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(The Atlantic)   Why do we laugh at North Korea but fear Iran? Is it because Kim Jong-Un looks like Moe Howard mated with an Oompa Loompa and Mahmoud Ahmacrazyman looks like Christoph Waltz?   (theatlantic.com) divider line 252
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2013-04-07 05:00:12 PM  

Theory Of Null: ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i>

NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either.

True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.


What farkin Nukes?
GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK.
But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!
 
2013-04-07 05:00:58 PM  
As someone who lives in Los Angeles, I'm more worried about Jimmy Buss than Kim Jong Un.
 
2013-04-07 05:05:30 PM  

snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?


you wat now?
 
2013-04-07 05:17:21 PM  

iaazathot: Hmmmm, what (O) could it (I) be (L)?


This argument is busted.

Iraq is weak.  Just go there.
 
2013-04-07 05:22:04 PM  

whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?


Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.
 
2013-04-07 05:23:59 PM  
Two words : Israel and religion


Neither of which is a factor in the NK equation.
 
2013-04-07 05:25:34 PM  

you are a puppet: A repub friend a couple years back told me that if I didn't support attacking Iran then I was saying that Israel should be destroyed, there's your difference


And yet somehow, I imagine you would say it is wrong to stereotype a group of people, eh?
 
2013-04-07 05:27:25 PM  

snocone: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83473199#c83473199" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK. If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i> NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either. True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.</i> What farkin Nukes? GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK. But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!



NK had small ones since the early 90's. They have been refining since the USSR days. All those off and on talks for the past 20 years were just a ploy so they could continue to build a big one.
 
2013-04-07 05:28:15 PM  
Because Israel yanks our chain and tells us to be afraid of Iran. And like the good little biatch we are, we bark and howl on command.
 
2013-04-07 05:43:03 PM  

Theory Of Null: snocone: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83473199#c83473199" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK. If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i> NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either. True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.</i> What farkin Nukes? GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK. But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!


NK had small ones since the early 90's. They have been refining since the USSR days. All those off and on talks for the past 20 years were just a ploy so they could continue to build a big one.


As usual, there are always offers of The Big One.
Don't see anything real, as usual.
Please reference any "successful" detonation ever demonstrated.
Successful = on time, as advertised, "real" thermonuclear reaction carried to conclusion
 
2013-04-07 05:54:48 PM  
Wow. The Atlantic needs a refresher course in theological dynamics.

Norks are at least somewhat predictable in their battlefield behavior, because they want to live through a conflict to rule over an enemy's defeat. Therefore, there are limits to their behaviors.

Shia's, particularly the Twelvers, are farking barking insane.  They Seek To Die In Battle.

The Atlantic ... who's running the show over there? This is so basic it's laughable. If we're laughing about suicidal homicidal turban wearing maniacs bent on destroying  everything.
 
2013-04-07 05:59:21 PM  

snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?

Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.


Who says I want a war? I pretty much said that we dodged a bullet with Romney not getting elected and that NK is more likely to implode than explode.
 
2013-04-07 05:59:50 PM  
Because Iran has crazy religious bigotry at its foundation and is unpredictable, whereas NK is a poor traditional battle/domination based country, that will get the shiat kicked out of it by China if they upset the apple cart too much?
 
2013-04-07 06:01:40 PM  

whidbey: snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?

Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.

Who says I want a war? I pretty much said that we dodged a bullet with Romney not getting elected and that NK is more likely to implode than explode.


My pardon, plz, used "your" in error, I see.
 
2013-04-07 06:07:14 PM  

Arkanaut: Another reason, just off the top of my head: the North Koreans are so insanely isolationist, that they don't have translators trained in the typical way that everyone else does -- i.e. by living in foreign countries and conversing with the native speakers.  Everyone is trained entirely by textbook, except for an elite few who might have access to a small and heavily censored library of foreign movies.  As a result their English-language propaganda sound positively silly, because they're trying to cram Korean aphorisms and metaphors into English, and they don't know what the English equivalent would be.  The fact that the propaganda is by nature bombastic doesn't help.


This isnt entirely accurate.  North Korea has social exchange programs, where they send their citizens abroad to be cultured.  They just dont do it with the US.  China, Russia, Cuba, etc are all key destinations.  Keep in mind that a lot of the propaganda about NK comes from us as well... our media is incredibly biased.
 
2013-04-07 06:12:07 PM  
in case you missed it, the correct answer is oil
 
2013-04-07 06:12:20 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: meow said the dog: true or false: how long is a string

Mu


I have a theory about string.
 
2013-04-07 06:12:31 PM  

snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?

Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.

Who says I want a war? I pretty much said that we dodged a bullet with Romney not getting elected and that NK is more likely to implode than explode.

My pardon, plz, used "your" in error, I see.


Well if you're arguing it that way, I honestly don't understand why anyone would attack Iran and run the risk of a a superpower like China getting bent out of shape that someone attacked their oil suppliers.

Plus: Quagmire 2: Jack up the Deficits

Still apparently, the Republicans seem to be hellbent on the idea, but they don't have a mouthpiece in the White House any more.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:18 PM  
Iran is a hell of a lot stronger than Iraq or Afghanistan.

