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(The Atlantic)   Why do we laugh at North Korea but fear Iran? Is it because Kim Jong-Un looks like Moe Howard mated with an Oompa Loompa and Mahmoud Ahmacrazyman looks like Christoph Waltz?   (theatlantic.com) divider line 252
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2013-04-07 10:06:50 AM  
I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.
 
2013-04-07 10:13:02 AM  
We don't face the same challenges with NK as we do with Iran. Once you look past the superficial "enemy with nuclear ambitions" facade, you find very different countries capable of very different levels of mischief.
 
2013-04-07 10:23:59 AM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


vygramul: We don't face the same challenges with NK as we do with Iran. Once you look past the superficial "enemy with nuclear ambitions" facade, you find very different countries capable of very different levels of mischief.


Both of these.  Iran does have the potential to make good on its threats, should they ever get a charismatic leader in office again.  North Korea is just trying to maintain their society's siege mentality, AFAIK.  They have far less potential to be truly problematic, their entire treat being that they could bring China into a war against us again.
 
2013-04-07 10:45:59 AM  
Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.
 
2013-04-07 10:57:16 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.


NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.
 
2013-04-07 10:59:39 AM  

Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.


Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.
 
2013-04-07 11:07:59 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


I'd be highly surprised. Back in the 50's the Chinese Govt. was much more ideologically driven. They had no love for the West, and no real incentive to be accommodating. Not so much these days.There is too much riding on a peaceful US-China relationship, economically speaking. The Chinese know the NK regime is a dead end. They know that oppression (even if they occasionally use it themselves) is a losing policy.
 
2013-04-07 11:12:41 AM  

Dinki: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

I'd be highly surprised. Back in the 50's the Chinese Govt. was much more ideologically driven. They had no love for the West, and no real incentive to be accommodating. Not so much these days.There is too much riding on a peaceful US-China relationship, economically speaking. The Chinese know the NK regime is a dead end. They know that oppression (even if they occasionally use it themselves) is a losing policy.


Also, China at the time was very weak and the Communists still didn't have a strong hold on the government.  There was a vocal China First faction within the US that was pressuring President Truman to take military action against the ChiComs.  The Chinese and Russians were content to let Kim Il Sung push the UN forces off the peninsula, but when the UN forces pushed back and MacArthur started talking about using nukes, the Chinese intervened.
 
2013-04-07 11:13:05 AM  

Dinki: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

I'd be highly surprised. Back in the 50's the Chinese Govt. was much more ideologically driven. They had no love for the West, and no real incentive to be accommodating. Not so much these days.There is too much riding on a peaceful US-China relationship, economically speaking. The Chinese know the NK regime is a dead end. They know that oppression (even if they occasionally use it themselves) is a losing policy.


Let's hope so.  But wars are generally known for involving nations who really shouldn't have a dog in the fight other than they had an alliance with one side or the other.

We'll probably never see, anyway - I'm pretty sure this is Kim's way of convincing his people that the siege is still on, that his threats made us back down, and he's in charge just like his father and grandfather.
 
2013-04-07 11:15:08 AM  
When was the last time North Korea threatened to destroy Israel?
 
2013-04-07 11:15:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

I'd be highly surprised. Back in the 50's the Chinese Govt. was much more ideologically driven. They had no love for the West, and no real incentive to be accommodating. Not so much these days.There is too much riding on a peaceful US-China relationship, economically speaking. The Chinese know the NK regime is a dead end. They know that oppression (even if they occasionally use it themselves) is a losing policy.

Let's hope so.  But wars are generally known for involving nations who really shouldn't have a dog in the fight other than they had an alliance with one side or the other.

We'll probably never see, anyway - I'm pretty sure this is Kim's way of convincing his people that the siege is still on, that his threats made us back down, and he's in charge just like his father and grandfather.


And here I thought Dinki's point was that NK couldn't be a regional power because China was the regional power, and Iran didn't have that problem in their region.
 
2013-04-07 11:16:03 AM  
I can not picture the citizens of Iran supporting a war with the U.S. much at all. Best Korea on the other hand...
 
2013-04-07 11:17:37 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


Not even remotely likely, I promise.
 
2013-04-07 11:17:53 AM  
Because even the stupidest person can't be convinced North Korea is full of scary Muslins ready to bring Sharia Law to the Skeeter Holler Potluck and Mudlympics.
 
2013-04-07 11:25:54 AM  
We fear Iran? When did this happen?
 
2013-04-07 11:28:04 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: We fear Iran? When did this happen?


"Fear" as in "I'm afraid we're going to have to kill you now."
 
2013-04-07 11:48:28 AM  

Altair: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not even remotely likely, I promise.


You know, one of the quick tricks I use to determine if I should take someone's politics seriously is this: if they call the People's Republic of China "Communist China", I know I can safely ignore them.

There's no way in hell China is going to let North Korea cause a problem for 3 of their biggest trade partners. Mao is dead.  The people in charge now want that less than anyone else.

Besides, it stirkes me that as shiatty as North Korea's missile technology is, if they do attempt to lob a missile at the United States, or even at Japan, there's a pretty good chance they end up nuking China instead.
 
2013-04-07 12:01:28 PM  

jake_lex: Altair: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not even remotely likely, I promise.

You know, one of the quick tricks I use to determine if I should take someone's politics seriously is this: if they call the People's Republic of China "Communist China", I know I can safely ignore them.

There's no way in hell China is going to let North Korea cause a problem for 3 of their biggest trade partners. Mao is dead.  The people in charge now want that less than anyone else.

Besides, it stirkes me that as shiatty as North Korea's missile technology is, if they do attempt to lob a missile at the United States, or even at Japan, there's a pretty good chance they end up nuking China instead.


I know this and I'd love to think that it would preclude people doing stupid shiat.  But as I said before, wars are kind of known for creating strange bedfellows, drawing in nations that have no business there and generally making nations do things you wouldn't think they would consider.

Hopefully, my nagging doubts are all for naught.
 
2013-04-07 12:06:15 PM  
I'm more afraid of Iran in a "Oh shiat, they're going to talk us into going to war with them, aren't they?" kind of way.
 
2013-04-07 12:08:38 PM  
Israel.
 
2013-04-07 12:14:01 PM  
I had no idea that I feared Iran...
 
2013-04-07 12:17:09 PM  
I laugh at both of them.  Their "leadership" anyway.
 
2013-04-07 12:18:31 PM  

CaptSacto: When was the last time North Korea threatened to destroy Israel?


Well, he regularly destroys matzo soup, so it's best to be careful.
 
2013-04-07 12:18:53 PM  
Because Iran is governed by Muslim fanatics.
 
2013-04-07 12:19:59 PM  
Iran has always been a regional power. The Fox news people are deluded if they think they weren't already. There are plenty of nutjobs who'd like us to flatten either Best Korea or Iran, but they're the kind that thinks America is the greatest country in the world, but Obama is a secret Kenyan muslin communist who'll sell grammy's liver to a Turkishman.

I think we should just give China a few billion for them to roll south and turn Best Korea into a Wal-Mart manufacturing hub.
 
2013-04-07 12:20:55 PM  

skinink: Because Iran is governed by Muslim fanatics.


Oh, ok. Now I'm frightened. Any word on when they are invading, and can I say goodbye to my family?
 
2013-04-07 12:21:12 PM  

JerseyTim: I'm more afraid of Iran in a "Oh shiat, they're going to talk us into going to war with them, aren't they?" kind of way.


It's a bit like blaming women for dressing slutty. "She was just asking for an invasion!"
 
2013-04-07 12:29:11 PM  

r1niceboy: I think we should just give China a few billion for them to roll south and turn Best Korea into a Wal-Mart manufacturing hub.


They could already save a few billion by not propping up the Norks, so there's no reason to think that a few more from us would motivate anything.
 
2013-04-07 12:30:30 PM  
Iran managed not to totally suck balls in the 1980s when it came to war.  I don't exactly fear their military, but they actually did manage to engage in a war in semi recent history and sustain the war effort to some degree.  Plus Iran gets some bonus points for being "annoying farkheads to fund various militant Islamic groups" and their general douchebaggery in southern Iraq.

It also doesn't help that Iran's demographics seem to suggest the theocracy is not going to survive long when the younger generations come to power, and rulers sometimes start shiat with foreign countries when their grasp on power slips.

North Korea has the ability to commit one horrible act, hitting Seoul with missiles/artillery fire which will be instantly followed by the ROK and Americans smashing North Korea like the bug it is.  Some estimates say it would take less than 72 hours to overrun North Korea in terms of seizing all their military bases.  Iran has the potential to actually be a semi long term annoyance and screw with regional stability.  I don't fear them, but I do hope the CIA is busy helping the Persian youth form organizations that will lead to regime change.
 
2013-04-07 12:30:50 PM  
It is one thing to fight over real estate and resources like what is happening in Korea.  They are fighting over political ideals and power.  N Korea is mostly an atheist communist country.  It is a totally different thing when you announce that you have your god and prophet on your side.

Iran is threatening Israel.  There are Jewish bankers in the United States that have a vested interest in preventing Israel from becoming a glass parking lot.  Iran knows that if they go to war, that millions of Muslims would join the party from all over the world.

Then you have that pesky deal about oil being under the sand in that desolate part of the world.  They make trillions of dollars off of that sticky black goo. If there is a war with Iran, then we can't afford to drive our SUVs to Walmart.

N. Korea really has nothing much of value that the rest of the world wants.  If they would sit down and STFU American companies would be tripping over themselves to exploit the people of NK and pay them less than they do the Chinese and Malaysians. Hell, we are doing business with Vietnam now.  We ended our hostilities with them twenty years later than we did NK.   The beloved Kim family has held the people down for over half of a Century.  This is not going to end well for the grandson of Kim Il Suc.  Second generation businesses don't fair well.  Third generations are barely existent.
 
2013-04-07 12:32:22 PM  

JerseyTim: I'm more afraid of Iran in a "Oh shiat, they're going to talk us into going to war with them, aren't they?" kind of way.


Yeah, pretty much this, or "I'm afraid that if the US is dumb enough to elect another Republican president in the next 20 years, we'll get pulled into another war with them".

Part of the issue, too, is that Iran at least has a history of being moderately competent, and their country isn't entirely in shambles when it comes to infrastructure. You get the sense from them that if they REALLY wanted to do so, they'd have already thrown nukes at Israel (not counting Israeli intelligence preventing that from happening). They're just in the same state as NK politically where their posturing is largely for the consumption of hardliners within their own country; if they really did wipe Israel from the map (in a fantasy world where we didn't wipe them right back) they wouldn't know what to do without the big scary jewie monster to point at.
 
