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(Opposing Views)   More than 700 educators from one particular state decided to better themselves this weekend. Did they do it by a.) Taking advanced math classes, b.) Researching teaching methods utilized in Europe, or c.) Attending a free gun class? Hint: Texas   (opposingviews.com ) divider line
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2013-04-07 01:19:24 PM  
"Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.
 
2013-04-07 01:33:45 PM  
Good for them.
A) Advanced math classes would have been good.
B) I live in Europe. Teaching methods here are for shiat. You know not of what you speak.
C) Attending free gun class. Excellent. Ignorant gun users generally cause more problems.

Texas rocks. I miss home.
 
2013-04-07 01:37:16 PM  
Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?
 
2013-04-07 01:51:35 PM  
And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.
 
2013-04-07 01:52:42 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?


There's nothing much to gun in theory. It makes a piece of metal go fast out the tube in the front.

Feeding, care, and maintenance are all different in the technical bits, but safe handling's universal:

1. Only point it at things you don't mind putting a bullet through.
2. Always assume it's loaded.
3. It's a tool, not a toy.

Follow those rules and you're gonna be a good owner.
 
2013-04-07 01:56:03 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.


What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?
 
2013-04-07 01:56:46 PM  
It's best to know the difference between your rifle and your gun.

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2013-04-07 01:57:13 PM  

tudorgurl: There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids.



My old physics teacher was a gun lover. I think he'd have liked to have his gun in the classroom. He was a hoot. Really super responsible, but very old school on safety regs. He let us in the AP class play with liquid nitrogen and live Tesla coils. Fun fun fun.
 
2013-04-07 01:57:31 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?


Aggressive negotiations?
 
2013-04-07 02:07:20 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?


The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.
 
2013-04-07 02:16:04 PM  
Teachers who are willing to kill a killer are acquiring training to improve their marketability and value.  I fully expect to see union contracts that provide extra pay for teachers who qualify for and assume such responsibilities.  Recruitment ads that say, "gun training preferred" will happen, too.

If the guns are locked in a safe somewhere, their applications will be limited.  Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.  That's not going to happen. Compromise will happen.
 
2013-04-07 02:17:27 PM  
Subby. Wtf are you taking about? Why would they want to learn teaching methods used in Europe?
 
2013-04-07 02:17:28 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?


See George Carlin's bit on "civil" war.
 
2013-04-07 02:18:27 PM  
The last thing we want are armed people in a public setting. Man, what a bunch of scaredy cats.

The bravest people in the world don't use guns.

You don't need a gun to protect yourself.

/not serious

// maybe it's not so black and white
 
2013-04-07 02:21:03 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.


But why are we hardening schools against freak accidents like spree shootings. Even though they're increasing in number a little bit, they're still super rare and there's so many other important issues that need taken care of before we go full Spartan and just give all the kids spears and leave them outside in the nude for seven years to harden up.

Getting doglover set up with a nice advisory gig with benefits for example, would be a great problem for the government to tackle.
 
2013-04-07 02:37:55 PM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

But why are we hardening schools against freak accidents like spree shootings.


Our fractal system of government creates a myriad of ever-smaller laboratories in which all kinds of experiments can be conducted.  The most dangerous experiments are conducted in the smallest labs, like schools, in case they explode.  If it works in schools, it will be rolled up the ladder to larger labs.  If it explodes, the damage will be limited to someone else's kid(s).
 
2013-04-07 02:53:28 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: , a gun should be on every teacher's hip.


ready to be taken by a kid with a single suckerpunch.
 
2013-04-07 02:56:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.


Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.
 
2013-04-07 03:04:01 PM  
>>The class, organized by former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle (before his death)

Ya think?
 
2013-04-07 03:04:34 PM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

But why are we hardening schools against freak accidents like spree shootings. Even though they're increasing in number a little bit, they're still super rare and there's so many other important issues that need taken care of before we go full Spartan and just give all the kids spears and leave them outside in the nude for seven years to harden up.

Getting doglover set up with a nice advisory gig with benefits for example, would be a great problem for the government to tackle.


Because the handful of kids, tragically, killed once in a blue moon at a school is worse than the thousands of inner-city shootings that occur every year.  It's another fringe emotional issue intended to distract.
 
2013-04-07 03:06:08 PM  
Yep. The people who suck diane feinstein's dick are already here.
 
2013-04-07 03:07:37 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?


20 minutes of "this is the trigger, and this is what you point at what you want to die" followed by two hours of telling you how the Kenyan Usurper is coming to take it from you.  What more could they need?
 
2013-04-07 03:08:29 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.


I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.
 
2013-04-07 03:09:51 PM  

Great_Milenko: ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?

20 minutes of "this is the trigger, and this is what you point at what you want to die" followed by two hours of telling you how the Kenyan Usurper is coming to take it from you.  What more could they need?


You've never been to a gun safety class, have you?  Your ignorance on the topic shines though.
 
2013-04-07 03:10:24 PM  
Man, our decision to homeschool pays off yet again!
 
2013-04-07 03:10:46 PM  

12349876: BarkingUnicorn: , a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

ready to be taken by a kid with a single suckerpunch.


^ stupid people believe this is how the world works
 
2013-04-07 03:11:23 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Yep. The people who suck diane feinstein's dick are already here


I'm sure they'll extol her knowledge on subjects she deems intelligent enough to legislate.

Oh, she said this week something to the effect: "If video game makers don't regulate themselves on violence and shooting, we'll do it for them."

Are threats, ignorance and some perverted sense of superiority the only thing this women has going for her?
 
2013-04-07 03:13:36 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?
 
2013-04-07 03:15:23 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


So you'd just let the kids get trapped in the room and shot? Heres the thing, we have tons of rules about fire protection and suppression systems for schools. It has to be addressed in the design and materials the building is made from. You have to have an exit within a certain number of feet of the classroom door, and sprinkers, and fire-resistant rated partitions, detectors, monitoring, etc.....

But we do absolutely nothing about securing our schools against physical violence. Yet we live in a country where in some major cities 90% of the gun violence is gang related and is occuring in the neighborhoods near the schools and school children are being killed.

Google cannot find me any news stories about children being killed in a fire at a school in 2012. Yet we havent banned fire or flammables or the use of natural gas or ignition temperature electric heat or overloaded circuits or any of the other hundred things that could cause a fire.

BECAUSE WE DESIGNED THE SCHOOLS TO RESIST FIRE

BUT WE HAVENT BOTHERED TO DESIGN SCHOOLS TO RESIST GUNFIRE

Despite the fact that inner city schools are surrounded by gang related gun homicides. Take crazy school shooters out of it and just for one second consider that you might design a school to be secure and gun resistant just to protect the kids from street violence that could spill over into the classroom. Most school shooters are students at the school they attack. But more school kids are wounded by gunfire that originates from gang related gun violence.

Minimum secure campus guidelines should dictate that all exterior doors have a positive close to latch function with exterior locks and interior release alarms. That there be an armed security guard either on campus or within a 2 minute response. That doesnt mean someone sitting in the school with a gun in every case, but could mean that local law enforcement places an officer on campus or within a block on rotational assignment. In our school district it means that there is a Sheriffs Deputy on duty at the High School. We are working on a rotating patrol assignment for a second deputy to monitor the middle schools. Finally you should have locking classroom doors and security drills to teach the staff how to lockdown the school within seconds of an alarm.

The sad fact is that Teachers are resisting this measures for political reasons. It is simply more important to you to perform as a political tool than it is to protect the kids.
 
2013-04-07 03:17:05 PM  

MichiganFTL: jehovahs witness protection: Yep. The people who suck diane feinstein's dick are already here

I'm sure they'll extol her knowledge on subjects she deems intelligent enough to legislate.

Oh, she said this week something to the effect: "If video game makers don't regulate themselves on violence and shooting, we'll do it for them."

Are threats, ignorance and some perverted sense of superiority the only thing this women has going for her?


She probably has a pretty big dick.
 
2013-04-07 03:18:08 PM  

knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?


Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.
 
2013-04-07 03:20:06 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.


Hows about cultivating an awareness of campus security, including locking doors and maybe even preparing a deterrent weapon for use against an aggressor?  Because that is really what the teachers union is resisting at the moment. Teachers and schools conform to a national fire safety code that requires stringent building quality and fire response standards, yet when you ask them to do something as simple as trigger an alarm, secure their classroom door, and keep the kids otu of sight while an armed security guard responds.....suddenly they are all up in arms and wont move a finger to assist.

