FirstNationalBastard: That's only because they screwed Dick Wolf and canceled Law and Order classic because of the Leno fiasco!

Probably the most insightful statement that could be made about this situation

I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

FirstNationalBastard: That's only because they screwed Dick Wolf and canceled Law and Order classic because of the Leno fiasco!

Wait, Leno's to blame for that too!?

Like being Manuel Noriega as US forces surrounded the Holy See's embassy.

theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

NBC can go die in a fire.

theurge14: vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

NBC can go die in a fire.

If they do, it was probably set intentionally to collect the insurance money at this point.

I don't see NBC gaining ground anytime soon. Come this Fall, they no longer have The Office or 30 Rock to rely on to anchor their Thursday night. They'll probably also cancel Community, losing a small (but loyal) group of viewers.

theurge14: vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

NBC can go die in a fire.

Dude, its a cable channel. Chill.

I know Michaels gets a lot of love from certain former cast members but in the books I've read about SNL (3) he always comes across as a manipulative prick who makes works to make the actors' lives miserable.

Lorne Michaels wasn't even relevant to SNL after most of the original cast was gone. The show was bad.

Jimmy Fallon would be funnier if they dipped him in liquid nitrogen and dropped him off a ten-story building.

red5ish: Jimmy Fallon would be funnier if they dipped him in liquid nitrogen and dropped him off a ten-story building.

Nah. He'd start cracking up halfway, just like he did in every SNL sketch ever.

NeoCortex42: theurge14: vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

NBC can go die in a fire.

If they do, it was probably set intentionally to collect the insurance money at this point.

I don't see NBC gaining ground anytime soon. Come this Fall, they no longer have The Office or 30 Rock to rely on to anchor their Thursday night. They'll probably also cancel Community, losing a small (but loyal) group of viewers.

I hate to say this because I loved the show for the first three years, but this half-season that they were tossed as a "why not" from the network?  It's been terrible.  I quit watching after the episode where the Germans came back.  The writing went flat and the new producer has cranked up the caricature distortion.  I can sort of understand why Chevy got fed up with it.

All that being said, has anyone not seen the Daily Show bit from this week where Stewart took the "New CNN to task"?  They've hired Jeff Zucker, because apparently what CNN needed to escape the it's-not-news morass is the guy who turned NBC into a trainwreck.

and Lorne flexes that power to bring us Up All Night.


UNC_Samurai: I hate to say this because I loved the show for the first three years, but this half-season that they were tossed as a "why not" from the network?  It's been terrible.  I quit watching after the episode where the Germans came back.  The writing went flat and the new producer has cranked up the caricature distortion.  I can sort of understand why Chevy got fed up with it.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I still watch it because it still has its moments, but yeah, the ship has long since sailed on Community. I still don't think this season would be much worse than a Harmon-led season, though. It probably wouldn't be as awkward, but it would still be shiat in its own way.

Hopefully they don't ruin Hannibal, more importantly not to wreck Graham.  Keep him like Manhunter, not like Red Dragon

And to steal from Bill Simmons, why not just regurgitate old ideas into a modern era.  Cheers set in Chicago, for example.  Keep the mindset of the new American Gladiators out of there though

Fun fact: Don Roritor is based on Lorne Michaels.

vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

+1.  30 Rock was teh awesome.  So sad it's over.  At least it's on Netflix.

FirstNationalBastard: Decillion: FirstNationalBastard: That's only because they screwed Dick Wolf and canceled Law and Order classic because of the Leno fiasco!

Wait, Leno's to blame for that too!?

Leno is to blame for pretty much everything that happened since 2009.

His failure of a 10 PM show meant that shows in established 10 PM timeslots, like Law and Order, got bounced around and canceled, shows like Southland got screwed because 10 PM slots were no longer available, and NBC as a whole suffered and never really recovered because of all the bad press.

/of course, shows like Chuck survived and got additional seasons because of Leno's cancellation, so at least one show's fanbase was grateful to Leno and NBC's stupidity.

