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2013-04-07 02:17:52 AM  
Fwiw, in the time it took for this news to bubble up to the front page, the Google News headlines went from "Pastor Rick Warren's Homosexual Son Commits Suicide"* to "Pastor Rick Warren's Son Commits Suicide After Lifelong Battle With Mental Illness."

...And naturally it's a mental illness they won't specify, which includes depression.

*Yes, I saw this headline.  An interwebs detective more skilled than myself might be able to find it cached someplace, but "homosexual" in connection with "Warren" has been scrubbed from Google News searches.
 
2013-04-07 02:18:56 AM  

bugontherug: I cannot adequately link Rick Warren to enlisting youth to harass homosexuals. I'm sorry I said that. Nonetheless, his years of spewing bile against homosexuals conclusively prove 1) that not everything I said is bullsh*t, and 2) that he is an evil man.



1. You assert - WITHOUT EVIDENCE - that Warren's son was gay, and that the reason he committed suicide is BECAUSE he was gay, and was rejected by his father.

2. You celebrate the death of a man - WHO YOU ASSERT WAS GAY - because you want his father to "feel bad".


YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
 
2013-04-07 02:19:39 AM  

Kevin72: Relatively Obscure: Kevin72: No liberals are hating. No one knows if the son was gay or not. Its all speculation and opinion. But highly likely, or it wouldn't be speculated or opined.

Okay.  There is no way you are serious.

Of course I'm serious. I did not have proof that the son was gay so I toned down my rhetoric to calling it speculation and opinion. But I will say that it is not hateful to speculate that the son was gay. Only someone who hates gays would say that it is hateful to speculate that the son was gay.


That's not what I'm talking about.  I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt regarding your understanding of likelihood in assuming you aren't serious.  Don't take that away.
 
2013-04-07 02:21:52 AM  
Haven't read all the comments, but it's very possible that he just struggled to fit in. There's a lot of social expectations with Christianity, and if he wasn't "on pace" with the rest of his peers (i.e. go to college after high school, get married by his mid 20s, etc.), it would be very easy to fall into a deep depression. Before I swore off mainstream Christianity (and possibly Christianity altogether), I was in that pit. I was straight, but I never really fit in in high school, didn't date anyone, didn't go off to college, By my mid 20s, not being married and at least moderately successful, I was looked at differently in every church I dared try to attend and it was a major turnoff. I've found some acceptance with the Unitarian Universalists who I feel in many ways are better Christians than mainstream denominations, but even then, it's not a great fit for me.
 
2013-04-07 02:22:51 AM  

bugontherug: I'm sorry he suffered so much he wanted to die. But his father's pain is karmic justice.


No. It's not. His pain is that of a father who's lost his son. His politics and beliefs have nothing to do with this. You can try to converge the two, but I don't think that's a door you should be too keen on opening.

Should all wrongs be brought back against the wrongdoer in such karmic fashion? Should every one of our misdeeds and failings as human beings be trudged before us in our hour of suffering as a way for the rest of the world of saying "AHA! See, had you not been such an asshole your son/daughter/wife/husband would still be alive!"

Yes, there are people out there like Warren who are intolerant of homosexuals, just as there were those who used their influence against blacks and women in previous decades. Do all of them have karmic justice coming? Does every tragedy that befalls their family need to be framed as punishment for their transgressions?

That this man is a bigoted prick, there's little doubt. People like him should be fought and opposed, but we can't lose sight of the fact that he's still a human being who's lost his son. Or we can effectively picket his son's funeral, like some perverted Westboro churchists, claiming that it was his actions that brought it upon himself. I don't know about you, but I have no desire to be grouped in with that lot.
 
2013-04-07 02:24:05 AM  
Maybe he killed himself because he was a better kind of christian but couldn't stand being prejudged as a likely bigot?
 
2013-04-07 02:26:35 AM  

iq_in_binary: Hey, the cosmos are preached about by people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. That's a cult I could really dig.


True, But he's no Carl Sagan.

