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2013-04-07 11:51:21 AM  
This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.
 
2013-04-07 12:00:56 PM  

bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.


Yup.
 
2013-04-07 12:15:55 PM  
 
2013-04-07 12:27:57 PM  

bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.


Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.
 
2013-04-07 12:31:06 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


Yup.
 
2013-04-07 12:31:26 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


I'm pretty sure the "nuclear option" is only an option with judicial appointments.  Besides, do you really think that if the Republicans ever get the Senate majority again that they won't just do away with the filibuster?  What do they have to lose anymore?
 
2013-04-07 12:35:00 PM  
We live in a world where Ted Cruz can block anything he wants to.  Now imagine a world where Ted Cruz can get anything he wants pushed through.
 
2013-04-07 12:36:24 PM  
Just do it already, even.
 
2013-04-07 12:36:41 PM  

doyner: We live in a world where Ted Cruz can block anything he wants to.  Now imagine a world where Ted Cruz can get anything he wants pushed through.


Yup.
 
2013-04-07 12:38:09 PM  

bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.


He's a total pussy unless his seat is in danger. Then he suddenly finds his backbone... only to put it away until his seat's in danger again.

As for what the GOP's going to do next time they're in control... fark it; they'll find a way to do it anyway. Right now the rules of Congress- and the state legislatures, for that matter- are pretty much nothing more than polite suggestions. Every single damn thing is regarded as a battle to the death. You might as well throw a punch or two yourself.
 
2013-04-07 12:39:22 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


And they say the Republicans try to foment a Climate of Fear® . Pardon me whilst I chortle. Snort.

I will agree that if Reid establishes this as the new standard, the GOP will be only too happy to use it the next time Republican nominees are stalled. So go right ahead. As Sir Thomas More said in A Man for all Seasons: ""What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? ... And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?"
 
2013-04-07 12:39:34 PM  
Remember when 'Up Or Down Vote!!!!11ty!!!!' was a talking point? You know, the good old days?
 
2013-04-07 12:40:16 PM  

Tor_Eckman: FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.

I'm pretty sure the "nuclear option" is only an option with judicial appointments.  Besides, do you really think that if the Republicans ever get the Senate majority again that they won't just do away with the filibuster?  What do they have to lose anymore?


Imagine two men sparring in combat. They fight for a while, both having the advantage in turn...

Then, randomly, the guy currently with the advantage realizes the other guy isn't playing anymore. He'll kill the guy if he gets the advantage back.

What does he do? Kill the guy first? Keep him at a distance until he calms down again?

Such is the plight of the modern Democratic party, sparring with madmen.
 
2013-04-07 12:41:09 PM  
You guys all assume that Republicans are going to be able to win enough elections to control the Senate in the next 10 years.
 
2013-04-07 12:41:35 PM  
I mean... honestly. You really think the second McConnell gets the gavel, the nuclear option ISN'T getting used within 24 hours just to clear out any obstruction for what happens next? If Reid doesn't do it, McConnell will.
 
2013-04-07 12:42:16 PM  
Yeah. Sure. Reid will TOTALLY do it this time. Not that he's gotta keep that powder dry. He likes his powder dry. Really dry powder.
 
2013-04-07 12:42:23 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


If we elect the GOP to the presidency and to majorities in the senate and house at the same time, we farking deserve all that shiat and more.
 
2013-04-07 12:42:42 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


Uh.

If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again and the presidency and keeps the house.

Which could happen, sure.  But it's not just the senate.
 
2013-04-07 12:45:49 PM  

Gosling: I mean... honestly. You really think the second McConnell gets the gavel, the nuclear option ISN'T getting used within 24 hours just to clear out any obstruction for what happens next? If Reid doesn't do it, McConnell will.


Everyone will act surprised when traitor turtle does exactly what we expect him to. Treason.
 
2013-04-07 12:45:58 PM  

Dafatone: FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.

Uh.

If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again and the presidency and keeps the house.

Which could happen, sure.  But it's not just the senate.


Gee, it's almost like we live in a universe whose system of math has no numbers between 60 and 51.
 
2013-04-07 12:48:49 PM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2013-04-07 12:56:08 PM  
"The American people have rejected the nuclear option because they see it for what it is - an unconstitutional abuse of power." ~ Harry Reid, 2005.
 
2013-04-07 12:59:18 PM  

SkinnyHead: "The American people have rejected the nuclear option because they see it for what it is - an unconstitutional abuse of power." ~ Harry Reid, 2005.


What makes it unconstitutional is the way that the Republicans wanted to use it. Senate rules do not fall under the Constitution.
 
