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(ESPN)   It's the off season, less than a month before the draft and no team seems interested in Tim Tebow. Let's check in with ESPN to see if they'll be able to find a way to discuss Tim Tebow? Maybe throw together a Tim Tebow Top Ten?   (espn.go.com) divider line 33
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2013-04-07 02:34:48 PM  
2 votes:

Mentat: Gosling: rka: After it became apparent that the Jets coaching staff had nothing but contempt for Tebow, the idea that he, as a gimmick foisted on the team by upper management, would hold any sway in the locker room is absurd.

You're thinking in terms of 'Tebow makes everyone hate Ryan instantly'. No. Think like 'Tebow gets in the head of some other back-of-the-depth-chart guy, that guy gets in the head of a third guy, third guy gets in the head of a fourth guy, and it telephone-games through the locker room until Tebow's fingerprints aren't visible anymore'.

Mark Sanchez said that Darrelle Revis said that Santonio Holmes told him that he heard Skip Bayless say that Tim Tebow thought Rex Ryan was a total douchebag, but he didn't say douchebag cause he's Christian or something, but I don't think I want to play for the Jets anymore.


And if Skip Bayless is involved, you can count on his being among the most useless/toxic/hypocritical contributions going. No issue is too small for Skippy to make into a huge deal, so he can white-knight whatever moronic view drives the most pageviews or ratings or controversy. ESPN loves this crap apparently. Bayless is real good at his job, creating controversy out of nothing.
2013-04-07 12:53:24 PM  
2 votes:

Gosling: Generation_D, you're talking about something completely different from what I'm talking about. Just because a player sucks doesn't give you the right to farking lie to him about his place on the depth chart.


He's the head coach. He can do whatever the fark he wants.
2013-04-07 12:31:03 PM  
2 votes:
i1182.photobucket.com
2013-04-07 10:35:09 AM  
2 votes:

born_yesterday: Good.  The sooner he's out of football, the sooner he can get into politics where he truly belongs.


A, I highly doubt he's going to be anything other than a Republican and we have quite enough of those thank you very much.
B, if some team doesn't put him on the field, the fact that he managed to QB the Broncos from 'lost season' to 'playoff win' guarantees that if he never sees another snap, you will hear about him in perpetuity every time someone does a list of What Might Have Been players. If you kill him now, he will become immortal. The only way to prevent that is to have someone, in the NFL, put him on the field, as a quarterback, and wait for him to suck enough that his supporters shut up.
2013-04-07 09:14:03 AM  
2 votes:

Kiribub: Patriots as a fullback.


Don't think patriots use fullbacks, opting for two tight ends instead.
2013-04-07 08:38:51 AM  
2 votes:
Patriots as a fullback.
2013-04-07 10:10:43 PM  
1 votes:

rka: Pro football (sports in general)  teams are riddled with religious people, Tebow is SO not special in that regard. Kurt Warner is thought of in a mostly positive light, he's quite outspoken about his Christianity. No ones seems to hate him because he's religious.


I'm convinced that the idea of people hating Tebow for his religion is completely contrived by the press and the "help I'm being oppressed" crowd. Your usage of Warner is a perfect example. He was a well above-average player and no one cared when he praised Jesus in every single interview.

People dislike Tebow because of the unwarranted attention to a mediocre (or outright sh*tty) product. It's the same reason plenty of people despise the Cowboys. They're tired of their sports shows being dominated by something largely irrelevant. His personal faith has nothing to do with it.
2013-04-07 06:53:31 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: cameroncrazy1984: That has never happened in the history of ever. The third string gimmick quarterback is never the locker room cancer.

He was the second-stringer until it came time to promote the second stringer. McElroy was the third stringer and leapfrogged Tebow.


Which is exactly how Timmah got his start in Denver!

/I'm not sure, but is this the very definition of irony?
//can I get an on-the-field ruling by the Farm irony police
///cue Alanis
2013-04-07 06:43:36 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: Generation_D: The Jets didn't do this already? Or was his lack of playing time just fuel for the "he never got a fair chance" crowd?