That's right. I said it.

materialgalacticow.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-07 02:26:53 AM  

bugontherug: bugontherug: iq_in_binary: A healthy belief in karma? I'll take that over all the supposed positive benefits people like Warren claim their imaginary friends have any day.

We put rapists in prison, for example, partly in order to give their victims the satisfaction of their suffering. That satisfaction is a positive good. Likewise, the satisfaction that victims of Rick Warren's campaign of hate against homosexuals experience because of his grief is a positive good.

Pardon me, I thought I was responding to Miss Dimunitive's remark asking if the suffering of an evil person is a positive good. For some reason I quoted your statement instead.

But it's way past my bedtime. Good night, even to the douches who defended Pastor Hitler himself. = P



Assuming you went to bed, and are awakening to review this thread, bugontherug...

GOOD MORNING!

Spring is in the air. The flowers are singing, the birds are blooming... and you, sir, are DOING IT WRONG.


/Good day
 
2013-04-07 02:30:57 AM  

miss diminutive: iq_in_binary: Hey, the cosmos are preached about by people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. That's a cult I could really dig.

True, But he's no Carl Sagan.

That's right. I said it.

[materialgalacticow.files.wordpress.com image 548x424]


Wrong picture

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2013-04-07 02:34:34 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Kevin72: Relatively Obscure: Kevin72: No liberals are hating. No one knows if the son was gay or not. Its all speculation and opinion. But highly likely, or it wouldn't be speculated or opined.

Okay.  There is no way you are serious.

Of course I'm serious. I did not have proof that the son was gay so I toned down my rhetoric to calling it speculation and opinion. But I will say that it is not hateful to speculate that the son was gay. Only someone who hates gays would say that it is hateful to speculate that the son was gay.

That's not what I'm talking about.  I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt regarding your understanding of likelihood in assuming you aren't serious.  Don't take that away.


I am very sorry that Matthew had to die. From what the media did mention about him was that he was very empathetic to the suffering of others and encouraged and helped anyone who needed it.
 
2013-04-07 02:36:04 AM  

iq_in_binary: A healthy belief in karma?


Karma really applies most to what your next life will be. Not the kind of "i want a new car, so i'll be nice to people" or "that guy is a douche. It's good he got cancer" we think of in the west.

And it has to be constructive. No matter how much pain this guy feels in this life, he's probably not going to change or have any revelations. Just rationalize his way around it. So there really is no point to making 'bad' people suffer for their actions in this life, even in Hinduism. When you give in to such sadistic desires there's nothing remotely positive about it. You're really just letting their evil make you evil as well.
 
2013-04-07 02:37:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.


I bet you consider yourself 'tolerant' don't you?
 
2013-04-07 02:39:26 AM  
My parents don't accept that I'm transgender, and I have bad thoughts a lot as a result... Maybe I'll end up the same way (assuming that the son is gay, which I actually doubt in this case).

My parents are atheist, too.
 
2013-04-07 02:40:56 AM  

TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah.  So he was gay.  Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk


What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.


Pretty much this.

 It's like they dislike the guy, so the invented a reason to hate him and then ran with it.

 I've got no issue with someone disliking someone, but inventing random crap to blame them for?! Seriously, what the fark is wrong with you people?
 
2013-04-07 02:42:34 AM  

MaestroJ: Someone who was likely a kind, loving person, has died, folks. Hate his dad, fine, don't treat the son like crap. No matter how hateful the things Rick Warren has said, he's still a dad, and there is very little in this world that is more painful than a parent having to bury their own child.

Rick Warren is a sick, twisted asshole who will deservedly be forever mocked by history as he already majorly is due to his barbaric and backward attitude. Animals like that though still know what it's like to love their child though. Just let that be.


Once again the vaunted 'liberal tolerance' removes it mask to show the vile and disgusting hate it actually is.
WTG nice to see you being so open about bile that courses through your brain - such as it is.
 
2013-04-07 02:44:05 AM  

RedPhoenix122: TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

Pattern recognition.


And here I thought judging someone on a "profiling" basis was supposed to be bad.

/learn something new every day!
 
2013-04-07 02:45:19 AM  

Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.


