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2013-04-07 07:42:28 AM  
I'm not clicking through 10 pages of a text slideshow. Shame on you subby.
 
2013-04-07 07:56:04 AM  

quickdraw: I'm not clicking through 10 pages of a text slideshow. Shame on you subby.

 
2013-04-07 08:05:49 AM  
WTF is this slideshow shiat?

Okay, deslider didn't work for me, so I'll go out of my way and break it down for you - and add my comments along the way:

1. "The booze business may be recession-proof, but we're not."

No shiat - I've seen a lot of bars go out of business. Go cry some more.

2. "Our cocktails will knock you out (with their prices)."

No shiat. I can buy a fifth of whiskey for the same price as 2 drinks in your farking bar.

3. "Alcohol alone won't sanitize these premises."

A sanitized bar? Yeah, that's not why I am here.

4. "That pint may be a few ounces short."

Obvious - next?

5. "Want a true measure of quality? Peek inside our well."

What? Oh, you mean cheap drinks are made with cheap booze. Okay, tell me something I didn't know.

6. "Beware the 1996 merlot that's sat over our oven since 1999."

Wine drinkers problems. I appreciate wine, but only in restaurants along with a meal or at home. I don't visit bars to drink wine. Give me a beer or something with liquor.

7. "Serving food doesn't magically turn a pub into a gastropub."

What the fark is a gastropub? It's a plus if a bar serves food - if I'm hungry, but in a bar, I'm not expecting anything great. Serve me a crappy steak or some fish and chips or whatever - you have peanuts? Okay, I'll eat those too.

I didn't go to a bar expecting a gourmet meal.

8. "We might have a gambling problem."

That's not my problem. I've lost enough money in Vegas and Atlantic City. Gambling is usually a sucker's bet. You almost always lose.

9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

Heh - Now that's funny. I've seen bars cut people off. I've never seen a bar tell someone they shouldn't drive.

But who knows? Maybe that will change in the future. A local bar/concert venue just announced that they will start breathalyzing people under 21 and not allow them inside if they have any detectable alcohol in their system. I won't miss them. Their liquor license was suspended for a whole 5 days.

They'll still serve adults until they're too drunk to stand and you can't leave your car in their parking lot overnight because it will get towed. Yeah, that's not at all going to encourage people to drive home when they maybe shouldn't.

10. "We want to take over your neighborhood, if not your entire town."

I have no idea what they're talking about here.
 
2013-04-07 08:06:34 AM  
Is this ten things you should already know unless you're an idiot?
 
2013-04-07 08:36:30 AM  

EvilEgg: Is this ten things you should already know unless you're an idiot?


That was a painful and obvious slog, and I feel bad that I actually read the whole damn thing. Apparently bars are supposed to be Cheers and Ralph's from Happy Days FOREVER in this author's mind...
 
2013-04-07 09:14:59 AM  
So, based on this list, the bikini-clad Shot Girl selling me three cents of sugar water and Captain Sam Walton's Rum-Flavored Witch Hazel for $8 actually *does* think I'm the coolest guy here while I'm buying her entire tray and tipping 150%?
 
2013-04-07 09:15:38 AM  

Happy Hours: 4. "That pint may be a few ounces short."

Obvious - next?


Obvious? There's a line on the glass.
 
2013-04-07 09:23:05 AM  

doglover: Happy Hours: 4. "That pint may be a few ounces short."

Obvious - next?

Obvious? There's a line on the glass.


Standard practice here. I have a number of "pint" glasses I liberated from various bars and none of them are a true 16 ounces. Be lucky to pour a full 12oz into some of them.
 
2013-04-07 09:37:46 AM  
I can't remember when I last read such a pointless article.
 
2013-04-07 10:23:53 AM  
Yeah, that was a pretty horrible article, and I feel bad having spent 5 minutes browsing it.

The quote from Jon Taffer about an average bar washing their cutting boards once a year set off my BS detector though.  The cutting board would have about 1" of black mold in a months time if left unwashed.  After a year it would probably resemble Cousin It from the Addams Family.
 
2013-04-07 10:29:15 AM  
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2013-04-07 10:32:19 AM  
CSB, last night the bar only charged me for one of my two Fat Head's headhunter IPA. I told the bartender and he said no worries and didn't ring up the other. Woo free beer. And at only three bucks a pint I don't care if it was underpoured.
 
2013-04-07 10:38:22 AM  

Happy Hours: WTF is this slideshow shiat?


Thanks for saving us the trouble.
 
2013-04-07 10:59:40 AM  
I can't imagine paying the price of two pizzas for one drink of anything.
 
2013-04-07 10:59:52 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: doglover: Happy Hours: 4. "That pint may be a few ounces short."

Standard practice here. I have a number of "pint" glasses I liberated from various bars and none of them are a true 16 ounces. Be lucky to pour a full 12oz into some of them.


Which is why you don't always see "Watery American Beer - 16oz - $4" advertised on the wall. It's always "Watery American beer - $4". It's shady, so I'm happy to have marked glasses and clear pricing.

9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice.
 
2013-04-07 11:10:40 AM  

Cajnik: It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you.


Bars make money selling a product that lowers inhibitions and critical thinking, and they tend to be reliant on (and over-serve) the types of people that can't easily quit drinking once they've started.

You know, alcoholics.

I'd say that they are culpable when someone they gave too much alcohol too farks up.  The law seems to agree.
 
2013-04-07 11:14:32 AM  

Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice


I agree, but some places have laws that hold the bar liable if the customer drives home drunk and causes an accident.  It's varied up that they have to babysit the customers.
 
2013-04-07 11:36:51 AM  
With the bars I go to, and the beers I order, each beer has it's own glass and the recommended pour marked on the glass in centiliters.   There's no shorting of beer in that case.
 
2013-04-07 11:42:14 AM  

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2013-04-07 11:48:21 AM  
4... Drinking establishments employ all sorts of methods to short-change customers, say industry insiders. Among the examples they note: shaking a drink for a long time (the ice turns to water, adding volume)

Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.
 
2013-04-07 11:48:46 AM  

NeoCortex42: Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice

I agree, but some places have laws that hold the bar liable if the customer drives home drunk and causes an accident.  It's varied up that they have to babysit the customers.