2013-04-07 12:33:19 PM  
just cuz.

www.japanator.com
 
2013-04-07 12:34:00 PM  

CaptSacto: When was the last time North Korea threatened to destroy Israel?


Or sat on top of or near vast oil reserves?
 
2013-04-07 12:34:14 PM  

propasaurus: Israel.


www.kabobfest.com
 
2013-04-07 12:34:30 PM  
Because that bag of shiat running the horrorshow in North Korea is just trying to keep a grip on the country.

He's going to push this staredown to the wire, then back off when the US gives him some concessions. Same old tired playbook that the human scum known as the Kim family has been using for decades.
 
2013-04-07 12:34:40 PM  
Because it's claimed Iran might attack Israel, but all NK is threatening to do is attack the US.
 
2013-04-07 12:35:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


Doubtful. Even China was telling them to knock it the fark off when they were rattling sabers about two weeks ago.
 
2013-04-07 12:35:14 PM  
Was I supposed to fear Iran this week? I never get the memo.

It was so much easier when we had that chart to tell us what color our was.
 
2013-04-07 12:35:50 PM  

PseUdononymous Savagery: N. Korea really has nothing much of value that the rest of the world wants.


They have enormous deposits of rare earth metals.  If they could feed their people long enough to mine and process that shiat, they'd literally be sitting on a modern-day gold mine.
 
2013-04-07 12:36:34 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


Between then and now, the Chinese have discovered that they like money, and a destabilizing war on their border with a close ally of their biggest trading partner isn't something they would really like to see.    So long as the Ills rattle their sabers within their own borders, nothing is going to happen.    If NK does get out of line, it will be Beijing occupying Pyonyang, not Washington, or Seoul.
 
2013-04-07 12:36:50 PM  
Despite the fact the media wants me to fear Iran, I don't
 
2013-04-07 12:36:52 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: JerseyTim: I'm more afraid of Iran in a "Oh shiat, they're going to talk us into going to war with them, aren't they?" kind of way.

It's a bit like blaming women for dressing slutty. "She was just asking for an invasion!"


For the sake of clarity, by "they" I mean the neocons.
 
2013-04-07 12:37:17 PM  
He looks cooler holding a nuclear weapon.
www.maggiesnotebook.com
 
2013-04-07 12:38:09 PM  
They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

The biggest difference is in how grounded in reality they are. The Kim clan is clearly stark raving bonkers, the type that never really gets anywhere because it doesn't understand reality well enough to put one foot in front of the other. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but the only way they'll ever get something into orbit is to aim at the ground. Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, understands reality well enough to actually do things, and there's nothing funny about the things he wants to do. He doesn't have nuclear weapons yet, but it's easy to chart his steady progress toward one.
 
2013-04-07 12:38:34 PM  
Iran has oil.

North Korea has no oil.
 
2013-04-07 12:39:25 PM  
I stopped being afraid of Muslims last month. They are really a minor cultural group, backwards and pretty harmless.
 
2013-04-07 12:39:32 PM  
Because Israel?
 
2013-04-07 12:40:24 PM  
Iran has money, NK not so much.

Takes money to be a real threat.
 
2013-04-07 12:40:28 PM  
Listen to this as it is many times that I must be the one who provides the voice of reasoning on the website of this but you should know very much that the greatest of the leaders Emporium Kim "Carl" Jung Illest is not the individual upon which should be taken as the grain of the saltine crackers by you but instead as one who must have the serious taking before he causes the fire to fall upon the earth as if you awaken this man of the peace then not the thing will cause the stoppage of the pustular fluids doing the draining into the ends of the earth of this as the first strikes will be on both of the poles of the North one within Canada and the South one within Cold Korea as it is very much called here.  Also there will be the attack on the moon and that stupid rover on the planet of Mars will be first target of we I mean of they not we as I am certainly not the Best Korean propaganda individual.

I give the suggestion that you must do the hiding of the kids of you of the wife of you and of the husband of you because the Best Korea will be doing the nuking of the everyone around here.  Also I think we can all have agreement that Psy is the most obnoxious of all individuals on the planet and for this reason the alone no one would have the sympathy for the Slutty Korea of the South.
 
2013-04-07 12:40:35 PM  
Speak for yourself, subby. I don't fear Iran either.
 
2013-04-07 12:41:21 PM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


and probably hates pistachios, too
 
2013-04-07 12:42:09 PM  

meow said the dog: Listen to this as it is many times that I must be the one who provides the voice of reasoning on the website of this but you should know very much that the greatest of the leaders Emporium Kim "Carl" Jung Illest is not the individual upon which should be taken as the grain of the saltine crackers by you but instead as one who must have the serious taking before he causes the fire to fall upon the earth as if you awaken this man of the peace then not the thing will cause the stoppage of the pustular fluids doing the draining into the ends of the earth of this as the first strikes will be on both of the poles of the North one within Canada and the South one within Cold Korea as it is very much called here.  Also there will be the attack on the moon and that stupid rover on the planet of Mars will be first target of we I mean of they not we as I am certainly not the Best Korean propaganda individual.

I give the suggestion that you must do the hiding of the kids of you of the wife of you and of the husband of you because the Best Korea will be doing the nuking of the everyone around here.  Also I think we can all have agreement that Psy is the most obnoxious of all individuals on the planet and for this reason the alone no one would have the sympathy for the Slutty Korea of the South.


woah
 
2013-04-07 12:43:20 PM  
We're not laughing AT North Korea.  We're laughing WITH the rest of the world.
 
2013-04-07 12:45:35 PM  

JerseyTim: Seth'n'Spectrum: JerseyTim: I'm more afraid of Iran in a "Oh shiat, they're going to talk us into going to war with them, aren't they?" kind of way.

It's a bit like blaming women for dressing slutty. "She was just asking for an invasion!"

For the sake of clarity, by "they" I mean the neocons.


Ah okay. Well, the confusion is fitting since it's all part of the game.
 
2013-04-07 12:47:31 PM  

Rent Party: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Between then and now, the Chinese have discovered that they like money, and a destabilizing war on their border with a close ally of their biggest trading partner isn't something they would really like to see.    So long as the Ills rattle their sabers within their own borders, nothing is going to happen.    If NK does get out of line, it will be Beijing occupying Pyonyang, not Washington, or Seoul.


Yep, Fatty Kim the Third's minions throw so much as one artillery shell in the general direction of Seoul or Tokyo, there will be a couple of dozen PRC People's Army divisions in Pyongyang inquiring politely as to the health of him and his senior minions. They don't need the headache another land war in East Asia would provide (or at least, a land war involving one of their major trading partners).
 
2013-04-07 12:49:31 PM  
The reason we fear Iran and not North Korea is that Iran has better photoshop skills.
 
2013-04-07 12:51:03 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 12:51:33 PM  
What do you mean, "we"?
 
2013-04-07 12:51:57 PM  

Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

The biggest difference is in how grounded in reality they are. The Kim clan is clearly stark raving bonkers, the type that never really gets anywhere because it doesn't understand reality well enough to put one foot in front of the other. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but the only way they'll ever get something into orbit is to aim at the ground. Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, understands reality well enough to actually do things, and there's nothing funny about the things he wants to do. He doesn't have nuclear weapons yet, but it's easy to chart his steady progress toward one.


You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much farther beyond its borders, and no one-absolutely no one-actually gives a shiat about the Palestinians.
 
2013-04-07 12:52:58 PM  
America propaganda is a powerful thing.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:33 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: They have enormous deposits of rare earth metals.  If they could feed their people long enough to mine and process that shiat, they'd literally be sitting on a modern-day gold mine.


I knew that China was the leading source for lanthanides.  I however was not aware that NK shared those resources. Thank you for  clearing that up for me.

 The problem with the rare earth group of metals is that they are so expensive to mine.  They also require some seriously dangerous chemicals to dissociate the ionic bond with other materials that create the rock minerals.  The cheap labor and lack of labor and environmental regulations would make the country billions.

Then we could buy our Dre Beats headphones at a cheaper price because of the lower priced driver magnets.  That would be an economic benefit.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:55 PM  
 
2013-04-07 12:54:47 PM  
I laugh at Ahmadinnerjacket, too.
 
2013-04-07 12:56:01 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe


zerohedge.com?

[OhWaitYoureSerious.jpg]

[NOPE.gif]
 
2013-04-07 12:56:47 PM  

PseUdononymous Savagery: The beloved Kim family has held the people down for over half of a Century. This is not going to end well for the grandson of Kim Il Suc. Second generation businesses don't fair well. Third generations are barely existent.


I hope you're right. I would enjoy watching that pudgy, dead-eyed little monster being Muammar Gaddafi'ed in the streets of Pyongyang by his starving, desperate people.
 
2013-04-07 12:57:42 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 12:58:19 PM  
What a douchey article.
We don't laugh at North Korea as much as the author thinks.
We don't cower in fear from Iran as much as the author thinks.
 
2013-04-07 12:59:08 PM  

meow said the dog: Listen to this as it is many times that I must be the one who provides the voice of reasoning on the website of this but you should know very much that the greatest of the leaders Emporium Kim "Carl" Jung Illest is not the individual upon which should be taken as the grain of the saltine crackers by you but instead as one who must have the serious taking before he causes the fire to fall upon the earth as if you awaken this man of the peace then not the thing will cause the stoppage of the pustular fluids doing the draining into the ends of the earth of this as the first strikes will be on both of the poles of the North one within Canada and the South one within Cold Korea as it is very much called here.  Also there will be the attack on the moon and that stupid rover on the planet of Mars will be first target of we I mean of they not we as I am certainly not the Best Korean propaganda individual.

I give the suggestion that you must do the hiding of the kids of you of the wife of you and of the husband of you because the Best Korea will be doing the nuking of the everyone around here.  Also I think we can all have agreement that Psy is the most obnoxious of all individuals on the planet and for this reason the alone no one would have the sympathy for the Slutty Korea of the South.


Hmmmm. 12:40 EDST. Looks like someone didn't get their Sunday lunch invite to the Whitehouse.
Try shaving your armpits next time.
 
2013-04-07 01:01:03 PM  
They're all brown, aren't they?
 
2013-04-07 01:01:13 PM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


Nice. Succinct and on point.
 
2013-04-07 01:02:24 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe


I appreciate that the author takes the time to  bold the crazy/insane conspiracy points.
 
2013-04-07 01:05:19 PM  
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-07 01:05:21 PM  

PseUdononymous Savagery: The problem with the rare earth group of metals is that they are so expensive to mine.  They also require some seriously dangerous chemicals to dissociate the ionic bond with other materials that create the rock minerals.  The cheap labor and lack of labor and environmental regulations would make the country billions.


Yeah, the cheap labor and loose environmental laws are there.  But they're so damn technologically backward that they can't even feed their own kids, much less engage in complex mining operations.  It's another great example of the stupidity of the Kim dynasty.
 