His statement is a lie? Only if you want to nit pick.
But then you strick me as the kind of person whose need for exactitude borders on autistic levels.

49% of US citizens pay NO INCOME tax and this is according to the IRS.
Do they pay sales taxes/gas taxes etc? Yeah.
Stop being such a prig.
 
2013-04-07 02:45:45 AM  
Pray the mental illness away works equally well as pray the gay away.
 
2013-04-07 02:45:52 AM  
God listened to their prayers to help him, he said no.
 
2013-04-07 02:46:19 AM  

miss diminutive: bugontherug: I'm sorry he suffered so much he wanted to die. But his father's pain is karmic justice.

No. It's not. His pain is that of a father who's lost his son. His politics and beliefs have nothing to do with this. You can try to converge the two, but I don't think that's a door you should be too keen on opening.

Should all wrongs be brought back against the wrongdoer in such karmic fashion? Should every one of our misdeeds and failings as human beings be trudged before us in our hour of suffering as a way for the rest of the world of saying "AHA! See, had you not been such an asshole your son/daughter/wife/husband would still be alive!"

Yes, there are people out there like Warren who are intolerant of homosexuals, just as there were those who used their influence against blacks and women in previous decades. Do all of them have karmic justice coming? Does every tragedy that befalls their family need to be framed as punishment for their transgressions?

That this man is a bigoted prick, there's little doubt. People like him should be fought and opposed, but we can't lose sight of the fact that he's still a human being who's lost his son. Or we can effectively picket his son's funeral, like some perverted Westboro churchists, claiming that it was his actions that brought it upon himself. I don't know about you, but I have no desire to be grouped in with that lot.


Well said, especially the Westboro parallel. Glorying in the death of someone's child, who was not a public figure and did nothing wrong, is disgusting.
 
2013-04-07 02:51:01 AM  
It's truly amazing the amount of hate Farkes/Liters have for people with religious beliefs/moderate/conservative political views.

Especially because they are liberal/Leftist and brag about their tolerance.

That is the true mental illness around here: being tolerant here means you can heap scorn on someone
(Welcometofark/jpg) and gloat about a man who committed suicide because you hate his father.

PLUS the default mode that the guy HAD TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL and his father's beliefs drove him to kill himself.

You're all sick farkers and in the worst possible way.
 
2013-04-07 02:53:13 AM  

douchebag/hater: It's truly amazing the amount of hate Farkes/Liters have for people with religious beliefs/moderate/conservative political views.

Especially because they are liberal/Leftist and brag about their tolerance.

That is the true mental illness around here: being tolerant here means you can heap scorn on someone
(Welcometofark/jpg) and gloat about a man who committed suicide because you hate his father.

PLUS the default mode that the guy HAD TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL and his father's beliefs drove him to kill himself.

You're all sick farkers and in the worst possible way.


They're just bitter because they hate how farking superior you are.
 
2013-04-07 03:01:22 AM  

RenownedCurator: miss diminutive: bugontherug: I'm sorry he suffered so much he wanted to die. But his father's pain is karmic justice.

No. It's not. His pain is that of a father who's lost his son. His politics and beliefs have nothing to do with this. You can try to converge the two, but I don't think that's a door you should be too keen on opening.

Should all wrongs be brought back against the wrongdoer in such karmic fashion? Should every one of our misdeeds and failings as human beings be trudged before us in our hour of suffering as a way for the rest of the world of saying "AHA! See, had you not been such an asshole your son/daughter/wife/husband would still be alive!"

Yes, there are people out there like Warren who are intolerant of homosexuals, just as there were those who used their influence against blacks and women in previous decades. Do all of them have karmic justice coming? Does every tragedy that befalls their family need to be framed as punishment for their transgressions?

That this man is a bigoted prick, there's little doubt. People like him should be fought and opposed, but we can't lose sight of the fact that he's still a human being who's lost his son. Or we can effectively picket his son's funeral, like some perverted Westboro churchists, claiming that it was his actions that brought it upon himself. I don't know about you, but I have no desire to be grouped in with that lot.

