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(Opposing Views)   More than 700 educators from one particular state decided to better themselves this weekend. Did they do it by a.) Taking advanced math classes, b.) Researching teaching methods utilized in Europe, or c.) Attending a free gun class? Hint: Texas   (opposingviews.com) divider line 187
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2013-04-07 04:28:40 PM

machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?


His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK
 
2013-04-07 04:29:26 PM
*Opens class desk drawer*

This is my whiskey, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun.
 
2013-04-07 04:29:44 PM

GAT_00: I stopped being civil to NRA types a long time ago once I realized they had no respect for me or any position I held. Why bother treating someone with anything but disdain when you know it's never occurred to them to respect you? That, and I'm not real big on being nice to people who see kids dying pointlessly and think "Yeah, everything looks good and free here. Just the world I want to live in."


I respect you and your position. However I don't link a person doing bad things with a need to control all gun owners, and I think it's kind of a knee-jerk position to take. I don't like kids getting killed, and if I had the ability I would have loved to do something to stop it from happening. I have worked in a school environment, and I look at the environment as one where as an adult it's my responsibility to protect the little asswipes.

However, what I don't get is why you apply the bad behavior of an individual who broke the law and committed a horrific crime to everyone who owns guns? Why is that even a logical position to you? I have a penis, does that mean because one guy goes out and rapes and mutilates a bunch of women, by association with the Club of the Penis, i'm also going to go out and rape and mutilate a bunch of women? Are we going to ban penises because a guy did that?

The biggest reason a lot of people fail to respect that opinion is because it's as nonsensical and illogical as banning booze because of the behavior of a few drunks, or banning cars because of the behavior of a few old people and women, or banning any other item because of the bad behavior of individuals.

Why can you not see that it makes more sense to look at the individual and his actions as heinous acts and look at what set him off in hopes of preventing these types of incidents from occurring rather than trying to force a restriction on tools which, in the 60-some-odd mass shootings in the past 50 years weren't used more than twice, and further deride people who are doing nothing illegal or unsafe in exercising their right to own firearms and their right to the pursuit of happiness in engaging in sport shooting, hunting, etc?

Here's another question: there've been a few deaths, suicides, caused by "Cyber-bullying" that leverage social networking sights in order to publicly shame and bring unwanted negative attention to people. Do we punish the people who committed such acts that resulted in the death of the person, or do we go out of our way to control and restrict social networking sights because they could be misused to cause deaths and therefore have no place in society? After all, the framers never envisioned such sites or technologies to begin with.
 
2013-04-07 04:30:41 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?

His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK


man you troll once and they don't let you forget it huh? That'll show me to leave the Bloody Mary mix in the fridge before fark'ing
 
2013-04-07 04:30:49 PM

MichiganFTL: BarkingUnicorn: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

What it boils down to is that people don't trust children and teachers together when guns are around.  Can't imagine why.

http://www.nea.org/home/42238.htm

"According the U.S. Department of Education, 127,120 (4 percent) public school teachers (K-12) were physically attacked at school-hit, kicked, bitten, slapped, stabbed or shot-during the 2007-08 school year. Another 222,460 teachers (7 percent) were threatened by students with acts of violence."i

IDK what's more common:  teachers banging students or teachers banging on students.

I personally don't have a problem with a teacher shooting a student if they are shooting at them or stabbing them. But that probably makes me heartless, the kid probably had a tough time growing up and needed another participation trophy.


I really don't think arming teachers would make a difference when it comes to cases where the students are attacking the teachers.  Mainly because it would be a situation where even if the students where literally kicking the crap out of the teacher and pulled a knife, the teacher pulling out their gun and ending that student's life would be tough to justify, even in states where you have stand you ground laws.  The parents will still deny, even with video evidence, that their snow flake did anything wrong.  The school would still be sued for wrongful death, teacher fired, and the anti-gun nuts would martyr the dead student, even though he was physically attack a teacher with intent to kill.  Worse yet if the student were black or hispanic and the teacher white.  Even worse if the teacher were former military.

Truthfully, while I am in favor of teachers being armed, it's a situation where the solution is just the next problem.  Problem: School shootings.  Solution: arm the teachers who wish to be armed.  Problem: armed teachers.  When is it justifiable for them to pull their weapons? School shootings - of course.  A student assaults a teacher because they looked at the student the wrong way?
 