Its sheer political tooldom. They understand that this issue is important to their political party so they are locking step and leaving the kids defenseless.

Its a dangerous hypocrisy.
 
JVD
2013-04-07 03:21:35 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?


Don't bring safety scissors to a gun fight.
 
2013-04-07 03:21:36 PM  

GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.


Your solution is a one sided shoot out.  Like dodgeball.....except they dont teach that in schools anymore either, so the kids might just stand there waiting for a participation trophy.
 
2013-04-07 03:21:58 PM  

archichris: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

Hows about cultivating an awareness of campus security, including locking doors and maybe even preparing a deterrent weapon for use against an aggressor?  Because that is really what the teachers union is resisting at the moment. Teachers and schools conform to a national fire safety code that requires stringent building quality and fire response standards, yet when you ask them to do something as simple as trigger an alarm, secure their classroom door, and keep the kids otu of sight while an armed security guard responds.....suddenly they are all up in arms and wont move a finger to assist.

Its sheer political tooldom. They understand that this issue is important to their political party so they are locking step and leaving the kids defenseless.

Its a dangerous hypocrisy.


Why don't you become a teacher then, smart guy?
 
2013-04-07 03:22:03 PM  

Well see, this is what happens when you have a tiny dick, rarely have sex, and are lousy at it when you do.


Or so they say here.
 
2013-04-07 03:22:19 PM  

GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.


Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00
 
2013-04-07 03:24:18 PM  
This is simple. More gun free zone signs, we extend the area outside schools that are gun free further and put up more signs. This new law will stop shooters from entering the zone and if they miss the first sign, they'll surely see more and come to their senses.
 
2013-04-07 03:25:46 PM  

GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00


If you added "holding a useless defensive object wile whimpering" you'd basically have Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th.
 
2013-04-07 03:28:26 PM  

MichiganFTL: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

If you added "holding a useless defensive object wile whimpering" you'd basically have Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th.


The difference is that "hiding in the corner of the room, huddled together" is taught to teachers. Why people believe doing absolutely nothing is the best thing to do in a school shooting is beyond me.
 
2013-04-07 03:29:59 PM  

GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00


Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.
 
2013-04-07 03:32:02 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.


So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!
 
2013-04-07 03:32:37 PM  
I'll mark the follow-up on this story to natural selection.
 
2013-04-07 03:33:02 PM  

tudorgurl: There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults.


They wouldn't need the presence of mind since a CCW implies a weapon on someone's person.
 
2013-04-07 03:34:20 PM  
Good.  Let this happen.  Will it prevent a school shooting?  I don't know.  The biggest advantage shooters had in past school shootings was that there was no one in the schools who were armed.  You just had rooms full of people who are cowering in fear and not armed.  I've played enough first person shooters to know that a room like that on a map is just a chance to rack up your frag count.  Equalize the playing field by arming the teachers who want to be armed, and that might actually prevent a school shooting.  And honestly, if arming half the teachers in a school can prevent a school shooting, was arming the teachers a bad thing.

As for those who don't like guns or the idea of a teacher being armed, shut up and get over it.  I've used guns before.  When loaded, do you know when the gun is dangerous?  When there is a finger on the trigger.  Guns don't go off because you drop them.  Never seen it happen outside of a movie or tv show.  A gun in a holster, even if loaded, isn't dangerous.  A gun isn't dangerous until a hand has gripped it and wrapped a finger around the trigger.  And I think that it's awesome that 700 teachers went to a class to reinforce or learn about guns.  I think that anyone who is even thinking about getting a gun should take a gun class first.  And arming the teachers isn't going to lead to a bunch of news stories about teachers gunning down students.  Not going to happen, even though that's the belief of the anti-gun crowd.
 
2013-04-07 03:34:32 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.


yes, if that person does not follow any of the basic rules of firearms. Always know what's beyond your target and wait for a clean shot, or, you don't take the shot.

How many times has the 'armed citizen' taken out innocent bystanders? Or are you basing this off Hollywood gun knowledge?
 
2013-04-07 03:35:53 PM  
Too bad Connecticut hadn't done the same thing. If so, that Lanza freak possibly could've been stopped with a bullet to the head at the front office.
 
2013-04-07 03:37:17 PM  

Sentry1407: Too bad Connecticut hadn't done the same thing. If so, that Lanza freak possibly could've been stopped with a bullet to the head at the front office.


yeah, then we'd have the same story from the grabbers. "School administrator shoots man showing up for show and tell. Guns are evil."
 
2013-04-07 03:38:28 PM  

archichris: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

Hows about cultivating an awareness of campus security, including locking doors and maybe even preparing a deterrent weapon for use against an aggressor?  Because that is really what the teachers union is resisting at the moment. Teachers and schools conform to a national fire safety code that requires stringent building quality and fire response standards, yet when you ask them to do something as simple as trigger an alarm, secure their classroom door, and keep the kids otu of sight while an armed security guard responds.....suddenly they are all up in arms and wont move a finger to assist.



Ever since Columbine, schools (at least in NJ) practice "Code C's" ever so often. An alarm is sounded or the principal makes an announcement, the teachers lock the doors, and all the kids hide in the corner while the police respond. You know, exactly what you just described.
 
2013-04-07 03:39:14 PM  

GUTSU: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!


Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.
 
2013-04-07 03:40:08 PM  
"tudor" the class isn't required. I think a gun in your hands would be a bigger danger to you thant the assailant.The "teacher" should be licensed  and allowed to carry the weapon,henceforth conceal and carry.ohh skip the "t"  in than. It's a shame that responsible students aren;t allowed to conceal and carry.Got a couple of boys in a little hick town where they know how to defend themselves without hurting as many kids  as the guy with a plan to. God LOVES TEXAS..
 
2013-04-07 03:40:44 PM  

MichiganFTL: yes, if that person does not follow any of the basic rules of firearms.


How many news stories of Responsible Gun Owners shooting themselves or their kids do you want me to link here?  And let's just pretend that the gun kept by the teacher will never be stolen and then used for a school shooting.  Why bother with acquisition and transportation?  You've got a gun sitting right there.
 
2013-04-07 03:42:11 PM  

GUTSU: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corn

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!


Hey Dummy - They don't use guns to slaughter cattle. How about you go study up and come back when you what you are talking about?

Making such a obvious blunder like this pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted.
 
2013-04-07 03:42:57 PM  

12349876: BarkingUnicorn: , a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

ready to be taken by a kid with a single suckerpunch.


Keep truncating comments until you get what you want.
 
2013-04-07 03:45:02 PM  
GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?
 
2013-04-07 03:45:15 PM  

GAT_00: MichiganFTL: yes, if that person does not follow any of the basic rules of firearms.

How many news stories of Responsible Gun Owners shooting themselves or their kids do you want me to link here?  And let's just pretend that the gun kept by the teacher will never be stolen and then used for a school shooting.  Why bother with acquisition and transportation?  You've got a gun sitting right there.


unfortunately there aren't news stories for the 350 million guns in the US this year that are handled responsibly and don't injure anyone, or I'd link those. Maybe, like CCW users, these people had to take training and continuing education classes, there'd be less chance? Yes, there are stupid people who do things with guns, but just like drunk drivers, we don't ban cars from bars to keep people safe. The VAST majority treat firearms with proper respect, but you don't hear about it.

How often do people with a CCW have their gun stolen and taken on a shooting spree? And there's more CCW holders than teachers in this country.
 
2013-04-07 03:45:45 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.


I agree. This is a great way to smoke out nutjobs and get them out of classrooms.  If I was principal and saw, "gun safety certified" on a teacher's resume', I'd choose the other resume' with all its misspellings.
 
2013-04-07 03:46:32 PM  

RickN99: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.


Defend themselves against what exactly? Please tell us more about this fantastical world where school librarians experience credible and even probable threat of being assaulted or murdered.

The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.
 
2013-04-07 03:47:06 PM  

noitsnot: GUTSU: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corn

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!

Hey Dummy - They don't use guns to slaughter cattle. How about you go study up and come back when you what you are talking about?

Making such a obvious blunder like this pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted.


he's a human, not a dummy. I haven't met a dummy, doll, or mannequin that's posted on fark, so you're blunder in identification invalidates your post.
 
2013-04-07 03:47:27 PM  

noitsnot: GUTSU: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corn

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!