2013-04-07 12:59:19 PM  

doyner: We live in a world where Ted Cruz can block anything he wants to.  Now imagine a world where Ted Cruz can get anything he wants pushed through.


www.everythingaction.com
 
2013-04-07 12:59:24 PM  

jjorsett: And they say the Republicans try to foment a Climate of Fear® . Pardon me whilst I chortle. Snort.


Understanding that something sets a very bad precedent ≠ "climate of fear".

And recognizing that Republican control of Congress does serious harm to the country is also not a "climate of fear", it's recognizing reality.  I'm watching Republicans try and dismantle a century of progress here in North Carolina, and it's frustrating because we worked really hard in the last few decades to move beyond the stagnancy that plagues much of the southeastern states.  But with what's happened in the last two weeks, we're no better than Mississippi or South Carolina.  And those are the exact same people that want to run Congress.  But you're fine with it because your troll persona buys into their partisan hackery.
 
2013-04-07 01:01:06 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


We already have corporate feudalism and eternal war.  The house has managed to do without the filibuster for 100 years.   The Senate has demonstrated it can not use that power responsibly, and the responsible thing to do is take it away from them.
 
2013-04-07 01:03:14 PM  

jjorsett: FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.

And they say the Republicans try to foment a Climate of Fear® . Pardon me whilst I chortle. Snort.


Do you deny that those are part of the official GOP platform?  That's what they tell us they want to do.  Do you think they are lying about it?
 
2013-04-07 01:15:35 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


That's nonsense. The filibuster has never protected any of those things. Seriously, give me a single example of when the GOP held all branches of government, and the only think which actually stopped one of these things from happening was the filibuster. It's never happened.

In reality, the filibuster was used to prevent the Civil Rights Act from happening in the first place.
 
2013-04-07 01:17:22 PM  

bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.


Reid NEVER gives public statements unless he means that.  He doesn't bluff to the press.
 
2013-04-07 01:17:27 PM  

UNC_Samurai: jjorsett: And they say the Republicans try to foment a Climate of Fear® . Pardon me whilst I chortle. Snort.

Understanding that something sets a very bad precedent ≠ "climate of fear".

And recognizing that Republican control of Congress does serious harm to the country is also not a "climate of fear", it's recognizing reality.  I'm watching Republicans try and dismantle a century of progress here in North Carolina, and it's frustrating because we worked really hard in the last few decades to move beyond the stagnancy that plagues much of the southeastern states.  But with what's happened in the last two weeks, we're no better than Mississippi or South Carolina.  And those are the exact same people that want to run Congress.  But you're fine with it because your troll persona buys into their partisan hackery.


That's right, it's an absolute fact that the GOP wants to do away with civil rights, abolish Social Security and Medicare, destroy the environment, make eternal war, and let the freebooters of Wall Street pillage the economy at will, and saying so isn't pandering to fear, it's just stating the obvious. What's most incredible to me is your blindness to the ludicrousness of your rhetoric.
 
2013-04-07 01:18:52 PM  
You can't reason with madmen, you have to destroy them. Change the rules and lock the Republicans out. They will do the exact same thing when they get in charge.
 
2013-04-07 01:19:11 PM  

jjorsett: UNC_Samurai: jjorsett: And they say the Republicans try to foment a Climate of Fear® . Pardon me whilst I chortle. Snort.

Understanding that something sets a very bad precedent ≠ "climate of fear".

And recognizing that Republican control of Congress does serious harm to the country is also not a "climate of fear", it's recognizing reality.  I'm watching Republicans try and dismantle a century of progress here in North Carolina, and it's frustrating because we worked really hard in the last few decades to move beyond the stagnancy that plagues much of the southeastern states.  But with what's happened in the last two weeks, we're no better than Mississippi or South Carolina.  And those are the exact same people that want to run Congress.  But you're fine with it because your troll persona buys into their partisan hackery.

That's right, it's an absolute fact that the GOP wants to do away with civil rights, abolish Social Security and Medicare, destroy the environment, make eternal war, and let the freebooters of Wall Street pillage the economy at will, and saying so isn't pandering to fear, it's just stating the obvious. What's most incredible to me is your blindness to the ludicrousness of your rhetoric.


So, you can prove the opposite, then?  Because when I listen to GOPpers (politicians AND their knob-slobbering constituents), that's EXACTLY the message they put forth.
 
2013-04-07 01:20:47 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: You can't reason with madmen, you have to destroy them. Change the rules and lock the Republicans out. They will do the exact same thing when they get in charge.


To be somewhat fair to the GOP, they did have this happen to them when they were in charge, and they didn't reform the filibuster.
 
2013-04-07 01:21:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: "The American people have rejected the nuclear option because they see it for what it is - an unconstitutional abuse of power." ~ Harry Reid, 2005.

What makes it unconstitutional is the way that the Republicans wanted to use it. Senate rules do not fall under the Constitution.