It is good hospitality to keep an eye on folks. It is also now part of the law in a lot of states. Over serving patrons is not a good idea, plain and simple. Yes, bartenders and servers are supposed to watch out for the patrons. TIPS training is there for the protection of the establishment AND our patrons.

This is why bars get testy when they find you with that flask. Not because you're cutting them out of the profit loop, but because your server knows how many drinks they've gotten your table, and sneaking drinks in can throw their calculations off.

I've driven folks home. Called plenty of cabs, and kept keys behind the bar and come in early so that folks could pick them up. Getting more drunk than you thought can happen. One round leads to another, someone else hands you a beer or a shot or three, it happens. But when your server shuts you off, or suggests you get a cab, it's not because we hate you, it's because we want you to get home in one piece. Maybe even come back--unless you painted the bathroom or bar or dance floor with a technicolor yawn.

You stumbling out of the joint is not our purpose. We want folks to have a good time, and wrapping your car around a tree isn't that. You pasting a pedestrian isn't that. Oddly enough, it's not just about profits or liabilities, in the business, we want folks to have a great time. With friends. Family. With new friends. You getting sloppy drunk and stumbling around is not conducive to that purpose.
 
2013-04-07 11:56:16 AM  
Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?
 
2013-04-07 11:57:35 AM  

Arkanaut: 4... Drinking establishments employ all sorts of methods to short-change customers, say industry insiders. Among the examples they note: shaking a drink for a long time (the ice turns to water, adding volume)

Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.


Or at least basic science...

That's what struck me about this article is that it is not just rehashing old tropes, but is so damn whiny about it, and it's not surprising given where it was published. It's a take on an industry from someone who is enamored by numbers, and not from within the industry itself.

Oh noes! Prices may vary to what the market will bear? Whyddathunkit? Well drinks are made with cheaper booze? Wow, there's a startling revelation. Not all bars serve great food? Stunning that folks have figured this out.

This just screams broker problems...
 
2013-04-07 11:58:34 AM  
top notch food at a bar??   a waste since 25% of it or so will the puked back up by the next morning.  don't waste good food that could end up in someone's back seat or the road.
 
2013-04-07 12:01:58 PM  

MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?


If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.
 
2013-04-07 12:04:41 PM  

Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.


It is a popular myth though. Like tipping extravagantly will cause bartenders and waitresses to sleep with you...
 
2013-04-07 12:19:32 PM  

Arkanaut: Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.


Yes, you. When they shake the drink, the ice melts, meaning that there is more liquid poured into the glass than was originally put into the shaker.
 
2013-04-07 12:25:38 PM  

Arkanaut: 4... Drinking establishments employ all sorts of methods to short-change customers, say industry insiders. Among the examples they note: shaking a drink for a long time (the ice turns to water, adding volume)

Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.


Sounds like somebody has never seen a cocktail get poured from a shaker.  The ice stays in the shaker, only the liquid goes in to the glass. So ice turned to water goes in the glass, adding volume to the drink.

My favorite bartender trick is if you have someone who is too drunk to serve, but they're with a group (so it's difficult to cut them off).  You make a drink with no alcohol, take the straw, put it in the bottle.  Finger over the tip, pull the straw out, pop it in the "cocktail".  Tell the patron that one's on the house, but it's their last one, k?

They take that first sip and think, wow, strong drink, good for the last one of the night.  They're too drunk to notice the rest of it is just soda/juice.
 
2013-04-07 12:35:34 PM  

MisterRonbo: Sounds like somebody has never seen a cocktail get poured from a shaker.  The ice stays in the shaker, only the liquid goes in to the glass. So ice turned to water goes in the glass, adding volume to the drink.


Well then.  I guess that explains that.
 
2013-04-07 01:06:24 PM  

doglover: Happy Hours: 4. "That pint may be a few ounces short."

Obvious - next?

Obvious? There's a line on the glass.


caskstrength.files.wordpress.com
Not so obvious.
 
2013-04-07 01:08:05 PM  

Kanemano: Not so obvious.


That's not obvious to you?
 
2013-04-07 01:19:33 PM  
www.thebeergauge.com
 
2013-04-07 01:21:09 PM  

Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.


Dunno how other states do it, but my sister used to tend bar at a Chinese restaurant in California, and one day had a guy come in with a briefcase, sat down and ordered a drink. She mixed it, set it down in front of him, and he immediately flashed his ABC credentials, opened his briefcase, poured the drink into a container, sealed it, and walked out the door to a van parked in the lot. Ten minutes later, he came back, told her that her pour was right on the money, and she had passed their audit. The restaurant was lucky that the other bartender wasn't there; she was a notorious overpourer, and they'd have fined her and the restaurant on the spot.

Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice.


I've lost two good friends that left bars ridiculously drunk and died; one on a motorcycle that hit a dumpster at 130 mph. My sister, when she's tending bar keeps a clinical eye on all her customers, and also keeps a running tally of how much she's served each customer. She's also very smooth about how she '86es customers- she'll sweet-talk you right onto the sidewalk so suavely, that you'll think you put yourself there on purpose. That's because she wants you back as a customer.
 
2013-04-07 01:31:14 PM  

Kanemano: doglover: Happy Hours: 4. "That pint may be a few ounces short."

Obvious - next?

Obvious? There's a line on the glass.

[caskstrength.files.wordpress.com image 300x431]
Not so obvious.


Also, those tapered glasses make you drink your drink faster than if the sides were straight.  Likely because when you think you've had half, you've already had closer to 60% of it.
 
2013-04-07 02:16:06 PM  

Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.


But how would they ever get caught?

The real reason they don't bother to do this: the markup on everything they sell is so high, it's not worth the extra work involved. That $5 shot cost them less than $1.
 
2013-04-07 02:16:55 PM  
To cut down on drunk driving, how about change some zoning laws to allow neighborhood bars again? So people can walk home. Oh, but then they'd be arrested for public intoxication. At least we're protected from people walking while intoxicated.
 
2013-04-07 02:52:00 PM  

Girion47: With the bars I go to, and the beers I order, each beer has it's own glass and the recommended pour marked on the glass in centiliters.   There's no shorting of beer in that case.