Hey Dummy - They don't use guns to slaughter cattle. How about you go study up and come back when you what you are talking about?

Making such a obvious blunder like this pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted.


I live in the country, and I assure you people shoot cattle when they want them slaughtered. Unless you think every rural farmer sends their cows off to a slaughter house.
 
2013-04-07 03:47:30 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


Sounds like you're the one living in fear.
 
2013-04-07 03:47:58 PM  
Oh, look, it's this thread again.
Again.
Again.

The usual nimrods will claim that adding more firearms to a place where they shouldn't be is a better solution than keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally ill people in the first place. Because 2nd Ammendment[sic].

/I wonder how many Texas school staff members will shoot themselves or somebody else this time around.
 
2013-04-07 03:48:30 PM  

tylerdurden217: RickN99: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.

Defend themselves against what exactly? Please tell us more about this fantastical world where school librarians experience credible and even probable threat of being assaulted or murdered.

The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.


actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?
 
2013-04-07 03:50:14 PM  
MichiganFTL:
actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?


Shhh, don't ruin his dreams of being right.
 
2013-04-07 03:51:31 PM  

Yogimus: 12349876: BarkingUnicorn: , a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

ready to be taken by a kid with a single suckerpunch.

^ stupid people believe this is how the world works


How did youdisarm your teachers?
 
2013-04-07 03:51:57 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


Thank you thank you thank you. THIS to infinity.
 
2013-04-07 03:52:11 PM  

knbwhite: Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?


Pro-Choice is only cool with liberals when it involves abortion. Other choice that they deem unsatisfactory is not allowed - such as large sodas, CCW, salt, etc.

It's the same tired attitude that rubs people the wrong way - "We know better than you what is good for you". Suggest otherwise and you get branded a "nut", while they pack their kids away to private schools that have armed security or at least cost enough money to keep most of the "problem" kids away that might cause an issue.
 
2013-04-07 03:52:25 PM  

MichiganFTL: tylerdurden217: RickN99: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.

Defend themselves against what exactly? Please tell us more about this fantastical world where school librarians experience credible and even probable threat of being assaulted or murdered.

The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?


Try matching that against the decrease in percentage of households with firearms and get back to me, troll.
 
2013-04-07 03:54:21 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: MichiganFTL: tylerdurden217: RickN99: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.

Defend themselves against what exactly? Please tell us more about this fantastical world where school librarians experience credible and even probable threat of being assaulted or murdered.

The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?

Try matching that against the decrease in percentage of households with firearms and get back to me, troll.


keep moving the goalposts. He said more guns = more murder, I disproved that. You have to move goalposts. Standard tactic. So you'll still concede that with more guns in the hands of less households, we have less murder? So does that mean we've disarmed a good amount of bad people already?
 
2013-04-07 03:55:13 PM  
Lets just do away with schools all together. Spend education money on high-speed internet connections and laptops and classrooms can just be skype-like chatrooms of any size.

/de-centralize, man
 
2013-04-07 03:57:29 PM  
Self reported gun ownership in us is highest in 20 years

So, according to Gallup, we have more guns in the us than 20 years ago, more households with guns than in 20 years and a murder rate on the decline.

Where shall we move the goalposts next?
 
2013-04-07 03:57:30 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: MichiganFTL: tylerdurden217: RickN99: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.

Defend themselves against what exactly? Please tell us more about this fantastical world where school librarians experience credible and even probable threat of being assaulted or murdered.

The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?

Try matching that against the decrease in percentage of households with firearms and get back to me, troll.


In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.
 
2013-04-07 04:03:30 PM  
Clearly, the sensible way to minimize school shooting casualties is NOT to get mentally ill people the help they need, or at least make it harder for the mentally ill to acquire firearms. It's to turn our schools into farking fortresses.

But hey, if preventing a lunatic from acquiring a gun makes ME have to do a little more paperwork before I can add another toy to my collection, we might as well be living in North Korea.
 
2013-04-07 04:03:37 PM  

MichiganFTL: The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?

Try matching that against the decrease in percentage of households with firearms and get back to me, troll.

keep moving the goalposts. He said more guns = more murder, I disproved that. You have to move goalposts. Standard tactic. So you'll still concede that with more guns in the hands of less households, we have less murder? So does that mean we've disarmed a good amount of bad people already?


Moving goalposts? They haven't changed position. Try reading comprehension.

Fewer armed households means fewer readily available firearms in households with mentally ill people.
 
2013-04-07 04:04:23 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I agree. This is a great way to smoke out nutjobs and get them out of classrooms.  If I was principal and saw, "gun safety certified" on a teacher's resume', I'd choose the other resume' with all its misspellings.


Wow what a fantastic strawman.  Apparently, if someone hasn't declared you "gun safety certified," you're illiterate.  Huh.  Who knew?
 
2013-04-07 04:05:16 PM  

GUTSU: In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.


Well by God I'm sure glad you've got all those imagined facts on your side.  I'm totally farking convinced now!
 
2013-04-07 04:07:14 PM  
Good to see all the rational arguments Fark is notorious for.
 
2013-04-07 04:07:37 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.

Well by God I'm sure glad you've got all those imagined facts on your side.  I'm totally farking convinced now!


Once again showing GAT_00's ability to be well-reasoned and able to discuss things in a pleasant, well-informed manner. Is there ever a time when you're willing to discuss and NOT attack the other side?
 
2013-04-07 04:09:37 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: MichiganFTL: The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?

Try matching that against the decrease in percentage of households with firearms and get back to me, troll.

keep moving the goalposts. He said more guns = more murder, I disproved that. You have to move goalposts. Standard tactic. So you'll still concede that with more guns in the hands of less households, we have less murder? So does that mean we've disarmed a good amount of bad people already?

Moving goalposts? They haven't changed position. Try reading comprehension.

Fewer armed households means fewer readily available firearms in households with mentally ill people.


but there are more households with firearms now than anytime in the past 20 years... Or we can now devolve into throwing statistics compiled from 500 robocalls trying to portray all of America. We trust cops and Beyonce's entourage with firearms and barely a high school education, but (mainly) college educated erudite educators cannot be trusted?
 
2013-04-07 04:09:49 PM  
The derp on both sides of this issue is astounding.  'Background checks only hurt law abiding citizens' on one side and 'armed school personnel can't stop a shooter' on the other.
 
2013-04-07 04:10:05 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.

Well by God I'm sure glad you've got all those imagined facts on your side.  I'm totally farking convinced now!


In this political climate, would you answer a phone survey or a door to door survey, and tell them you owned guns? I wouldn't.

Besides, you're just using my comment so you can avoid answering other peoples. But don't worry GAT_00, I'm sure there will be another school shooting soon. You'd like a few hundred more bodies to use as political capital, wouldn't you?
 
2013-04-07 04:10:43 PM  
Schools built in the past ten years (perhaps even twenty) have, by and large, been built to be cheap and look innovative. But when you actually walk around in them, look at the poor design and bargain materials, you realize taxpayers got a mediocre product in return for their premium dollars. This is an example of a school made of mostly stucco, with poor interior design. Weak wooden doors, large windows in classroom doors that allow shooters to fire at will with non-bulletproof "glass", poor escape routes, walls that cannot stop any bullets. you can clearly see the cheap materials in the picture.

Contrast it with the schools built after the 1976 earthquakes that took down a lot of CA schools. They were rebuilt to be basically fortresses like this one . solid concrete structure, walls at least a foot thick of concrete and rebar, steel reinforced solid wood doors with 4x4 windows in the doors that make it very hard for shooters to shoot into the room. wide escape routes. supposedly it was built by the same people that built the men's county jail. not pretty, but very well built.

If people were genuinely interested in protecting kids it wouldn't just be about arming teachers - and believe me I see the drawbacks to both sides of the argument. it would foremost be about how we can design schools to be more protective of its students. but that kind of talk isn't as interesting, is it?
 
2013-04-07 04:12:15 PM  
I fail to see how this is any different than having them learn CPR.  Just because you have weapons safety training doesn't mean you are packing a loaded weapon with the mindset of grabbing it at the drop of a hat.  It's useful knowledge that every teacher should know in the unlikely event someone does bring a gun to school.
 
