out genocude, concentration camps or nazis they are going beyond calls for cleaning their act up. They are just lying about the situation, and I can't think of reason aside from antisemitism to do that.

Again, Tibet. They have race-riots regularly too.  Sometimes started by the Tibetans, sometimes the Chinese.

Whether or not the accusations are fitting or not is still up in the air. It's just interesting that there is so much cognitive dissonance between America's views on the two even though China/Israel use a lot of similar arguments.

Hawaii sort of applies too if you think about the state's history.

There is nothing "up in the air" about those accusations. If you think otherwise you are ignorant or a liar.

There is no "cognitive dissonance". Was Tibet used to stage attacks from neighboring countries that vowed to wipe out the Chinese? Did Tibet ever rain rockets on China? Did a party in Tibet that vowed to remove all the Chinese from China ever come to power?

It was, the U.S. funded Tibetan guerrillas against China. Communist China felt that Tibet would be a launching pad for foreign interests, and rationalize it by pointing out how much the living standards improved under Chinese rule - which is true.


Nevermind that happened in 1959, and hasn't ahppened again, re-read the underlined.

jaytkay: In 2006 four Israeli soldiers were killed.

In response Israel destroyed large portions of Beirut


That is some nice revesionism there.

Are you honetrly so ignorant of the situation that you had no idea rockets weere being fired from Beirut, or do you just like to gloss over that fact so you can paint Israel in a bad light?
 
2013-04-08 07:26:19 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Israel is a democracy the same way Apartheid SA was a democracy; it isn't. The word you're looking for is "ethnocracy."


If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.  Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.
 
2013-04-08 08:17:10 AM  
Oh, good, another Internet dialogue of the deaf between the Zionist racist oppressors of the Palestinians and the Naziphile Jew-hating supporters of terrorism.  I'll bet a lot of problems get solved here.
 
2013-04-08 08:50:26 AM  
Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.
 
2013-04-08 09:05:22 AM  

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


This conflict has more than two sides.

No matter what Israel does the most violent and agressive movements in Palestine are going to have a lot of power as they are the ones getting most support from other mulim countries.
 
2013-04-08 09:07:50 AM  
Either they're batshiat crazy like WBC or this is a false flag op designed to discredit them. Probably the former, since they've already been pretty much discredited. Kind of like PETA, a few core hacktivists with a legion of script-kiddie sheeple.
 
2013-04-08 09:44:01 AM  

liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.


The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.

Israel has successfully raped Palestine, so now Israel has to marry her. Thanks to israeli colonization, the palestinians are de facto israelis.

Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

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2013-04-08 09:48:10 AM  

SubBass49: How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


Here's how we get there: The palestinians forget about creating a palestinian state and instead demand their rights as israeli citizens. IOW turn the whole thing into a civil rights movement. Israel will then have two options: take the mask off and once and for all show the world what a nasty regime it is, or (for once in their entire history) do the right thing and let the palestinians in.
 
2013-04-08 09:50:20 AM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.


The arabs of Gaza aren't Israeli citizens, why woudl they be allowed to vote in Israel?

You made a claim that it was based on ethnicity, if this was true then Israli Arabs woudl not be allowed to vote.


Uncle Tractor: Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

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You aren't an adult.  At least you aren't talking like one.  You are ignoring facts you don't like to push lies about it being an ethnocracy.  If you have soem other reason for your frequent lies abotu Israel I am all ears, but until then you have made a great case for being an antisemite in my book.
 
2013-04-08 09:58:08 AM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: If that were true Israeli arabs wouldn't be able to vote.

The arabs of Gaza and the WB aren't allowed to vote.

You don't get to unilaterally determine who is an actual Israeli citizen so you can make up claioms of apartheid.

Israel has successfully raped Palestine, so now Israel has to marry her. Thanks to israeli colonization, the palestinians are de facto israelis.

Well I guess you can, but people will clearly see you for the Anti-Semite you are.

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1. Have to be a citizen to vote, unless you are voting in the US
2. They were Jordainians and Egyptians before June 4th 1967, then overnight they became" Palistinians"
3. Remember Black September? good times. 1947? 1967? 1973?
4. you are a retard and should move out of your moms basement and learn something about the real world.
5.Why do you support a group that keeps slaves and treats women like property? Dhimi or full blow member of the death cult?
 
