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(The Atlantic)   Why do we laugh at North Korea but fear Iran? Is it because Kim Jong-Un looks like Moe Howard mated with an Oompa Loompa and Mahmoud Ahmacrazyman looks like Christoph Waltz?   (theatlantic.com) divider line 253
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2013-04-07 12:41:21 PM

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


and probably hates pistachios, too
 
2013-04-07 12:42:09 PM

meow said the dog: Listen to this as it is many times that I must be the one who provides the voice of reasoning on the website of this but you should know very much that the greatest of the leaders Emporium Kim "Carl" Jung Illest is not the individual upon which should be taken as the grain of the saltine crackers by you but instead as one who must have the serious taking before he causes the fire to fall upon the earth as if you awaken this man of the peace then not the thing will cause the stoppage of the pustular fluids doing the draining into the ends of the earth of this as the first strikes will be on both of the poles of the North one within Canada and the South one within Cold Korea as it is very much called here.  Also there will be the attack on the moon and that stupid rover on the planet of Mars will be first target of we I mean of they not we as I am certainly not the Best Korean propaganda individual.

I give the suggestion that you must do the hiding of the kids of you of the wife of you and of the husband of you because the Best Korea will be doing the nuking of the everyone around here.  Also I think we can all have agreement that Psy is the most obnoxious of all individuals on the planet and for this reason the alone no one would have the sympathy for the Slutty Korea of the South.


woah
 
2013-04-07 12:43:20 PM
We're not laughing AT North Korea.  We're laughing WITH the rest of the world.
 
2013-04-07 12:45:35 PM

JerseyTim: Seth'n'Spectrum: JerseyTim: I'm more afraid of Iran in a "Oh shiat, they're going to talk us into going to war with them, aren't they?" kind of way.

It's a bit like blaming women for dressing slutty. "She was just asking for an invasion!"

For the sake of clarity, by "they" I mean the neocons.


Ah okay. Well, the confusion is fitting since it's all part of the game.
 
2013-04-07 12:47:31 PM

Rent Party: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Between then and now, the Chinese have discovered that they like money, and a destabilizing war on their border with a close ally of their biggest trading partner isn't something they would really like to see.    So long as the Ills rattle their sabers within their own borders, nothing is going to happen.    If NK does get out of line, it will be Beijing occupying Pyonyang, not Washington, or Seoul.


Yep, Fatty Kim the Third's minions throw so much as one artillery shell in the general direction of Seoul or Tokyo, there will be a couple of dozen PRC People's Army divisions in Pyongyang inquiring politely as to the health of him and his senior minions. They don't need the headache another land war in East Asia would provide (or at least, a land war involving one of their major trading partners).
 
2013-04-07 12:49:31 PM
The reason we fear Iran and not North Korea is that Iran has better photoshop skills.
 
2013-04-07 12:51:03 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 12:51:33 PM
What do you mean, "we"?
 
2013-04-07 12:51:57 PM

Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

The biggest difference is in how grounded in reality they are. The Kim clan is clearly stark raving bonkers, the type that never really gets anywhere because it doesn't understand reality well enough to put one foot in front of the other. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but the only way they'll ever get something into orbit is to aim at the ground. Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, understands reality well enough to actually do things, and there's nothing funny about the things he wants to do. He doesn't have nuclear weapons yet, but it's easy to chart his steady progress toward one.


You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much farther beyond its borders, and no one-absolutely no one-actually gives a shiat about the Palestinians.
 
2013-04-07 12:52:58 PM
America propaganda is a powerful thing.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:33 PM

HMS_Blinkin: They have enormous deposits of rare earth metals.  If they could feed their people long enough to mine and process that shiat, they'd literally be sitting on a modern-day gold mine.


I knew that China was the leading source for lanthanides.  I however was not aware that NK shared those resources. Thank you for  clearing that up for me.

 The problem with the rare earth group of metals is that they are so expensive to mine.  They also require some seriously dangerous chemicals to dissociate the ionic bond with other materials that create the rock minerals.  The cheap labor and lack of labor and environmental regulations would make the country billions.

Then we could buy our Dre Beats headphones at a cheaper price because of the lower priced driver magnets.  That would be an economic benefit.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:55 PM
 
2013-04-07 12:54:47 PM
I laugh at Ahmadinnerjacket, too.
 
2013-04-07 12:56:01 PM

sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe


zerohedge.com?

[OhWaitYoureSerious.jpg]

[NOPE.gif]
 
2013-04-07 12:56:47 PM

PseUdononymous Savagery: The beloved Kim family has held the people down for over half of a Century. This is not going to end well for the grandson of Kim Il Suc. Second generation businesses don't fair well. Third generations are barely existent.


I hope you're right. I would enjoy watching that pudgy, dead-eyed little monster being Muammar Gaddafi'ed in the streets of Pyongyang by his starving, desperate people.
 