2013-04-07 04:12:59 PM  
As long as schools are soft targets producing the maximum angst production, you will have atrocities du jour.
The way to prevent this is hardly to disarm the law abiding population. And certainly withholding education and training from the probable combatants is a fantastic false flag LIE! Hold the asshats suggesting this responsible if you really and actually want to control guns OR reduce gun assisted murder.
It is an obvious LIE and derptastic recruitment tool for the few, the panicked(A sudden, overpowering terror, often affecting many people at once), the chickenchit citizenry to fly the flag of compassion when your agenda is far, far and away from that.

As long as YOU are a soft target, you will fail to do your duty for you, your family members and any support group silly enough to have you.

Get an education! Especially about guns, if that is your fear.
 
2013-04-07 04:13:19 PM  

GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?


What it boils down to is that people don't trust children and teachers together when guns are around.  Can't imagine why.

http://www.nea.org/home/42238.htm

"According the U.S. Department of Education, 127,120 (4 percent) public school teachers (K-12) were physically attacked at school-hit, kicked, bitten, slapped, stabbed or shot-during the 2007-08 school year. Another 222,460 teachers (7 percent) were threatened by students with acts of violence."

IDK what's more common:  teachers banging students or teachers banging on students.
 
2013-04-07 04:14:10 PM  

tudorgurl: Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids.We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this.


Half of my professors were veterans. Several had seen actual combat in Vietnam - a school shooter running into an armed Dr. P would have been hilarious.
 
2013-04-07 04:16:33 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: MichiganFTL:

Fewer armed households means fewer readily available firearms in households with mentally ill people.


What an incredibly stupid association to make.
I am impressed at the lengths fools will go to in the effort to demonize their fantasy.
 
2013-04-07 04:16:36 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


It's not about fear, it's about empowering individuals to defend themselves and those around them. From my perspective, you are the one who is living in fear... it looks like you believe that every person is a potential sociopath, that we must keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens just in case, that the police will protect you.
 
2013-04-07 04:16:43 PM  

LordJiro: Clearly, the sensible way to minimize school shooting casualties is NOT to get mentally ill people the help they need, or at least make it harder for the mentally ill to acquire firearms. It's to turn our schools into farking fortresses.

But hey, if preventing a lunatic from acquiring a gun makes ME have to do a little more paperwork before I can add another toy to my collection, we might as well be living in North Korea.


We live in a country where denying people medical care, personal control over their own bodily functions, and blaming everyone else for our problems rather than seeking to improve ourselves is the status quo. We live in a country where we take the short-sited, emotional knee-jerk approach towards solving problems rather than playing the long game, and ending up farking ourselves at every turn for it. We are also a society where our answer to every social ill is to throw money at it for a while, and follow up with absolutely no administration or follow-through.

We have managed to create two systems which are great in theory: medicare and social security. Even though it's worked out so far, what we end up with is once again a failure to accept the long-term needs of such systems and appropriately plan for growth and change of our population.

Maybe if we unfarked ourselves a little bit and spent more time looking at how best to make sure our citizens were able to get educations, how best to ensure businesses were prosperous and healthy while still paying their fair share of taxes, and how to maximize our advantage of selling to other nations rather than becoming relentless consumers, we might be in a different position right now.

As it stands, I fully expect that Each and every time a nutjob commits an atrocious act, it'll be condemned, and they'll find some way to use it to blame inanimate objects instead of for once admitting that we've failed these individuals by ignoring the problems that we should recognize as part of the oft-lauded "social contract".
 
2013-04-07 04:17:41 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.


Your gun rhetoric is sounding akin to the teabaggers' rationalization and fear-mongering. I would watch out if I were you.
 
2013-04-07 04:17:59 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I agree. This is a great way to smoke out nutjobs and get them out of classrooms.  If I was principal and saw, "gun safety certified" on a teacher's resume', I'd choose the other resume' with all its misspellings.

Wow what a fantastic strawman.  Apparently, if someone hasn't declared you "gun safety certified," you're illiterate.  Huh.  Who knew?


lolwut?
 
2013-04-07 04:18:08 PM  

MichiganFTL:  Or we can now devolve into throwing statistics compiled from 500 robocalls trying to portray all of America. We trust cops and Beyonce's entourage with firearms and barely a high school education, but (mainly) college educated erudite educators cannot be trusted?


No.
I know plenty of college-educated people who cannot be trusted with firearms, or cars, or sharp knives, or pet fish, or children, or crayons, or bubble wrap. Since bullet-launchers occupy that special category of specifically designed to inflict massive bleeding trauma, book-learnin' is not a factor in the operator's trustworthiness. There is no reason to increase to the probability of schoolchildren  becoming victims of Firearm-Unlucky Sudden Onset Bullethole Syndrome (F-U SOBs).
 
2013-04-07 04:18:55 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.


You got a perfect hit on the straw man in just one shot, so there's always a chance.
 
2013-04-07 04:19:08 PM  

Bravo Two: GAT_00: GUTSU: In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.

Well by God I'm sure glad you've got all those imagined facts on your side.  I'm totally farking convinced now!

Once again showing GAT_00's ability to be well-reasoned and able to discuss things in a pleasant, well-informed manner. Is there ever a time when you're willing to discuss and NOT attack the other side?


I stopped being civil to NRA types a long time ago once I realized they had no respect for me or any position I held.  Why bother treating someone with anything but disdain when you know it's never occurred to them to respect you?  That, and I'm not real big on being nice to people who see kids dying pointlessly and think "Yeah, everything looks good and free here.  Just the world I want to live in."
 
2013-04-07 04:19:31 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

What it boils down to is that people don't trust children and teachers together when guns are around.  Can't imagine why.

http://www.nea.org/home/42238.htm

"According the U.S. Department of Education, 127,120 (4 percent) public school teachers (K-12) were physically attacked at school-hit, kicked, bitten, slapped, stabbed or shot-during the 2007-08 school year. Another 222,460 teachers (7 percent) were threatened by students with acts of violence."i

IDK what's more common:  teachers banging students or teachers banging on students.


I personally don't have a problem with a teacher shooting a student if they are shooting at them or stabbing them. But that probably makes me heartless, the kid probably had a tough time growing up and needed another participation trophy.
 
2013-04-07 04:22:22 PM  
I blame the "one shot, one kill" bullchit that the media/hollywood loves so farking much.
It just seems so cool.

Trust me on this, from IRW experience, the best way to not get shot in the first place, is to understand the weapon.
 
2013-04-07 04:24:50 PM  
tylerdurden217:
The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.
 
2013-04-07 04:25:16 PM  
This sure seems to be a great way to better the learning environment and make it safer.  Because there is almost nothing worse in this day and age than being as ignorant regarding firearms than those who could be against this instruction.
 
2013-04-07 04:25:52 PM  

archichris: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

So you'd just let the kids get trapped in the room and shot? Heres the thing, we have tons of rules about fire protection and suppression systems for schools. It has to be addressed in the design and materials the building is made from. You have to have an exit within a certain number of feet of the classroom door, and sprinkers, and fire-resistant rated partitions, detectors, monitoring, etc.....

But we do absolutely nothing about securing our schools against physical violence. Yet we live in a country where in some major cities 90% of the gun violence is gang related and is occuring in the neighborhoods near the schools and school children are being killed.

Google cannot find me any news stories about children being killed in a fire at a school in 2012. Yet we ...


demaL-demaL-yeH: MichiganFTL: tylerdurden217: RickN99: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

I think knowing how to defend yourself is a skill everyone in every profession should cultivate.  I guess teaching a 55-yo, 90-lb school librarian how to box would be an option, but I'm skeptical.

I'm a nutjob, I guess.

Defend themselves against what exactly? Please tell us more about this fantastical world where school librarians experience credible and even probable threat of being assaulted or murdered.

The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

actually, haven't murders decreased as guns have increased over the past 15 years?

Try matching that against the decrease in percentage of households with firearms and get back to me, troll.


How the Fark is that statement trolling?
 
2013-04-07 04:27:03 PM  
GAT_00:
I stopped being civil to NRA types a long time ago once I realized they had no respect for me or any position I held.  Why bother treating someone with anything but disdain when you know it's never occurred to them to respect you?  That, and I'm not real big on being nice to people who see kids dying pointlessly and think "Yeah, everything looks good and free here.  Just the world I want to live in."

Might as well back it in and roll back every freedom. Kids won't be dying pointlessly if everybody is confined to their own 10 by 10 cell with food, entertainment, and health care piped in. Extremely safe slavery beats dangerous freedom any day.
 
2013-04-07 04:28:40 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?


His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK
 
2013-04-07 04:29:26 PM  
*Opens class desk drawer*

This is my whiskey, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun.
 