2013-04-07 01:05:56 PM  
Because North Korea can't feed themselves, while Iran can?

At least Iran has some competence, which is what makes them scary.

North Korea also just seems like a goofy bond villain from the 80's, but in real life.
 
2013-04-07 01:07:32 PM  

Begoggle: What a douchey article.
We don't laugh at North Korea as much as the author thinks.
We don't cower in fear from Iran as much as the author thinks.


Yeah but, good use of the term, "Hagiography"

/had to look it up, to refresh my memory

//does not mean "worship of hags"
 
2013-04-07 01:09:35 PM  

optional: You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power.


This. He is closer to the UK's Home Secretary than anything the US has.
 
2013-04-07 01:10:02 PM  
A repub friend a couple years back told me that if I didn't support attacking Iran then I was saying that Israel should be destroyed, there's your difference
 
2013-04-07 01:10:34 PM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


I like that yours was the Weeners. You're on to it.

I fear the fark out of my own government, the stranglehold they are putting on innocent citizens and I quite fear the citizens who tolerate it. I fear my government starting wars. I fear the corruption in DC.

Iran? Meh.
 
2013-04-07 01:11:42 PM  

Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 400x480]


Good pic except someone mongled up the world monger
 
2013-04-07 01:11:57 PM  
The only people that fear Iran are retardicans.

/The propaganda ministry in Israel would like you to now put your fingers in your ass because Iran has launched a dirty bomb and detonated it over America and putting your fingers in your bum is the only way to stop the radiation poisoning.

//Librarians are really pissed off now as the welfare bum republicans start rooting for their anus.

///If you are to fat to get your fingers anywhere near your anus, call relatives and form a circle.
 
2013-04-07 01:13:52 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.


No, but they have said NK wants to bomb the US, and they "have the capability"
/had to put my weights down from laughing that hard...
 
2013-04-07 01:14:49 PM  

optional: You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much farther beyond its borders, and no one-absolutely no one-actually gives a shiat about the Palestinians.


I just wanted to thank you for posting something actually well-thought out and informative. Why you're posting to FARK, I'll never know.

Jesus was a space alien.

shortymac: Because North Korea can't feed themselves, while Iran can?


I was thinking on a whole paragraph plus response, but you nailed it in just one sentence.
 
2013-04-07 01:16:39 PM  

sheep snorter: The only people that fear Iran are retardicans.


What does that make Obama?
 
2013-04-07 01:19:45 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

You can keep the cookie prize; it was too easy.
 
2013-04-07 01:19:49 PM  

skinink: Because Iran is governed by Muslim fanatics.


Who are scary, unlike Stalinist fanatics.
 
2013-04-07 01:19:54 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Iran managed not to totally suck balls in the 1980s when it came to war.  I don't exactly fear their military, but they actually did manage to engage in a war in semi recent history and sustain the war effort to some degree.


That is because the US was funding them.
 
2013-04-07 01:21:26 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.


Ummmmm..... know anything about Iran's history (Google under "Persia")?

You're meme/stereotype/talking point thinking is silly and naive (frightwing? really? seriously?).
 
2013-04-07 01:21:36 PM  

StopLurkListen: sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe

zerohedge.com?

[OhWaitYoureSerious.jpg]

[NOPE.gif]


Mister Buttons: sweet-daddy-2: Some people are laughing for a different reason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists- us e-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe

I appreciate that the author takes the time to  bold the crazy/insane conspiracy points.


Yes, I guess it is easier to believe in Zombies.
 
2013-04-07 01:22:34 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: frightwingers


Good word.
 
2013-04-07 01:22:46 PM  
Yep, Fatty Kim the Third's minions throw so much as one artillery shell in the general direction of Seoul or Tokyo, there will be a couple of dozen PRC People's Army divisions in Pyongyang inquiring politely as to the health of him and his senior minions. They don't need the headache another land war in East Asia would provide (or at least, a land war involving one of their major trading partners).

Also, China uses NK as a communist buffer state. China knows that anyone who puts their mind to it can roll over NK due to the last half century plus of infrastructure neglect. China does not want a capitalist country on the boarder if they can avoid it. If NK starts actually trying to start a war, rather than just posturing, China will go in and make them a puppet state rather than allowing a capitalist country to come in and take over. It wouldn't take much work/money on their part, and would probably be the fastest, easiest solution for everyone including the NK people. Sad when having another country make your government into a puppet is the best solution you can hope for.

/Subby should have said 'take seriously' not 'fear'.
 
2013-04-07 01:23:34 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: We fear Iran? When did this happen?


Actually, it is the Arab states that are scared shiatless of Iran.

Fun Fact: Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs.
 
2013-04-07 01:26:41 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Actually, it is the Arab states that are scared shiatless of Iran.

Fun Fact: Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs.


Oh hello Richard Romero I did not know you had the account on the Fark.com website.  What is next that you will say to us?  Is that you will say that the Best Korea is the number one vacation spot of the world over the next week because of the many parades?  Well everyone also has knowledge of this Captain Obvious Hipster Full O'Facts that Most People Have Knowing.
 
2013-04-07 01:26:44 PM  
Is it because Iran is so close to Benghazi?

BENGHAZI!
 
2013-04-07 01:27:08 PM  

optional: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

The biggest difference is in how grounded in reality they are. The Kim clan is clearly stark raving bonkers, the type that never really gets anywhere because it doesn't understand reality well enough to put one foot in front of the other. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but the only way they'll ever get something into orbit is to aim at the ground. Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, understands reality well enough to actually do things, and there's nothing funny about the things he wants to do. He doesn't have nuclear weapons yet, but it's easy to chart his steady progress toward one.

You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much ...


It's so nice to read occasional clear, fact-based thinking on Fark.
 
2013-04-07 01:27:14 PM  

jake_lex: Altair: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not even remotely likely, I promise.

You know, one of the quick tricks I use to determine if I should take someone's politics seriously is this: if they call the People's Republic of China "Communist China", I know I can safely ignore them.

There's no way in hell China is going to let North Korea cause a problem for 3 of their biggest trade partners. Mao is dead.  The people in charge now want that less than anyone else.

Besides, it stirkes me that as shiatty as North Korea's missile technology is, if they do attempt to lob a missile at the United States, or even at Japan, there's a pretty good chance they end up nuking China instead.


Another trick for determining whose politics to take seriously: if someone actually thinks Mahmoud is the one who has the power to call the shot in Iran.
 
2013-04-07 01:29:20 PM  
Kim Un looks like asian Bobby Hill, and Iran's leader looks vaguely like the Most Interesting Man in the World.
 
2013-04-07 01:29:51 PM  
Wow, the Israel love is strong in this thread.

Since the 1950's NK has routinely said they'd turn South Korea in to a smoldering pile of ash yet you don't see anybody in this thread caring, or knowing, this is the case.
 
2013-04-07 01:31:04 PM  
I always thought he looked like Pugsley Adams
 
2013-04-07 01:31:29 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I don't fear them, but I do hope the CIA is busy helping the Persian youth form organizations that will lead to regime change.


Because it turned out so great the last time the CIA got involved with regime change in Iran.

/Prefers Bon Ami
 
2013-04-07 01:31:33 PM  
A nuclear Iran diminishes our influence in the Middle East.  A nuclear North Korea does nothing to diminish our Asian-Pacific influence.  China is the deterrent there; North Korea is superfluous.
 
2013-04-07 01:32:43 PM  
I always laugh at leaders in proportion to how much compensatory dick-waving they seem to partake in.

Ahmadinejad's (and the Supreme Leader pulling strings behind the scene) actions seem to indicate that they have tootsie roll penises.

Kim Jong Un, on the other hand, probably has a genital region that looks like it was divided by zero.

/geopolitics is dick-waving
//you heard it here first
 
2013-04-07 01:32:54 PM  

Captain Dan: A nuclear Iran diminishes our influence in the Middle East.


Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.
 
2013-04-07 01:35:01 PM  

dennysgod: Wow, the Israel love is strong in this thread.

Since the 1950's NK has routinely said they'd turn South Korea in to a smoldering pile of ash yet you don't see anybody in this thread caring, or knowing, this is the case.


..and yet somehow, Seoul is still standing
 
2013-04-07 01:35:38 PM  
Because South Korea wasn't smart enough to create a massively powerful lobbyst group to bribe american politicians to put our own interests secondary to a foreign countries like some other country did.
 
2013-04-07 01:36:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.


Are you farking kidding?  Of course Pakistan does.
 
2013-04-07 01:38:29 PM  
North Korea launches a missile. We laugh our asses off as it crashes into the ocean. Iran launches a missile. We bomb the shiat out of them because they just attacked Israel. That's the difference.
 
2013-04-07 01:38:29 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Captain Dan: A nuclear Iran diminishes our influence in the Middle East.

Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.


It does. That is why the US pays massive amount of money to Pakistan; to pay them off and to keep them from flexing their dicks.
 
2013-04-07 01:39:05 PM  

optional: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

The biggest difference is in how grounded in reality they are. The Kim clan is clearly stark raving bonkers, the type that never really gets anywhere because it doesn't understand reality well enough to put one foot in front of the other. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but the only way they'll ever get something into orbit is to aim at the ground. Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, understands reality well enough to actually do things, and there's nothing funny about the things he wants to do. He doesn't have nuclear weapons yet, but it's easy to chart his steady progress toward one.

You have to keep in mind that the Iranian president has relatively little real power. All of that lies in the Supreme Leader, who's a cruel and power-hungry bastard pretending to be a religious fanatic. It's an utterly cynical regime.

If the Iranian government was as crazy as people think, they wouldn't have accepted outside intervention to end the Iran-Iraq War. The Supreme Leader wants power and regional hegemony, and he knows he won't accomplish that by actually lobbing nukes at people (especially if, like Israel, they can lob nukes back).

Instead, the nuclear weapons are designed to force people to take Iran seriously. It's also completely undermining his country (what with its terrible economy and bad political situation), but this is seen as an acceptable sacrifice.

The problem with a nuclear Iran is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will all start looking to get their own in order to keep up with the joneses. It's a fair point that, since they didn't do it in regards to Israel, they won't do it for Iran-however, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies are much more frightened of Iran than they are of Israel. Israel's just something the local Muslim countries use when they want to rattle sabers. The leadership knows Israel's never going to go much ...


One of the reasons China really doesn't like a nuclear North Korea is because it creates a situation where Japan might decide it wants nukes. And then maybe Taiwan.

Nuclear proliferation doesn't do people much good.
 
2013-04-07 01:39:58 PM  

Captain Dan: cameroncrazy1984: Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.

Are you farking kidding?  Of course Pakistan does.


