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(CNN)   Ok, we cancelled this one, but how many ICBMs does the US launch off the coast of California anyway?   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-04-07 08:28:27 AM  
Almost all of the ICBMs we've ever launched have been from Vandenberg*. If one was to launch from, say, a field near Minot, that whole MAD thingy would kick in.

*We did a test launch with only a 7-second burn from an actual silo in SD in the 60's just to make sure a real one would work.
 
2013-04-07 08:32:32 AM  
Oh, and as to the accuracy of the re-entry vehicles:  Link
 
2013-04-07 09:38:17 AM  
I'm torn over how I feel about this.  On the one hand, our altering our behavior because of their tantrum just encourages them to do it more and hands them significant power.  On the other, it was obviously the prudent thing to do, considering how batshiat crazy NK is acting - better to avoid a war, even if a nuclear one is a remote possibility.  Really a catch-22 for me.

This is why I'm not the Secretary of State.
 
2013-04-07 10:25:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm torn over how I feel about this.  On the one hand, our altering our behavior because of their tantrum just encourages them to do it more and hands them significant power.  On the other, it was obviously the prudent thing to do, considering how batshiat crazy NK is acting - better to avoid a war, even if a nuclear one is a remote possibility.  Really a catch-22 for me.

This is why I'm not the Secretary of State.


Nah I think it was pretty simple. Delaying the test brings NK no benefit really. At most he gets to claim we backed down due to their clear military superiority. And hey, that's a win for us too since they already believe that and we don't have to worry as badly about another stupid war starting up.
 
2013-04-07 10:26:07 AM  
My friend saw one at night in the late 80s.  Saw it stage and everything.
 
2013-04-07 10:28:42 AM  
Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.
 
2013-04-07 10:29:27 AM  

Charlie Freak: Almost all of the ICBMs we've ever launched have been from Vandenberg*. If one was to launch from, say, a field near Minot, that whole MAD thingy would kick in.

*We did a test launch with only a 7-second burn from an actual silo in SD in the 60's just to make sure a real one would work.


A few years ago I was in ND. Went to Bottineau and Minot. Was surprised at how many silos were there. I think I took a pic of one that had a Dish Network dish set up on a tripod. Guess they were bored in there.
 
2013-04-07 10:34:21 AM  

rooftop235: Charlie Freak: Almost all of the ICBMs we've ever launched have been from Vandenberg*. If one was to launch from, say, a field near Minot, that whole MAD thingy would kick in.

*We did a test launch with only a 7-second burn from an actual silo in SD in the 60's just to make sure a real one would work.

A few years ago I was in ND. Went to Bottineau and Minot. Was surprised at how many silos were there. I think I took a pic of one that had a Dish Network dish set up on a tripod. Guess they were bored in there.


CSB: I have a close friend in the Air Force who, as he puts it, "babysits missiles" in Minot.  He gets at least one day off a week, but each shift is a loooong day spent underground.  I forget how many hours he spends down there on a single shift.
 
2013-04-07 10:34:25 AM  
Vandenburg is sort of the Air Force's private Cape Canaveral.  It's there main site for satellite launches and rocket tests, so they have the space and equipment to service and launch everything.  For a while they even had a full on Space Shuttle complex that was built until the USAF Shuttle program was cancelled after the Challenger oopsie.  For sub-orbital testing it's great since they can fling stuff out over the Pacific Ocean and from what I understand, it also has a much better location for launching satellites in a north-south orbit that they like for spying on people.

Cool place actually, the railroad goes right through it, so you can see some of the pads if you take the train between Santa Barbara and San Louis Obispo.
 
2013-04-07 10:35:23 AM  

rooftop235: Charlie Freak: Almost all of the ICBMs we've ever launched have been from Vandenberg*. If one was to launch from, say, a field near Minot, that whole MAD thingy would kick in.

*We did a test launch with only a 7-second burn from an actual silo in SD in the 60's just to make sure a real one would work.