How many centiliters in a pint?
 
2013-04-07 03:07:33 PM  

HempHead: Girion47: With the bars I go to, and the beers I order, each beer has it's own glass and the recommended pour marked on the glass in centiliters.   There's no shorting of beer in that case.

How many centiliters in a pint?


1 centiliters = 0.0211337642 US pints
 
2013-04-07 03:13:13 PM  
Ahem... The print button will put everything on one page.

And I'm sure this is one of those common re-writing assignment things. It's all been outlined and sourced, then you just write it again. Basic nature of the common articles.

/My mind is going meta here
//Might make some outlines and outsource the writing
///Cha ching!
 
2013-04-07 03:18:18 PM  

bingethinker: Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.

But how would they ever get caught?

The real reason they don't bother to do this: the markup on everything they sell is so high, it's not worth the extra work involved. That $5 shot cost them less than $1.


You don't think any bar would want to improve their margins? A 250% margin in always better than a 200% margin. Whether they do it will generally come down to whether or not they think it is worth it, which considers costs if caught in terms of reputation and lost customers as well as fines.
 
2013-04-07 03:29:39 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Kanemano: Not so obvious.

That's not obvious to you?


Obvious when making a side-by-side comparison; not so obvious when it's alone.  Unless you're the beer-whisperer or something and can tell at a glance when a glass has only 14.2 oz in it.
 
2013-04-07 03:46:29 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.

Dunno how other states do it, but my sister used to tend bar at a Chinese restaurant in California, and one day had a guy come in with a briefcase, sat down and ordered a drink. She mixed it, set it down in front of him, and he immediately flashed his ABC credentials, opened his briefcase, poured the drink into a container, sealed it, and walked out the door to a van parked in the lot. Ten minutes later, he came back, told her that her pour was right on the money, and she had passed their audit. The restaurant was lucky that the other bartender wasn't there; she was a notorious overpourer, and they'd have fined her and the restaurant on the spot.

Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice.

I've lost two good friends that left bars ridiculously drunk and died; one on a motorcycle that hit a dumpster at 130 mph. My sister, when she's tending bar keeps a clinical eye on all her customers, and also keeps a running tally of how much she's served each customer. She's also very smooth about how she '86es customers- she'll sweet-talk you right onto the sidewalk so suavely, that you'll think you put yourself there on purpose. That's because she wants you back as a customer.


You have poor taste in friends, the motorcycle douche was begging to die. I'm pleased he got his wish.
 
2013-04-07 03:56:28 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Standard practice here. I have a number of "pint" glasses I liberated from various bars and none of them are a true 16 ounces. Be lucky to pour a full 12oz into some of them.


i had to special order some "imperial" pint glasses that get the full 16 oz. most of the ones i steal from bars are slightly over 12
 
2013-04-07 04:10:38 PM  

MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?


Most won't risk the tax code violation (ever seen a bartender scraping a tax stamp off before throwing a bottle away?)
 
2013-04-07 04:13:01 PM  
$4 for a  bottle of Heineken?

$8 for a margarita made with 1 oz. of well tequila?

Fark that noise and get off my lawn.
 
2013-04-07 04:23:00 PM  

hubiestubert: NeoCortex42: Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice

I agree, but some places have laws that hold the bar liable if the customer drives home drunk and causes an accident.  It's varied up that they have to babysit the customers.

It is good hospitality to keep an eye on folks. It is also now part of the law in a lot of states. Over serving patrons is not a good idea, plain and simple. Yes, bartenders and servers are supposed to watch out for the patrons. TIPS training is there for the protection of the establishment AND our patrons.

This is why bars get testy when they find you with that flask. Not because you're cutting them out of the profit loop, but because your server knows how many drinks they've gotten your table, and sneaking drinks in can throw their calculations off.


IIRC, in California, licensees can catch hell if ABC finds patrons with booze that didn't come from the bar. I don't think it's as serious as serving a minor, but it's something that an inspector will flag with no explanations listened to.
 
2013-04-07 04:26:05 PM  
This seems like as good a place as any to point out that we're starting to get screwed at home now too.

Most beers sold in the short squat bottles like Red Stripe or Session actually only have 11.2 ounces now instead of 12. What kind of BS is that?
 
2013-04-07 05:03:50 PM  

LibertyHiller: IIRC, in California, licensees can catch hell if ABC finds patrons with booze that didn't come from the bar. I don't think it's as serious as serving a minor, but it's something that an inspector will flag with no explanations listened to.


Yep. We went to a bar, had a few then went to a restaurant to eat. Somehow I managed to go back in the bar with a bottle of beer. The bartender went ballistic. It was embarrassing.

The hell they can catch is a lost license. They take it very seriously here.
 
2013-04-07 05:31:45 PM  

Avonmore: This seems like as good a place as any to point out that we're starting to get screwed at home now too.

Most beers sold in the short squat bottles like Red Stripe or Session actually only have 11.2 ounces now instead of 12. What kind of BS is that?


The Wikipedia article says Red Stripe changed it in 2010, and I've read elsewhere that this was so they didn't have to bottle different sizes for the US. Everywhere else they sell 330ml bottles, and the equivalent imperial measurement is about 11.2oz.

Why we still haven't switched to metric here in the US, I don't understand, but maybe food and beverage vendors are trying to help by being sneaky like this. I figure this might explain why coffee vendors have switched to 12oz instead of a pound - they probably sell the 340g bags internationally, and 1/3kg seems to be an acceptable amount.
 
2013-04-07 05:50:43 PM  

cyberspacedout: Avonmore: This seems like as good a place as any to point out that we're starting to get screwed at home now too.

Most beers sold in the short squat bottles like Red Stripe or Session actually only have 11.2 ounces now instead of 12. What kind of BS is that?

The Wikipedia article says Red Stripe changed it in 2010, and I've read elsewhere that this was so they didn't have to bottle different sizes for the US. Everywhere else they sell 330ml bottles, and the equivalent imperial measurement is about 11.2oz.