No. The Jets DIDN'T do that. Ryan farking LIED to him. All season he was told he was the #2 guy, and then when Butt Fumble forced Ryan's hand, he sent in McElroy and made clear to Tebow that, no, you've actually been #3 all along.


I find it hilarious that you are upset at Rex Ryan for doing to him what (I assume) you were ok with John Fox doing his EXACT same thing to Brady Quinn in order for Tebow to get his start.
2013-04-07 02:24:15 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Wadded Beef: but the minority, heavy-religious types wouldn't hear it

And now we know why certain Fark types hate Tebow with a fury that rivals the temperature of the sun.
It's just anti-religious prejudice, something incredibly common on this site.


Is it anti-religious prejudice to look at the results on the field and look at the style of his play and judge him a so-so NFL backup *at best* ? I think the zealots wanting him to play actually cause more scrutiny to fall on him, which in turn causes him to lose out.

When beating up college competition he was fine, guess what, about 10-20 great college QB a year don't make it far in the NFL. Its that great of a league. And most of them don't parade around on ESPN claiming the LORD was partly involved.

ESPN likes promoting him because it apparently was profitable for them to be part of the Tim Tebow Show for a while, now thats all fun and over with.

Great comparison: Monday Night Football, inaugural season, 1970s. The Oakland Raiders began their legend as "a come from behind team" when they started playing a 46 year old QB named George Blanda. For a few weeks Blanda led his team to victory after improbable victory, soon the Raiders were on Monday Night Football every week. For fun he was also the teams field goal kicker, so in one game Blanda threw for 2 TD in the 4th quarter then kicked the game winning FG. George Blanda became synonymous with late-game heroics.

Did it last? No, the league figured out how to defend a 46 year old QB who was picking apart basic defenses in the late stages of games calling his own plays (even then, teams were moving away from allowing that). Oakland was already a good team, but they didn't go to the Super Bowl that year, nor any year with Blanda calling the plays. He was a good player under very controlled circumstances (as a 46 year old -- as a regular for the Chicago Bears ... or as the first QB for the expansion Houston Oilers he had been pretty great actually .. but those are other stories. Visit the Pro Football Hall of Fame, you'll learn things.)

Tebow the legend will last years; the fact of Tebow is he is a backup QB who had a lucky draw and set the nation on fire for about a month, pulling out some close wins in close games beating up tired defenses that were't set up specifically to stop him.

Thats not the same as wanting him as your featured QB.
rka
2013-04-07 02:17:48 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Wadded Beef: but the minority, heavy-religious types wouldn't hear it

And now we know why certain Fark types hate Tebow with a fury that rivals the temperature of the sun.
It's just anti-religious prejudice, something incredibly common on this site.


But at the end of the day Tebow sits on the bench due to being found lacking in NFL skills not because of his religion. People would do well to keep that part straight. No one on Fark is keeping Tebow down.

Pro football (sports in general)  teams are riddled with religious people, Tebow is SO not special in that regard. Kurt Warner is thought of in a mostly positive light, he's quite outspoken about his Christianity. No ones seems to hate him because he's religious.

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2013-04-07 02:15:42 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: Generation_D, you're talking about something completely different from what I'm talking about. Just because a player sucks doesn't give you the right to farking lie to him about his place on the depth chart.


I would assume you had inside knowledge of the Jets conversations that occurred between Ryan and Tebow, and that these conversations were never superseded by more fact-based subsequent assessment?

Why ream Ryan for trying to do whats best for his team. Ryan wants to win, I think we've all seen that. If you question Ryan's judgment, and you're a Jets fan, if you want a new coach that's your right as a fan to want that.

Otherwise, its Ryan's team and whatever you think you have in the way of information about the relationship between Ryan and Tebow is almost certainly based on third hand knowledge, by people not present, who quite possibly (in the case of ESPN) have a profit-driven motive to keep the hype going as long as possible.