2013-04-08 10:20:46 AM  

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


You're yet to specify exactly what it is that Israel is supposed to be doing to "change the dynamic" that doesn't first require that the Palestinians first stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians. Want to stop Palestinian children from being killed? Stop recruiting them as soldiers. Want shorter waits at checkpoints (basically border control)? Tell your compatriots to stop trying to smuggle weapons or sneak in as suicide bombers. Want better schools? Spend less time indoctrinating youth on why it's important to hate Israel and the value of martyrdom, and more time giving the next generation an education. Want better health care and infrastructure? Stop spending so damn much on weapons at the expense of essential services to Palestinian citizenry. Want a two-state solution? Recognize the existence of the State of Israel and accept Israel's open invitation to sit down and discuss the terms of the agreement. If the other party is not even open to dialog, where do you begin, specifically? What am I missing?
 
2013-04-08 11:35:50 AM  

SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?  Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.


YOU sir, Are far too reasonable for Fark,
Seriously though. THIS x10000
 
2013-04-08 12:21:05 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: SubBass49: Put all ancient history aside for a second, and stop the bullshiat.

GOAL:  End the bloodshed and mistreatment of ANY people in the land known as Israel

Means of reaching that goal:  Both sides of the situation being given what they want, which is peace, prosperity, their own land where they can live by their own rules & laws.

How do we get there?   Right now one side holds the power, and one side doesn't.  In any situation of that nature, it rests upon the more powerful of the two parties to show dignity & maturity, and begin the process.  Not in ways that demean the other side, but in ways that make an honest effort without trying to carve out additional advantages.

Do the Palestinians have to cut out the bombings & such?  Of course.  Why do they bomb?  Because Israel continues to give them no hope for a future that's not under their boot heel.  Change that dynamic, and then we can actually get started on something meaningful & lasting.

YOU sir, Are far too reasonable for Fark,
Seriously though. THIS x10000


Excuse me... but this argument of "they terrorize because they are victims" has been tried and is full of crap.
If I don't agree with a policy I don't strap a bomb to my chest and go out to kill as many women/children as I can in a mall.

Israel is not some big bully holding the Palestinians under it's thumb no matter how much you repeat that propaganda.
There are elements in the Palestinian community that wants ALL JEWS DEAD.  This much is written into the CHARTER of the RULING PARTY of Hamas.

You cannot ignore the ceaseless hatred and desire for blood that the Arabs have against the Jews.  This is not a "they are both wrong", so lets stop thinking about the issue or any nuance that is the HALLMARK OF A false-equivalency argument.

Let me bring you up to speed.  Hamas kills Gays.
Hamas kills Christians.
Hamas keep food/supplies from it's own citizens.


Hamas is supported by FOREIGN ARAB countries and therefore is not the David v. Goliath you pretend is going on with Israel v. Palestine.  The elements that have power from other countries are NOT PEACEFUL.  They KILL any Palestinian found to be working with Israel (they call them collaborators).

Lets be real about what Palestinian leadership is... HAMAS
By supporting the current Palestinian leadership you support killing Gays, Christians, and any non-conformists (women, Palestinian, etc.).
 
2013-04-08 12:48:32 PM  

illannoyin: Meh. I've seen the Israelis get trolled like this a long time ago...

Link

Now, can we please change this to a hot Jew thread?

/Oy!


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2013-04-08 01:20:01 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: I just want to add, the palestinian people are really syrians, jordinians, egyptians, etc that were left there when the Jews wanted to come back to Israel.


LOL!

At least the "Arabs" were THERE - in the region - and had been for countless generations.

Before 1947, there were no "Israelis". They were German Jews, Polish Jews, French Jews, Russian Jews, Latvian Jews, Austrian Jews... virtually NONE of which had set foot in "The Promised Land" for CENTURIES. Aside from a VERY small minority of Jews "native" to the area, all of the others  were Europeans and Asians who traveled thousands of miles to get to a place where they didn't belong.

The ONLY "claim" that they had to the land is that they were JEWS - by BLOOD (Political Zionism was largely an atheist mov