Why we still haven't switched to metric here in the US, I don't understand, but maybe food and beverage vendors are trying to help by being sneaky like this. I figure this might explain why coffee vendors have switched to 12oz instead of a pound - they probably sell the 340g bags internationally, and 1/3kg seems to be an acceptable amount.




What ever their excuse, the vendors kept the prices the same.
 
2013-04-07 06:10:44 PM  

Avonmore: This seems like as good a place as any to point out that we're starting to get screwed at home now too.

Most beers sold in the short squat bottles like Red Stripe or Session actually only have 11.2 ounces now instead of 12. What kind of BS is that?


Alcoholic people problems?
 
2013-04-07 06:11:05 PM  

Avonmore: This seems like as good a place as any to point out that we're starting to get screwed at home now too.

Most beers sold in the short squat bottles like Red Stripe or Session actually only have 11.2 ounces now instead of 12. What kind of BS is that?


The metric system.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:35 PM  

RickN99: Popcorn Johnny: Kanemano: Not so obvious.

That's not obvious to you?

Obvious when making a side-by-side comparison; not so obvious when it's alone.  Unless you're the beer-whisperer or something and can tell at a glance when a glass has only 14.2 oz in it.


It doesn't take a drink whisperer to notice when the bottom of the glass is twice as large as a normal one.
 
2013-04-07 06:16:38 PM  

dywed88: bingethinker: Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.

But how would they ever get caught?

The real reason they don't bother to do this: the markup on everything they sell is so high, it's not worth the extra work involved. That $5 shot cost them less than $1.

You don't think any bar would want to improve their margins? A 250% margin in always better than a 200% margin. Whether they do it will generally come down to whether or not they think it is worth it, which considers costs if caught in terms of reputation and lost customers as well as fines.


And having your bartender work on pouring rotgut into empty top shelf bottles along with taking up your inventory space with empty bottles, along with having screwy inventory counts is not going to increase your margin.

That doesn't even take into consideration the fact that unless you're in some weird guido place, most people drinking too shelf liquor aren't drinking it in things that dilute the taste. Nobody buys 18 year old scotch and coke.

Any bar that is actually doing this is about to go out of business anyway.
 
2013-04-07 06:51:27 PM  

Happy Hours: WTF is this slideshow shiat?
...

7. "Serving food doesn't magically turn a pub into a gastropub."

What the fark is a gastropub? It's a plus if a bar serves food - if I'm hungry, but in a bar, I'm not expecting anything great. Serve me a crappy steak or some fish and chips or whatever - you have peanuts? Okay, I'll eat those too.

I didn't go to a bar expecting a gourmet meal.


Gastropub: Bar that serves the same old bar food on fancy white square plates.
 
2013-04-07 06:57:21 PM  
5. "Want a true measure of quality? Peek inside our well."

According to the State Liquor Control board, Kamchatka Vodka is the top selling liquor here in Ohio, and I see it in most places where I drink. (No, I do not partake of it.) Places which have only top-shelf stuff tend to charge top-shelf prices, so there goes the idea of what 'well' drinks are for in the first place.
 
2013-04-07 07:13:56 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Captain Sam Walton's Rum-Flavored Witch Hazel for $8


I really laughed my ass off to this. But then I have been doing yard work for the last 3 hours drinking Genny Cream Ale the whole time.
/finished them all
//Time for the good stuff
///Tullymore Dew
/slashies!
 
2013-04-07 07:40:30 PM  

Mister Buttons: Yeah, that was a pretty horrible article, and I feel bad having spent 5 minutes browsing it.

The quote from Jon Taffer about an average bar washing their cutting boards once a year set off my BS detector though.  The cutting board would have about 1" of black mold in a months time if left unwashed.  After a year it would probably resemble Cousin It from the Addams Family.


As a former bartender I had to chuckle at that as well. When you're talking limes and oranges, merely leaving it overnight will result in a sticky, fly-infested mess. Even the worst dive bars wash their cutting board every time, or at the bare minimum rinse the juice off.

Glasses, on the other hand, can be iffy. Every bar should have a triple sink (soap/rinse/sanitize). But not all do. That's why I'm thankful that my local dive uses plastic cups.
 
2013-04-07 08:03:20 PM  

jigger: To cut down on drunk driving, how about change some zoning laws to allow neighborhood bars again? So people can walk home. Oh, but then they'd be arrested for public intoxication. At least we're protected from people walking while intoxicated.


Most neighborhoods in New Orleans still have actual neighborhood bars due to flexible zoning. By "neighborhood" I mean literally around the corner from your house. On one block you have a family playing touch football in the yard, and then some guy mowing his lawn and BOOM, you're at a bar. Sure, you occasionally see people stumbling home while singing "Come On Eileen" at the top of their lungs, but it sure as hell beats having these people driving next to a minivan full of children. It also helps the neighborhood socially, as we all gather 'round and get to know each other outside of a half-assed conversation about the weather while checking the mailbox.

Once you get out to the suburbs, however, it resembles the rest of America. The bars are all way beyond walking distance. It's no accident that the majority of DWIs in the metro area occur in those locales. The city itself might be notorious for alcohol consumption, but walking, public transit, or cheap and plentiful cab rides are all viable options.

/btw, if anyone is familiar with the city, Parasol's and Tracey's are my Irish Channel neighborhood spots
 
2013-04-07 08:06:51 PM  
MN boy. Was in Phoenix this week and paid $16 for a V&T. Miss my small MN college town drink specials.

Monday: 25¢ Taps
Tuesday: All you can consume pizza and beer $8
Wednesday: $1.50 pitchers
Thirsty Thursday: All U Can Drink $7, 7-11
Friday: Ladies drink free
Saturday: Any coin, any drink, 8-10
Sunday: We rest.
Friday: Ladies drink free.
 
2013-04-07 08:19:25 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: MN boy. Was in Phoenix this week and paid $16 for a V&T. Miss my small MN college town drink specials.

Monday: 25¢ Taps
Tuesday: All you can consume pizza and beer $8
Wednesday: $1.50 pitchers
Thirsty Thursday: All U Can Drink $7, 7-11
Friday: Ladies drink free
Saturday: Any coin, any drink, 8-10
Sunday: We rest.
Friday: Ladies drink free.


lemme guess, 1980's?