2013-04-07 04:29:44 PM  

GAT_00: I stopped being civil to NRA types a long time ago once I realized they had no respect for me or any position I held. Why bother treating someone with anything but disdain when you know it's never occurred to them to respect you? That, and I'm not real big on being nice to people who see kids dying pointlessly and think "Yeah, everything looks good and free here. Just the world I want to live in."


I respect you and your position. However I don't link a person doing bad things with a need to control all gun owners, and I think it's kind of a knee-jerk position to take. I don't like kids getting killed, and if I had the ability I would have loved to do something to stop it from happening. I have worked in a school environment, and I look at the environment as one where as an adult it's my responsibility to protect the little asswipes.

However, what I don't get is why you apply the bad behavior of an individual who broke the law and committed a horrific crime to everyone who owns guns? Why is that even a logical position to you? I have a penis, does that mean because one guy goes out and rapes and mutilates a bunch of women, by association with the Club of the Penis, i'm also going to go out and rape and mutilate a bunch of women? Are we going to ban penises because a guy did that?

The biggest reason a lot of people fail to respect that opinion is because it's as nonsensical and illogical as banning booze because of the behavior of a few drunks, or banning cars because of the behavior of a few old people and women, or banning any other item because of the bad behavior of individuals.

Why can you not see that it makes more sense to look at the individual and his actions as heinous acts and look at what set him off in hopes of preventing these types of incidents from occurring rather than trying to force a restriction on tools which, in the 60-some-odd mass shootings in the past 50 years weren't used more than twice, and further deride people who are doing nothing illegal or unsafe in exercising their right to own firearms and their right to the pursuit of happiness in engaging in sport shooting, hunting, etc?

Here's another question: there've been a few deaths, suicides, caused by "Cyber-bullying" that leverage social networking sights in order to publicly shame and bring unwanted negative attention to people. Do we punish the people who committed such acts that resulted in the death of the person, or do we go out of our way to control and restrict social networking sights because they could be misused to cause deaths and therefore have no place in society? After all, the framers never envisioned such sites or technologies to begin with.
 
2013-04-07 04:30:41 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?

His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK


man you troll once and they don't let you forget it huh? That'll show me to leave the Bloody Mary mix in the fridge before fark'ing
 
2013-04-07 04:30:49 PM  

MichiganFTL: BarkingUnicorn: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

What it boils down to is that people don't trust children and teachers together when guns are around.  Can't imagine why.

http://www.nea.org/home/42238.htm

"According the U.S. Department of Education, 127,120 (4 percent) public school teachers (K-12) were physically attacked at school-hit, kicked, bitten, slapped, stabbed or shot-during the 2007-08 school year. Another 222,460 teachers (7 percent) were threatened by students with acts of violence."i

IDK what's more common:  teachers banging students or teachers banging on students.

I personally don't have a problem with a teacher shooting a student if they are shooting at them or stabbing them. But that probably makes me heartless, the kid probably had a tough time growing up and needed another participation trophy.


I really don't think arming teachers would make a difference when it comes to cases where the students are attacking the teachers.  Mainly because it would be a situation where even if the students where literally kicking the crap out of the teacher and pulled a knife, the teacher pulling out their gun and ending that student's life would be tough to justify, even in states where you have stand you ground laws.  The parents will still deny, even with video evidence, that their snow flake did anything wrong.  The school would still be sued for wrongful death, teacher fired, and the anti-gun nuts would martyr the dead student, even though he was physically attack a teacher with intent to kill.  Worse yet if the student were black or hispanic and the teacher white.  Even worse if the teacher were former military.

Truthfully, while I am in favor of teachers being armed, it's a situation where the solution is just the next problem.  Problem: School shootings.  Solution: arm the teachers who wish to be armed.  Problem: armed teachers.  When is it justifiable for them to pull their weapons? School shootings - of course.  A student assaults a teacher because they looked at the student the wrong way?
 
2013-04-07 04:32:55 PM  

BayouOtter: tylerdurden217:
The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.


This. People have killed each other since the beginning of mankind. it's not even a phenomenon confined to our species. The only thing that sets us apart is our ability to make tools, build things, and fool ourselves into thinking that we're somehow perfect if only it weren't for [insert tool/item here] causing bad things to happen.

I grow extremely tired of people that Look at humanity as some special race of god-beings that are perfect and unspoiled if only no guns, drugs, booze, whatever are around.
 
2013-04-07 04:37:43 PM  

GAT_00: Bravo Two: GAT_00: GUTSU: In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.

Well by God I'm sure glad you've got all those imagined facts on your side.  I'm totally farking convinced now!

Once again showing GAT_00's ability to be well-reasoned and able to discuss things in a pleasant, well-informed manner. Is there ever a time when you're willing to discuss and NOT attack the other side?

I stopped being civil to NRA types a long time ago once I realized they had no respect for me or any position I held.  Why bother treating someone with anything but disdain when you know it's never occurred to them to respect you?  That, and I'm not real big on being nice to people who see kids dying pointlessly and think "Yeah, everything looks good and free here.  Just the world I want to live in."


So settle it with the NRA rep on this thread.

All you're doing now is randomly attacking others over an imaginary enemy that only you seem to see.

/which might explain why you don't think others should be trusted with guns
 
2013-04-07 04:38:40 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.


Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who came to the school with enough weapons and ammo to quickly kill dozens of kids wasn't able to get the guns and the ammo in the first place?
 
2013-04-07 04:39:15 PM  

BayouOtter: Might as well back it in and roll back every freedom. Kids won't be dying pointlessly if everybody is confined to their own 10 by 10 cell with food, entertainment, and health care piped in. Extremely safe slavery beats dangerous freedom any day.


Keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill is infringing on your rights?
You must be nucking futs.

BayouOtter: I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.


Yup. Nucking futs. Making murder easier and the having the means to commit murder readily available does increase the murder rate, nimrod. The reverse is also true: Overall murders on annual basis have dropped almost 25% since the late 1990s gun ban.
 
2013-04-07 04:41:10 PM  

BayouOtter: tylerdurden217:
The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.


When will we require that all rocks/sticks be registered?
I mean, historically,,,,
 
2013-04-07 04:41:34 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who came to the school with enough weapons and ammo to quickly kill dozens of kids wasn't able to get the guns and the ammo in the first place?


Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who was farked up enough to believe that shooting up a school was a good idea had been able to get help and/or be detained by police before they were able to get violent?
 
2013-04-07 04:41:42 PM  

GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?


You believe it's preferable for psychotic people to have unqualified access to this type of weaponry than, say... to make any efforts to control access to guns. Why you believe that is unknown; maybe you love guns more than you love children?
 
2013-04-07 04:43:19 PM  

Bravo Two: Mambo Bananapatch: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who came to the school with enough weapons and ammo to quickly kill dozens of kids wasn't able to get the guns and the ammo in the first place?

Wouldn't it be nice if the  guy who was farked up enough to believe that shooting up a school was a good idea had been able to get help and/or be detained by police before they were able to get violent?


Yes! That too.
 
2013-04-07 04:44:09 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: BayouOtter: Might as well back it in and roll back every freedom. Kids won't be dying pointlessly if everybody is confined to their own 10 by 10 cell with food, entertainment, and health care piped in. Extremely safe slavery beats dangerous freedom any day.

Keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill is infringing on your rights?
You must be nucking futs.

BayouOtter: I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.

Yup. Nucking futs. Making murder easier and the having the means to commit murder readily available does increase the murder rate, nimrod. The reverse is also true: Overall murders on annual basis have dropped almost 25% since the late 1990s gun ban.


Well, that's good for you, and i'm glad that Australia is such a wonderful utopia for you guys. I'm not personally willing to give up the tools with which I hunt, train, and engage in sporting events with for the illusion of security. Thanks for your concern, though!
 
2013-04-07 04:46:32 PM  
demaL-demaL-yeH:
Keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill is infringing on your rights?
You must be nucking futs.


The comment was about freedoms, so address it more generally.

BayouOtter: I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.

Yup. Nucking futs. Making murder easier and the having the means to commit murder readily available does increase the murder rate, nimrod.


Sorry, but a guy with a sword in 1300 is gonna kill me as dead as a guy with a gun in 2013 as dead as a guy with a rock at the dawn of humanity. If anything, technology to prevent death and punish criminals have probably decreased the amount of murder, not to mention its a bit harder to kill women and the infirm because they don't need to be 6'5 hulks to heft a gun.