A few years ago I was in ND. Went to Bottineau and Minot. Was surprised at how many silos were there. I think I took a pic of one that had a Dish Network dish set up on a tripod. Guess they were bored in there.


The missile crews do 24-hour shifts. They do get really bored. They also tend to have more degrees than others because they've got lots of study time.
 
2013-04-07 10:36:39 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.


I disagree-Obama isn't really on fire, that would have been reported in the news or something.
 
2013-04-07 10:37:38 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.


I hope you're trolling, and not really that stupid. I'm your classic Fark independent, and I think the right decision was made here. I also know that the president probably didn't make this decision, and probably didn't even know it was going on.

/yes I think both sides are bad
//and yes, I've never voted for a Democrat
///It doesn't help that the Democrats in my area are from the FAAAAAR left
 
2013-04-07 10:38:16 AM  

Tobin_Lam: rooftop235: Charlie Freak: Almost all of the ICBMs we've ever launched have been from Vandenberg*. If one was to launch from, say, a field near Minot, that whole MAD thingy would kick in.

*We did a test launch with only a 7-second burn from an actual silo in SD in the 60's just to make sure a real one would work.

A few years ago I was in ND. Went to Bottineau and Minot. Was surprised at how many silos were there. I think I took a pic of one that had a Dish Network dish set up on a tripod. Guess they were bored in there.

The missile crews do 24-hour shifts. They do get really bored. They also tend to have more degrees than others because they've got lots of study time.


Did you acquire any degrees?
 
2013-04-07 10:41:25 AM  
TURN YOUR KEY, SIR!
 
2013-04-07 10:41:54 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.


Google Image Search for "flaming pussy" doesn't yield nearly as interesting results as I thought it would.  There is a picture of Obama near the top of the list though.
 
2013-04-07 10:42:10 AM  

BigBooper: I hope you're trolling


Er, it was a pretty obvious one. Got a good chuckle out of me.
 
2013-04-07 10:45:15 AM  
And NK aren't shiatting their pants yet?

Also who would want to work on that big white dome thingie in the middle of the ocean...aren't you literally a sitting duck in there???
 
2013-04-07 10:46:08 AM  
I was stationed at Vandenberg for 7 years in the 80's. ICBM's were test launched every 1 to 2 months, year round, pretty much like clockwork. Unless things have changed there, that's probably still going on. And I'm sure NK knows this. We need to continue with the launches. I could see if there were no launches for about the last year or two, and suddenly we launched one, then yes, they could get the wrong idea. I think this move shows another sign of our weakness, and that the people up top in our military have become even more pussified. Kim Ill Whateverthefark is loving it right now.

"Twilight Effect" made by a Minuteman in the nighttime sky is awesome to see.
 
2013-04-07 10:47:18 AM  

BigBooper: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.

I hope you're trolling, and not really that stupid. I'm your classic Fark independent, and I think the right decision was made here. I also know that the president probably didn't make this decision, and probably didn't even know it was going on.

/yes I think both sides are bad
//and yes, I've never voted for a Democrat
///It doesn't help that the Democrats in my area are from the FAAAAAR left


::clicks profile::

Hmm...

Dude, if you think WI Dems are from the "FAAAAAR" left, I have some bad news for you.
 
2013-04-07 10:47:59 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm torn over how I feel about this.  On the one hand, our altering our behavior because of their tantrum just encourages them to do it more and hands them significant power.  On the other, it was obviously the prudent thing to do, considering how batshiat crazy NK is acting - better to avoid a war, even if a nuclear one is a remote possibility.  Really a catch-22 for me.

This is why I'm not the Secretary of State.


Canceling one test launch doesn't show weakness. It shows that we can be reasonable and don't always have to have the "oh yeah? you want some o' this? come at me bro!" attitude.
Our actual strength and capability has not been compromised in any way.
 
2013-04-07 10:49:19 AM  
oi48.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-07 10:50:45 AM  
picturescrazy:
Delaying the test brings NK no benefit really. At most he gets to claim we backed down due to their clear military superiority.