/once paid 10c a cup for beer at a bar-laundromat. those were the days
 
2013-04-07 08:44:56 PM  

CognaciousThunk: The Pope of Manwich Village: MN boy. Was in Phoenix this week and paid $16 for a V&T. Miss my small MN college town drink specials.

Monday: 25¢ Taps
Tuesday: All you can consume pizza and beer $8
Wednesday: $1.50 pitchers
Thirsty Thursday: All U Can Drink $7, 7-11
Friday: Ladies drink free
Saturday: Any coin, any drink, 8-10
Sunday: We rest.
Friday: Ladies drink free.

lemme guess, 1980's?

/once paid 10c a cup for beer at a bar-laundromat. those were the days



That is Winona, present day.  I went down with an alumnae one Friday night and within 20 minutes had a new definition of what alcohol abuse looks like. My college drinking elsewhere was little league compared to that place.
 
2013-04-07 09:06:24 PM  

margarito bandito: CognaciousThunk: The Pope of Manwich Village: MN boy. Was in Phoenix this week and paid $16 for a V&T. Miss my small MN college town drink specials.

Monday: 25¢ Taps
Tuesday: All you can consume pizza and beer $8
Wednesday: $1.50 pitchers
Thirsty Thursday: All U Can Drink $7, 7-11
Friday: Ladies drink free
Saturday: Any coin, any drink, 8-10
Sunday: We rest.
Friday: Ladies drink free.

lemme guess, 1980's?

/once paid 10c a cup for beer at a bar-laundromat. those were the days


That is Winona, present day.  I went down with an alumnae one Friday night and within 20 minutes had a new definition of what alcohol abuse looks like. My college drinking elsewhere was little league compared to that place.


Damn. I'd swear the 'all you can drink' offers had been outlawed in most states, but guess that's not true in Minnesota. The entire town must smell like dried beer by Sunday AM.
 
2013-04-07 09:07:44 PM  
"Gastropub" is a really unfortunate word. The first thing I think about is a snail leaving a trail of slime across my walk in the morning.
 
2013-04-07 09:20:48 PM  

CognaciousThunk: The Pope of Manwich Village: MN boy. Was in Phoenix this week and paid $16 for a V&T. Miss my small MN college town drink specials.

Monday: 25¢ Taps
Tuesday: All you can consume pizza and beer $8
Wednesday: $1.50 pitchers
Thirsty Thursday: All U Can Drink $7, 7-11
Friday: Ladies drink free
Saturday: Any coin, any drink, 8-10
Sunday: We rest.
Friday: Ladies drink free.

lemme guess, 1980's?

/once paid 10c a cup for beer at a bar-laundromat. those were the days


Went to UW-Oshkosh - longer ago than I care to think about - and one of the downtown bars had a special that when like this:
7 oz tappers   7-7:30  $.10   7:30-8:00 $.15   8:00-8:30 $.25  8:30-9:00 $.35 than up to the regular price of $.50 after 9:00 p.m.

At times we were such broke college students we would go at 7 with $2 each and completely fill the table.
Yeah it was warm beer after awhile but it was  cheap warm beer.
 
2013-04-07 09:35:57 PM  

CognaciousThunk: Happy Hours: WTF is this slideshow shiat?
...

7. "Serving food doesn't magically turn a pub into a gastropub."

What the fark is a gastropub? It's a plus if a bar serves food - if I'm hungry, but in a bar, I'm not expecting anything great. Serve me a crappy steak or some fish and chips or whatever - you have peanuts? Okay, I'll eat those too.

I didn't go to a bar expecting a gourmet meal.

Gastropub: Bar that serves the same old bar food on fancy white square plates.


For $5 more.

(actually, it's a pub that has decent food and a real chef)
 
2013-04-07 09:40:08 PM  

quickdraw: I'm not clicking through 10 pages of a text slideshow. Shame on you subby.


Website's 'print' button for the win.
 
2013-04-07 09:51:14 PM  
That was...retarded.
 
2013-04-07 10:15:07 PM  

CognaciousThunk: Kamchatka Vodka


Cheap. Warm. Vodak.
 
2013-04-07 10:26:45 PM  
I mostly drink at home because when I'm at the bar it's to go dancing.  You can't pull off any of the country swing moves if you're even a little bit tipsy.
 
2013-04-07 10:32:28 PM  

Arkanaut: 4... Drinking establishments employ all sorts of methods to short-change customers, say industry insiders. Among the examples they note: shaking a drink for a long time (the ice turns to water, adding volume)

Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.


The ice in the shaker doesn't get poured into the glass, so yes, anything that melts does add volume.
 
2013-04-07 10:53:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: "Gastropub" is a really unfortunate word. The first thing I think about is a snail leaving a trail of slime across my walk in the morning.


Irish Weekend in Wildwood, NJ.
 
2013-04-07 10:54:37 PM  

Happy Hours: What the fark is a gastropub?


That's Homer Simpson, sir, one of your fork and spoon operators from sector 7-G.

deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-07 11:02:41 PM  
A big reason bars like the 14 oz "pint" glasses is that they last ALOT longer than the 16's (bar backs break shiat at a rate that would get a dishwasher fired pretty much anywhere that's not a bar). Plus, Sysco (the devil,seriously) usually charges quite a bit less per case . The smaller pour is just a side benefit. And pitchers are 60 oz's anyway, so you're only really losing out if you buy by the glass. Every place I've ever worked switched to the 14's and quit calling the pours "pints", but might not go out of their way to correct a customer if it's busy (think "we don't have Coke, is Pepsi ok?).
 
2013-04-07 11:40:06 PM  

drewogatory: Plus, Sysco (the devil,seriously) usually charges quite a bit less per case .


Heh, years ago I worked at a cafe that used Sysco as a vendor. The manager was always hesitant to buy new glass mugs, even when we needed them. My guess now is that Sysco knows a lot of restaurants break glasses, and takes advantage with its prices.
 
2013-04-08 01:02:14 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.