And we seem to keep forgetting that every time we invade, we're playing the part of the Russians in "Red Dawn".

We're bad guys in uniform on the home field of good guys (in their opinion) in civilian clothing.

Easy pickin's, and the know we have to leave.
 
2013-04-07 06:17:48 PM  

The Bestest: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.

None of this is a certainty, particularly the readiness of equipment.

Zerging Seoul is not a bad tactic (given what they have), but it's effectiveness is not a slam dunk.


And SK has had 60 years to ponder defenses.
 
2013-04-07 06:22:04 PM  

Preston Preston: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not against the United States.  If a war or proxy war broke out between the US and China, the first thing that would happen would be the US debt to China would be invalidated.  If we were enemies, the last thing we would do would be to pay them back.  I'm sure China knows that.  That's an awful lot of money to flush away.  Ten trillion dollars, approximately.


As I said - I sincerely hope my nagging doubts are for naught, and that you are right.
 
2013-04-07 06:23:28 PM  

snocone: Theory Of Null: ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i>

NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either.

True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.

What farkin Nukes?
GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK.
But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!


A WH spokesman has categorically denied the existence of the B3 in this theater.
 
2013-04-07 06:29:02 PM  

Rent Party: Do you know why the North Korean people are starving? Because almost every resource the NK government has goes into maintaining their military. Their doctrine
isn't based on a long drawn out war. It is based on a really fast and bloody one.


If I, as a citizen, has one sandwich a week, and the military guy has 2 sandwiches a week...he is still not effective.
 
2013-04-07 06:31:02 PM  
I doubt the Iranians are any more or less insane than the Best Koreans. Both teams tend to Talk crazy at times, but I don't see any real action that proves they are. And they both know that starting anything will lead to their destruction.
 
2013-04-07 07:04:04 PM  
Why do we laugh at North Korea but fear Iran? Is it because Kim Jong-Un looks like Moe Howard mated with an Oompa Loompa and Mahmoud Ahmacrazyman looks like Christoph Waltz?

I never thought of that, but it's probably a good reason.
 
2013-04-07 07:36:01 PM  
You don't stick your military in crazy.
 
2013-04-07 07:41:40 PM  

Uncle Tractor: mbillips: [citation needed]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 734x599]


The Ottoman Empire was part of the Middle East, too.
 
2013-04-07 07:49:16 PM  

Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.


Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.
 
2013-04-07 08:20:19 PM  

mbillips: This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.


I agree, but what is Fatty Kim's exit strategy here? After the two months of threats of annihilation, will he one day say, Give us all your money? What will he do when we say, fark off? The only way I can make this make sense, in a Bruce Willis movie sort of way, has him holding several cities nuclear hostage.
 
2013-04-07 08:27:44 PM  

mbillips: Uncle Tractor: mbillips: [citation needed]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 734x599]

The Ottoman Empire was part of the Middle East, too.


Pakistan only really became part of the "Greater Middle East" in modern history. When the term entered the English lexicon, it was denoted to include everything short of India, which included Pakistan as far as the Brits and Americans and pretty much everyone else using the term was concerned.
 
2013-04-07 08:28:46 PM  

mbillips: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.


Yeah, the "we've got more" numbers reasoning didn't do Saddam much good in 1991.
 
2013-04-07 08:58:31 PM  
We fear Iran? I can see neither subby nor the author have come into one of these Iran comments threads.

Article is pretty well written and author makes some good points, but the only thing we fear from Iran is that they'll hang their Photoshop team and make it harder for us to get our LULZ. Also: why would we fear people who would pull a space-monkey switch?

But basically if we did fear Iran it would be because they could more easily put some nefarious plan into action. Kimmy Boy would have to go to Iran and get their help.
 
2013-04-07 09:14:23 PM  

Fubini: YouPeopleAreCrazy: You can have a 'standing army' and still have it be completely incompetent and useless.
Not saying the NORKS are, but:

When was the last time the average grunt fired his weapon? Does it still work? How much ammo does he have?
Vehicles - do they work? How much fuel is available?
Practice - I can give you the best equipment on the planet, but if you never practice, you suck with it. And they don't have the best equipment.
Logistics - assuming they have fuel/food/ammo....how quickly can they ressuply?

The NORKS have a lot of people in uniform. Are they any good?
Iraq had a massive military in 1990. They didn't last long.

The short answer to all of this is: most of the DPRK military is not going to be that effective.

http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-dossiers/north-korean-dos si er/north-koreas-weapons-programmes-a-net-asses/the-conventional-milita ry-balance-on-the-kore/

This report uses a standard method for scoring military readiness, and estimates North Korea's military capacity as LESS capable than Iraq circa 1990 (to be precise, 5 US heavy divisions versus 6 for Iraq in 1990).