I would blame Leno for Southland, certainly.  That's a show that was already back in production when they canceled it.  The cancelation of L&O, though, I blame on NBC trying to reboot the show with L&O:LA.  The ratings weren't terrible, but I think NBC didn't want three L&O shows on at the same time, so they canceled the flagship when they launched the LA version.  Of course, LA lasted all of one season before getting canceled itself so it was clearly a great decision.

rugman11: I would blame Leno for Southland, certainly.  That's a show that was already back in production when they canceled it.  The cancelation of L&O, though, I blame on NBC trying to reboot the show with L&O:LA.  The ratings weren't terrible, but I think NBC didn't want three L&O shows on at the same time, so they canceled the flagship when they launched the LA version.  Of course, LA lasted all of one season before getting canceled itself so it was clearly a great decision.

At least Southland is still on the air. I'm pissed that Life is gone for good.

I watched just the last half hour last night with Melissa McCarthy, and I've got to say, she won me over. I don't know if her background is in improv, but she was more fearless and into every sketch than any cast member or host I've seen in the last 10 years. Reminded me, in a good way, of Kirsten Wiig. I didn't see any of the 'I'll stand here and look just offstage at the teleprompter' that has been the S.O.P. even for members of the cast.

Damn funny.

AntonChigger: theurge14: vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

NBC can go die in a fire.

Dude, its a cable channel. Chill.

I laughed.  Thanks for that.

exparrot: I watched just the last half hour last night with Melissa McCarthy, and I've got to say, she won me over. I don't know if her background is in improv, but she was more fearless and into every sketch than any cast member or host I've seen in the last 10 years. Reminded me, in a good way, of Kirsten Wiig. I didn't see any of the 'I'll stand here and look just offstage at the teleprompter' that has been the S.O.P. even for members of the cast.

Very much this.
Make her a regular if Mike & Molly ever gets cancelled.  Hopefully that won't happen till after NBC goes down if flames, and SNL is picked up by a cable channel for us SNL junkies.

lack of warmth: exparrot: I watched just the last half hour last night with Melissa McCarthy, and I've got to say, she won me over. I don't know if her background is in improv, but she was more fearless and into every sketch than any cast member or host I've seen in the last 10 years. Reminded me, in a good way, of Kirsten Wiig. I didn't see any of the 'I'll stand here and look just offstage at the teleprompter' that has been the S.O.P. even for members of the cast.

Very much this.
Make her a regular if Mike & Molly ever gets cancelled.  Hopefully that won't happen till after NBC goes down if flames, and SNL is picked up by a cable channel for us SNL junkies.

Dude, she's not doing SNL, she's a legit movie star.  Her last movie (which by all accounts was terrible) is the second-highest grossing movie so far this year and earned more than four times its budget.

 a manipulative prick who makes works to make the actors' lives miserable:

English. You has it

FirstNationalBastard: Decillion: FirstNationalBastard: That's only because they screwed Dick Wolf and canceled Law and Order classic because of the Leno fiasco!

Wait, Leno's to blame for that too!?

Leno is to blame for pretty much everything that happened since 2009.

His failure of a 10 PM show meant that shows in established 10 PM timeslots, like Law and Order, got bounced around and canceled, shows like Southland got screwed because 10 PM slots were no longer available, and NBC as a whole suffered and never really recovered because of all the bad press.

/of course, shows like Chuck survived and got additional seasons because of Leno's cancellation, so at least one show's fanbase was grateful to Leno and NBC's stupidity.

I'm not a fan of Leno (because I like comedy), but the reason NBC collapsed is because it believed its own hype.  Who the fark sinks their entire network because of some late night talk show host?  Even if it's cheap as all hell, you're placing your entire venture on Jay farkING Leno.  It's insane to a degree that would devalue the network so much that Comcast could walk in and take it over.  Not to mention this is the same genius company that saw the writing on the wall regarding their Thursday Night lineup (which they dominated for a few decades) and simply let it go to pot.

Lorne Michaels must feel like there's a target painted on his back.  Comcast is looking for ways to gut the old NBC from the company and with Leno finally being pushed out, he's the only one left that has been around for way too long.  SNL doesn't need a Michaels there, and Comcast seems to be dismantling the network to make it theirs for a while now.

AeAe: vonschiller: theurge14: I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

30 Rock was the only consistently funny show on that network for years. Don't hate.

+1.  30 Rock was teh awesome.  So sad it's over.  At least it's on Netflix.

When 30 Rock was canceled, I cried like a big dumb homo...