You're free to believe what you want, but its amusing to the point of point-and-laugh funny how much you're white knighting this alleged promise made to Tebow by an NFL coach. NFL coaches promise to win. Period. He owes Tebow nothing, if he saw crap on film he didn't like about Tebow he's under zero obligation to play him if he thinks it helps his team win by not playing him.

I find it odd that you'd think you were in the room when Ryan promised this job to Tebow, and also were in the room where it was sworn to on a stack of bibles never to be able to be revisited later if evidence the coach sees warrants it.

Like said, you can question the coaches W's and L's, but its funny how you think something he said was law forever. Why would you think that? Why do you think its "unfair" to a journeyman QB?

Case in point: The Seahawks "promised" Matt Flynn the starting job of QB. And that lasted until about 3rd week of pre-season. I don't see anyone crying about how Flynn was "promised," except for some stray Green Bay fans that thought we owed it to their former player to play and prove his worth. Didn't happen that way, instead we went with the 3rd round pick, and the coach got it to work out. Question Carroll, many did, but the results speak for themselves, and results is what the NFL is about.

So if you want to question Tebow not playing, at least cite Ryan's crap record as evidence he should, not harp on how "unfair" it is. The league's always going to be "unfair" to someone, thats what competition is.
2013-04-07 02:07:28 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: Well, then Ryan's a shiatty head coach, because one of your most important responsibilities as a coach is to get your players to trust you


No Ryan's a shiatty head coach because he doesn't win many football games.  You don't need your players to trust you with regard to the bindingness of the depth chart.  The Patriots will sometimes brutally run players out of town when they don't feel like they measure up, yet you don't hear that management is in danger of losing the locker room.

Mike Shanahan named Brian Griese the week 1 starter after telling Bubby Brister and the world that it was Brister's job to lose during the preseason.  He benched Jake Plummer after Plummer got the Broncos to the AFC championship game.  He didn't lose the team at that point.  It wasn't until he decided that defensive talent was secondary to gimmickry that players decided to tune him out.

If the Jets had gone 10-6 last season, people would be talking about how deftly Rex Ryan handled everything with Sanchez/Tebow.
2013-04-07 02:03:20 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: cameroncrazy1984: That has never happened in the history of ever. The third string gimmick quarterback is never the locker room cancer.

He was the second-stringer until it came time to promote the second stringer. McElroy was the third stringer and leapfrogged Tebow.


Wouldn't be the first time.

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2013-04-07 01:38:07 PM  
1 votes:
this article is a week old, wtf
rka
2013-04-07 01:37:13 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: rka: After it became apparent that the Jets coaching staff had nothing but contempt for Tebow, the idea that he, as a gimmick foisted on the team by upper management, would hold any sway in the locker room is absurd.

You're thinking in terms of 'Tebow makes everyone hate Ryan instantly'. No. Think like 'Tebow gets in the head of some other back-of-the-depth-chart guy, that guy gets in the head of a third guy, third guy gets in the head of a fourth guy, and it telephone-games through the locker room until Tebow's fingerprints aren't visible anymore'.


Gosling: rka: After it became apparent that the Jets coaching staff had nothing but contempt for Tebow, the idea that he, as a gimmick foisted on the team by upper management, would hold any sway in the locker room is absurd.

You're thinking in terms of 'Tebow makes everyone hate Ryan instantly'. No. Think like 'Tebow gets in the head of some other back-of-the-depth-chart guy, that guy gets in the head of a third guy, third guy gets in the head of a fourth guy, and it telephone-games through the locker room until Tebow's fingerprints aren't visible anymore'.