2013-04-07 12:57:42 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 12:58:19 PM
What a douchey article.
We don't laugh at North Korea as much as the author thinks.
We don't cower in fear from Iran as much as the author thinks.
 
2013-04-07 12:59:08 PM

meow said the dog: Listen to this as it is many times that I must be the one who provides the voice of reasoning on the website of this but you should know very much that the greatest of the leaders Emporium Kim "Carl" Jung Illest is not the individual upon which should be taken as the grain of the saltine crackers by you but instead as one who must have the serious taking before he causes the fire to fall upon the earth as if you awaken this man of the peace then not the thing will cause the stoppage of the pustular fluids doing the draining into the ends of the earth of this as the first strikes will be on both of the poles of the North one within Canada and the South one within Cold Korea as it is very much called here.  Also there will be the attack on the moon and that stupid rover on the planet of Mars will be first target of we I mean of they not we as I am certainly not the Best Korean propaganda individual.

I give the suggestion that you must do the hiding of the kids of you of the wife of you and of the husband of you because the Best Korea will be doing the nuking of the everyone around here.  Also I think we can all have agreement that Psy is the most obnoxious of all individuals on the planet and for this reason the alone no one would have the sympathy for the Slutty Korea of the South.


Hmmmm. 12:40 EDST. Looks like someone didn't get their Sunday lunch invite to the Whitehouse.
Try shaving your armpits next time.
 
2013-04-07 01:01:03 PM
They're all brown, aren't they?
 
2013-04-07 01:01:13 PM

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


Nice. Succinct and on point.
 
2013-04-07 01:02:24 PM

sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe


I appreciate that the author takes the time to  bold the crazy/insane conspiracy points.
 
2013-04-07 01:05:19 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-07 01:05:21 PM

PseUdononymous Savagery: The problem with the rare earth group of metals is that they are so expensive to mine.  They also require some seriously dangerous chemicals to dissociate the ionic bond with other materials that create the rock minerals.  The cheap labor and lack of labor and environmental regulations would make the country billions.


Yeah, the cheap labor and loose environmental laws are there.  But they're so damn technologically backward that they can't even feed their own kids, much less engage in complex mining operations.  It's another great example of the stupidity of the Kim dynasty.
 
2013-04-07 01:05:56 PM
Because North Korea can't feed themselves, while Iran can?

At least Iran has some competence, which is what makes them scary.

North Korea also just seems like a goofy bond villain from the 80's, but in real life.
 
2013-04-07 01:07:32 PM

Begoggle: What a douchey article.
We don't laugh at North Korea as much as the author thinks.
We don't cower in fear from Iran as much as the author thinks.


Yeah but, good use of the term, "Hagiography"

/had to look it up, to refresh my memory

//does not mean "worship of hags"
 
2013-04-07 01:09:35 PM

optional: You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power.


This. He is closer to the UK's Home Secretary than anything the US has.
 
2013-04-07 01:10:02 PM
A repub friend a couple years back told me that if I didn't support attacking Iran then I was saying that Israel should be destroyed, there's your difference
 
2013-04-07 01:10:34 PM

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


I like that yours was the Weeners. You're on to it.

I fear the fark out of my own government, the stranglehold they are putting on innocent citizens and I quite fear the citizens who tolerate it. I fear my government starting wars. I fear the corruption in DC.

Iran? Meh.
 
2013-04-07 01:11:42 PM

Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 400x480]


Good pic except someone mongled up the world monger
 
2013-04-07 01:11:57 PM
The only people that fear Iran are retardicans.

/The propaganda ministry in Israel would like you to now put your fingers in your ass because Iran has launched a dirty bomb and detonated it over America and putting your fingers in your bum is the only way to stop the radiation poisoning.

//Librarians are really pissed off now as the welfare bum republicans start rooting for their anus.

///If you are to fat to get your fingers anywhere near your anus, call relatives and form a circle.
 
2013-04-07 01:13:52 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.


No, but they have said NK wants to bomb the US, and they "have the capability"
/had to put my weights down from laughing that hard...
 
2013-04-07 01:14:49 PM

optional: You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much farther beyond its borders, and no one-absolutely no one-actually gives a shiat about the Palestinians.


I just wanted to thank you for posting something actually well-thought out and informative. Why you're posting to FARK, I'll never know.

Jesus was a space alien.

shortymac: Because North Korea can't feed themselves, while Iran can?


I was thinking on a whole paragraph plus response, but you nailed it in just one sentence.
 
2013-04-07 01:16:39 PM

sheep snorter: The only people that fear Iran are retardicans.


What does that make Obama?
 
2013-04-07 01:19:45 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

You can keep the cookie prize; it was too easy.
 
2013-04-07 01:19:49 PM

skinink: Because Iran is governed by Muslim fanatics.


Who are scary, unlike Stalinist fanatics.
 