But whatever.

The reverse is also true: Overall murders on annual basis have dropped almost 25% since the late 1990s gun ban.

I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.
 
2013-04-07 04:46:44 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?

His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK


Then you should probably wait to use the term until he is actually doing it.
 
2013-04-07 04:47:12 PM  
C'mon, subby... everybody knows that educators aren't capable of passing advanced math classes.
 
2013-04-07 04:48:02 PM  

MichiganFTL: demaL-demaL-yeH: machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?

His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK

man you troll once and they don't let you forget it huh? That'll show me to leave the Bloody Mary mix in the fridge before fark'ing


I'd pity you because you live in Warren, but you're so far beyond redemption you deserve it.
 
2013-04-07 04:48:04 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?


That's what the problem students are for.
 
2013-04-07 04:50:32 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

You believe it's preferable for psychotic people to have unqualified access to this type of weaponry than, say... to make any efforts to control access to guns. Why you believe that is unknown; maybe you love guns more than you love children?


I'm all for improving the NICS system and related law enforcement database systems such that a run through the NICS is both nearly-instant and comprehensively able to catch people who have committed crimes in places that aren't necessarily efficient at putting that data into the national system.

I'm all for improving the requirements for background checks to require it for all purchases, and making it a free thing through a website. Log on, enter buyer info, run NICS info, and get approved/declined. Require retention of records, too.

I'm all for improving the health care system and requiring it to include mental health evaluations, and the creation of more comprehensive means of treating people with mental issues who are at risk of being violent.

I'm all for the creation of a process whereby citizens denied their right to own firearms for mental health reasons can appeal the findings and have their rights restored.

I'm not for artificial restrictions that won't stop bad behavior in the name of "possibly limiting the damgae done by the criminal."  It's both arbitrary and knee-jerk and doesn't do shiat of good.

While we're on the topic, let's discuss how you would like to improve our mental health system so that we can prevent the 60% of all gun deaths per year (suicides).  How do you propose that we reach out to and help people contemplating suicide? Having been there, I know that's fairly easy to spot and people who are thinking about it communicate a desire to do it and look for help.  Or don't you give a shiat about those people, along with kids killed by abuse and drunk driving, and only about the few who are killed by guns?
 
2013-04-07 04:50:34 PM  
Great Janitor: I've played enough first person shooters to know
 
2013-04-07 04:53:39 PM  

BayouOtter: I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.


Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.
 
2013-04-07 04:56:20 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: BayouOtter: I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.


Because all other types of crime are OK, as long as guns aren't involved, right?
 
2013-04-07 04:58:20 PM  
demaL-demaL-yeH:
Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.


Strong words. Really strong.
 
2013-04-07 05:03:01 PM  
Teachers getting "Free gun safety" courses? In Texas? And they complain they don't make enough?When I finished my teachers certification, and went to job fairs, 30-45 in line to be told they weren't hiring. What a crock.Now you gotta be on the watch for an old biddie w/a 22. Take the high ground, .45 ACP all the way.
 
2013-04-07 05:03:21 PM  

Bravo Two: demaL-demaL-yeH: BayouOtter: I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.

Because all other types of crime are OK, as long as guns aren't involved, right?


I don't know. Is ignoring, erasing constitutional rights a crime?
 
2013-04-07 05:04:33 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

You believe it's preferable for psychotic people to have unqualified access to this type of weaponry than, say... to make any efforts to control access to guns. Why you believe that is unknown; maybe you love guns more than you love children?


You're one of those people who don't believe we do background checks, aren't you? As for personal sales? I don't think the government should have a say in how my personal property although I do agree with them that it's illegal to sell to anyone disqualified from buying a firearm in the first place.

But you can believe anything you wish.
 
2013-04-07 05:07:02 PM  
Can we make it a crime to seize guns for the purpose of disarming the population to preclude political insurrection while calling it "Protecting Children"?
 
2013-04-07 05:08:20 PM  
Yes because the best country in the world should 'model' itself from the country it successfully broke chains from.
 
2013-04-07 05:08:44 PM  

doglover: My old physics teacher was a gun lover. I think he'd have liked to have his gun in the classroom. He was a hoot. Really super responsible, but very old school on safety regs. He let us in the AP class play with liquid nitrogen and live Tesla coils. Fun fun fun.


Our physics teacher brought in a short length of 2" PVC with iron rods in it and electromagnet windings around all but the top rim.  She put a cut-steel-pipe washer on the top, hit the button, and left a dent in the ceiling tile.
 
2013-04-07 05:09:09 PM  
Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.
 
2013-04-07 05:10:44 PM  
Just let the locals in each school district decide what they prefer.  The gun lovers and loathers will soon segregate themselves geographically and all will be at peace.

Separate but equally crazy.
 
2013-04-07 05:11:46 PM  

russsssman: Yes because the best country in the world should 'model' itself from the country it successfully broke chains from.


Why are you dragging North Korea into this?
 
2013-04-07 05:12:47 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.


Actually, a Fark multi-player shooting game would be fabulous!
 
2013-04-07 05:15:10 PM  
Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.
 
2013-04-07 05:18:25 PM  

Bravo Two: or banning cars because of the behavior of a few old people and women


Hey bub, leave us out of this. It's not just old people and women, you know. Plenty of us are sane, careful drivers ( and gun owners ). The rest of your post I agree with.
 
2013-04-07 05:18:26 PM  
Don't ya just know that the same people that want to grab guns for political agendas under the lie of "preventing" gun murder are the same same as those that believe TSA Theatre is some kind of "security".
Whatever do they gas normal peeps with to get them to swallow this bull?
How can this happen in good ol' USA?

Nope, I just can not believe that anything approaching a "consensus" believes this crap.
My fellow citizens are not that stupid!
Never mind, my pills are here.
 
2013-04-07 05:19:55 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


I agree with you almost completely.  I personally think that teachers need to be trained to teach, cops need to be trained to protect.   I can see having a cop on duty during school hours, many schools already do, but lets not arm the teachers.  Now if a teacher wants to learn to shoot, I think that's great. It's a great hobby that I enjoy myself, but it needs to stay a hobby and not brought to school.

No one would expect a cop to be able to teach reading to a dyslexic student, we shouldn't expect teachers to play cop either.
 
2013-04-07 05:21:36 PM  
So basically, we're trying to turn the USA into Israel. That'll play well with the Christian lobby.
 
2013-04-07 05:22:04 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.


I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?
 
2013-04-07 05:23:39 PM  

BayouOtter: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.

I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-04-07 05:38:59 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: sweet-daddy-2: Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.

Actually, a Fark multi-player shooting game would be fabulous!


But the blood wouldn't be real We need real blood. Let the games begin. And may the odds be forever in your favor.
 
2013-04-07 05:46:37 PM  
If they're from Texas, shouldn't they already know how to use a gun? Isn't it state law?

Better check their papers...
 
2013-04-07 05:49:02 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!

Why the fark are you completely incapable o ...


2nd Amendment, dikweed. MORE 2nd Amendment. Issue was settled in 1791. Shall Not Be Infringed.How come you're so afraid of the Second Amendment? If you're such a puss, how can you stand to look in the mirror?

Listen up, you pubic scrool educated tater tot ... it's not a gun problem at all. It's a  character problem. Guns are tools. Not Cause. But since you were pubic scrool educated you can't tell difference between the Static Object and what's needed to set the Static Object in motion.

A gun will lie on the table until eternity unmoved and unused until someone puts a finger in the trigger guard and pulls. The  object did not do that. The  object is inert. I doubt you get the point.

But ask yourself this, why in hell are both Congress and State school systems yelling kicking and screaming NO GUARDS FOR YOUR CHILDREN!! IT WILL DAMAGE THEM!! when Congress, the President, every Cabinet Official, every State House, every State Legislator and even shopping malls are guarded by armed response?

Are children disposable in their view? The evidence is crystal clear. No protection for our children, only for the Big Shots.

Ooooo ... I said shot.

Off to be sanctioned by a Union Teacher for me.

BTW - how come the Unions, those 'defenders' of the little guys - are silent on protecting children? Hmmm? But I already know the answer. You're the one who doesn't.
 
