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(The Sun)   Orangutans cling to the last tree in the forest as bulldozers plow down their home. Damned dirty humans   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 77
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2013-04-07 04:51:20 AM  
It is surprisingly hard to avoid eating the palm oil too - it seems to be in sooo many easily eaten products.

About time a product maker or ten set themselves apart and chose not to use this unfriendly oil.
 
2013-04-07 08:23:07 AM  
Haha! Homo sapiens rule! #1 great ape!
 
2013-04-07 08:23:14 AM  
About time they made this for my rusty palms.
 
2013-04-07 08:31:36 AM  
Worst Avatar remake ever.
 
2013-04-07 08:33:11 AM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2013-04-07 08:36:36 AM  
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oblig
 
2013-04-07 08:37:40 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.zap2it.com image 520x580]
oblig


i2.ytimg.com

And wanted for questioning.....
 
2013-04-07 08:38:03 AM  
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Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
 
2013-04-07 08:46:19 AM  
While I think that PETA are just a bunch of attention whores, I'd love an eco-terrorist outfit to start a fairly localized apocalypse once this palm oil plantation is up and running.
 
2013-04-07 08:46:52 AM  
Ah, capitalism. Is there any waste that cannot be laid in its efforts to turn the world into a parking lot?
 
2013-04-07 08:48:41 AM  

r1niceboy: While I think that PETA are just a bunch of attention whores, I'd love an eco-terrorist outfit to start a fairly localized apocalypse once this palm oil plantation is up and running.


Yah, damn those poor people and developing counties being pushed to make cheap palm oil for our 1st world food products.
 
2013-04-07 08:55:22 AM  
My only wish for this article was that they continue in the story describing the relocation and rehabilitation of the guys. Where were they sent; pictures of their new home; etc.

Orangs

One of my favorite animals.
 
2013-04-07 08:57:44 AM  
But what about carbon sequestration?

Why do you people hate the planet?

http://www.jle.com/e-docs/00/04/10/6D/article.phtml
 
2013-04-07 09:01:07 AM  
i309.photobucket.com  oil
 
2013-04-07 09:16:06 AM  
img.thesun.co.uk

Exhausted ... this orangutan is so weak it has to cling onto the back of a rescue worker


Uh... that orangutan doesn't look tired. It looks dead or at the very least heavily sedated.

:-(
Oh... and the 80's called. They want their jeans back.
 
2013-04-07 09:27:48 AM  

here to help: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x490]

Exhausted ... this orangutan is so weak it has to cling onto the back of a rescue worker

Uh... that orangutan doesn't look tired. It looks dead or at the very least heavily sedated.

:-(
Oh... and the 80's called. They want their jeans back.


blipponaut: r1niceboy: While I think that PETA are just a bunch of attention whores, I'd love an eco-terrorist outfit to start a fairly localized apocalypse once this palm oil plantation is up and running.

Yah, damn those poor people and developing counties being pushed to make cheap palm oil for our 1st world food products.


I would imagine it's sedated.  I don't think that after days hiding from humans who are destroying their habitat, a orangutan is likely to think "Oh, these humans that are coming now are cool, I should totally go with them."
 
2013-04-07 09:29:10 AM  
There's a video of an orangutan smoking a doobie on YouTube
 
2013-04-07 09:32:08 AM  

jake_lex: I would imagine it's sedated. I don't think that after days hiding from humans who are destroying their habitat, a orangutan is likely to think "Oh, these humans that are coming now are cool, I should totally go with them."


My point was they should have said that instead of lying. I don't care how tired a wild ape is (are tan's apes?) it isn't gonna just flop on Joe Schlub's back like that after being terrorized by bulldozers. I'm imagining arms being ripped from their sockets and faces rearranged.
 
2013-04-07 09:32:53 AM  

ransack.: There's a video of an orangutan smoking a doobie on YouTube


That's racist.
 
2013-04-07 09:36:02 AM  
The sedated orangatans will be re-trained at the palm oil re-education camp for oil extraction.
 
2013-04-07 09:36:32 AM  
Hayduke lives!
 
2013-04-07 09:37:03 AM  
They were Palestinian orangutans, so it's OK.
 
2013-04-07 09:37:35 AM  
We are so doomed.
 
2013-04-07 09:38:26 AM  
Palm oil is terribly unhealthy.

I'm an enviornmentalist but I find that we very much have a have your cake and eat it too mentality when it comes to developing nations. They want progress too.

They do tend to be shortsighted when it comes to their environment but that puts the onus on us to educate the dumb shiats.