And that's why our drones can't strike there anym-
 
2013-04-07 01:40:35 PM  
It's because North Korea is full of starving, repressed near-slaves, while Iran actually has a serious military, a working economy, and represents an actual threat.

Besides, North Korea can't threaten Israel.
 
2013-04-07 01:40:42 PM  

Fallout Boy: cameroncrazy1984: Captain Dan: A nuclear Iran diminishes our influence in the Middle East.

Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.

It does. That is why the US pays massive amount of money to Pakistan; to pay them off and to keep them from flexing their dicks.


The US has been giving Pakistan plenty of cash and help for decades.
 
2013-04-07 01:41:19 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Because even the stupidest person can't be convinced North Korea is full of scary Muslins ready to bring Sharia Law to the Skeeter Holler Potluck and Mudlympics.


http://www.wnd.com/2002/10/15716/  WND is going to give it the old Bob Jones College try.
 
2013-04-07 01:43:24 PM  
They're not judged by the damage they can do, but the clusterfark they can start. If Iran starts a war with Israel, it could very well ignite the whole region - a region that contains a whole smorgasbord of different ethnicities, religious sects, secular groups, and governments who either outright hate each other or are just waiting for an excuse, all of which are sitting on top of a very large pile of one of the most imporntant resources on the planet, not to mention the chance of bringing in the big boys to play.

If North Korea starts a war with South Korea (or anyone else), they'll be stomped flat in about three hours, at which point China will close off their borders and spend a decade or two selling supplies and materials to whoever gets stuck rebuilding Korea.
 
2013-04-07 01:44:17 PM  
DPRK:  "We're going to blow Seoul to smithereens!"
Me:  "Hahahaha!  Hilarious!  Stop it, you're killing me!  HAHAHAHAHA!!!"
 
2013-04-07 01:44:29 PM  
We don't make fun of Iran every time they Photoshop missiles and jet fighters into a picture?
 
2013-04-07 01:47:57 PM  

dennysgod: Wow, the Israel love is strong in this thread.

Since the 1950's NK has routinely said they'd turn South Korea in to a smoldering pile of ash yet you don't see anybody in this thread caring, or knowing, this is the case.


We don't need South Korea to exist in order to be raptured into Jesus' Embrace.
 
2013-04-07 01:52:05 PM  
we are taught to.
 
2013-04-07 01:53:32 PM  
Just to clear up some common misconceptions about leadership in Iran.
This is Iran's Supreme Leader - he's the one that's really in charge.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

This is Iran's President - he's not really in charge (Think of him as an Iranian Biden)
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com\

From a military and nuclear proliferation perspective the U.S. has more to fear from Best Korea.
 
2013-04-07 01:54:51 PM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


That includes the entire scientific/engineering industry in Iran?  Because GWB gave them a blank check to build the bomb.  They went so far as to prove that if they didn't build a bomb, the US would sooner or later go absolutely batshait and invade, killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians.

I am unaware of any test explosions.  I'm guessing that the Iranians trust the US electorate more than their own leaders.  As part of that electorate, that makes me scared silly of the Iranian government (although more for the Iranians.  I doubt it will effect me at all).
 
2013-04-07 01:57:15 PM  

Fano: Kim Un looks like asian Bobby Hill, and Iran's leader looks vaguely like the Most Interesting Man in the World.


I came to write something serious and then this gem popped-up.    Well done.   And accurate.
 
2013-04-07 01:58:02 PM  
because Persian empire compared to cabbager farmers?
 
2013-04-07 01:59:03 PM  

dennysgod: Wow, the Israel love is strong in this thread.

Since the 1950's NK has routinely said they'd turn South Korea in to a smoldering pile of ash yet you don't see anybody in this thread caring, or knowing, this is the case.


Yes this will happen very much do you not have the forgetting of this either BIZNACHOS.  LAUGHTER OL I am the funny person who will do the LAUGHTER OLs during the rocket testing which you will see in 3 days.

craigzy: we are taught to.


This is due to the incompetence of the leadership in the country of you.  Why do they not do the embrace of the television channels of the Democratic Amazingness of the Greatest of all Six Koreas on the television each day?
 
2013-04-07 01:59:19 PM  

FormlessOne: It's because North Korea is full of starving, repressed near-slaves, while Iran actually has a serious military, a working economy, and represents an actual threat.

Besides, North Korea can't threaten Israel.


Came here to say this.

IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.
 
2013-04-07 02:01:48 PM  

Arkanaut: IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.


THAT would be the actual flashpoint to any conflict with Iran.

/remember what the -real- reason for invading Iraq was
 
2013-04-07 02:03:25 PM  
korean kim is dennis rodmans butt boy.
 
2013-04-07 02:05:05 PM  

Arkanaut: FormlessOne: It's because North Korea is full of starving, repressed near-slaves, while Iran actually has a serious military, a working economy, and represents an actual threat.

Besides, North Korea can't threaten Israel.

Came here to say this.

IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.


Yep, and even with that, the biggest long-term loser would be Iran.  A slow suicide for the regime as opposed to the shotgun to the head that would follow Iran using a nuke.
 
2013-04-07 02:07:31 PM  

The Bestest: Arkanaut: IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.

THAT would be the actual flashpoint to any conflict with Iran.

/remember what the -real- reason for invading Iraq was


Well, yeah. To compound the problem, Iraq was a balance against Iran similar to how a nuclear India is a balance against a nuclear Pakistan.

I wish we could say that we're concerned about the human rights of the citizens of the world, but yeah. About that...
 
2013-04-07 02:09:24 PM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


Iranian homosexuals might disagree.
 
2013-04-07 02:11:14 PM  
What would the goal be to start a war with the US? Like what would they have to gain?
 
2013-04-07 02:14:34 PM  
I actually worry more about NK and their nuclear weapons. Even blowing one up on a land mass would be bad. I would hate to think what would happen if they nuked some part of Hawaii or the Philippines or even SK.

Once Iran gets nuclear weapons I'll worry about them too.

I also worry about Syria and its chemical weapons.

You know, time to get outside in the sun.
 
2013-04-07 02:14:44 PM  

meow said the dog: Listen to this as it is many times that I must be the one who provides the voice of reasoning on the website of this but you should know very much that the greatest of the leaders Emporium Kim "Carl" Jung Illest is not the individual upon which should be taken as the grain of the saltine crackers by you but instead as one who must have the serious taking before he causes the fire to fall upon the earth as if you awaken this man of the peace then not the thing will cause the stoppage of the pustular fluids doing the draining into the ends of the earth of this as the first strikes will be on both of the poles of the North one within Canada and the South one within Cold Korea as it is very much called here.  Also there will be the attack on the moon and that stupid rover on the planet of Mars will be first target of we I mean of they not we as I am certainly not the Best Korean propaganda individual.

I give the suggestion that you must do the hiding of the kids of you of the wife of you and of the husband of you because the Best Korea will be doing the nuking of the everyone around here.  Also I think we can all have agreement that Psy is the most obnoxious of all individuals on the planet and for this reason the alone no one would have the sympathy for the Slutty Korea of the South.


Reading your stuff has made me completely unable to detect spam, which inability got me banned elsewhere.  Thanks for that.
 
2013-04-07 02:15:08 PM  
Another reason, just off the top of my head: the North Koreans are so insanely isolationist, that they don't have translators trained in the typical way that everyone else does -- i.e. by living in foreign countries and conversing with the native speakers.  Everyone is trained entirely by textbook, except for an elite few who might have access to a small and heavily censored library of foreign movies.  As a result their English-language propaganda sound positively silly, because they're trying to cram Korean aphorisms and metaphors into English, and they don't know what the English equivalent would be.  The fact that the propaganda is by nature bombastic doesn't help.
 
2013-04-07 02:16:54 PM  

Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.


You have that exactly backwards.   North Korea holds the fourth largest standing army in the world, including the largest artillery battery on Earth.   They have openly tested nuclear weapons, they have fired missiles over Japan, and they have fired on and sunk South Korean navy ships.   They are not only nuts, they are openly belligerent.  The Iranians like to rattle their sabres and the American media likes to tell you they're two years away from teh bomb, just like they have been for the last three decades.

In terms of global stability, North Korea is the far greater threat.
 
2013-04-07 02:18:59 PM  
One reason we don't fear NK is despite the nukes is that China doesn't want the mess the war will cause them. Imagine millions of NK refugees pouring into china at the outbreak of war.
 
2013-04-07 02:23:26 PM  

Rent Party: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

You have that exactly backwards.   North Korea holds the fourth largest standing army in the world, including the largest artillery battery on Earth.   They have openly tested nuclear weapons, they have fired missiles over Japan, and they have fired on and sunk South Korean navy ships.   They are not only nuts, they are openly belligerent.  The Iranians like to rattle their sabres and the American media likes to tell you they're two years away from teh bomb, just like they have been for the last three decades.

In terms of global stability, North Korea is the far greater threat.




Don't confuse size of it's army with combat readiness and the ability to mobilize it
 
2013-04-07 02:23:49 PM  

people: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


Exactly.  South Koreans are NOT God's chosen people and South Korea is not the holy land.  Anyone who believes our Iran rhetoric isn't fueled in ethnic/religious supremacy is a retard.
 
2013-04-07 02:23:56 PM  
"We" don't fear Iran. I think the same people take both seriously.
 
2013-04-07 02:24:00 PM  

Arkanaut: FormlessOne: It's because North Korea is full of starving, repressed near-slaves, while Iran actually has a serious military, a working economy, and represents an actual threat.

Besides, North Korea can't threaten Israel.

Came here to say this.

IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.


And this the the serious reason. Though NK could potentially cause trouble with South Korea and Japan, due to the isolation of the hermit kingdom even with a nuke they are little more than the mouse who roared. They've been contained for 50 years of pointless posturing. Iran, OTOH is located in a way to cause a lot of geopolitical turmoil for western nations if they decided to get too saucy.
 
2013-04-07 02:24:08 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: One reason we don't fear NK is despite the nukes is that China doesn't want the mess the war will cause them. Imagine millions of NK refugees pouring into china at the outbreak of war.


Plus, they're gonna want their money back some day and they don't want the possibility of a democratic nation on their border after the dust settles.
 
2013-04-07 02:31:18 PM  
We don't fear Iran but we do covet their oil, so it's convenient to paint them as a threat, just in case Haliburton wins the White House again.
 
2013-04-07 02:32:19 PM  
I think not having a Republican as President calms fear mongering/hysteria also. If Romney had won, I suspect we'd be having two wars right now.
 