2013-04-07 05:54:08 PM  

cbuhler: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

I agree with you almost completely.  I personally think that teachers need to be trained to teach, cops need to be trained to protect.   I can see having a cop on duty during school hours, many schools already do, but lets not arm the teachers.  Now if a teacher wants to learn to shoot, I think that's great. It's a great hobby that I enjoy myself, but it needs to stay a hobby and not brought to school.

No one would expect a cop to be able to teach reading to a dyslexic student, we shouldn't expect teachers to play cop either.


How about being pro choice on teachers with guns?  Also, if we can't have police in every school consider this; when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

/please grade my semicolon use if you respond
//here is a spare colon if you don't have one lying around :
 
2013-04-07 05:59:31 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


One of the gems was a woman talking about her fear of firearms, her actually shooting a gun, and then her fantasizing about the teacher that jumps over the desk with a gun and saves the day.
 
2013-04-07 06:00:21 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: 2nd Amendment, dikweed. MORE 2nd Amendment. Issue was settled in 1791. Shall Not Be Infringed.How come you're so afraid of the Second Amendment? If you're such a puss, how can you stand to look in the mirror?


AHEM. Mandatory regular public inspection of arms and ammunition, registration, and reporting to the governor, Department of War, and the President. Mandatory training and qualification. Military regulations apply. Universal service.
Yeah, I'd go for that.

/But not the moronic, unregulated anarchy we have now.
 
2013-04-07 06:04:06 PM  

BayouOtter: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.

I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?


Wow, a reasonable Fark liberal. Where have y'all been hiding?
 
2013-04-07 06:07:06 PM  

12349876: BarkingUnicorn: , a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

ready to be taken by a kid with a single suckerpunch.


Don't be ridiculous.  If a kid alarms the teacher or approaches the wrong way, the teacher should just shoot him.

/school in Texas!
//eventually some red state mouth breather kid is gonna get shot for no reason and I can stop reading about this insanity
 
2013-04-07 06:09:17 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: BarkingUnicorn: sweet-daddy-2: Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.

Actually, a Fark multi-player shooting game would be fabulous!

But the blood wouldn't be real We need real blood. Let the games begin. And may the odds be forever in your favor.


Just slash a notch in your arm for every kill.
 
2013-04-07 06:13:06 PM  
ReverendJynxed:

If they're from Texas, shouldn't they already know how to use a gun? Isn't it state law?

I think Texas hospitals are required to euthanize newborns who can't demonstrate firearms proficiency.
 
2013-04-07 06:22:58 PM  
Teachers taking a concealed firearms course. It's like reading the news from some idiotic alien planet.
 
2013-04-07 06:34:26 PM  

BayouOtter: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.

I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?


Are you sure you're not confusing liberal with libertarian?
 
2013-04-07 06:35:44 PM  
Why don't we just give in completely to the NRA and secure all schools like maximum security prisons?  That's where we're heading with this.
 
2013-04-07 06:37:50 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Why don't we just give in completely to the NRA and secure all schools like maximum security prisons?  That's where we're heading with this.


Calm down. We're just having a national conversation in the wake of the Newtown shooting. Apparently all options are on the table.
 
2013-04-07 06:48:52 PM  

Lord Summerisle: Teachers taking a concealed firearms course. It's like reading the news from some idiotic alien planet.


Why?
 
2013-04-07 06:49:31 PM  

noitsnot: Hey Dummy - They don't use guns to slaughter cattle. How about you go study up and come back when you what you are talking about?


They don't use guns to slaughter cattle, really?
media.qcsupply.com
Then what's this?  Besides, I'm pretty sure Gutsu was referring more to the calm application of lethal force because it's not a fight, it's a slaughter, until the people have the means to resist effectively.
 
2013-04-07 06:51:32 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Why don't we just give in completely to the NRA and secure all schools like maximum security prisons?  That's where we're heading with this.


Both sides are idiots arguing who gets to man the towers.
 
2013-04-07 07:16:37 PM  

tudorgurl: find the key to the gun safe


You duct tape it between your shoulder blades.

Jeez, dude. Watch a movie.
 
2013-04-07 07:45:26 PM  
Well, this is it.  The thread that has convinced me to turn in my weapons.  I'll just be a defenseless victim, but people will like me more.  I don't know it I'll even be able to sleep tonight, just knowing that I have a gun safe with pistols, rifles and ammo in it.

*shudder*
 
2013-04-07 07:49:42 PM  

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


 Actually one of my teachers *was* a solider.

Nobody is forcing you to carry a gun, but there are people who would prefer to do so.

 Many of us grew up in houses with guns. It was still considered a place of safety and love that we fondly go back to visit during holidays.

 I am not sure why you think another person having a gun turns the place where they are at into an unsafe prison full of fear. You seem to live in more fear then the people you "feel sorry for". :\
 
2013-04-07 07:54:05 PM  
Knowing that the Teachers Union rank-and-file is armed to the teeth and quite proficient on the range will help those contract negotiations speed up, too.   And don't even think about taking more education money out of the budget.
 
2013-04-07 08:08:56 PM  

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.


Actually, usually the first shot, if it misses, causes the would be spree killer to put a bullet through their own head.

 There are many news stories out there and even more stories about where people just pulling out a gun is enough to defuse the situation.

This is all well documented. I cannot surmise a logical reason why you are ignoring it, except that it doesn't fit with your world view, so facts be damned.

/sigh.
 
2013-04-07 08:11:03 PM  

cuzsis: Actually one of my teachers *was* a solider.


I served with many who went on to become teachers. Not one of them sees a
need for or has any desire to have a firearm at school.

/And especially not in other people's hands.
 
2013-04-07 08:11:16 PM  
tudorgurl:  I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom.

Matrix-style kung fu?
 
2013-04-07 08:21:34 PM  

Firethorn: noitsnot: Hey Dummy - They don't use guns to slaughter cattle. How about you go study up and come back when you what you are talking about?

They don't use guns to slaughter cattle, really?
[media.qcsupply.com image 370x370]
Then what's this?  Besides, I'm pretty sure Gutsu was referring more to the calm application of lethal force because it's not a fight, it's a slaughter, until the people have the means to resist effectively.


HOLY SH*T THEY USE GUNS TO MAKE COOKIES

c.shld.net
 
2013-04-07 08:23:37 PM  

Abox: The derp on both sides of this issue is astounding.  'Background checks only hurt law abiding citizens' on one side and 'armed school personnel can't stop a shooter' on the other.


Just about everyone I know (minus the occasional crazy 1% and you get those everywhere) are completely *for* background checks. And wish the gov't made them better available to the average person.

/just throwing that out there, because this seems to be a common thought and I haven't seen it hold up to actual people.
 
2013-04-07 08:49:33 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?


I dunno, what are they trying to learn in the class?  The standard instructional portion regarding the legal underpinnings of CCP for certification takes about eight to ten hours.  If you want to actually get a license, you also have to demonstrate proficiency on a range, witnessed by a certified instructor.  That can take significantly longer depending how familiar you are with the mechanical aspects of operating a pistol -- you have to keep trying until you actually pass, which may require a lot of training or very little.

Ongoing instruction is a license renewal exam every 5 or 10 years, depending on your state.  Like a driver's license, except that you actually have to re-take the test every time.

What, exactly, are you thinking they're going to lose without further instruction than that?  It's, again, roughly the same as the certification process to drive a car in the US, which makes sense due to the danger inherent in the equipment being similar.  (Well, cars are a bit more dangerous, realistically, but close enough).
 
2013-04-07 08:55:08 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: cuzsis: Actually one of my teachers *was* a solider.

I served with many who went on to become teachers. Not one of them sees a
need for or has any desire to have a firearm at school.

/And especially not in other people's hands.


Always open to other opinions of course. I take it they have plans to keep their schools safe in the event of a shooter? And those plans *don't* involve locking doors and huddling in a corner (which has failed spectacularly in the past and resulted in lots of dead students.)

 Prevention would be good of course, with better mental health work ect... But you still want to plan for the actual event (kind of like, you do everything to prevent a fire, but you still have fire sprinklers in case a fire starts anyway.)

 Personally I think armed security guards would be better, but I can understand a teacher or two who wants to do a CCW (Utah already does this and has for over a decade I believe).

 The reason most people turn to guns to stop guns, is that's generally the only thing that has been proven to be successful in the long term. This is why our cops, soldiers and ect... all carry guns.

 Personally I'm not particular. If it results in the least amount of dead innocent victims I don't care if you serve the would be spree killer a bowl of lucky charms. If that works, great! Stock lucky charms in every classroom!
 