/pissing off environment haters and the environment lovers in one fell swoop
//these issues are very complicated
 
2013-04-07 09:40:18 AM  

Generation_D: They were Palestinian orangutans, so it's OK.


It couldn't have been. It wasn't firing rockets at an elementary school.
 
2013-04-07 09:49:48 AM  
I have a tendency to prefer every other animal over the average human. This does not help me with reversing my preference.
 
2013-04-07 09:53:30 AM  

give me doughnuts: Generation_D: They were Palestinian orangutans, so it's OK.

It couldn't have been. It wasn't firing rockets at an elementary school.


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2013-04-07 10:09:02 AM  

here to help: ransack.: There's a video of an orangutan smoking a doobie on YouTube

That's racist.


here I found it Orangutan smoking some bud
 
2013-04-07 10:12:35 AM  
Mrs. Puckheaven and I spent 3 weeks in the Sabah state of Borneo in 2008 and when we flew over the country it was appauling to see how much forest was cut down for palm oil.  Check the ingredients of just about anything, there it is.  We are doing our best to avoid eating it, but it is one of the more ubiquitous ingredients in food.  I actually spoke to the tourism minister (they actually put me through to him on the phone) and he agreed that it is a huge problem.

The problem stems from the fact that they (along with Indonesia) are producer nations that have now become dependent on the money from the multinational corporations for infrastructure projects.  It is a vicious cycle and one that we as American's can do little about except in our choices in products. (as with most things)

While we loved our time in the Danum Valley (an amazing place) the poverty and forest destruction continues to make us sad and we talk about what that place will look like when our children are old enough to visit.

While I know this is Fark and snark and internet tough guys are everywhere, perhaps we can take this opportunity to educate ourselves on exactly what palm oil is, the damage it does environmentally and socially and the long term impact it has on generations of South East Asians.
 
2013-04-07 10:16:40 AM  
Ook
 
2013-04-07 10:26:57 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ook


My mother is a saint!
 
2013-04-07 10:30:11 AM  

blipponaut: r1niceboy: While I think that PETA are just a bunch of attention whores, I'd love an eco-terrorist outfit to start a fairly localized apocalypse once this palm oil plantation is up and running.

Yah, damn those poor people and developing counties being pushed to make cheap palm oil for our 1st world food products.


I'm sure a poor person bought several square miles of Borneo real estate and then employed hundreds of people to clear cut the forest there. They probably paid for it by getting a paper round.
 
2013-04-07 10:31:23 AM  

Langdon_777: It is surprisingly hard to avoid eating the palm oil too - it seems to be in sooo many easily eaten products.

About time a product maker or ten set themselves apart and chose not to use this unfriendly oil.


Palm oil substitutes for animal fats in most baked goods. Other vegetable oils just don't cut it.

So blame the veggie hippies who don't want lard in their food.
 
2013-04-07 10:37:47 AM  

opiumpoopy: Langdon_777: It is surprisingly hard to avoid eating the palm oil too - it seems to be in sooo many easily eaten products.

About time a product maker or ten set themselves apart and chose not to use this unfriendly oil.

Palm oil substitutes for animal fats in most baked goods. Other vegetable oils just don't cut it.

So blame the veggie hippies who don't want lard in their food.


Well kinda, but then there's the part about food animals taking more carbon footprint to feed and raise, from the feed, the run-off from their poop, all the stuff.

there's no real cheap way out of not causing environmental footprints, the questions always are around where and how much.
 
xcv
2013-04-07 10:41:09 AM  

nocturnal001: Palm oil is terribly unhealthy.

I'm an enviornmentalist but I find that we very much have a have your cake and eat it too mentality when it comes to developing nations. They want progress too.

They do tend to be shortsighted when it comes to their environment but that puts the onus on us to educate the dumb shiats.

/pissing off environment haters and the environment lovers in one fell swoop
//these issues are very complicated


We're just as shortsighted in the West. We want cheap labor from immigration with zero consideration for the carbon footprint increase of a person that went from riding on top of a minibus and living in a sustainable village in some developing country to owning 2 gas-guzzling used cars and trucks in an open  land-consuming, heavily paved housing development with high energy demands.
 
2013-04-07 10:46:13 AM  
Well, the world needs librarians, too.

/Sorry, actually has a sad over the situation with the 'tangs.  :(
 
2013-04-07 11:06:15 AM  

xcv: nocturnal001: Palm oil is terribly unhealthy.