Dunno how other states do it, but my sister used to tend bar at a Chinese restaurant in California, and one day had a guy come in with a briefcase, sat down and ordered a drink. She mixed it, set it down in front of him, and he immediately flashed his ABC credentials, opened his briefcase, poured the drink into a container, sealed it, and walked out the door to a van parked in the lot. Ten minutes later, he came back, told her that her pour was right on the money, and she had passed their audit. The restaurant was lucky that the other bartender wasn't there; she was a notorious overpourer, and they'd have fined her and the restaurant on the spot.

Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice.

I've lost two good friends that left bars ridiculously drunk and died; one on a motorcycle that hit a dumpster at 130 mph. My sister, when she's tending bar keeps a clinical eye on all her customers, and also keeps a running tally of how much she's served each customer. She's also very smooth about how she '86es customers- she'll sweet-talk you right onto the sidewalk so suavely, that you'll think you put yourself there on purpose. That's because she wants you back as a customer.


Bullshiat.
 
2013-04-08 01:04:08 AM  

YouSirAreAMaroon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.

Dunno how other states do it, but my sister used to tend bar at a Chinese restaurant in California, and one day had a guy come in with a briefcase, sat down and ordered a drink. She mixed it, set it down in front of him, and he immediately flashed his ABC credentials, opened his briefcase, poured the drink into a container, sealed it, and walked out the door to a van parked in the lot. Ten minutes later, he came back, told her that her pour was right on the money, and she had passed their audit. The restaurant was lucky that the other bartender wasn't there; she was a notorious overpourer, and they'd have fined her and the restaurant on the spot.

Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice.

I've lost two good friends that left bars ridiculously drunk and died; one on a motorcycle that hit a dumpster at 130 mph. My sister, when she's tending bar keeps a clinical eye on all her customers, and also keeps a running tally of how much she's served each customer. She's also very smooth about how she '86es customers- she'll sweet-talk you right onto the sidewalk so suavely, that you'll think you put yourself there on purpose. That's because she wants you back as a customer.

You have poor taste in friends, the motorcycle douche was begging to die. I'm pleased he got his wish.




Wow, you lonely, brah? And the fark douche of the year goes to.......
 
2013-04-08 01:41:41 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: MN boy. Was in Phoenix this week and paid $16 for a V&T. Miss my small MN college town drink specials.


Dear god, were you at the Biltmore?  I could get three to four V&Ts in the bars near my house in Scottsdale.
 
2013-04-08 02:17:08 AM  
I am TiPS and serve safe certified. I have been fired from bars (ok, just one bar) for following the .law. I don't know how she stayed in business As long as she did....
 
2013-04-08 04:22:16 AM  

Happy Hours: 3. "Alcohol alone won't sanitize these premises."

A sanitized bar? Yeah, that's not why I am here.


I take it you go to a bar that doesn't use glass mugs/cups?

I have and right after I sat down at the bar I knew I wanted a plastic cup for my drink. A quick dunk into water, a quick duck into soapy water, and then a quick dunk into a rinse wash, followed by wiping it off with a towel that had been used on who knows how many other glasses.

I've also worked as a bar back at a different bar. I started washing the glasses and and the bartender shouts out, "this isn't yo momma's kitchen. Rinse em and dry em off." I walked out because there is no way in hell I'm going to let a customer use dishes that haven't been cleaned properly.
 
2013-04-08 04:28:02 AM  
and and

Apparently I have a typing-stutter problem.
 
2013-04-08 04:29:16 AM  
11. Bars are bullshiat, and you'd have a much better (and cheaper) time splitting a case or two of beer with your friends.
 
2013-04-08 04:57:22 AM  

Tenatra: Happy Hours: 3. "Alcohol alone won't sanitize these premises."

A sanitized bar? Yeah, that's not why I am here.

I take it you go to a bar that doesn't use glass mugs/cups?

I have and right after I sat down at the bar I knew I wanted a plastic cup for my drink. A quick dunk into water, a quick duck into soapy water, and then a quick dunk into a rinse wash, followed by wiping it off with a towel that had been used on who knows how many other glasses.

I've also worked as a bar back at a different bar. I started washing the glasses and and the bartender shouts out, "this isn't yo momma's kitchen. Rinse em and dry em off." I walked out because there is no way in hell I'm going to let a customer use dishes that haven't been cleaned properly.


Wow - you take things too literally. Sanitized the way I meant it - and the way the article meant it - doesn't mean free from germs, dumbass.

If I'm drinking at a dirty stinky smoke-filled bar I'm probably drinking beer out of a bottle and not a glass anyway.

You're damn right it's not my momma's kitchen. If I wanted to drink in my momma's kitchen I would have come upstairs from the basement. (that's a joke - perhaps, unfunny, but don't take it too literally either).
 
2013-04-08 05:07:33 AM  

Happy Hours: Sanitized the way I meant it - and the way the article meant it


Nah, #3 made a talking point about the glasses but didn't really go into it.

/eat your words
//dumbass
 
2013-04-08 05:21:47 AM  

Tenatra: Happy Hours: Sanitized the way I meant it - and the way the article meant it

Nah, #3 made a talking point about the glasses but didn't really go into it.

/eat your words
//dumbass


Only dumbasses read articles
 
2013-04-08 05:26:30 AM  

Mad_Radhu: "Gastropub" is a really unfortunate word. The first thing I think about is a snail leaving a trail of slime across my walk in the morning.


Beats gatropube, which is the one you accidently swallow after going down on a girl with a full bush
 
2013-04-08 05:49:42 AM  

fustanella: quickdraw: I'm not clicking through 10 pages of a text slideshow. Shame on you subby.

Website's 'print' button for the win.


I used to use that trick but then more and more websites would only print the current page, so I gave up on it.
 
2013-04-08 07:20:20 AM  
All those seemed pretty obvious to me. Are they supposed to be secrets?
 
2013-04-08 08:01:09 AM  
#7
One that isn't sub-par is the Smoky Mountain Brewery in Pigeon Forge Tennessee.  The food is really good, the beer brewed there in the building is great and on Friday & Saturday nights, they often have a live band playing happy music.
 
2013-04-08 09:27:48 AM  

hubiestubert: Arkanaut: 4... Drinking establishments employ all sorts of methods to short-change customers, say industry insiders. Among the examples they note: shaking a drink for a long time (the ice turns to water, adding volume)

Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.