And nobody except North Koreans will believe it.  I'm not sure how deluded the senior military staff there are, but the peasants and grunt soldiers probably already believe America is simultaneously the world's greatest evil, and so impotent that the Amazing Leader regularly defeats and humiliates them singlehandedly.  So this really won't make that belief any worse.
 
2013-04-07 10:53:15 AM  
"Amanda Carr, who works for a British travel company, wrapped up a pleasure tour Saturday of North Korea..."

blog.lib.umn.edu
 
2013-04-07 10:56:32 AM  

No Such Agency: picturescrazy:
Delaying the test brings NK no benefit really. At most he gets to claim we backed down due to their clear military superiority.

And nobody except North Koreans will believe it.  I'm not sure how deluded the senior military staff there are, but the peasants and grunt soldiers probably already believe America is simultaneously the world's greatest evil, and so impotent that the Amazing Leader regularly defeats and humiliates them singlehandedly.  So this really won't make that belief any worse.


And it makes it that much clearer that the US is trying its best to not have a war and not be provocative.  China is already backing away from North Korea on this, and this action will make it that much clearer who started this shiat if a war does break out.

I think the Obama administration has been playing this whole thing very well so far.  They've removed any chance North Korea has to seriously argue there is American aggression going on, and made it impossible to take North Korea's side in this for anyone but the most batshiat crazy of nations and leaders.
 
2013-04-07 11:00:55 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.


Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than you are a flaming idiot.
 
2013-04-07 11:01:57 AM  

jake_lex: I think the Obama administration has been playing this whole thing very well so far.  They've removed any chance North Korea has to seriously argue there is American aggression going on, and made it impossible to take North Korea's side in this for anyone but the most batshiat crazy of nations and leaders.


I agree. I liked the "call your bluff" show of force earlier, and I like this as well. We let them know we're there, we're serious, but we're not going to be baited into making the first move. It also has the effect of convincing others that we're engaged in a spiraling game of countering each others aggression.... i.e. it reinforces that we're the good guys and they're the bad guys.
 
2013-04-07 11:02:37 AM  

dukeblue219: that we're NOT engaged


//FTFM
 
2013-04-07 11:03:04 AM  

3StratMan: I was stationed at Vandenberg for 7 years in the 80's. ICBM's were test launched every 1 to 2 months, year round, pretty much like clockwork.


They are typically launched towards Kwajalein Atoll, home of http://www.smdc.army.mil/rts.html
 
2013-04-07 11:03:53 AM  
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SurelyShirley: Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm torn over how I feel about this.  On the one hand, our altering our behavior because of their tantrum just encourages them to do it more and hands them significant power.  On the other, it was obviously the prudent thing to do, considering how batshiat crazy NK is acting - better to avoid a war, even if a nuclear one is a remote possibility.  Really a catch-22 for me.

This is why I'm not the Secretary of State.

Canceling one test launch doesn't show weakness. It shows that we can be reasonable and don't always have to have the "oh yeah? you want some o' this? come at me bro!" attitude.
Our actual strength and capability has not been compromised in any way.


Perhaps.  I just see it more as a "Okay, alright, honey, I won't make you sit still at the table and close your mouth when you chew, just please stop screaming and rolling on the floor for Mommy, please" kind of thing.
 
2013-04-07 11:07:46 AM  

davebarnes: 3StratMan: I was stationed at Vandenberg for 7 years in the 80's. ICBM's were test launched every 1 to 2 months, year round, pretty much like clockwork.

They are typically launched towards Kwajalein Atoll, home of http://www.smdc.army.mil/rts.html


So, are you just adding something that I omitted to my story, or is there a point I'm just missing?
 
2013-04-07 11:08:29 AM  
Bah... they sent the little general a couple cases of Cheetos, some boxes of Captain Crunch and some of the latest U.S. porn videos with autographed photos of the porn actors.  He'll be content for a while before they have to do it all over again.  Everything else is bullshiat.
 