The only thing that I ever go to NBC for is Parks and Rec. Once that's gone, I can't see my self bothering with them again.

I think SNL hate is hilarious.

jdjoker: red5ish: Jimmy Fallon would be funnier if they dipped him in liquid nitrogen and dropped him off a ten-story building.

Nah. He'd start cracking up halfway, just like he did in every SNL sketch ever.

Are you guys a Vaudeville team?

A washed up has-been revitalizing a last-place network?  Well, it worked for UBS.

Guntram Shatterhand: Not to mention this is the same genius company that saw the writing on the wall regarding their Thursday Night lineup (which they dominated for a few decades) and simply let it go to pot.

I find NBC's Thursday Night line-up to be interesting. NBC dominated that night, but I think what really killed the channel is that Frasier, Friends, and Will and Grace all called it quits within a few years of each other. Granted, I actually think the Office, My name is Earl, 30 Rock, P&R, etc. Thursday nights have been much better and will stand up much better in the long run, but I think the channel traded off ratings domination for more niche comedy.

Guntram Shatterhand: FirstNationalBastard: Decillion: FirstNationalBastard: That's only because they screwed Dick Wolf and canceled Law and Order classic because of the Leno fiasco!

Wait, Leno's to blame for that too!?

Leno is to blame for pretty much everything that happened since 2009.

His failure of a 10 PM show meant that shows in established 10 PM timeslots, like Law and Order, got bounced around and canceled, shows like Southland got screwed because 10 PM slots were no longer available, and NBC as a whole suffered and never really recovered because of all the bad press.

/of course, shows like Chuck survived and got additional seasons because of Leno's cancellation, so at least one show's fanbase was grateful to Leno and NBC's stupidity.

I'm not a fan of Leno (because I like comedy), but the reason NBC collapsed is because it believed its own hype.  Who the fark sinks their entire network because of some late night talk show host?  Even if it's cheap as all hell, you're placing your entire venture on Jay farkING Leno.  It's insane to a degree that would devalue the network so much that Comcast could walk in and take it over.  Not to mention this is the same genius company that saw the writing on the wall regarding their Thursday Night lineup (which they dominated for a few decades) and simply let it go to pot.

I wouldn't blame NBC so much as I would blame Jeff Zucker.  He's the guy who decided the development doesn't matter and decided that getting a 1.4-1.6 out of Jay at 10:00 would be okay because the show is cheap without realizing what it would do to the affiliates.  He also decided that instead of making new comedies, he'd just "super-size" the old ones.  Both of those decisions left NBC with basically zero development over two whole seasons, which is one of the big reasons they're struggling now.

notmtwain: I've seen several good Saturday NIght Live shows recently.  It's got a pretty good cast now and the skits they repeat are actually somewhat funny/ not too painful.

Melissa McCarthy was great as host the other night and Justin Timberlake scored on his fifth time hosting when they rolled out Steve Martin, Paul Simon, Dan Akroyd, Alec Baldwin, Chevy Chase, Martin Short, Tom Hanks, Candice Bergen and Jay-Z.

I just watched both of those eps yesterday. I had some pretty hearty laughs. I'm loving this cast.

I still haven't gotten over Studio 60 getting shiatcanned while 30 Rock got greenlit for more seasons.

The justice is that Tina Fey will never have a movie hit because she Tina Feyed her career. It's why 30 Rock was always in 60th place in the TV ratings. No, not because people watched it online.

And people that are still blaming Leno for Conan's fail don't know what they are talking about. You will see a fail replay with Fallon. Fallon will die hard and fast at 11:30.

You going to blame Leno for Conan's tiny ratings on TBS? Conan is funny but he is a niche product, just like Fallon is. NBC seems to think they are going to get SNL six nights a week now.
Saturday night is a different audience.

FirstNationalBastard: douchebag/hater: I know Michaels gets a lot of love from certain former cast members but in the books I've read about SNL (3) he always comes across as a manipulative prick who  works to make the actors' lives miserable.

After the success of The Blues Brothers and some other SNL-Based movies, didn't he basically make all castmembers indentured servants who had to go through his production company if they wanted to be in films?

I think you're right about this.

CaptainBeer: a manipulative prick who makes works to make the actors' lives miserable:

English. You has it

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Wow. What an honour.

In related news, there was a Nazi head of state after Hitler.