2013-04-07 04:32:55 PM

BayouOtter: tylerdurden217:
The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.


This. People have killed each other since the beginning of mankind. it's not even a phenomenon confined to our species. The only thing that sets us apart is our ability to make tools, build things, and fool ourselves into thinking that we're somehow perfect if only it weren't for [insert tool/item here] causing bad things to happen.

I grow extremely tired of people that Look at humanity as some special race of god-beings that are perfect and unspoiled if only no guns, drugs, booze, whatever are around.
 
2013-04-07 04:37:43 PM

GAT_00: Bravo Two: GAT_00: GUTSU: In 1991 there were 210 million firearms in the united states. Now there are over 280 million. This far makes up for the decrease in gunownership which by the way, I believe is vastly under reported.

Well by God I'm sure glad you've got all those imagined facts on your side.  I'm totally farking convinced now!

Once again showing GAT_00's ability to be well-reasoned and able to discuss things in a pleasant, well-informed manner. Is there ever a time when you're willing to discuss and NOT attack the other side?

I stopped being civil to NRA types a long time ago once I realized they had no respect for me or any position I held.  Why bother treating someone with anything but disdain when you know it's never occurred to them to respect you?  That, and I'm not real big on being nice to people who see kids dying pointlessly and think "Yeah, everything looks good and free here.  Just the world I want to live in."


So settle it with the NRA rep on this thread.

All you're doing now is randomly attacking others over an imaginary enemy that only you seem to see.

/which might explain why you don't think others should be trusted with guns
 
2013-04-07 04:38:40 PM

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.


Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who came to the school with enough weapons and ammo to quickly kill dozens of kids wasn't able to get the guns and the ammo in the first place?
 
2013-04-07 04:39:15 PM

BayouOtter: Might as well back it in and roll back every freedom. Kids won't be dying pointlessly if everybody is confined to their own 10 by 10 cell with food, entertainment, and health care piped in. Extremely safe slavery beats dangerous freedom any day.


Keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill is infringing on your rights?
You must be nucking futs.

BayouOtter: I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.


Yup. Nucking futs. Making murder easier and the having the means to commit murder readily available does increase the murder rate, nimrod. The reverse is also true: Overall murders on annual basis have dropped almost 25% since the late 1990s gun ban.
 
2013-04-07 04:41:10 PM

BayouOtter: tylerdurden217:
The incidence of mental health disorders are, and always will be, dispersed throughout society. Throw millions of firearms into the mix and the probability of homicide approaches levels that are statistically likely. More guns, more murder. Period.

I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.


When will we require that all rocks/sticks be registered?
I mean, historically,,,,
 
2013-04-07 04:41:34 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who came to the school with enough weapons and ammo to quickly kill dozens of kids wasn't able to get the guns and the ammo in the first place?


Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who was farked up enough to believe that shooting up a school was a good idea had been able to get help and/or be detained by police before they were able to get violent?
 
2013-04-07 04:41:42 PM

GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?


You believe it's preferable for psychotic people to have unqualified access to this type of weaponry than, say... to make any efforts to control access to guns. Why you believe that is unknown; maybe you love guns more than you love children?
 
2013-04-07 04:43:19 PM

Bravo Two: Mambo Bananapatch: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

Wouldn't it be nice if the guy who came to the school with enough weapons and ammo to quickly kill dozens of kids wasn't able to get the guns and the ammo in the first place?

Wouldn't it be nice if

the  guy who was farked up enough to believe that shooting up a school was a good idea had been able to get help and/or be detained by police before they were able to get violent?

Yes! That too.
 
2013-04-07 04:44:09 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: BayouOtter: Might as well back it in and roll back every freedom. Kids won't be dying pointlessly if everybody is confined to their own 10 by 10 cell with food, entertainment, and health care piped in. Extremely safe slavery beats dangerous freedom any day.

Keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill is infringing on your rights?
You must be nucking futs.

BayouOtter: I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.

Yup. Nucking futs. Making murder easier and the having the means to commit murder readily available does increase the murder rate, nimrod. The reverse is also true: Overall murders on annual basis have dropped almost 25% since the late 1990s gun ban.


Well, that's good for you, and i'm glad that Australia is such a wonderful utopia for you guys. I'm not personally willing to give up the tools with which I hunt, train, and engage in sporting events with for the illusion of security. Thanks for your concern, though!
 