2013-04-07 09:05:30 PM  
Elementary school principal Lolita Looney

OMG...  Somewhere out there is a elementary school principal named Lolita Looney.
 
2013-04-07 09:13:08 PM  

knbwhite: cbuhler: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

I agree with you almost completely.  I personally think that teachers need to be trained to teach, cops need to be trained to protect.   I can see having a cop on duty during school hours, many schools already do, but lets not arm the teachers.  Now if a teacher wants to learn to shoot, I think that's great. It's a great hobby that I enjoy myself, but it needs to stay a hobby and not brought to school.

No one would expect a cop to be able to teach reading to a dyslexic student, we shouldn't expect teachers to play cop either.

How about being pro choice on teachers with guns?  Also, if we can't have police in every school consider this; when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

/please grade my semicolon use if you respond
//here is a spare c ...


I'll leave the semicolon grading to TudorGirl, she's better qualified.

I am not totally against choice for teachers I just don't think it's the best idea.  I am in Texas, work for a school, and know a lot of teachers.   Quite a few teachers around here do shoot, hunt, etc, but I don't think that any of them being armed would really accomplish much.

What I'm getting at more than anything is that the way most teachers think, how they work in the classroom, would be harmed if they had to worry about someone armed too.  Most teachers try to make their classroom a learning environment, a safe haven.  Adding guns to that would upset that environment for some students just the same as loud music or flashing lights would.  Most students would probably be indifferent to a gun in the room,  that have that at home now, but there will be some that will be uncomfortable and some that will be just too interested.  That's what would mess up the learning environment.   A teacher's job is to get through to all of his/her students and help them learn something.  Doing anything that can disrupt the class is probably not the best idea.
 
2013-04-07 09:38:38 PM  
I don't have a problem with this.

We want teachers to be ignorant about guns? Really?
 
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2013-04-07 09:38:50 PM  

tudorgurl: There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


And that's exactly why you just conceal carry it on your hip.

©
 
2013-04-07 09:42:06 PM  

GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.


What, you think it would be more useful to cultivate being a helpless victim and dying?
 
2013-04-07 09:45:54 PM  

Maul555: Elementary school principal Lolita Looney

OMG...  Somewhere out there is a elementary school principal named Lolita Looney.


And she works at Wood Elementary School

bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
 
2013-04-07 09:54:02 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Oh, look, it's this thread again.
Again.
Again.

The usual nimrods will claim that adding more firearms to a place where they shouldn't be is a better solution than keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally ill people in the first place. Because 2nd Ammendment[sic].

/I wonder how many Texas school staff members will shoot themselves or somebody else this time around.


Odd isn't it that it has been illegal for a felon, drug addict, lunatic or wife beater to even touch gun since 1968. Yet they still manage to find a way to shoot people. Maybe we could make it double illegal and that would work. What is the line about expecting the same action to give different results?
 
2013-04-07 10:09:33 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: BarkingUnicorn: "Professional development" includes interpersonal skills, subby.

What kind of interpersonal skill is shooting someone?

The best kind, if someone's pointing a gun at you.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

Your gun rhetoric is sounding akin to the teabaggers' rationalization and fear-mongering. I would watch out if I were you.


Actually it sounds like the Liberals version of the Far Right fringe's "Abstinence Only" sex ed. Just pretend you are right and if you really, really want it bad enough reality it will go away.
 
2013-04-07 11:11:53 PM  
I personally love that subby and people like him hate Texas so much.  It means you freaks won't move here and mess things up like you did your own states.  ; )
 
2013-04-07 11:17:40 PM  

ex-nuke: Odd isn't it that it has been illegal for a felon, drug addict, lunatic or wife beater to even touch gun since 1968. Yet they still manage to find a way to shoot people. Maybe we could make it double illegal and that would work. What is the line about expecting the same action to give different results?


But...we have to do SOMETHING!!!  Even if it has nothing to do with the problem and doesn't have a snowball's chance of working.
 
2013-04-07 11:46:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Maul555: Elementary school principal Lolita Looney

OMG...  Somewhere out there is a elementary school principal named Lolita Looney.

And she works at Wood Elementary School

[bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 360x240]


omg, this is all just too much for me to handle...
 
2013-04-08 12:27:06 AM  

noitsnot: HOLY SH*T THEY USE GUNS TO MAKE COOKIES

[c.shld.net image 315x315]


Missed the 'besides' part, didn't you?  Of course, I posted a captive bolt pistol that uses .22 rounds.  Except for the whole limited to 2" of range or so, it's a single shot gun.  It's also used explicitly to kill things.
 
2013-04-08 12:53:35 AM  

ex-nuke: demaL-demaL-yeH: Oh, look, it's this thread again.
Again.
Again.

The usual nimrods will claim that adding more firearms to a place where they shouldn't be is a better solution than keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally ill people in the first place. Because 2nd Ammendment[sic].

/I wonder how many Texas school staff members will shoot themselves or somebody else this time around.

Odd isn't it that it has been illegal for a felon, drug addict, lunatic or wife beater to even touch gun since 1968. Yet they still manage to find a way to shoot people. Maybe we could make it double illegal and that would work. What is the line about expecting the same action to give different results?


But, but, doing a real background check on every transfer is a ban.
But, but, making sure that the mentally ill are in the database is bad.
But, but making a database in the first place is bad.
But, but tyranny.


Have I proposed doing more of the same, motorboat?
Take a look upthread and get back to me.
It's time to restore the responsibilities that go with the right to bear arms, the way the Founders explicitly intended.

/Better yet, call me a liberal, so I can laugh in your sputtering face.
 
2013-04-08 12:56:44 AM  

cuzsis: demaL-demaL-yeH: cuzsis: Actually one of my teachers *was* a solider.

I served with many who went on to become teachers. Not one of them sees a
need for or has any desire to have a firearm at school.

/And especially not in other people's hands.

Always open to other opinions of course. I take it they have plans to keep their schools safe in the event of a shooter? And those plans *don't* involve locking doors and huddling in a corner (which has failed spectacularly in the past and resulted in lots of dead students.)

 Prevention would be good of course, with better mental health work ect... But you still want to plan for the actual event (kind of like, you do everything to prevent a fire, but you still have fire sprinklers in case a fire starts anyway.)

 Personally I think armed security guards would be better, but I can understand a teacher or two who wants to do a CCW (Utah already does this and has for over a decade I believe).

 The reason most people turn to guns to stop guns, is that's generally the only thing that has been proven to be successful in the long term. This is why our cops, soldiers and ect... all carry guns.

 Personally I'm not particular. If it results in the least amount of dead innocent victims I don't care if you serve the would be spree killer a bowl of lucky charms. If that works, great! Stock lucky charms in every classroom!


And Tucson implemented the school resource officer program (with TPD cops) back in 1962.
Which, by the way, was item #18 on the president's list of actions that the derpers keep telling me are unconstitutional.
 
2013-04-08 01:11:52 AM  

Firethorn: noitsnot: HOLY SH*T THEY USE GUNS TO MAKE COOKIES

[c.shld.net image 315x315]

Missed the 'besides' part, didn't you?  Of course, I posted a captive bolt pistol that uses .22 rounds.  Except for the whole limited to 2" of range or so, it's a single shot gun.  It's also used explicitly to kill things.


OMG THEY USE GUNS TO SHOOT HOUSES TOGETHER

www.icanfixupmyhome.com
EVERYTHING IS DONE USING GUNS - HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO WRONG!!!!!!
 
2013-04-08 03:39:02 AM  
My high school had a rifle team and a range in the basement. The gym teacher/football/rifle team coach/WWII vet was the NRA certified instructor.

The local boy scouts, ROTC, and even private citizens were also able to use the range.

Nobody was ever shot there.


/I come from another time
//Get off my lawn
 
2013-04-08 06:49:53 AM  
People who think that "Gun Free Zones" are a GOOD thing need to PROVE it...post your full name and address. If you think that announcing to everyone that you are unarmed / unprotected is good, then DO IT already.

 
If you are not willing to let EVERYONE know your home is a "Gun Free Zone" (just like we do with our schools) then shut your hypocritical mouth, and let the adults have a grown up conversation.
 
2013-04-08 08:59:02 AM  

socoloco: I don't have a problem with this.

We want teachers to be ignorant about guns? Really?


Quite obviously, there are some who fear knowledge. Nothing new.
You know who else denies knowledge to women, especially teachers?
 
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