Nice try.  Harry Reid is threatening to do what he himself believes to be an "unconstitutional abuse of power."  Shouldn't he abide by his own understanding of the constitution?
 
2013-04-07 01:21:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: "The American people have rejected the nuclear option because they see it for what it is - an unconstitutional abuse of power." ~ Harry Reid, 2005.

What makes it unconstitutional is the way that the Republicans wanted to use it. Senate rules do not fall under the Constitution.


More accurately, the power to determine what Senate rules are and are not constitutional resides with the Senate.   It's constitutional if they say it is.   That's at the heart of the nuclear option.
 
2013-04-07 01:21:43 PM  

FloydA: Do you deny that those are part of the official GOP platform? That's what they tell us they want to do. Do you think they are lying about it?


As much as I worry that a gop majority would do just that (especially with the Teabatsh*t members), just remember how quickly Dubya lost his post-election "capital" when he tried to privatize Social Security and the MASSIVE backlash that happened. Between that debacle and the Terry Schaivo clusterfuggery, the gop's goose was cooked in 08.
 
2013-04-07 01:24:04 PM  

TV's Vinnie: FloydA: Do you deny that those are part of the official GOP platform? That's what they tell us they want to do. Do you think they are lying about it?

As much as I worry that a gop majority would do just that (especially with the Teabatsh*t members), just remember how quickly Dubya lost his post-election "capital" when he tried to privatize Social Security and the MASSIVE backlash that happened. Between that debacle and the Terry Schaivo clusterfuggery, the gop's goose was cooked in 08.


The just need to tweak the message, that's all.
 
2013-04-07 01:24:19 PM  
Stop talking, start doing.
 
2013-04-07 01:25:56 PM  

SkinnyHead: "The American people have rejected the nuclear option because they see it for what it is - an unconstitutional abuse of power." ~ Harry Reid, 2005.


What's funny, figuratively speaking, is that Reid was arguing against Republican use of the nuclear option after Republicans became upset that Democrats filibustered 10 of 215 Bush appointments.

How many Obama appointments have not been filibustered by Republicans?  I'm having trouble recalling a single instance.  Feel free to enlighten me.
 
2013-04-07 01:26:40 PM  

DamnYankees: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: You can't reason with madmen, you have to destroy them. Change the rules and lock the Republicans out. They will do the exact same thing when they get in charge.

To be somewhat fair to the GOP, they did have this happen to them when they were in charge, and they didn't reform the filibuster.


Are you kidding?   Bill Frist threatened to use the nuclear option when the Democrats were fillibustering on *two* federal judges, and the Democrats rolled.

The GOP invented this kind of brinksmanship.
 
2013-04-07 01:27:38 PM  

Rent Party: DamnYankees: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: You can't reason with madmen, you have to destroy them. Change the rules and lock the Republicans out. They will do the exact same thing when they get in charge.

To be somewhat fair to the GOP, they did have this happen to them when they were in charge, and they didn't reform the filibuster.

Are you kidding?   Bill Frist threatened to use the nuclear option when the Democrats were fillibustering on *two* federal judges, and the Democrats rolled.

The GOP invented this kind of brinksmanship.


Yes, they threatened to. But they didn't. That's what I said.
 
2013-04-07 01:28:33 PM  
"No party has ever broken the rules of the Senate to change those rules. I'm glad such an irreparably damaging precedent will not be set today," McConnell said in a statement in January."Such a precedent should not be set without a Republican majority"
 
2013-04-07 01:32:27 PM  

DamnYankees: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: You can't reason with madmen, you have to destroy them. Change the rules and lock the Republicans out. They will do the exact same thing when they get in charge.

To be somewhat fair to the GOP, they did have this happen to them when they were in charge, and they didn't reform the filibuster.


These are not my father's Republicans.
 
2013-04-07 01:35:00 PM  

FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.


A government run on the principle of majority rule--what James Madison called "the fundamental principle of free government1"--would have the effect of moderating our politics. It would do so by forcing politicians to take responsibility for their policy positions.


As it stands now, the Republicans can b*tch and moan all they want about "runaway spending." But they never have to propose any real cuts--and they never have, they're asking Obama to do it--because they know they can blame overspending on the Democrats wielding the power of the filibuster. So they can market themselves to their extremist base as frustrated radicals who would surely enact their Ayn Rand agenda if only the liberals would let them.

Majority rule would give them a real opportunity to abolish the programs. But they'll never do that, because doing so is political suicide. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare would end the Republican Party, and end conservatism in the America. So instead, when they have the majority, they'll have to explain to their voters why they didn't abolish Social Security and Medicare when they had the chance.