2013-04-07 04:46:32 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH:
Keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill is infringing on your rights?
You must be nucking futs.


The comment was about freedoms, so address it more generally.

BayouOtter: I keep forgetting how murder never happened before the invention of firearms.

Yup. Nucking futs. Making murder easier and the having the means to commit murder readily available does increase the murder rate, nimrod.


Sorry, but a guy with a sword in 1300 is gonna kill me as dead as a guy with a gun in 2013 as dead as a guy with a rock at the dawn of humanity. If anything, technology to prevent death and punish criminals have probably decreased the amount of murder, not to mention its a bit harder to kill women and the infirm because they don't need to be 6'5 hulks to heft a gun.

But whatever.

The reverse is also true: Overall murders on annual basis have dropped almost 25% since the late 1990s gun ban.

I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.
 
2013-04-07 04:46:44 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?

His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK


Then you should probably wait to use the term until he is actually doing it.
 
2013-04-07 04:47:12 PM
C'mon, subby... everybody knows that educators aren't capable of passing advanced math classes.
 
2013-04-07 04:48:02 PM

MichiganFTL: demaL-demaL-yeH: machodonkeywrestler: How the Fark is that statement trolling?

His farkie is a quote from an earlier firearms thread:
(favorite: Sorry, trollin'. Got more bites than I expected)
/TMYK

man you troll once and they don't let you forget it huh? That'll show me to leave the Bloody Mary mix in the fridge before fark'ing


I'd pity you because you live in Warren, but you're so far beyond redemption you deserve it.
 
2013-04-07 04:48:04 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?


That's what the problem students are for.
 
2013-04-07 04:50:32 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

You believe it's preferable for psychotic people to have unqualified access to this type of weaponry than, say... to make any efforts to control access to guns. Why you believe that is unknown; maybe you love guns more than you love children?


I'm all for improving the NICS system and related law enforcement database systems such that a run through the NICS is both nearly-instant and comprehensively able to catch people who have committed crimes in places that aren't necessarily efficient at putting that data into the national system.

I'm all for improving the requirements for background checks to require it for all purchases, and making it a free thing through a website. Log on, enter buyer info, run NICS info, and get approved/declined. Require retention of records, too.

I'm all for improving the health care system and requiring it to include mental health evaluations, and the creation of more comprehensive means of treating people with mental issues who are at risk of being violent.

I'm all for the creation of a process whereby citizens denied their right to own firearms for mental health reasons can appeal the findings and have their rights restored.

I'm not for artificial restrictions that won't stop bad behavior in the name of "possibly limiting the damgae done by the criminal."  It's both arbitrary and knee-jerk and doesn't do shiat of good.

While we're on the topic, let's discuss how you would like to improve our mental health system so that we can prevent the 60% of all gun deaths per year (suicides).  How do you propose that we reach out to and help people contemplating suicide? Having been there, I know that's fairly easy to spot and people who are thinking about it communicate a desire to do it and look for help.  Or don't you give a shiat about those people, along with kids killed by abuse and drunk driving, and only about the few who are killed by guns?
 
2013-04-07 04:50:34 PM
Great Janitor: I've played enough first person shooters to know
 
2013-04-07 04:53:39 PM

BayouOtter: I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.


Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.
 
2013-04-07 04:56:20 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: BayouOtter: I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.


Because all other types of crime are OK, as long as guns aren't involved, right?
 
2013-04-07 04:58:20 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH:
Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.


Strong words. Really strong.
 
2013-04-07 05:03:01 PM
Teachers getting "Free gun safety" courses? In Texas? And they complain they don't make enough?When I finished my teachers certification, and went to job fairs, 30-45 in line to be told they weren't hiring. What a crock.Now you gotta be on the watch for an old biddie w/a 22. Take the high ground, .45 ACP all the way.
 
2013-04-07 05:03:21 PM

Bravo Two: demaL-demaL-yeH: BayouOtter: I like how you reference Australia here, the place where criminals mass produce guns, and where the gun bans had no significant change to the rates of decline that were there before the bans?

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.  Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

Here ya go. Pony up real stats on firearm-related crime.

Hint: I already did, nimrod, and you lie.

Because all other types of crime are OK, as long as guns aren't involved, right?


I don't know. Is ignoring, erasing constitutional rights a crime?
 