Or at least basic science...


They're referring to using a shaker to chill whatever alcohol you're drinking before pouring it into a glass.  The purpose of a shaker is to chill the drink without needing to put ice in the glass.  If you shake it for too long, the ice starts to melt and gets poured out with your drink into your glass...giving you less actual cocktail.
 
2013-04-08 09:29:04 AM  
I guess #4 is close enough to "we watered down our drinks".

/too poor and don't feel like getting ripped off so I don't drink at a bar
 
2013-04-08 10:19:40 AM  

Happy Hours: 5. "Want a true measure of quality? Peek inside our well."

What? Oh, you mean cheap drinks are made with cheap booze. Okay, tell me something I didn't know.


Their point was that some bars stock better quality well drinks, which they say is indicative of the quality of the bar.
 
2013-04-08 10:25:09 AM  

StrangeQ: hubiestubert: Arkanaut: 4... Drinking establishments employ all sorts of methods to short-change customers, say industry insiders. Among the examples they note: shaking a drink for a long time (the ice turns to water, adding volume)

Sounds like somebody needs to retake high school physics.

Or at least basic science...

They're referring to using a shaker to chill whatever alcohol you're drinking before pouring it into a glass.  The purpose of a shaker is to chill the drink without needing to put ice in the glass.  If you shake it for too long, the ice starts to melt and gets poured out with your drink into your glass...giving you less actual cocktail.


The ice starts to melt immeditaly, some is going to end up in your drink regardless, Plus there is loss from the resedue left in the shaker after it is poured.
What matters is are they pouring everything out into the glass or not.
 
2013-04-08 11:20:15 AM  
For anyone that TLDR, most bars are some combination of dirty, thieves, wripoffs, lazy, serve shiat food/booze.

Best thing about being out of my 20s is that I don't have to go to those places anymore.  Now I drink at either a nice low volume place that offers high quality without being all trendy and shiat, or a simple place with good beer and clean taps.

Good poin on that gastropub thing.  Food does not a gastropub make, it has to be good food.  If you are serving chicken wings and tater skins you are just a bar.
 
2013-04-08 11:22:36 AM  

Precision Boobery: Happy Hours: What the fark is a gastropub?

That's Homer Simpson, sir, one of your fork and spoon operators from sector 7-G.

[deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com image 512x384]


Ha, nice.
 
2013-04-08 12:39:38 PM  

sendtodave: Cajnik: It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you.

Bars make money selling a product that lowers inhibitions and critical thinking, and they tend to be reliant on (and over-serve) the types of people that can't easily quit drinking once they've started.

You know, alcoholics.

I'd say that they are culpable when someone they gave too much alcohol too farks up.  The law seems to agree.


it depends on where you are.  where I live, the law most certainly does not agree.  it states explicitly that the cause for someone's drunkenness is the fact that they drank too much... not the fact that someone served them too much.

further, i most certainly do not agree.  liability can't go on forever.  blame the person who is to blame and let it rest.
 
2013-04-08 12:59:44 PM  

dickfreckle: jigger: To cut down on drunk driving, how about change some zoning laws to allow neighborhood bars again? So people can walk home. Oh, but then they'd be arrested for public intoxication. At least we're protected from people walking while intoxicated.

Most neighborhoods in New Orleans still have actual neighborhood bars due to flexible zoning. By "neighborhood" I mean literally around the corner from your house. On one block you have a family playing touch football in the yard, and then some guy mowing his lawn and BOOM, you're at a bar. Sure, you occasionally see people stumbling home while singing "Come On Eileen" at the top of their lungs, but it sure as hell beats having these people driving next to a minivan full of children. It also helps the neighborhood socially, as we all gather 'round and get to know each other outside of a half-assed conversation about the weather while checking the mailbox.

Once you get out to the suburbs, however, it resembles the rest of America. The bars are all way beyond walking distance. It's no accident that the majority of DWIs in the metro area occur in those locales. The city itself might be notorious for alcohol consumption, but walking, public transit, or cheap and plentiful cab rides are all viable options.

/btw, if anyone is familiar with the city, Parasol's and Tracey's are my Irish Channel neighborhood spots


yeah... as someone smarter than me once said, the longer i live in new orleans, the more i realize i can't live any where else.

tracy's is a good bar...  i still haven't been to parasol's... someday though, since it is about a 2 minute bike ride from my house...  i think this summer i'm going on an adventure for the best roast beef poor boy in the world.  so, then i'll hit parasol's.

and, this list was nonsense.  whoever submitted this should feel bad about their behavior.
 
2013-04-08 01:08:08 PM  

pute kisses like a man: liability can't go on forever.  blame the person who is to blame and let it rest.


Blame the alcoholic?

Huh.

Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having...

"Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic!" "Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupis!"

One of those two doesn't sound right. -- St. Mitch
 
2013-04-08 02:34:17 PM  

Girion47: With the bars I go to, and the beers I order, each beer has it's own glass and the recommended pour marked on the glass in centiliters.   There's no shorting of beer in that case.


There is if the bottom of the glass is thicker than normal. In that case the line doesn't do you any good.

IIRC, Germany has strict laws about this and even soft drink glasses have a line on them to indicate how much you are getting.
 
2013-04-08 02:46:16 PM  

stevetherobot: Girion47: With the bars I go to, and the beers I order, each beer has it's own glass and the recommended pour marked on the glass in centiliters.   There's no shorting of beer in that case.

There is if the bottom of the glass is thicker than normal. In that case the line doesn't do you any good.

IIRC, Germany has strict laws about this and even soft drink glasses have a line on them to indicate how much you are getting.


You mean they make sure businesses aren't able to steal from their customers?

Dystopian commie state!
 
2013-04-08 06:36:40 PM  
Happy Hours: No shiat. I can buy a fifth of whiskey for the same price as 2 drinks in your farking bar.

Forget bars, I went to a comedy club once (with a two item per person minimum). The food was a normal (read not ridiculous) marked up price ($12 for a huge plate of nachos), but the price for a drink was in another galaxy ($16 for a long island).