Their primary reason is a lack of resources to properly train and equip troops. NK infantry is malnourished to the point that they raise their own livestock and grow vegetables. NK heavy equipment is typically built once and then maintained sparingly, meaning that a lot of their force is using things that were built in the 50's and 60's, and that equipment is likely to have serious maintenance issues if pressed back into service. Their troops are severely under-trained compared to other modern militaries, to the point that (anecdotally) their pilots only get a few hours of flight training every year. Their command and control structure is very hierarchical, very much still designed to fight the cold war, and would likely be very brittle in a real war situation, and the NK's themselves probably don't know exactly how brittle they are because they can't afford ...


Massed troops in the open are as good as dead in modern times. Cluster bombs are really nasty against soft targets...like people. Remember how disgusted people were when we bombed the crowded roads outside of Baghdad...this would be many times worse. The smartest thing the troops could do would be to kill their leaders, get rid of their weapons, wave white flags, and wait to be rounded up.
 
2013-04-07 09:14:30 PM  
We fear Iran more because they could do far more damage to their global economy by blocking the straights of Hormuz or using their nukes on their smaller sized neighbors. We assume that the country where religious zealots praise suicide bombings or who used to use human waves to clear mine fields, might be more willing to do something crazy with them than the communist regime in North Korea. That could be a major mis-calculation though.

And of course both countries could be completely harmless.

My real fear is what happens during a regime collapse in either place.
 
2013-04-07 09:29:48 PM  
Iran versus North Korea

Oil?
Iran: Lots
North Korea: Not so much

Race?
Iran: Not quite white enough
North Korea: Not quite Asian enough

Religion:
Iran: Sunni
North Korea: Sort of atheist, but potentially ancestor worship, Buddhism, Christian, Confucian, etc.

Politics
Iran: Jihadi?
North Korea: Communist, old school

Under control of:
Iran: No one
North Korea: China, maybe Russia

Nuclear weapons:
Iran: No, not yet
North Korea: Yes

Got its nuclear technology from
Iran: The USA under the Shah
North Korea: China or Russia

Crazy?
Iran: Like Propaganda Ali?
North Korea: Like a fox?
 
2013-04-07 09:39:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


and Japan was US's enemy in a war just right before that one and Iran w. What's your point?
 
2013-04-07 09:47:23 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

and Japan was US's enemy in a war just right before that one and Iran w. What's your point?


My point is, the fact that NK is crazy and China trades with us doesn't necessarily preclude China getting involved on their side if a war starts.  That's all.
 
2013-04-07 09:59:39 PM  

vygramul: mbillips: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.

Yeah, the "we've got more" numbers reasoning didn't do Saddam much good in 1991.


Perhaps he wagers that he can get our killbots to switch off after he sends wave after wave of his men at them.
 
2013-04-07 10:43:49 PM  

Fano: vygramul: mbillips: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.

Yeah, the "we've got more" numbers reasoning didn't do Saddam much good in 1991.

Perhaps he wagers that he can get our killbots to switch off after he sends wave after wave of his men at them.


media.fxhome.com
 
2013-04-07 11:11:40 PM  
The Dear Umpa Lumpa is in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Maybe just a little healthy respect at least?
 
2013-04-07 11:19:19 PM  
"Shirk in fear?" Who wrote this shiat?
 
2013-04-07 11:36:00 PM  

kregh99: The Dear Umpa Lumpa is in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Maybe just a little healthy respect at least?


That's what they said about Saddam. Literally, he had the worlds 4th largest army at the time, and they were comparatively better equipped than NK is today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Invasion_of_Kuwait
 
2013-04-07 11:38:32 PM  
North Korea's GDP: $12.4 billion USD

Iran's GDP: $482.4 billion USD

For some perspective:
Vermont's GSP: $24.54 billion.
 
2013-04-07 11:40:34 PM  

kregh99: The Dear Umpa Lumpa is in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Maybe just a little healthy respect at least?


Poland had the world's 8th largest army in 1939.
 
2013-04-08 12:19:50 AM  

Preston Preston: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not against the United States.  If a war or proxy war broke out between the US and China, the first thing that would happen would be the US debt to China would be invalidated.  If we were enemies, the last thing we would do would be to pay them back.  I'm sure China knows that.  That's an awful lot of money to flush away.  Ten trillion dollars, approximately.


More like $1.265 trillion actually,  Your number is, from your link, "The largest portion of U.S. debt, 68 cents for every dollar or about $10 trillion, is owned by individual investors, corporations, state and local governments and, yes, even foreign governments such as China that hold Treasury bills, notes and bonds. "
 
2013-04-08 12:36:10 AM  
Iran and the arab nations are an existential threat to the existence of the state of Israel.

Only when these countries are broken up into managable Bantustans under Israel's control will the state of Israel be free from the threat of extinction.
 
2013-04-08 01:44:33 AM  

foo monkey: Counter_Intelligent: frightwingers

Good word.


I know. I like it, too.

Meanwhile, I don't take world leaders seriously when they look like a Cabbage Patch doll.
 
2013-04-08 01:50:27 AM  
I am with the "Who fears Iran?" group.
 
2013-04-08 10:14:18 AM  
I don't fear being nuked by NK.  I mean shoot, if Kim nukes us, how is gonna suck Rodman's rod?
 
2013-04-08 08:39:50 PM  
I wonder if China will let us nuke NK if we're nuked first.
 
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