Well said, especially the Westboro parallel. Glorying in the death of someone's child, who was not a public figure and did nothing wrong, is disgusting.


Thank you. I know this is the internet and all, so a certain amount of asshatery is to be expected, but sometimes I think we all need to take a collective step back and see things for what they are.

A young man took his life. He felt that his life was so hopeless that continuing to go on living held no appeal to him. That's what should be what the focus is about, not the fact that his father happens to be a highly visible douchebag.
 
2013-04-07 03:02:30 AM  
<blockquote>"But only those closest knew that he struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote in the letter to the Saddleback congregation. </blockquote>

If I grew up with that guy as a father, I'd have felt much the same way.
 
2013-04-07 03:03:13 AM  

jkl65s4: Haven't read all the comments, but it's very possible that he just struggled to fit in. There's a lot of social expectations with Christianity...


It's also entirely possible that his mental-health issues had nothing whatsoever to do with his or his father's religious beliefs, and as far as I am aware, no positive correlation has been found between membership in a religious community and predisposition towards mental illness. If there is any such research, I'm all ears, but I currently suspect that neither has any bearing on the other.

 Kevin72:Of course I'm serious. I did not have proof that the son was gay so I toned down my rhetoric to calling it speculation and opinion. But I will say that it is not hateful to speculate that the son was gay. Only someone who hates gays would say that it is hateful to speculate that the son was gay.

Huge gay-rights backer here. Speculating on his sexuality, if not hateful, feels inappropriate to me, for three related reasons.

First, there is close to zero evidence regarding his sexuality. It is true that gay men are somewhat more likely to be depressed (which is both understandable and tragic), but it's not a huge effect; the incidence of homosexuality among depressed people is not enormously higher than it is among the general population. There are dozens and dozens of factors that have been linked to depression, and I'm not seeing anyone speculating on any of the others. As far as I can see, the only reason that homosexuality is even being brought up is that it would make a compelling narrative: A high-profile bigot callously causes pain to thousands and thousands of people he cares nothing about, but in the end that same bigotry causes the suicide of the person he likely cares most about in the world. Bam: a cautionary parable, gift-wrapped with a bow, complete with hubris, downfall, and a moral worthy of Aesop. However, narrative is primarily a tool of fiction, and I'm seeing no evidence that The Tale of The Pastor and His Son is anything but fiction. Speculation might not be hateful, but it is baseless.


Second, it is disrespectful to both the elder and the younger Warren to create such a narrative. The first is fair game, to be sure--he is a disrespectful man who leads a disrespectful life. His son, however, has never harmed anyone, to the best of my knowledge. He was a tortured, lonely man, who led such a miserable internal life that he decided death was preferable. I do not believe he ever put himself in any spotlight. To me, it seems as though people here are baselessly ascribing him a particular motivation for death, a particular sexuality, a particular daily struggle and a particular relationship to his father, none with the slightest scrap of evidence, and all so that others can use him as the posthumous star of a morality play aimed against his family. Speculation might not be hateful, but it is disrespectful to a young man who has done you no harm.

Third, I think that ascribing him a sexuality acts to diminish the legitimacy of mental health disorders. This is by no means your intent, I am sure, but I think it has that effect regardless. To say "well he must have been gay" is to suggest that depression, by itself, is not explanation enough.There are tens of thousands of suicides every year. Nearly every suicide had been tortured to the end by a condition that has complex manifestations and even more complex causes. Depression is a common disease. It is often misdiagnosed. It is often resistant to treatment. It is often fatal. To imply that a lifetime of mental health struggles is insufficient to explain a suicide--and that something with more pizzazz, like a closeted fear of a bigoted father, must be substituted--comes across as somewhat smug to me. Speculation might not be hateful, but it is delegitimizing.
 
2013-04-07 03:03:51 AM  

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.




Wow, you guys are ruthless. You'll use ANY article to bash Christians. Unreal
 
2013-04-07 03:05:36 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.





You are very easily offended and you also seem to enjoy it.
 