I guess next time around (if there is a next time), I'm going to eat two plates of nachos.

// can't eat two plates of nachos
 
2013-04-08 07:27:54 PM  

giftedmadness: YouSirAreAMaroon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Mister Buttons: MatrixOutsider: Pouring piss water into top shelf liquor bottles and charging top shelf prices is not on the list?

If a bar is caught doing this it can result in at least a $5000 dollar fine, and possible loss of liquor license.  This is not something that bars do.

Dunno how other states do it, but my sister used to tend bar at a Chinese restaurant in California, and one day had a guy come in with a briefcase, sat down and ordered a drink. She mixed it, set it down in front of him, and he immediately flashed his ABC credentials, opened his briefcase, poured the drink into a container, sealed it, and walked out the door to a van parked in the lot. Ten minutes later, he came back, told her that her pour was right on the money, and she had passed their audit. The restaurant was lucky that the other bartender wasn't there; she was a notorious overpourer, and they'd have fined her and the restaurant on the spot.

Cajnik: 9. "Don't drink and drive, for your sake - and ours."

This is BS. It shouldn't be the bars job to babysit you. Hell, they already have to listen to your drivel. Don't drink and drive - good advice. Don't sue the person who handed you a beer when you asked for it - better advice.

I've lost two good friends that left bars ridiculously drunk and died; one on a motorcycle that hit a dumpster at 130 mph. My sister, when she's tending bar keeps a clinical eye on all her customers, and also keeps a running tally of how much she's served each customer. She's also very smooth about how she '86es customers- she'll sweet-talk you right onto the sidewalk so suavely, that you'll think you put yourself there on purpose. That's because she wants you back as a customer.

You have poor taste in friends, the motorcycle douche was begging to die. I'm pleased he got his wish.

Wow, you lonely, brah? And the fark douche of the year goes to.......


Sorry if I don't cry for Darwin's finest. If you want to off yourself use a gun at home like a respectable person, don't put others in danger.
 
2013-04-08 09:08:13 PM  

YouSirAreAMaroon: Sorry if I don't cry for Darwin's finest. If you want to off yourself use a gun at home like a respectable person, don't put others in danger.


You know, I'd almost agree with you if I didn't know this person like I did. He was a twenty-one year old hard working kid. He bought a Suzuki GSXR750, with his wages from working construction. He found out that he was a very capable rider, but like any kid was trying to find his boundaries. The only time I have ever been scared on a motorcycle was riding on the back of his bike. I never did it again, but he was damned good. He just thought he was better than he was.

He had just gotten married a month before, and was celebrating that night that his first child was on the way. He was known at the bar (he grew up with the owner's kid), but was usually a one-drink-and-gone kind of irregular customer; however they were buying him free drinks all night, and he was buying rounds for his friends (I wasn't there, this is second hand).

He lived way out in the boonies, about 20 miles from the nearest town, and had a friend on the back of his bike. They were on the only straight stretch (he lived in the mountains) of road for his entire trip. The road takes a major dip as it goes through an old riverbed, and then rises back on the other side. Like many state highways, there is little improvement, as the roads just follow the lay of the land. His habit was to accelerate on the straight stretch, and wheelie into the dip, and set the front wheel back down on the other side. Something went wrong, and he went onto the dirt shoulder, and hit a dumpster that normally wouldn't be there, but for the homeowner remodeling. His friend launched over the dumpster into the side of a pickup truck, and was killed instantly. I got a phone call at 4am, and hightailed it to the hospital, and at 6am, they pronounced my friend dead. I later heard from one of the nurses that the ER doctor may have accidentally killed him, but yes, he brought his death upon himself.

Now, this brings me to your comment here, and above. I won't apologize to you for saying what I did, but I shouldn't have lost my shiat. It was better that we communicated through this forum, because your callous comments said face-to-face would have created multiple problems for both of us. I cherish my friend's memory, and still visit his son (now fully grown) whenever I'm in the area. He was a good friend, who would have been at that same hospital for me, had our roles reversed. And you have no business nor right to judge him. Because you. don't. know.
 
2013-04-09 12:42:24 AM  

stevetherobot: Girion47: With the bars I go to, and the beers I order, each beer has it's own glass and the recommended pour marked on the glass in centiliters.   There's no shorting of beer in that case.

There is if the bottom of the glass is thicker than normal. In that case the line doesn't do you any good.

IIRC, Germany has strict laws about this and even soft drink glasses have a line on them to indicate how much you are getting.


Then you are talking outright fraud and it is a whole new story. Completely illegal and will probably get you shut down fairly quickly in most of the developed world.

Most places don't specify how much you are getting, but by providing a cup that has the same dimensions as a pint, people are led to believe it is a pint. There is no fraud or other legal issues, it is just misleading.

If the bar wants to sell 12 ounce beers they are more than welcome to it, but with measured glasses every customer will know they are 12 ounces.
 
2013-04-09 12:44:50 AM  
 
2013-04-09 09:49:33 AM  
was it just me or did any one else notice that not a single one of those complaints mentioned the most important trait that could check these isues?

taste your farking drink.  if it tastes like crap, don't get another,

with wine, I send back bar wine all the time.  i know bars open a bottle and don't serve a glass for months.  that's also why i ask what was opened most recently.  if it tastes like poison, i say, sorry, i think this turned, or it's corked, or whatever i tasted that was amiss.  If they say, I just opened it, then I say.  Ok, can you please taste it to let me know if it is supposed to taste like that, because it's not very good.  i apologize and thank the person... so far, every bartender I've ever had knows that wine can go bad and will replace a shiat glass.  that's probably why wine is one of the most marked up bar drinks, it has the loss calculated into the price.

now, if i could not tell that it had gone bad, then it doesn't taste bad to me.  so, what's the problem?  i have bad taste and i don't care.  so, it's a non-issue.  this whole article was written like it was trying to reveal secrets to you.  IF you could not taste the problem, then there was no problem for you.  otherwise, if you tasted the problem, you would not keep drinking there.  it's quite simple.

same thing with the wells and anything else.  only spend more money because it will taste better.  if you can't blind taste test the difference, consider yourself blessed that you can enjoy the well while others are spending more.
 
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