2013-04-07 05:04:33 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: GUTSU: GAT_00:
Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard?  Gun problem?  MOAR GUNS.  It's like the argument of a 2 year old.

You're the one who thinks leaving children utterly defenseless because "GUNS R BAD" is better than giving them at least a small chance of survival with an armed teacher.

You believe it's preferable for a shooter to go unhindered from class to class, blasting the heads of children than say... let teachers have a pistol. Why you believe that is unknown, maybe you hate guns more than you like children?

You believe it's preferable for psychotic people to have unqualified access to this type of weaponry than, say... to make any efforts to control access to guns. Why you believe that is unknown; maybe you love guns more than you love children?


You're one of those people who don't believe we do background checks, aren't you? As for personal sales? I don't think the government should have a say in how my personal property although I do agree with them that it's illegal to sell to anyone disqualified from buying a firearm in the first place.

But you can believe anything you wish.
 
2013-04-07 05:07:02 PM
Can we make it a crime to seize guns for the purpose of disarming the population to preclude political insurrection while calling it "Protecting Children"?
 
2013-04-07 05:08:20 PM
Yes because the best country in the world should 'model' itself from the country it successfully broke chains from.
 
2013-04-07 05:08:44 PM

doglover: My old physics teacher was a gun lover. I think he'd have liked to have his gun in the classroom. He was a hoot. Really super responsible, but very old school on safety regs. He let us in the AP class play with liquid nitrogen and live Tesla coils. Fun fun fun.


Our physics teacher brought in a short length of 2" PVC with iron rods in it and electromagnet windings around all but the top rim.  She put a cut-steel-pipe washer on the top, hit the button, and left a dent in the ceiling tile.
 
2013-04-07 05:09:09 PM
Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.
 
2013-04-07 05:10:44 PM
Just let the locals in each school district decide what they prefer.  The gun lovers and loathers will soon segregate themselves geographically and all will be at peace.

Separate but equally crazy.
 
2013-04-07 05:11:46 PM

russsssman: Yes because the best country in the world should 'model' itself from the country it successfully broke chains from.


Why are you dragging North Korea into this?
 
2013-04-07 05:12:47 PM

sweet-daddy-2: Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.


Actually, a Fark multi-player shooting game would be fabulous!
 
2013-04-07 05:15:10 PM
Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.
 
2013-04-07 05:18:25 PM

Bravo Two: or banning cars because of the behavior of a few old people and women


Hey bub, leave us out of this. It's not just old people and women, you know. Plenty of us are sane, careful drivers ( and gun owners ). The rest of your post I agree with.
 
2013-04-07 05:18:26 PM
Don't ya just know that the same people that want to grab guns for political agendas under the lie of "preventing" gun murder are the same same as those that believe TSA Theatre is some kind of "security".
Whatever do they gas normal peeps with to get them to swallow this bull?
How can this happen in good ol' USA?

Nope, I just can not believe that anything approaching a "consensus" believes this crap.
My fellow citizens are not that stupid!
Never mind, my pills are here.
 
2013-04-07 05:19:55 PM

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


I agree with you almost completely.  I personally think that teachers need to be trained to teach, cops need to be trained to protect.   I can see having a cop on duty during school hours, many schools already do, but lets not arm the teachers.  Now if a teacher wants to learn to shoot, I think that's great. It's a great hobby that I enjoy myself, but it needs to stay a hobby and not brought to school.

No one would expect a cop to be able to teach reading to a dyslexic student, we shouldn't expect teachers to play cop either.
 
2013-04-07 05:21:36 PM
So basically, we're trying to turn the USA into Israel. That'll play well with the Christian lobby.
 
2013-04-07 05:22:04 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.


I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?
 
2013-04-07 05:23:39 PM

BayouOtter: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.

I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-04-07 05:38:59 PM

BarkingUnicorn: sweet-daddy-2: Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.

Actually, a Fark multi-player shooting game would be fabulous!


But the blood wouldn't be real We need real blood. Let the games begin. And may the odds be forever in your favor.
 
2013-04-07 05:46:37 PM
If they're from Texas, shouldn't they already know how to use a gun? Isn't it state law?

Better check their papers...
 
2013-04-07 05:49:02 PM

GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun.  Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot?  Why let's just shoot more kids!  Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do.  Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!

Why the fark are you completely incapable o ...