2013-04-07 03:06:42 AM  
I tend to make my absolute hatred of fundies known whenever a thread comes up about them, but while I know part of the above is trolling and part of it is just "This is Fark, let's be cruel.  Welcome to Fark" I really just wanted to say that those of you being serious should be ashamed of yourselves.  There's absolutely nothing there to jump to the conclusion you have, not even a "coded message," other than the fact that you deplore his father's intolerance.  But you come across just as badly as he does, in your willingness to cast everything else to the side to make your point.  A kid with mental problems killed himself.  It's sad.  It isn't a reason to make things up wholesale (yes, I'm sorry, morons, who are shouting about Occam's Razor and code words -- this is, indeed, exactly what you've done.).  You're posting with an almost near sadistic glee over someone you hate's child killing himself.  There is absolutely no value nor honor in such an emotion, however justified you think it is.

This is one of the few times I've felt ashamed to be a part of this community, and especially to read such absolute horrid thoughts coming from people I otherwise agree with.

Even if you end up being right, you really made yourselves look bad here, and I can't even remotely imagine how you can possibly be proud of the things you've posted.
 
2013-04-07 03:08:01 AM  

TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah.  So he was gay.  Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk


What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.


THIS...and I hate Rick Warren
 
2013-04-07 03:08:30 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight




1/10, too obvious
 
2013-04-07 03:09:55 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah.  So he was gay.  Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk


What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.

The article is full of evangelical dogwhistles regarding a gay son.  Rick Warren does not get a pass for being a fundie asshat just because his son died, yes, tragically.

But this must be the kinder, gentler Fark, where we don't offend and insults are verboten.


Disappointed in you. But with misanthrope right in the name, I guess I shouldn't be.
 
2013-04-07 03:12:17 AM  

douchebag/hater: I've seen a lot of shiate for the 8 years I've been coming here but this is truly the worse thread I've seen.

All of you anti-conservative/anti-religion farkers really need to take a look in the mirror and see yourselves for the vile hate-fill losers you actually are instead of hiding between the pus-infected rotting facade of 'tolerance' that you pride yourselves with having.

It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.
From this thread to liberal columnists calling Coin Powell a 'house *igger' and claiming that all Republicans secretly want to bring back slavery and strip mine the world it shows that the hatred is from your side not the Right.

I would say that all of you should be ashamed of yourselves but after reading this thread it's obvious that none of you have any shame - only your unfounded smug sense of superiority and self-rightousness.


I have to agree.  I've been on Fark in one form on another for well over a decade.  I've seen people troll; I've seen people say disgusting things, usually to get a rise out of people.  This is one of the few times I've read people and feel I've just seen into a very nasty part of who they are as human beings.  There's just no call for what has been said in this thread, whether Warren is one of the worst human beings (yes, I feel he is; yes, I am an atheist and carry some bias in that extent) or not.
 
2013-04-07 03:12:43 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: GAT_00: Peter von Nostrand: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Given who his father was, that mental illness was almost certainly homosexuality.  Having your father blasting you indirectly on a national stage, knowing he's talking directly about you, must have been psychologically crippling.

It's just what a good Christian would do to his gay son.

I'd also point out that the right took plenty of shots at Chelsea and now the Obama girls. So claiming the high ground here is farking hilarious. Had something similar happened to someone identified as being on the left, the usual League of Fail members would be here saying much worse




Do you realize how juvenile you sound?
 
2013-04-07 03:15:02 AM  

angrymacface: lostcat: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

That's exactly how I read it.

Indeed. I doubt he's even saddened by his son's suicide.


My god, I hope you are trolling.
 
2013-04-07 03:20:43 AM  

douchebag/hater: MaestroJ: Someone who was likely a kind, loving person, has died, folks. Hate his dad, fine, don't treat the son like crap. No matter how hateful the things Rick Warren has said, he's still a dad, and there is very little in this world that is more painful than a parent having to bury their own child.

Rick Warren is a sick, twisted asshole who will deservedly be forever mocked by history as he already majorly is due to his barbaric and backward attitude. Animals like that though still know what it's like to love their child though. Just let that be.