2013-04-07 02:34:19 PM  
I have had the feeling of impending doom since I heard we were going to be attacked with nukes. I have not had this feeling since I thought for sure I was going to die sailing one day. I have had an extremely bad week trying to come to grips of the thought of a young kid with the power of nukes wrecking civilization. I even bought a Geiger counter. Made emergency plans with my family to meet in case it hits the fan. Keeping gas tanks topped off. That was my week while trying to earn a living. Until I met some dude at Best Buy just hanging out that was ex-Army. I have no clue why he was there. Maybe to help me, who knows.

In the end, all we can do is live our lives. If some a-hole wants to kill us, there is nothing we can personally do about it. When the end comes, it comes.

I have finally made peace with my fear of nuclear war. I will not have the sword of Damocles over my head...and if  and when I do, I will not fear it.

From Wiki :

Sword of Damocles
The Damocles of the anecdote was an obsequious courtier in the court of Dionysius II of Syracuse, a 4th century BC tyrant of Syracuse, Italy. Pandering to his king, Damocles exclaimed that, as a great man of power and authority surrounded by magnificence, Dionysius was truly extremely fortunate. Dionysius then offered to switch places with Damocles, so that Damocles could taste that very fortune firsthand. Damocles quickly and eagerly accepted the king's proposal. Damocles sat down in the king's throne surrounded by every luxury, but Dionysius arranged that a huge sword should hang above the throne, held at the pommel only by a single hair of a horse's tail. Damocles finally begged the tyrant that he be allowed to depart, because he no longer wanted to be so fortunate.[2][5]
Dionysius had successfully conveyed a sense of the constant fear in which the great man lives. Cicero uses this story as the last in a series of contrasting examples for reaching the conclusion he had been moving towards in this fifth Disputation, in which the theme is that virtue is sufficient for living a happy life.[6] Cicero asks:
Does not Dionysius seem to have made it sufficiently clear that there can be nothing happy for the person over whom some fear always looms?
 
2013-04-07 02:34:35 PM  

raatz01: I think not having a Republican as President calms fear mongering/hysteria also. If Romney had won, I suspect we'd be having two wars right now.


If we had a Republican president, all the people who are silent on Obama's drone wars in Pakistan and Yemen would be outraged over the number of innocents being murdered.
 
2013-04-07 02:36:30 PM  

hawcian: They're not judged by the damage they can do, but the clusterfark they can start. If Iran starts a war with Israel, it could very well ignite the whole region - a region that contains a whole smorgasbord of different ethnicities, religious sects, secular groups, and governments who either outright hate each other or are just waiting for an excuse, all of which are sitting on top of a very large pile of one of the most imporntant resources on the planet, not to mention the chance of bringing in the big boys to play.

If North Korea starts a war with South Korea (or anyone else), they'll be stomped flat in about three hours, at which point China will close off their borders and spend a decade or two selling supplies and materials to whoever gets stuck rebuilding Korea.


This.

If Iran bombs Israel, Israel goes B-A-N-A-N-A-S and then everyone else who hates Israel in the region breaks out their crazy and the entire oil region dissolves into Armageddon. If Norks bomb ANYTHING, everyone turns their back on the Norks and they're taken out, no extra regional conflicts. South Korea is not going to go out of their minds if Norks come south. If Iran does anything to Israel, its on like Donkey Kong on all fronts.

Israel is the pin on the grenade. If they reacted to Iran, anything goes with the rest of the region.
 
2013-04-07 02:36:32 PM  

shortymac: Because North Korea can't feed themselves, while Iran can?

At least Iran has some competence, which is what makes them scary.

North Korea also just seems like a goofy bond villain from the 80's, but in real life.


North Korea WAS a Bond villain.
 
2013-04-07 02:38:30 PM  
Iran is full of scary Moslems.

Chinamen have small dicks.

/all look same
 
2013-04-07 02:40:01 PM  

Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 400x480]


 OK, that's as funny as fark - but what's a "mongler"?
 
2013-04-07 02:40:30 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I have had the feeling of impending...[but somehow over the week of this I grew testicles]


I have done the summarization of this for you for those who believe you have written something upon which was too long to do the reading of and also was filled with the intense paranoia.
 
2013-04-07 02:40:52 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: North Korea WAS a Bond villain.


He was Korean but he wasn't sanctioned by the Korean government. He developed a space laser that was going to be used the destroy all the mines in the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea and he underwent a DNA re-sequencing procedure that turned him in a caucasian and there was an invisible car and Halle Berry and Madonna and God that movie sucked.
 
2013-04-07 02:42:04 PM  

Captain Dan: cameroncrazy1984: Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.

Are you farking kidding?  Of course Pakistan does.


Or it would IF PAKISTAN WAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

Christ people, are maps really that hard to read?
 
2013-04-07 02:44:11 PM  
All kim jong etc would have to do is grow some facial hair and we'd take him seriously. Dictator + facial hair= serious, dictator with no facial hair = aww he's so FLUFFY
 
2013-04-07 02:45:07 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Arkanaut: FormlessOne: It's because North Korea is full of starving, repressed near-slaves, while Iran actually has a serious military, a working economy, and represents an actual threat.

Besides, North Korea can't threaten Israel.

Came here to say this.

IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.

Yep, and even with that, the biggest long-term loser would be Iran.  A slow suicide for the regime as opposed to the shotgun to the head that would follow Iran using a nuke.


Closing the Straits would trigger the shotgun, too. You want to see how, unassisted, the U.S. Navy can fark somebody up? Trying closing the Straits of Hormuz.
 
2013-04-07 02:46:19 PM  
No really though, what exactly would be the goal of NK or China for that matter to go to war with the US? What would be their best case scenario?
 
2013-04-07 02:48:40 PM  
Iran is considered a threat because they can feed their own people.
 
2013-04-07 02:51:46 PM  
Best Korea is just proof that Truman was an idiot.
 
2013-04-07 02:53:17 PM  

Mugato: No really though, what exactly would be the goal of NK or China for that matter to go to war with the US? What would be their best case scenario?


China has none. North Korea could be a case of intentional suicide. I'm not saying that IS the reason for this latest round of bluster, just that it is possible, if they see no other way out, that engaging a "soft war" with the US is the only way to move their country forward.
 
2013-04-07 02:54:17 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


China + NK can't bully Russia around, they can't bully South Korea around as that is backed by USA.

Who's left? Japan is backed by USA as well.
 
2013-04-07 02:55:04 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Captain Dan: cameroncrazy1984: Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.

Are you farking kidding?  Of course Pakistan does.

Or it would IF PAKISTAN WAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

Christ people, are maps really that hard to read?


Pakistan is considered part of the Middle East, a bit of an anachronistic term left over from colonial days, as opposed to the Far East on the other side of India. Google it; it's on the map along with Egypt and Turkey. Asharq al Awsat ("The Middle East" in Arabic), the pan-Arab daily paper based in London, covers the entire Muslim world from Morocco to Pakistan as "the Middle East."
 
2013-04-07 02:56:09 PM  
Um, have you seen the statements released by North Korea?  It's hard not to laugh at their creativity.
 
2013-04-07 02:56:54 PM  

Mugato: No really though, what exactly would be the goal of NK or China for that matter to go to war with the US? What would be their best case scenario?


they may be hoping for the success of the fenwick gambit.
 
2013-04-07 02:58:02 PM  

Brick-House: Best Korea is just proof that Truman MacArthur was an idiot.


FTFY. Truman didn't divide his force with a mountain range between them, and ignore the intel warnings of the Chinese invasion.
 
2013-04-07 03:00:24 PM  

Dinki: I don't fear Iran. Anyone that does has absolutly no understanding of the Iranian government.


I fear Saudi Arabia more than I fear Iran because a lot of congressmen and their staffers are on that take from those guys.
 
2013-04-07 03:00:49 PM  

legion_of_doo: Iran is full of scary Moslems.

Chinamen have small dicks.

/all look same


Chinamen? Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
 
2013-04-07 03:00:57 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Rent Party: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

You have that exactly backwards.   North Korea holds the fourth largest standing army in the world, including the largest artillery battery on Earth.   They have openly tested nuclear weapons, they have fired missiles over Japan, and they have fired on and sunk South Korean navy ships.   They are not only nuts, they are openly belligerent.  The Iranians like to rattle their sabres and the American media likes to tell you they're two years away from teh bomb, just like they have been for the last three decades.

In terms of global stability, North Korea is the far greater threat.

Don't confuse size of it's army with combat readiness and the ability to mobilize it


A standing army is already mobilized.  Their entire military is set up for one massive unifying push into South Korea.    They are entirely combat ready and completely beligerent.  The Iranians don't have anywhere near the capability that the North Koreans have.  There is a reason 35,000 US soldiers sit on the DMZ every day of the year.
 
2013-04-07 03:05:16 PM  

spawn73: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

China + NK can't bully Russia around, they can't bully South Korea around as that is backed by USA.

Who's left? Japan is backed by USA as well.


Let's see... who was involved last time in a Korean War... hmmm...
 
2013-04-07 03:08:16 PM  

mbillips: Evil Twin Skippy: Captain Dan: cameroncrazy1984: Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.

Are you farking kidding?  Of course Pakistan does.

Or it would IF PAKISTAN WAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

Christ people, are maps really that hard to read?

Pakistan is considered part of the Middle East, a bit of an anachronistic term left over from colonial days, as opposed to the Far East on the other side of India. Google it; it's on the map along with Egypt and Turkey. Asharq al Awsat ("The Middle East" in Arabic), the pan-Arab daily paper based in London, covers the entire Muslim world from Morocco to Pakistan as "the Middle East."


No, "classically" Pakistan was considered part of Indian Sub-continent. At least for the 450 odd years that Britain ran that part of the world.
 
2013-04-07 03:11:16 PM  

Rent Party: A standing army is already mobilized. Their entire military is set up for one massive unifying push into South Korea. They are entirely combat ready and completely beligerent.


You can have a 'standing army' and still have it be completely incompetent and useless.
Not saying the NORKS are, but:

When was the last time the average grunt fired his weapon? Does it still work? How much ammo does he have?
Vehicles - do they work? How much fuel is available?
Practice - I can give you the best equipment on the planet, but if you never practice, you suck with it. And they don't have the best equipment.
Logistics - assuming they have fuel/food/ammo....how quickly can they ressuply?

The NORKS have a lot of people in uniform. Are they any good?
Iraq had a massive military in 1990. They didn't last long.
 
2013-04-07 03:12:42 PM  
true or false: how long is a string
 
2013-04-07 03:14:54 PM  

meow said the dog: true or false: how long is a string


Mu
 
2013-04-07 03:16:02 PM  

Rent Party: Mid_mo_mad_man: Rent Party: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

You have that exactly backwards.   North Korea holds the fourth largest standing army in the world, including the largest artillery battery on Earth.   They have openly tested nuclear weapons, they have fired missiles over Japan, and they have fired on and sunk South Korean navy ships.   They are not only nuts, they are openly belligerent.  The Iranians like to rattle their sabres and the American media likes to tell you they're two years away from teh bomb, just like they have been for the last three decades.