I'm an enviornmentalist but I find that we very much have a have your cake and eat it too mentality when it comes to developing nations. They want progress too.

They do tend to be shortsighted when it comes to their environment but that puts the onus on us to educate the dumb shiats.

/pissing off environment haters and the environment lovers in one fell swoop
//these issues are very complicated

We're just as shortsighted in the West. We want cheap labor from immigration with zero consideration for the carbon footprint increase of a person that went from riding on top of a minibus and living in a sustainable village in some developing country to owning 2 gas-guzzling used cars and trucks in an open  land-consuming, heavily paved housing development with high energy demands.


So it's OK for us in the west to have the nice lifestyle but not for those in developing countries? I'm sure that is not what you meant but that's how it reads.

 Also, I will now look into how much palm oil I am eating, how unhealthy it is for my fat ass, and if I can decrease my intake or substitute it for canola oil which is made here in my country.
 
2013-04-07 11:14:42 AM  
Dirty  hairless chimps destroying their brothers' habitat.
 
2013-04-07 11:30:42 AM  
Aren't they supposed to be living in our houses by now, drinking beer and knocking out bikers?  Looks like evolution to me.
 
2013-04-07 11:32:14 AM  

Langdon_777: It is surprisingly hard to avoid eating the palm oil too - it seems to be in sooo many easily eaten products.

About time a product maker or ten set themselves apart and chose not to use this unfriendly oil.


Palm makes an incredible ammount of oil per acre which is why it's such a popular tropical crop.  But when there's money to be made there's no room for things like nature.
 
2013-04-07 11:43:31 AM  

r1niceboy: blipponaut: r1niceboy: While I think that PETA are just a bunch of attention whores, I'd love an eco-terrorist outfit to start a fairly localized apocalypse once this palm oil plantation is up and running.

Yah, damn those poor people and developing counties being pushed to make cheap palm oil for our 1st world food products.

I'm sure a poor person bought several square miles of Borneo real estate and then employed hundreds of people to clear cut the forest there. They probably paid for it by getting a paper round.


Do Brits call paper routes paper rounds? That's new to me.
 
2013-04-07 11:45:32 AM  

give me doughnuts: Generation_D: They were Palestinian orangutans, so it's OK.

It couldn't have been. It wasn't firing rockets at an elementary school.


They aren't rockets, they're mortars. Rockets are self-propelled and accelerate after they extra-tubulate.
 
2013-04-07 11:49:27 AM  

xcv: nocturnal001: Palm oil is terribly unhealthy.

I'm an enviornmentalist but I find that we very much have a have your cake and eat it too mentality when it comes to developing nations. They want progress too.

They do tend to be shortsighted when it comes to their environment but that puts the onus on us to educate the dumb shiats.

/pissing off environment haters and the environment lovers in one fell swoop
//these issues are very complicated

We're just as shortsighted in the West. We want cheap labor from immigration with zero consideration for the carbon footprint increase of a person that went from riding on top of a minibus and living in a sustainable village in some developing country to owning 2 gas-guzzling used cars and trucks in an open  land-consuming, heavily paved housing development with high energy demands.


Do you have any idea how much energy Sol radiates? And even though a tiny fraction of that gets here, do you know how much that actually is? Global warming means there's too much energy reaching Earth's surface. How can we possibly have both an energy shortage and global warming? Study it out.
 
2013-04-07 11:52:29 AM  

puckheaven: Mrs. Puckheaven and I spent 3 weeks in the Sabah state of Borneo in 2008 and when we flew over the country it was appauling to see how much forest was cut down for palm oil.  Check the ingredients of just about anything, there it is.  We are doing our best to avoid eating it, but it is one of the more ubiquitous ingredients in food.  I actually spoke to the tourism minister (they actually put me through to him on the phone) and he agreed that it is a huge problem.

The problem stems from the fact that they (along with Indonesia) are producer nations that have now become dependent on the money from the multinational corporations for infrastructure projects.  It is a vicious cycle and one that we as American's can do little about except in our choices in products. (as with most things)

While we loved our time in the Danum Valley (an amazing place) the poverty and forest destruction continues to make us sad and we talk about what that place will look like when our children are old enough to visit.

While I know this is Fark and snark and internet tough guys are everywhere, perhaps we can take this opportunity to educate ourselves on exactly what palm oil is, the damage it does environmentally and socially and the long term impact it has on generations of South East Asians.


Is puck heaven where broken hockey pucks go? Is that a native Nunavutian religious allegory?
 