Once again the vaunted 'liberal tolerance' removes it mask to show the vile and disgusting hate it actually is.
WTG nice to see you being so open about bile that courses through your brain - such as it is.


No one's trying to pass laws saying that mocking Rick Warren is required.  That's more the Right's schtick.
 
2013-04-07 03:22:35 AM  
douchebag/hater:
It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.

False choice.  It clearly can be (and is) from both sides.  Unfortunately, only one side attempts to give their hatefulness the force of law.
 
2013-04-07 03:25:37 AM  

GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.


This right here is some Grade A bull shiat.
 
2013-04-07 03:25:54 AM  

Bisu: Hobodeluxe: Bisu: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?

karma isn't a religion

The way he put it it is. Or should I say, "belief system?" Would that make you feel better? They're both beliefs in things based on faith/superstition instead of empirical evidence.

lohphat: Bisu: Ummm...if you're talking about marriage, then they are. Everyone can legally be married to one person of the opposite gender. Straight people can. Gay people can. Equal rights.  You must wrongly be assuming legal marriage has something to do with sexual attraction to your spouse?

Wow. Just wow.


Technically he is correct.

 The marriage equality movement is less to do about being able to get married (which everyone over 18 is legally permitted to do.) and everything to do about being able to specifically marry someone of the same gender because you find them attractive.

 And since people have massively differing ideas on "attractive" it opened up quite the can of worms.

/t'would be easier to make them all civil unions and remove the emotional attachment of the "pair bonding" from the legal proceedings of the government finding the most efficient way to track ownership of resources and property and "power of attorney" info...which has scant all to do with "love" anyway.
 
2013-04-07 03:27:51 AM  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

No, it doesn't.  Where the fark did people learn about Occam's Razor?

The logic follows.  He would hide any actual mental illness in his family since it would be embarrassing.  Only homosexuality would actually be a harmful mental illness to label someone with to someone like Warren.  And following that, if I was gay and had a father like Warren, I would be suicidal too.


Wow. You ARE an idiot.
 
2013-04-07 03:30:45 AM  
My mom just picked up " the purpose driven life" at a thrift shop. On our last little vacay, she was quoting and preaching bits and pieces at me, acting like she was so high and mighty. I'm sure it would have been much worse if she had actually written the book... And I believe if I would have had to listen to it for more than three days... I probably would have offed myself too. Nothing like a self righteous sinner to make you want to lodge a bullet in your brain.
 
2013-04-07 03:35:14 AM  

FitzShivering: douchebag/hater: I've seen a lot of shiate for the 8 years I've been coming here but this is truly the worse thread I've seen.

All of you anti-conservative/anti-religion farkers really need to take a look in the mirror and see yourselves for the vile hate-fill losers you actually are instead of hiding between the pus-infected rotting facade of 'tolerance' that you pride yourselves with having.

It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.
From this thread to liberal columnists calling Coin Powell a 'house *igger' and claiming that all Republicans secretly want to bring back slavery and strip mine the world it shows that the hatred is from your side not the Right.

I would say that all of you should be ashamed of yourselves but after reading this thread it's obvious that none of you have any shame - only your unfounded smug sense of superiority and self-rightousness.

I have to agree.  I've been on Fark in one form on another for well over a decade.  I've seen people troll; I've seen people say disgusting things, usually to get a rise out of people.  This is one of the few times I've read people and feel I've just seen into a very nasty part of who they are as human beings.  There's just no call for what has been said in this thread, whether Warren is one of the worst human beings (yes, I feel he is; yes, I am an atheist and carry some bias in that extent) or not.


Man.  You guys have terrible memories.  This is tame.
 
2013-04-07 03:35:57 AM  
pkjun I do see things your way. Its just that when the father insisted over the years at calling homosexuality a "mental illness" even though in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association explictly said that it was not a mental illness ....

whether Matthew was gay or not, the father in his own words gave him every kind of therapy and pills money can buy .... everything apparently but being accepting and understanding.
 
2013-04-07 03:42:06 AM  
If Matthew was so mentally ill, how did he get a gun?