In terms of global stability, North Korea is the far greater threat.

Don't confuse size of it's army with combat readiness and the ability to mobilize it

A standing army is already mobilized.  Their entire military is set up for one massive unifying push into South Korea.    They are entirely combat ready and completely beligerent.  The Iranians don't have anywhere near the capability that the North Koreans have.  There is a reason 35,000 US soldiers sit on the DMZ every day of the year.


Uh, no. Most of the DPRK army is nowhere near the DMZ, and consists mainly of poorly trained, ill-equipped conscripts. The U.S. has very few troops along the DMZ; South Korea troops man most of it. There are fewer than 30,000 U.S. forces in Korea, only 20,000 of them ground forces, and most of the former camps we had along the DMZ have been closed or turned over to ROK. The ROK Army has nearly a million well-equipped, well-trained soldiers with much better equipment than the Norks have. The U.S. presence is merely a token to demonstrate our seriousness about supporting the ROK in case of an attack by the North, but the South Koreans are fully capable of kicking the North's ass with no assistance.
 
2013-04-07 03:17:12 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: mbillips: Evil Twin Skippy: Captain Dan: cameroncrazy1984: Just like a nuclear Pakistan does?

Oh wait.

Are you farking kidding?  Of course Pakistan does.

Or it would IF PAKISTAN WAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

Christ people, are maps really that hard to read?

Pakistan is considered part of the Middle East, a bit of an anachronistic term left over from colonial days, as opposed to the Far East on the other side of India. Google it; it's on the map along with Egypt and Turkey. Asharq al Awsat ("The Middle East" in Arabic), the pan-Arab daily paper based in London, covers the entire Muslim world from Morocco to Pakistan as "the Middle East."

No, "classically" Pakistan was considered part of Indian Sub-continent. At least for the 450 odd years that Britain ran that part of the world.


[citation needed]
 
2013-04-07 03:25:37 PM  
media2.intoday.in
MEH, KIND'A WANT..
 
2013-04-07 03:27:50 PM  
FALSE--HOW LONG IS THE CHINAMAN LAUGHTER OBESTKOREA!!!
 
2013-04-07 03:28:30 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 400x480]

 OK, that's as funny as fark - but what's a "mongler"?


you are a puppet: Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 400x480]

Good pic except someone mongled up the world monger



I see my work here is done.
 
2013-04-07 03:30:24 PM  

mbillips: Lionel Mandrake: Arkanaut: FormlessOne: It's because North Korea is full of starving, repressed near-slaves, while Iran actually has a serious military, a working economy, and represents an actual threat.

Besides, North Korea can't threaten Israel.

Came here to say this.

IMO the more realistic Iran threat -- at least as far as American interests are concerned -- is that Iran might shut down the Straits of Hormuz, thus basically wreaking havoc on the economies of the other Gulf countries.

Yep, and even with that, the biggest long-term loser would be Iran.  A slow suicide for the regime as opposed to the shotgun to the head that would follow Iran using a nuke.

Closing the Straits would trigger the shotgun, too. You want to see how, unassisted, the U.S. Navy can fark somebody up? Trying closing the Straits of Hormuz.


True.  Slower suicide, maybe.  Like a shotgun to the wrist.
 
2013-04-07 03:30:46 PM  

GungFu: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 391x470]

You can keep the cookie prize; it was too easy.


Minor quibble, I'm pretty sure that's a photoshop.  The original is just as bad, but different.

At least, if memory serves...
 
2013-04-07 03:41:08 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Rent Party: A standing army is already mobilized. Their entire military is set up for one massive unifying push into South Korea. They are entirely combat ready and completely beligerent.

You can have a 'standing army' and still have it be completely incompetent and useless.
Not saying the NORKS are, but:

When was the last time the average grunt fired his weapon? Does it still work? How much ammo does he have?
Vehicles - do they work? How much fuel is available?
Practice - I can give you the best equipment on the planet, but if you never practice, you suck with it. And they don't have the best equipment.
Logistics - assuming they have fuel/food/ammo....how quickly can they ressuply?

The NORKS have a lot of people in uniform. Are they any good?
Iraq had a massive military in 1990. They didn't last long.


Do you know why the North Korean people are starving?  Because almost every resource the NK government has goes into maintaining their military.  Their doctrine
 isn't based on a long drawn out war.  It is based on a really fast and bloody one.
 
2013-04-07 03:41:44 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: You can have a 'standing army' and still have it be completely incompetent and useless.
Not saying the NORKS are, but:

When was the last time the average grunt fired his weapon? Does it still work? How much ammo does he have?
Vehicles - do they work? How much fuel is available?
Practice - I can give you the best equipment on the planet, but if you never practice, you suck with it. And they don't have the best equipment.
Logistics - assuming they have fuel/food/ammo....how quickly can they ressuply?

The NORKS have a lot of people in uniform. Are they any good?
Iraq had a massive military in 1990. They didn't last long.


The short answer to all of this is: most of the DPRK military is not going to be that effective.

http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-dossiers/north-korean-dos si er/north-koreas-weapons-programmes-a-net-asses/the-conventional-milita ry-balance-on-the-kore/

This report uses a standard method for scoring military readiness, and estimates North Korea's military capacity as LESS capable than Iraq circa 1990 (to be precise, 5 US heavy divisions versus 6 for Iraq in 1990).

Their primary reason is a lack of resources to properly train and equip troops. NK infantry is malnourished to the point that they raise their own livestock and grow vegetables. NK heavy equipment is typically built once and then maintained sparingly, meaning that a lot of their force is using things that were built in the 50's and 60's, and that equipment is likely to have serious maintenance issues if pressed back into service. Their troops are severely under-trained compared to other modern militaries, to the point that (anecdotally) their pilots only get a few hours of flight training every year. Their command and control structure is very hierarchical, very much still designed to fight the cold war, and would likely be very brittle in a real war situation, and the NK's themselves probably don't know exactly how brittle they are because they can't afford to conduct wargames and maneuvers designed to discover and fix exactly this kind of problem.

The big difference, as far as I am aware, is the magnitude. NK still has millions of active duty and reserve troops, and what are they going to do when the time comes? Seven million bodies is a heck of a lot.
 
2013-04-07 03:48:04 PM  

mbillips: Uh, no. Most of the DPRK army is nowhere near the DMZ, and consists mainly of poorly trained, ill-equipped conscripts. The U.S. has very few troops along the DMZ; South Korea troops man most of it. There are fewer than 30,000 U.S. forces in Korea, only 20,000 of them ground forces, and most of the former camps we had along the DMZ have been closed or turned over to ROK. The ROK Army has nearly a million well-equipped, well-trained soldiers with much better equipment than the Norks have. The U.S. presence is merely a token to demonstrate our seriousness about supporting the ROK in case of an attack by the North, but the South Koreans are fully capable of kicking the North's ass with no assistance.


See the link I posted above. The DPRK has deployed roughly 65% of it's total manpower within 100km of the DMZ, and 80% of it's total firepower.

Their entire war doctrine is based around surging into South Korea fast enough and with enough numbers so as to take Seoul immediately, and then holding it. The US's and SK's biggest strengths- their air power, their technology, and their ability to bring a lot of firepower to bear- are negated in close-in city fighting. Then they would attempt to use Seoul as a bargaining chip for a favorable cease-fire.
 
2013-04-07 03:57:20 PM  

mbillips: Rent Party: Mid_mo_mad_man: Rent Party: Millennium: They're equally insane, but the Kim family has the funny kind of crazy, while Ahmadinejad has the scary kind of crazy.

You have that exactly backwards.   North Korea holds the fourth largest standing army in the world, including the largest artillery battery on Earth.   They have openly tested nuclear weapons, they have fired missiles over Japan, and they have fired on and sunk South Korean navy ships.   They are not only nuts, they are openly belligerent.  The Iranians like to rattle their sabres and the American media likes to tell you they're two years away from teh bomb, just like they have been for the last three decades.

In terms of global stability, North Korea is the far greater threat.

Don't confuse size of it's army with combat readiness and the ability to mobilize it

A standing army is already mobilized.  Their entire military is set up for one massive unifying push into South Korea.    They are entirely combat ready and completely beligerent.  The Iranians don't have anywhere near the capability that the North Koreans have.  There is a reason 35,000 US soldiers sit on the DMZ every day of the year.

Uh, no. Most of the DPRK army is nowhere near the DMZ, and consists mainly of poorly trained, ill-equipped conscripts. The U.S. has very few troops along the DMZ; South Korea troops man most of it. There are fewer than 30,000 U.S. forces in Korea, only 20,000 of them ground forces, and most of the former camps we had along the DMZ have been closed or turned over to ROK. The ROK Army has nearly a million well-equipped, well-trained soldiers with much better equipment than the Norks have. The U.S. presence is merely a token to demonstrate our seriousness about supporting the ROK in case of an attack by the North, but the South Koreans are fully capable of kicking the North's ass with no assistance.


The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Wetting your pants over the Persians is dumb.  We gave them Iraq on a platter, and now we're trying to account for it by blaming them for our own stupidity.
 
2013-04-07 03:58:56 PM  

Fubini: mbillips: Uh, no. Most of the DPRK army is nowhere near the DMZ, and consists mainly of poorly trained, ill-equipped conscripts. The U.S. has very few troops along the DMZ; South Korea troops man most of it. There are fewer than 30,000 U.S. forces in Korea, only 20,000 of them ground forces, and most of the former camps we had along the DMZ have been closed or turned over to ROK. The ROK Army has nearly a million well-equipped, well-trained soldiers with much better equipment than the Norks have. The U.S. presence is merely a token to demonstrate our seriousness about supporting the ROK in case of an attack by the North, but the South Koreans are fully capable of kicking the North's ass with no assistance.

See the link I posted above. The DPRK has deployed roughly 65% of it's total manpower within 100km of the DMZ, and 80% of it's total firepower.

Their entire war doctrine is based around surging into South Korea fast enough and with enough numbers so as to take Seoul immediately, and then holding it. The US's and SK's biggest strengths- their air power, their technology, and their ability to bring a lot of firepower to bear- are negated in close-in city fighting. Then they would attempt to use Seoul as a bargaining chip for a favorable cease-fire.


Exactly.  They aren't gearing up for Korean War II.  They're gearing up for one massive push.
 
2013-04-07 04:02:16 PM  
I totally see the Asian Bobby hill comparison. Well done whoever that was.
 
2013-04-07 04:03:20 PM  

Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.


None of this is a certainty, particularly the readiness of equipment.

Zerging Seoul is not a bad tactic (given what they have), but it's effectiveness is not a slam dunk.
 