2013-04-07 11:13:29 AM  

davebarnes: 3StratMan: I was stationed at Vandenberg for 7 years in the 80's. ICBM's were test launched every 1 to 2 months, year round, pretty much like clockwork.

They are typically launched towards Kwajalein Atoll, home of http://www.smdc.army.mil/rts.html


There are also a couple of SpaceX launches planned from there this year.
 
2013-04-07 11:15:55 AM  
Her North Korean partners -- from the state's travel agency -- continue to accept tourists hard currency, she said.

Fixed
 
2013-04-07 11:16:39 AM  

Iron Felix: And NK aren't shiatting their pants yet?

Also who would want to work on that big white dome thingie in the middle of the ocean...aren't you literally a sitting duck in there???


I'm sure something as expensive as a communications base the size of an oil rig has plenty of protection with it. You don't think it's floating out there by itself do you?
 
2013-04-07 11:21:19 AM  
I read Kim Sung Il had a book that Un has taken to heart that talks of this game to make us blink first. We did but its realy South Korea we would be putting at risk if we didn't.

Wish we could go back in time and reassess MacArthur's idea on the whole thing.
 
2013-04-07 11:21:50 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.


Because the alternative, starting a nuclear war on the Korean pennisula, is somehow preferable?

www.generatememes.com
 
2013-04-07 11:25:42 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.


+1.   Do you think Reagan would have backed down?
 
2013-04-07 11:30:46 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.

Because the alternative, starting a nuclear war on the Korean pennisula, is somehow preferable?


Under specific circumstances, yes.

i2.ytimg.com

/Is this not obscure enough?
 
2013-04-07 11:30:56 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Because the alternative, starting a nuclear war on the Korean pennisula, is somehow preferable?


The alternative to carrying on with a missile test that has been planned for months is nuclear war? Wait, you actually think that North Korea has nuclear missiles, don't you? Here's a hint, conducting a nuclear test and having a nuclear warhead aren't even close to being the same thing. One more thing, even if they had nuclear warheads that they picked up on eBay, they still don't have a delivery system.
 
2013-04-07 11:31:48 AM  
Just send one B-3 bomber.
 
2013-04-07 11:31:56 AM  
I recall a time somewhere around '69-'71 when we would have these beautiful streaky vibrant color displays high in the sky from the un-burned fuel or the exhaust two or three times a week due to the launches, you could see it real good anywhere around L.A. , I have no idea how often we launched back in those days but it's a vastly lower number in recent decades.
 
2013-04-07 11:34:43 AM  

born_yesterday: TURN YOUR KEY, SIR!


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-04-07 11:35:28 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-07 11:35:51 AM  
Not EVERY week during that period, just from time to time there would be a cluster of launches.
 
2013-04-07 11:40:10 AM  
We still make ICBM's or are they all from past decades sitting around rusting? Rust never sleeps.
 
2013-04-07 11:41:07 AM  
So, we delay this one, when we're not only not at a state of war with NK, but facing no real threat from them?

Yet, the US conducted live nuclear weapons tests DURING the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Makes sense.

/more than one, actually.
//chama, checkmate, bluegill
 
2013-04-07 11:41:31 AM  

eldritch2k4: indarwinsshadow: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, but there's no other way to interpret this than Obama is a flaming pussy. No other president would have done this.

Because the alternative, starting a nuclear war on the Korean pennisula, is somehow preferable?

Under specific circumstances, yes.

[i2.ytimg.com image 320x180]

/Is this not obscure enough?


Pretty sure we know what bars you hang out in.
 
2013-04-07 11:44:59 AM  

dv-ous: Hmm...

Dude, if you think WI Dems are from the "FAAAAAR" left, I have some bad news for you.


Dude, If you think Madison and Milwaukee Democrats are main stream, I have some bad news for you.
 
2013-04-07 11:51:46 AM  
For our next trick, the United States will intercept a North Korean ballistic missile while it's still over their own territory, raining failure down onto the already massive pile of fail that is North Korea.
 
2013-04-07 11:54:37 AM  
cdn.leasticoulddo.com
 
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