2013-04-07 01:19:54 PM

ha-ha-guy: Iran managed not to totally suck balls in the 1980s when it came to war.  I don't exactly fear their military, but they actually did manage to engage in a war in semi recent history and sustain the war effort to some degree.


That is because the US was funding them.
 
2013-04-07 01:21:26 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.


Ummmmm..... know anything about Iran's history (Google under "Persia")?

You're meme/stereotype/talking point thinking is silly and naive (frightwing? really? seriously?).
 
2013-04-07 01:21:36 PM

StopLurkListen: sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe

zerohedge.com?

[OhWaitYoureSerious.jpg]

[NOPE.gif]


Mister Buttons: sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe

I appreciate that the author takes the time to  bold the crazy/insane conspiracy points.


Yes, I guess it is easier to believe in Zombies.
 
2013-04-07 01:22:34 PM

Counter_Intelligent: frightwingers


Good word.
 
2013-04-07 01:22:46 PM
Yep, Fatty Kim the Third's minions throw so much as one artillery shell in the general direction of Seoul or Tokyo, there will be a couple of dozen PRC People's Army divisions in Pyongyang inquiring politely as to the health of him and his senior minions. They don't need the headache another land war in East Asia would provide (or at least, a land war involving one of their major trading partners).

Also, China uses NK as a communist buffer state. China knows that anyone who puts their mind to it can roll over NK due to the last half century plus of infrastructure neglect. China does not want a capitalist country on the boarder if they can avoid it. If NK starts actually trying to start a war, rather than just posturing, China will go in and make them a puppet state rather than allowing a capitalist country to come in and take over. It wouldn't take much work/money on their part, and would probably be the fastest, easiest solution for everyone including the NK people. Sad when having another country make your government into a puppet is the best solution you can hope for.

/Subby should have said 'take seriously' not 'fear'.
 
2013-04-07 01:23:34 PM

Peter von Nostrand: We fear Iran? When did this happen?


Actually, it is the Arab states that are scared shiatless of Iran.

Fun Fact: Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs.
 
2013-04-07 01:26:41 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Actually, it is the Arab states that are scared shiatless of Iran.

Fun Fact: Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs.


Oh hello Richard Romero I did not know you had the account on the Fark.com website.  What is next that you will say to us?  Is that you will say that the Best Korea is the number one vacation spot of the world over the next week because of the many parades?  Well everyone also has knowledge of this Captain Obvious Hipster Full O'Facts that Most People Have Knowing.
 
2013-04-07 01:26:44 PM
Is it because Iran is so close to Benghazi?

BENGHAZI!
 
2013-04-07 01:27:08 PM

optional: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

The biggest difference is in how grounded in reality they are. The Kim clan is clearly stark raving bonkers, the type that never really gets anywhere because it doesn't understand reality well enough to put one foot in front of the other. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but the only way they'll ever get something into orbit is to aim at the ground. Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, understands reality well enough to actually do things, and there's nothing funny about the things he wants to do. He doesn't have nuclear weapons yet, but it's easy to chart his steady progress toward one.

You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much ...


It's so nice to read occasional clear, fact-based thinking on Fark.
 
2013-04-07 01:27:14 PM

jake_lex: Altair: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not even remotely likely, I promise.

You know, one of the quick tricks I use to determine if I should take someone's politics seriously is this: if they call the People's Republic of China "Communist China", I know I can safely ignore them.

There's no way in hell China is going to let North Korea cause a problem for 3 of their biggest trade partners. Mao is dead.  The people in charge now want that less than anyone else.

Besides, it stirkes me that as shiatty as North Korea's missile technology is, if they do attempt to lob a missile at the United States, or even at Japan, there's a pretty good chance they end up nuking China instead.


Another trick for determining whose politics to take seriously: if someone actually thinks Mahmoud is the one who has the power to call the shot in Iran.
 
2013-04-07 01:29:20 PM
Kim Un looks like asian Bobby Hill, and Iran's leader looks vaguely like the Most Interesting Man in the World.
 
2013-04-07 01:29:51 PM
Wow, the Israel love is strong in this thread.

Since the 1950's NK has routinely said they'd turn South Korea in to a smoldering pile of ash yet you don't see anybody in this thread caring, or knowing, this is the case.
 
2013-04-07 01:31:04 PM
I always thought he looked like Pugsley Adams
 
2013-04-07 01:31:29 PM

ha-ha-guy: I don't fear them, but I do hope the CIA is busy helping the Persian youth form organizations that will lead to regime change.


Because it turned out so great the last time the CIA got involved with regime change in Iran.

/Prefers Bon Ami
 
2013-04-07 01:31:33 PM
A nuclear Iran diminishes our influence in the Middle East.  A nuclear North Korea does nothing to diminish our Asian-Pacific influence.  China is the deterrent there; North Korea is superfluous.
 
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