2013-04-07 04:17:47 PM  
Who is it that fears Iran, exactly? Nobody that matters.

Here's how I see it:

Iran: Mostly sane population sick to death of the theocratic bastards holding them down.
N Korea: Mostly batshiat crazy population brainwashed to think the whole world is out to get them.

I don't either regime will do anything really stupid unless they're on the verge of collapse. What will the people do when their regimes eventually fall?

Iran: Hopefully return to the democracy process the US derailed in 1953 (at the UK's bidding).
N Korea: Blink their eyes and return to sanity? Form a 24 million strong death cult army and go to war on the world with everything they've got? Who knows?
 
2013-04-07 04:18:46 PM  

meow said the dog: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Actually, it is the Arab states that are scared shiatless of Iran.

Fun Fact: Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs.

Oh hello Richard Romero I did not know you had the account on the Fark.com website.  What is next that you will say to us?  Is that you will say that the Best Korea is the number one vacation spot of the world over the next week because of the many parades?  Well everyone also has knowledge of this Captain Obvious Hipster Full O'Facts that Most People Have Knowing.


I've always suspected that you are one of the more intelligent and historically knowledgeable members of Fark.
 
2013-04-07 04:22:07 PM  
Religious Crazy > Strange Crazy
 
2013-04-07 04:23:17 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: spawn73: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

China + NK can't bully Russia around, they can't bully South Korea around as that is backed by USA.

Who's left? Japan is backed by USA as well.

Let's see... who was involved last time in a Korean War... hmmm...


What, you don't know? Look it up.
 
2013-04-07 04:23:20 PM  
Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.
 
2013-04-07 04:29:15 PM  

mbillips: [citation needed]


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-07 04:32:45 PM  

Theory Of Null: Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.


NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either.
 
2013-04-07 04:35:29 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


Not against the United States.  If a war or proxy war broke out between the US and China, the first thing that would happen would be the US debt to China would be invalidated.  If we were enemies, the last thing we would do would be to pay them back.  I'm sure China knows that.  That's an awful lot of money to flush away.  Ten trillion dollars, approximately.
 
2013-04-07 04:35:32 PM  
A country filled with honest, hardworking people who just want to go to work in peace drowned out by the majority of religious fundamentalists who believe their religion should rule the world, and are perpetually yelling and protesting and demanding their fellow citizen's rights be curtailed if they don't follow religious law, spurred on by right-wing people in the media who make obscene profit by pandering to this base, as do any smart politician who does the same, including the elected president, who has to assure the religious fanbase that YES; his religion should rule the world, and YES; he wants his military to attack the infidels, and must quietly bow and scrape to his country's religious leaders when all he wants to do is build some roads?

cdn.thedailybeast.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 04:36:30 PM  
I'm not reading this whole stack,,,

Show of hands, Who "fears Iran"?
You? No? You? No. Maybe over here, You? No.

Like looking for WMDs, whar are the dipsticks assuming a fear of Iran?
Oh, the media that fear mongers for The Man! Well, isn't that special.
 
2013-04-07 04:39:12 PM  

Theory Of Null: Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.


Shirley, Shirley, you jester, you.
They still don't have any that work on demand.
Invasion???
Nope, not over here, maybe over there,,,
 
2013-04-07 04:45:36 PM  

SlothB77: I totally see the Asian Bobby hill comparison. Well done whoever that was.


cdn.static.ovimg.com

He looks like he even has the right hat.
 
2013-04-07 04:45:49 PM  
I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.
 
2013-04-07 04:53:30 PM  

ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i>

NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either.


True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.
 
2013-04-07 04:57:39 PM  

whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.


Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?
 
2013-04-07 04:59:03 PM  
Hmmmm, what (O) could it (I) be (L)?
 
2013-04-07 04:59:55 PM  
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Here comes Kim Jung-Unny Boo Boo
 
2013-04-07 05:00:12 PM  

Theory Of Null: ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i>

NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either.

True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.


What farkin Nukes?
GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK.
But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!
 
2013-04-07 05:00:58 PM  
As someone who lives in Los Angeles, I'm more worried about Jimmy Buss than Kim Jong Un.
 
2013-04-07 05:05:30 PM  

snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?


you wat now?
 
2013-04-07 05:17:21 PM  

iaazathot: Hmmmm, what (O) could it (I) be (L)?


This argument is busted.

Iraq is weak.  Just go there.
 
2013-04-07 05:22:04 PM  

whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?


Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.
 
2013-04-07 05:23:59 PM  
Two words : Israel and religion


Neither of which is a factor in the NK equation.
 
2013-04-07 05:25:34 PM  

you are a puppet: A repub friend a couple years back told me that if I didn't support attacking Iran then I was saying that Israel should be destroyed, there's your difference


And yet somehow, I imagine you would say it is wrong to stereotype a group of people, eh?
 
2013-04-07 05:27:25 PM  

snocone: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83473199#c83473199" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK. If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i> NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either. True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.</i> What farkin Nukes? GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK. But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!



NK had small ones since the early 90's. They have been refining since the USSR days. All those off and on talks for the past 20 years were just a ploy so they could continue to build a big one.
 
2013-04-07 05:28:15 PM  
Because Israel yanks our chain and tells us to be afraid of Iran. And like the good little biatch we are, we bark and howl on command.
 
2013-04-07 05:43:03 PM  

Theory Of Null: snocone: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83473199#c83473199" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK. If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i> NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either. True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.</i> What farkin Nukes? GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK. But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!


NK had small ones since the early 90's. They have been refining since the USSR days. All those off and on talks for the past 20 years were just a ploy so they could continue to build a big one.


As usual, there are always offers of The Big One.
Don't see anything real, as usual.
Please reference any "successful" detonation ever demonstrated.
Successful = on time, as advertised, "real" thermonuclear reaction carried to conclusion
 
2013-04-07 05:54:48 PM  
Wow. The Atlantic needs a refresher course in theological dynamics.

Norks are at least somewhat predictable in their battlefield behavior, because they want to live through a conflict to rule over an enemy's defeat. Therefore, there are limits to their behaviors.

Shia's, particularly the Twelvers, are farking barking insane.  They Seek To Die In Battle.

The Atlantic ... who's running the show over there? This is so basic it's laughable. If we're laughing about suicidal homicidal turban wearing maniacs bent on destroying  everything.
 
2013-04-07 05:59:21 PM  

snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?

Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.


Who says I want a war? I pretty much said that we dodged a bullet with Romney not getting elected and that NK is more likely to implode than explode.
 
2013-04-07 05:59:50 PM  
Because Iran has crazy religious bigotry at its foundation and is unpredictable, whereas NK is a poor traditional battle/domination based country, that will get the shiat kicked out of it by China if they upset the apple cart too much?
 
2013-04-07 06:01:40 PM  

whidbey: snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?

Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.

Who says I want a war? I pretty much said that we dodged a bullet with Romney not getting elected and that NK is more likely to implode than explode.


My pardon, plz, used "your" in error, I see.
 
2013-04-07 06:07:14 PM  

Arkanaut: Another reason, just off the top of my head: the North Koreans are so insanely isolationist, that they don't have translators trained in the typical way that everyone else does -- i.e. by living in foreign countries and conversing with the native speakers.  Everyone is trained entirely by textbook, except for an elite few who might have access to a small and heavily censored library of foreign movies.  As a result their English-language propaganda sound positively silly, because they're trying to cram Korean aphorisms and metaphors into English, and they don't know what the English equivalent would be.  The fact that the propaganda is by nature bombastic doesn't help.


This isnt entirely accurate.  North Korea has social exchange programs, where they send their citizens abroad to be cultured.  They just dont do it with the US.  China, Russia, Cuba, etc are all key destinations.  Keep in mind that a lot of the propaganda about NK comes from us as well... our media is incredibly biased.
 
2013-04-07 06:12:07 PM  
in case you missed it, the correct answer is oil
 
2013-04-07 06:12:20 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: meow said the dog: true or false: how long is a string

Mu


I have a theory about string.
 
2013-04-07 06:12:31 PM  

snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: snocone: whidbey: I don't fear Iran, nor do I laugh at NK.

I do believe we dodged a bullet with someone like Mitt Romney almost getting elected, someone who was all too eager to prove he's a warmonger, and frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if NK is that socially psychotic to the point of where they just might kill themselves en masse like Jonestown. It's actually too disturbing to find humor in it.

Rotary 4 Way Test
Is it the truth?Is it fair to all concerned?Will it build goodwill and better friendships?Will it be beneficial to all concerned?They forgot the Trump Suit, PROFIT. If it PROFITS both sides, so what if we have to call vigorous negotiations a war?

you wat now?

Just show a few of those generals how to personally PROFIT and you can have your war.
Just a few of 'em. Bet they go for cheap.

Who says I want a war? I pretty much said that we dodged a bullet with Romney not getting elected and that NK is more likely to implode than explode.

My pardon, plz, used "your" in error, I see.


Well if you're arguing it that way, I honestly don't understand why anyone would attack Iran and run the risk of a a superpower like China getting bent out of shape that someone attacked their oil suppliers.

Plus: Quagmire 2: Jack up the Deficits

Still apparently, the Republicans seem to be hellbent on the idea, but they don't have a mouthpiece in the White House any more.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:18 PM  
Iran is a hell of a lot stronger than Iraq or Afghanistan.

And we seem to keep forgetting that every time we invade, we're playing the part of the Russians in "Red Dawn".

We're bad guys in uniform on the home field of good guys (in their opinion) in civilian clothing.

Easy pickin's, and the know we have to leave.
 
2013-04-07 06:17:48 PM  

The Bestest: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.

None of this is a certainty, particularly the readiness of equipment.

Zerging Seoul is not a bad tactic (given what they have), but it's effectiveness is not a slam dunk.


And SK has had 60 years to ponder defenses.
 
2013-04-07 06:22:04 PM  

Preston Preston: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not against the United States.  If a war or proxy war broke out between the US and China, the first thing that would happen would be the US debt to China would be invalidated.  If we were enemies, the last thing we would do would be to pay them back.  I'm sure China knows that.  That's an awful lot of money to flush away.  Ten trillion dollars, approximately.


As I said - I sincerely hope my nagging doubts are for naught, and that you are right.
 
2013-04-07 06:23:28 PM  

snocone: Theory Of Null: ChiliBoots: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686827/83472783">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Simple

If Iran had nukes we would deal with them the same way as NK.
If NK didn't have nukes they would have already been invaded.</i>

NK didn't have nuclear weapons for the first 50 years of their existence... no invasion then either.