2nd Amendment, dikweed. MORE 2nd Amendment. Issue was settled in 1791. Shall Not Be Infringed.How come you're so afraid of the Second Amendment? If you're such a puss, how can you stand to look in the mirror?

Listen up, you pubic scrool educated tater tot ... it's not a gun problem at all. It's a  character problem. Guns are tools. Not Cause. But since you were pubic scrool educated you can't tell difference between the Static Object and what's needed to set the Static Object in motion.

A gun will lie on the table until eternity unmoved and unused until someone puts a finger in the trigger guard and pulls. The  object did not do that. The  object is inert. I doubt you get the point.

But ask yourself this, why in hell are both Congress and State school systems yelling kicking and screaming NO GUARDS FOR YOUR CHILDREN!! IT WILL DAMAGE THEM!! when Congress, the President, every Cabinet Official, every State House, every State Legislator and even shopping malls are guarded by armed response?

Are children disposable in their view? The evidence is crystal clear. No protection for our children, only for the Big Shots.

Ooooo ... I said shot.

Off to be sanctioned by a Union Teacher for me.

BTW - how come the Unions, those 'defenders' of the little guys - are silent on protecting children? Hmmm? But I already know the answer. You're the one who doesn't.
 
2013-04-07 05:54:08 PM

cbuhler: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

I agree with you almost completely.  I personally think that teachers need to be trained to teach, cops need to be trained to protect.   I can see having a cop on duty during school hours, many schools already do, but lets not arm the teachers.  Now if a teacher wants to learn to shoot, I think that's great. It's a great hobby that I enjoy myself, but it needs to stay a hobby and not brought to school.

No one would expect a cop to be able to teach reading to a dyslexic student, we shouldn't expect teachers to play cop either.


How about being pro choice on teachers with guns?  Also, if we can't have police in every school consider this; when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

/please grade my semicolon use if you respond
//here is a spare colon if you don't have one lying around :
 
2013-04-07 05:59:31 PM

tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.


One of the gems was a woman talking about her fear of firearms, her actually shooting a gun, and then her fantasizing about the teacher that jumps over the desk with a gun and saves the day.
 
2013-04-07 06:00:21 PM

Clemkadidlefark: 2nd Amendment, dikweed. MORE 2nd Amendment. Issue was settled in 1791. Shall Not Be Infringed.How come you're so afraid of the Second Amendment? If you're such a puss, how can you stand to look in the mirror?


AHEM. Mandatory regular public inspection of arms and ammunition, registration, and reporting to the governor, Department of War, and the President. Mandatory training and qualification. Military regulations apply. Universal service.
Yeah, I'd go for that.

/But not the moronic, unregulated anarchy we have now.
 
2013-04-07 06:04:06 PM

BayouOtter: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals @ top-of-the-hour: "The War on Drugs was a complete failure. Legalize weed at the very least, and stop this insanity!!! And, DON'T tell me what I can and can't do in my own home or bedroom!"
Fark liberals @ botton-of-the-hour: "We NEED a War on Guns!!! There are a bunch of mentally ill people that, if given access to them, will cause much harm to themselves and/or others!!! The Feds should restrict your access to them, so it will then be much harder to find one!"

Liberals divide by zero in every Fark gun thread.

I'm a liberal, and think it'd be peachy keen if people could get blazed on whatever and defend themselves with firearms. Why can't it be both?


Wow, a reasonable Fark liberal. Where have y'all been hiding?
 
2013-04-07 06:07:06 PM

12349876: BarkingUnicorn: , a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

ready to be taken by a kid with a single suckerpunch.


Don't be ridiculous.  If a kid alarms the teacher or approaches the wrong way, the teacher should just shoot him.

/school in Texas!
//eventually some red state mouth breather kid is gonna get shot for no reason and I can stop reading about this insanity
 
2013-04-07 06:09:17 PM

sweet-daddy-2: BarkingUnicorn: sweet-daddy-2: Man, these gun threads get blazing hot .Here's a suggestion for Drew. Take all of the posters, arm them with guns, and turn them loose as in Hunger Games. The last one standing gets a year's supply of beer and a year's TF. He/she could then post to themselves without getting all fired up and having a heart attack.

Actually, a Fark multi-player shooting game would be fabulous!

But the blood wouldn't be real We need real blood. Let the games begin. And may the odds be forever in your favor.


Just slash a notch in your arm for every kill.
 
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