And you're worried about the equivalent of cannon fodder. Those guys are lied to every day. They are constantly signed and then released. They bounce between teams and practice squads. No one gives a shiat what they think, good or bad. So a "back-of-the-depth-chart" guy gets "tainted" by Tebow. So what? At the end of the day if he doesn't run himself through a brick wall at the orders of his coach that guy is gone and no one gives a shiat what the reasons were. And that guy knows it, and his wallet knows it.

So we've established that a) Tebow doesn't have the clout in the locker room to affect anyone who actually matters b) Anyone he can affect is so low on the totem pole that if they let Tebow affect them they are out on their ass anyways. It's a self-correcting problem.

I don't see any downside to lying to Tebow...which is a debatable (and ultimately useless) assertion in the first place. Depth charts are not written in stone. They are not the 10 commandments from Moses. Today you may be #2, tomorrow you could be cut. Welcome to the NFL Tim.
2013-04-07 01:26:35 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: Think like 'Tebow gets in the head of some other back-of-the-depth-chart guy, that guy gets in the head of a third guy, third guy gets in the head of a fourth guy, and it telephone-games through the locker room until Tebow's fingerprints aren't visible anymore'.


That has never happened in the history of ever. The third string gimmick quarterback is never the locker room cancer.
rka
2013-04-07 01:19:33 PM  
1 votes:
After it became apparent that the Jets coaching staff had nothing but contempt for Tebow, the idea that he, as a gimmick foisted on the team by upper management, would hold any sway in the locker room is absurd.
2013-04-07 01:19:11 PM  
1 votes:
I'd hate to be the guy at Florham Park that has to read all these surveys.
2013-04-07 01:14:57 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: he's still in the clubhouse talking to the other players


Call me crazy but I doubt any Jets players who are actually playing give a sh*t about Tim Tebow's farking opinion of Rex Ryan.
rka
2013-04-07 01:13:54 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: cameroncrazy1984: He's the head coach. He can do whatever the fark he wants.

Well, then Ryan's a shiatty head coach, because one of your most important responsibilities as a coach is to get your players to trust you. If you're lying to them, they can't trust you. They're going to question whether you know what the hell you're doing, or whether you're lying to them some more on any given occasion. They're going to hesitate. And hesitation and distrust kills you on the field.


Well that whole "on the field" part of the equation isn't much of a problem when it comes to Timmy Tebow now is it?
2013-04-07 01:05:53 PM  
1 votes:
Gosling: important responsibilities as a coach is to get your players to trust you.

Why would you care about getting a sh*tty player to trust you? He ain't playing anyway.
2013-04-07 12:44:22 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: born_yesterday: Good.  The sooner he's out of football, the sooner he can get into politics where he truly belongs.

I got a sawbuck here that says he's the pastor of a megachurch within 5 years.


Mayor of Jacksonville, then roving pastor for churches that need a thrill to put butts in the pews.
2013-04-07 12:38:52 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: Generation_D: He LIED? Or he saw in practice that Tebow SUCKED and didn't DESERVE to start in the NFL ?

No. Lied. If he was the #3, farking tell him he's the #3. Don't string him along all year by telling him he's #2 and then tell him right at the moment #2 is needed that he actually wasn't. Ryan wasted the fans' time, and he wasted Tebow's time. And it tells Tebow he can never trust another word that comes out of his own coach's mouth. Would you trust a coach that pulled that shiat on you? Because I sure wouldn't.


You make Tebow sound like a precious and unique snowflake that needs to be protected from the evils of the world.

Rather than the God-given blessed QB with all of the leadership ability that being a favorite of ESPN commentators gets you.

I know this much, the market for backup QB is way down this year. The Seahawks got a 5th round pick peddling Flynn off to Oakland, which is crazy less than what they thought they'd get for him. Maybe the market being down for backup QB is partly to blame for the lack of a rush to acquire Tebow?

Maybe contributing to this is how every defensive coord/head coach has seen enough tape on Tebow to know that the only way he helps you is during busted plays where primary coverage has broken down, because he 1) Isn't an accurate enough or fast enough pocket passer, because 2) He has a very slow read and a very slow release for an NFL QB, and 3) because of his size, he always got by on his physical strength that 4) Only works on busted plays where the defense has no LB spying him from the start, see point (1).