True. but they got nukes before our patience wore thin, our military tech out weighed theirs by decades and preemptive war became the new norm. Not to mention China and Russia were more involved. Iran is not exactly mobilized like NK either. They're about as prepared as Iraq was.  If Iran had nukes they would be perceived the same way as NK. A crazy backward nation that is a problem with the cost of war being too high to do anything about it.

What farkin Nukes?
GDISM, there are no working Nukes for NK.
But, but, there is a B-3 Bomber!


A WH spokesman has categorically denied the existence of the B3 in this theater.
 
2013-04-07 06:29:02 PM  

Rent Party: Do you know why the North Korean people are starving? Because almost every resource the NK government has goes into maintaining their military. Their doctrine
isn't based on a long drawn out war. It is based on a really fast and bloody one.


If I, as a citizen, has one sandwich a week, and the military guy has 2 sandwiches a week...he is still not effective.
 
2013-04-07 06:31:02 PM  
I doubt the Iranians are any more or less insane than the Best Koreans. Both teams tend to Talk crazy at times, but I don't see any real action that proves they are. And they both know that starting anything will lead to their destruction.
 
2013-04-07 07:04:04 PM  
Why do we laugh at North Korea but fear Iran? Is it because Kim Jong-Un looks like Moe Howard mated with an Oompa Loompa and Mahmoud Ahmacrazyman looks like Christoph Waltz?

I never thought of that, but it's probably a good reason.
 
2013-04-07 07:36:01 PM  
You don't stick your military in crazy.
 
2013-04-07 07:41:40 PM  

Uncle Tractor: mbillips: [citation needed]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 734x599]


The Ottoman Empire was part of the Middle East, too.
 
2013-04-07 07:49:16 PM  

Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.


Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.
 
2013-04-07 08:20:19 PM  

mbillips: This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.


I agree, but what is Fatty Kim's exit strategy here? After the two months of threats of annihilation, will he one day say, Give us all your money? What will he do when we say, fark off? The only way I can make this make sense, in a Bruce Willis movie sort of way, has him holding several cities nuclear hostage.
 
2013-04-07 08:27:44 PM  

mbillips: Uncle Tractor: mbillips: [citation needed]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 734x599]

The Ottoman Empire was part of the Middle East, too.


Pakistan only really became part of the "Greater Middle East" in modern history. When the term entered the English lexicon, it was denoted to include everything short of India, which included Pakistan as far as the Brits and Americans and pretty much everyone else using the term was concerned.
 
2013-04-07 08:28:46 PM  

mbillips: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.


Yeah, the "we've got more" numbers reasoning didn't do Saddam much good in 1991.
 
2013-04-07 08:58:31 PM  
We fear Iran? I can see neither subby nor the author have come into one of these Iran comments threads.

Article is pretty well written and author makes some good points, but the only thing we fear from Iran is that they'll hang their Photoshop team and make it harder for us to get our LULZ. Also: why would we fear people who would pull a space-monkey switch?

But basically if we did fear Iran it would be because they could more easily put some nefarious plan into action. Kimmy Boy would have to go to Iran and get their help.
 
2013-04-07 09:14:23 PM  

Fubini: YouPeopleAreCrazy: You can have a 'standing army' and still have it be completely incompetent and useless.
Not saying the NORKS are, but:

When was the last time the average grunt fired his weapon? Does it still work? How much ammo does he have?
Vehicles - do they work? How much fuel is available?
Practice - I can give you the best equipment on the planet, but if you never practice, you suck with it. And they don't have the best equipment.
Logistics - assuming they have fuel/food/ammo....how quickly can they ressuply?

The NORKS have a lot of people in uniform. Are they any good?
Iraq had a massive military in 1990. They didn't last long.

The short answer to all of this is: most of the DPRK military is not going to be that effective.

http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-dossiers/north-korean-dos si er/north-koreas-weapons-programmes-a-net-asses/the-conventional-milita ry-balance-on-the-kore/

This report uses a standard method for scoring military readiness, and estimates North Korea's military capacity as LESS capable than Iraq circa 1990 (to be precise, 5 US heavy divisions versus 6 for Iraq in 1990).

Their primary reason is a lack of resources to properly train and equip troops. NK infantry is malnourished to the point that they raise their own livestock and grow vegetables. NK heavy equipment is typically built once and then maintained sparingly, meaning that a lot of their force is using things that were built in the 50's and 60's, and that equipment is likely to have serious maintenance issues if pressed back into service. Their troops are severely under-trained compared to other modern militaries, to the point that (anecdotally) their pilots only get a few hours of flight training every year. Their command and control structure is very hierarchical, very much still designed to fight the cold war, and would likely be very brittle in a real war situation, and the NK's themselves probably don't know exactly how brittle they are because they can't afford ...


Massed troops in the open are as good as dead in modern times. Cluster bombs are really nasty against soft targets...like people. Remember how disgusted people were when we bombed the crowded roads outside of Baghdad...this would be many times worse. The smartest thing the troops could do would be to kill their leaders, get rid of their weapons, wave white flags, and wait to be rounded up.
 
2013-04-07 09:14:30 PM  
We fear Iran more because they could do far more damage to their global economy by blocking the straights of Hormuz or using their nukes on their smaller sized neighbors. We assume that the country where religious zealots praise suicide bombings or who used to use human waves to clear mine fields, might be more willing to do something crazy with them than the communist regime in North Korea. That could be a major mis-calculation though.

And of course both countries could be completely harmless.

My real fear is what happens during a regime collapse in either place.
 
2013-04-07 09:29:48 PM  
Iran versus North Korea

Oil?
Iran: Lots
North Korea: Not so much

Race?
Iran: Not quite white enough
North Korea: Not quite Asian enough

Religion:
Iran: Sunni
North Korea: Sort of atheist, but potentially ancestor worship, Buddhism, Christian, Confucian, etc.

Politics
Iran: Jihadi?
North Korea: Communist, old school

Under control of:
Iran: No one
North Korea: China, maybe Russia

Nuclear weapons:
Iran: No, not yet
North Korea: Yes

Got its nuclear technology from
Iran: The USA under the Shah
North Korea: China or Russia

Crazy?
Iran: Like Propaganda Ali?
North Korea: Like a fox?
 
2013-04-07 09:39:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.


and Japan was US's enemy in a war just right before that one and Iran w. What's your point?
 
2013-04-07 09:47:23 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dinki: Counter_Intelligent: Also, I haven't heard frightwingers on Fox say that NK wants to be a regional power.

NK has Russia, China, and South Korea as neighbors. It wouldn't  last 5 minutes against the first 2, and SK has the US to back them up.

Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

and Japan was US's enemy in a war just right before that one and Iran w. What's your point?


My point is, the fact that NK is crazy and China trades with us doesn't necessarily preclude China getting involved on their side if a war starts.  That's all.
 
2013-04-07 09:59:39 PM  

vygramul: mbillips: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.

Yeah, the "we've got more" numbers reasoning didn't do Saddam much good in 1991.


Perhaps he wagers that he can get our killbots to switch off after he sends wave after wave of his men at them.
 
2013-04-07 10:43:49 PM  

Fano: vygramul: mbillips: Rent Party: The NK army has 1.1 million people on active status right now.  That is almost twice what the SK army has available.  The NK army has more trucks, more tanks, more artillery, and it's ready right now.   So unless you think SK can call up it's reserves in the four days that NK doctrine plans on the fight to last, we should be paying attention.   They also have a willingness to use it, which is more than the Iranians have *ever* shown.

Numbers mean nothing. South Korea's main battle tank is the equivalent of the M1 Abrams; the best North Korea has are some really, really old T-72s. South Korea flies F-16s against a very small number of modern MiGs (which they have proven to outclass over Syria and Iraq), and a boatload of '50s-era MiG-21s. The north would never make it across the DMZ. A tank 100 miles from the DMZ may as well not exist, considering the capability of South Korean and U.S. air power. Also, every intelligence source has noted that the North Koreans have NOT put their active forces on alert, or moved them into any sort of attacking position. This is just trolling by Fatty the Third.

Yeah, the "we've got more" numbers reasoning didn't do Saddam much good in 1991.

Perhaps he wagers that he can get our killbots to switch off after he sends wave after wave of his men at them.


media.fxhome.com
 
2013-04-07 11:11:40 PM  
The Dear Umpa Lumpa is in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Maybe just a little healthy respect at least?
 
2013-04-07 11:19:19 PM  
"Shirk in fear?" Who wrote this shiat?
 
2013-04-07 11:36:00 PM  

kregh99: The Dear Umpa Lumpa is in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Maybe just a little healthy respect at least?


That's what they said about Saddam. Literally, he had the worlds 4th largest army at the time, and they were comparatively better equipped than NK is today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Invasion_of_Kuwait
 
2013-04-07 11:38:32 PM  
North Korea's GDP: $12.4 billion USD

Iran's GDP: $482.4 billion USD

For some perspective:
Vermont's GSP: $24.54 billion.
 
2013-04-07 11:40:34 PM  

kregh99: The Dear Umpa Lumpa is in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Maybe just a little healthy respect at least?


Poland had the world's 8th largest army in 1939.
 
2013-04-08 12:19:50 AM  

Preston Preston: Benevolent Misanthrope: Except that China was on NK's side in the last war and might be again.

Not against the United States.  If a war or proxy war broke out between the US and China, the first thing that would happen would be the US debt to China would be invalidated.  If we were enemies, the last thing we would do would be to pay them back.  I'm sure China knows that.  That's an awful lot of money to flush away.  Ten trillion dollars, approximately.


More like $1.265 trillion actually,  Your number is, from your link, "The largest portion of U.S. debt, 68 cents for every dollar or about $10 trillion, is owned by individual investors, corporations, state and local governments and, yes, even foreign governments such as China that hold Treasury bills, notes and bonds. "
 
2013-04-08 12:36:10 AM  
Iran and the arab nations are an existential threat to the existence of the state of Israel.

Only when these countries are broken up into managable Bantustans under Israel's control will the state of Israel be free from the threat of extinction.
 
2013-04-08 01:44:33 AM  

foo monkey: Counter_Intelligent: frightwingers

Good word.


I know. I like it, too.

Meanwhile, I don't take world leaders seriously when they look like a Cabbage Patch doll.
 
2013-04-08 01:50:27 AM  
I am with the "Who fears Iran?" group.
 
2013-04-08 10:14:18 AM  
I don't fear being nuked by NK.  I mean shoot, if Kim nukes us, how is gonna suck Rodman's rod?
 
2013-04-08 08:39:50 PM  
I wonder if China will let us nuke NK if we're nuked first.
 
2013-04-08 09:48:12 PM  
I see "because Israel" has already been mentioned.
 
2013-04-11 12:06:43 PM  
I keep hoping the that the liars and the media will finally figure out that continually falsifying derp leads to undermining authority and trust.

Wasted hope.
 
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