2013-04-07 11:55:31 AM  

Ohlookabutterfly: xcv: nocturnal001: Palm oil is terribly unhealthy.

I'm an enviornmentalist but I find that we very much have a have your cake and eat it too mentality when it comes to developing nations. They want progress too.

They do tend to be shortsighted when it comes to their environment but that puts the onus on us to educate the dumb shiats.

/pissing off environment haters and the environment lovers in one fell swoop
//these issues are very complicated

We're just as shortsighted in the West. We want cheap labor from immigration with zero consideration for the carbon footprint increase of a person that went from riding on top of a minibus and living in a sustainable village in some developing country to owning 2 gas-guzzling used cars and trucks in an open  land-consuming, heavily paved housing development with high energy demands.

So it's OK for us in the west to have the nice lifestyle but not for those in developing countries? I'm sure that is not what you meant but that's how it reads.

 Also, I will now look into how much palm oil I am eating, how unhealthy it is for my fat ass, and if I can decrease my intake or substitute it for canola oil which is made here in my country.


No he's saying that using cheap foreign labor will increase THEIR carbon footprints (that is a racist term cause HFCS-related diabetes ate my feet) and thus spoil the undeveloped nations that still have wilderness and wetland and plains and jungles and megafauna.
 
2013-04-07 12:00:47 PM  

BenJammin: Dirty  hairless chimps destroying their brothers' habitat.


You're directly related to the bacteria you kill when you use hand sanitizer. Is this any different? Every living thing is related by blood. If you value the lives of orangutans because they're closely related to you, then how can you disregard other humans, who are undeniably more closely related? Many more humans suffer than orangutans. So why give a crap about them?
 
2013-04-07 12:01:01 PM  

Ambivalence: Langdon_777: It is surprisingly hard to avoid eating the palm oil too - it seems to be in sooo many easily eaten products.

About time a product maker or ten set themselves apart and chose not to use this unfriendly oil.

Palm makes an incredible ammount of oil per acre which is why it's such a popular tropical crop.  But when there's money to be made there's no room for things like nature.


True :(

I would still pay more for a product with a friendly cartoon orangutang on it that was palm oil free.

Tropical islands covered with glorious rainforests,with millions of people on, are probably not the best place to have intensive agriculture (waay better to have top dollar, organic or hand picked from the wild hard to get produce ... bit like orangutangs are for the tourist dollar - they make millions out of that, alas some other bastard with the right connections wants to make millions out of palm oil).  Now sweat shops is where it is at, much smaller land area needed ;)
 
2013-04-07 12:03:36 PM  

ransack.: BenJammin: Dirty  hairless chimps destroying their brothers' habitat.

You're directly related to the bacteria you kill when you use hand sanitizer. Is this any different? Every living thing is related by blood. If you value the lives of orangutans because they're closely related to you, then how can you disregard other humans, who are undeniably more closely related? Many more humans suffer than orangutans. So why give a crap about them?


Umm just a guess but could it be that there are HEAPS less than 7 billion of them :p
 
2013-04-07 12:06:02 PM  

Langdon_777: Ambivalence: Langdon_777: It is surprisingly hard to avoid eating the palm oil too - it seems to be in sooo many easily eaten products.

About time a product maker or ten set themselves apart and chose not to use this unfriendly oil.

Palm makes an incredible ammount of oil per acre which is why it's such a popular tropical crop.  But when there's money to be made there's no room for things like nature.

True :(

I would still pay more for a product with a friendly cartoon orangutang on it that was palm oil free.

Tropical islands covered with glorious rainforests,with millions of people on, are probably not the best place to have intensive agriculture (waay better to have top dollar, organic or hand picked from the wild hard to get produce ... bit like orangutangs are for the tourist dollar - they make millions out of that, alas some other bastard with the right connections wants to make millions out of palm oil).  Now sweat shops is where it is at, much smaller land area needed ;)


How about a nice friendly orangutan on the box, and they rename Palm Kernel Oil to its chemical compound name(s) instead? That way you get to feel good, and the company gets to keep exploiting while charging you more for your blind devotion to facile solutions.

Kind of how 20 years ago all the shampoos quit listing "Animal Collagen" as an ingredient, and instead went with breaking collagen down into chemical components. Was remarkable. Overnight everyone stopped using animal colligen. I think they even got to put a sticker on the package.
 
2013-04-07 12:11:57 PM  
Cropped pictures, an unnamed company, no mention of a specific location and an opening salvo that refers to a "...money-spinning palm oil plantation" makes me think this isn't a news article, its an editorial.
 
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