1 He didn't call majority rule a "really swell idea." He didn't call it "something we should try sometime." He called it "the fundamental principle of free government," as in the sine qua nonof free government. Any other system is minority rule. Any system of minority rule is tyranny. And, by the way, he was indirectly talking about the filibuster when he said it.

James Madison reports to New York legislature after returning to the 18th century from his time warp to the legislative sessions of 2009-2013, a.k.a, "Federalist 58:"

"It has been said that more than a majority ought to have been required for a quorum; and in particular cases, if not in all, more than a majority of a quorum for a decision. That some advantages might have resulted from such a precaution, cannot be denied. It might have been an additional shield to some particular interests, and another obstacle generally to hasty and partial measures.

But these considerations are outweighed by the inconveniences in the opposite scale. In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed. It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority. Were the defensive privilege limited to particular cases, an interested minority might take advantage of it to screen themselves from equitable sacrifices to the general weal, or, in particular emergencies, to extort unreasonable indulgences."
 
2013-04-07 01:36:24 PM  

DamnYankees: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: You can't reason with madmen, you have to destroy them. Change the rules and lock the Republicans out. They will do the exact same thing when they get in charge.

To be somewhat fair to the GOP, they did have this happen to them when they were in charge, and they didn't reform the filibuster.


To be somewhat fair to objective reality, Democratic obstructionism of Republican appointees approached nowhere near the almost total obstructionism we've seen from the Republicans.
 
2013-04-07 01:37:52 PM  

bugontherug: FloydA: bdub77: This is all posturing. Reid won't do it because he's a total pussy, and everyone knows it.

Reid won't do it because it sets a pretty scary precedent.  If the GOP ever gets 51 seats again, say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, SCHIP, WIC, Roe V. Wade, and the Civil Rights Act.  Say hello to corporate feudalism and eternal war.

A government run on the principle of majority rule--what James Madison called "the fundamental principle of free government1"--would have the effect of moderating our politics. It would do so by forcing politicians to take responsibility for their policy positions.


As it stands now, the Republicans can b*tch and moan all they want about "runaway spending." But they never have to propose any real cuts--and they never have, they're asking Obama to do it--because they know they can blame overspending on the Democrats wielding the power of the filibuster. So they can market themselves to their extremist base as frustrated radicals who would surely enact their Ayn Rand agenda if only the liberals would let them.

Majority rule would give them a real opportunity to abolish the programs. But they'll never do that, because doing so is political suicide. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare would end the Republican Party, and end conservatism in the America. So instead, when they have the majority, they'll have to explain to their voters why they didn't abolish Social Security and Medicare when they had the chance.

1 He didn't call majority rule a "really swell idea." He didn't call it "something we should try sometime." He called it "the fundamental principle of free government," as in the sine qua nonof free government. Any other system is minority rule. Any system of minority rule is tyranny. And, by the way, he was indirectly talking about the filibuster when he said it.

James Madison reports to New York legislature after returning to the 18th century from his time warp to the legislative ses ...


QFT
 
2013-04-07 01:45:28 PM  

jjorsett: UNC_Samurai: jjorsett: And they say the Republicans try to foment a Climate of Fear® . Pardon me whilst I chortle. Snort.

Understanding that something sets a very bad precedent ≠ "climate of fear".

And recognizing that Republican control of Congress does serious harm to the country is also not a "climate of fear", it's recognizing reality.  I'm watching Republicans try and dismantle a century of progress here in North Carolina, and it's frustrating because we worked really hard in the last few decades to move beyond the stagnancy that plagues much of the southeastern states.  But with what's happened in the last two weeks, we're no better than Mississippi or South Carolina.  And those are the exact same people that want to run Congress.  But you're fine with it because your troll persona buys into their partisan hackery.

That's right, it's an absolute fact that the GOP wants to do away with civil rights, abolish Social Security and Medicare, destroy the environment, make eternal war, and let the freebooters of Wall Street pillage the economy at will, and saying so isn't pandering to fear, it's just stating the obvious. What's most incredible to me is your blindness to the ludicrousness of your rhetoric.


Bless your heart.
 
2013-04-07 01:48:49 PM  
Nobody's falling for it anymore, Harry.
 
2013-04-07 01:52:23 PM  

Rent Party: Bill Frist threatened to use the nuclear option when the Democrats were fillibustering on *two* federal judges, and the Democrats rolled.


"I support the memorandum of understanding. It took nuclear option off the table. Nuclear option is gone for our lifetime. We don't have to talk about it anymore. I'm disappointed that we're -- there's still these threats of nuclear option. It's gone."  ~ Harry Reid, 2005
 
2013-04-07 01:53:26 PM  
I wish they would just cap filibusters at 5 per legislative session.  Pick your battles wisely.
 
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