He's Roethlesburger without the accuracy. For his type of QB to work you have to constantly have a mismatch at wideout who is a good 10 yards clear, AND, you have to have no defense that can both pass rush and guard the line of scrimmage against a QB thats going to run 2/3 of the time only.

I still think he might be able to be a decent Read-Option backup, but the slow release point and inaccurate throwing arm (by NFL standards) takes a huge toll. Its one thing to beat a tired defense in the 4th quarter, its another to completely suck so badly you never get to the 4th quarter in a close game.

Maybe NFL teams are just unconvinced. Maybe the LORD is testing his faith. Either way he's a mediocre QB and everyone not caught up in the hype saw it from the minute he left Florida.
2013-04-07 12:26:33 PM  
1 votes:

WillofJ2: What I don't get about him is he can at least run and is a bad passer, and there are a few teams starting with guys that cant run and are bad passers that are expensive and bring no publicity, seems like a good choice from a business standpoint


Caveat emptor. As a Bronco fan in Denver I lived among the majority who rolled their eyes at the circus-side-show-freakhouse (re: publicity) Tebow worship created. Most fans knew (or noticed quickly) that Tebow was out of his league, but the minority, heavy-religious types wouldn't hear it and they shouted Tebow's praises from the mountains. In many cases, literally.

There were actually those who called Elway 'jealous' of Tebow and how he might upstage him in Bronco history. This was after Elway brought in Peyton Freaking MANNING.
2013-04-07 12:20:47 PM  
1 votes:

Generation_D: He LIED? Or he saw in practice that Tebow SUCKED and didn't DESERVE to start in the NFL ?


No. Lied. If he was the #3, farking tell him he's the #3. Don't string him along all year by telling him he's #2 and then tell him right at the moment #2 is needed that he actually wasn't. Ryan wasted the fans' time, and he wasted Tebow's time. And it tells Tebow he can never trust another word that comes out of his own coach's mouth. Would you trust a coach that pulled that shiat on you? Because I sure wouldn't.
2013-04-07 12:10:08 PM  
1 votes:
"Not even if he is released." I love the Jags' new GM.
2013-04-07 11:20:33 AM  
1 votes:

Gosling: Generation_D: The Jets didn't do this already? Or was his lack of playing time just fuel for the "he never got a fair chance" crowd?

No. The Jets DIDN'T do that. Ryan farking LIED to him. All season he was told he was the #2 guy, and then when Butt Fumble forced Ryan's hand, he sent in McElroy and made clear to Tebow that, no, you've actually been #3 all along.


He LIED? Or he saw in practice that Tebow SUCKED and didn't DESERVE to start in the NFL ?

Oddly specific CAPS locks FTW.
2013-04-07 10:54:09 AM  
1 votes:
Matt Cassel has a job and Tim Tebow doesn't.  That amuses me to no end.
2013-04-07 10:53:22 AM  
1 votes:

Generation_D: The Jets didn't do this already? Or was his lack of playing time just fuel for the "he never got a fair chance" crowd?


No. The Jets DIDN'T do that. Ryan farking LIED to him. All season he was told he was the #2 guy, and then when Butt Fumble forced Ryan's hand, he sent in McElroy and made clear to Tebow that, no, you've actually been #3 all along.
2013-04-07 09:19:39 AM  
1 votes:

born_yesterday: Good.  The sooner he's out of football, the sooner he can get into politics where he truly belongs.


I got a sawbuck here that says he's the pastor of a megachurch within 5 years.
2013-04-07 08:37:35 AM  
1 votes:
Good.  The sooner he's out of football, the sooner he can get into politics where he truly belongs.
2013-04-07 08:24:24 AM  
1 votes:
Seems Fark is invested in getting a few cheap pageviews off of him too.
 
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