/ threadjack
 
2013-04-07 03:46:28 AM  

Kevin72: pkjun I do see things your way. Its just that when the father insisted over the years at calling homosexuality a "mental illness" even though in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association explictly said that it was not a mental illness ....

whether Matthew was gay or not, the father in his own words gave him every kind of therapy and pills money can buy .... everything apparently but being accepting and understanding.


Acceptable and understanding of what?  Do you even know any mentally ill people?
 
2013-04-07 03:46:46 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: FitzShivering: douchebag/hater: I've seen a lot of shiate for the 8 years I've been coming here but this is truly the worse thread I've seen.

All of you anti-conservative/anti-religion farkers really need to take a look in the mirror and see yourselves for the vile hate-fill losers you actually are instead of hiding between the pus-infected rotting facade of 'tolerance' that you pride yourselves with having.

It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.
From this thread to liberal columnists calling Coin Powell a 'house *igger' and claiming that all Republicans secretly want to bring back slavery and strip mine the world it shows that the hatred is from your side not the Right.

I would say that all of you should be ashamed of yourselves but after reading this thread it's obvious that none of you have any shame - only your unfounded smug sense of superiority and self-rightousness.

I have to agree.  I've been on Fark in one form on another for well over a decade.  I've seen people troll; I've seen people say disgusting things, usually to get a rise out of people.  This is one of the few times I've read people and feel I've just seen into a very nasty part of who they are as human beings.  There's just no call for what has been said in this thread, whether Warren is one of the worst human beings (yes, I feel he is; yes, I am an atheist and carry some bias in that extent) or not.

Man.  You guys have terrible memories.  This is tame.


Occam's Razor says that this is the worst thread the internet has ever witnessed.
 
2013-04-07 03:50:30 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: FitzShivering: douchebag/hater: I've seen a lot of shiate for the 8 years I've been coming here but this is truly the worse thread I've seen.

All of you anti-conservative/anti-religion farkers really need to take a look in the mirror and see yourselves for the vile hate-fill losers you actually are instead of hiding between the pus-infected rotting facade of 'tolerance' that you pride yourselves with having.

It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.
From this thread to liberal columnists calling Coin Powell a 'house *igger' and claiming that all Republicans secretly want to bring back slavery and strip mine the world it shows that the hatred is from your side not the Right.

I would say that all of you should be ashamed of yourselves but after reading this thread it's obvious that none of you have any shame - only your unfounded smug sense of superiority and self-rightousness.

I have to agree.  I've been on Fark in one form on another for well over a decade.  I've seen people troll; I've seen people say disgusting things, usually to get a rise out of people.  This is one of the few times I've read people and feel I've just seen into a very nasty part of who they are as human beings.  There's just no call for what has been said in this thread, whether Warren is one of the worst human beings (yes, I feel he is; yes, I am an atheist and carry some bias in that extent) or not.

Man.  You guys have terrible memories.  This is tame.


If by the average vulgarity put in a thread you mean tame, absolutely.   If you been the sheer inhumanity of some of the comments, especially give it isn't from people like AssortedMeasurementsOfTrollBurgers, no, it really isn't.

There's ripping on people because you hate them, and then there is completely making shiat up and celebrating someone's death because it will hurt someone you dislike.  Whatever tameness you see here, the originators of this thread were doing the latter, and that's sick.  The mods have gotten involved for lesser things here.
 
2013-04-07 03:55:12 AM  

FitzShivering: If by the average vulgarity put in a thread you mean tame, absolutely. If you been the sheer inhumanity of some of the comments, especially give it isn't from people like AssortedMeasurementsOfTrollBurgers, no, it really isn't.

There's ripping on people because you hate them, and then there is completely making shiat up and celebrating someone's death because it will hurt someone you dislike. Whatever tameness you see here, the originators of this thread were doing the latter, and that's sick. The mods have gotten involved for lesser things here.


The only thing that baffles me is the complete willingness to simply accept some completely unproven claims with no evidence at all, and from people who I would have thought, in most threads, would biatch about that kind of thing.  It doesn't even make me mad.  It's just weird.
 
2013-04-07 03:56:47 AM  

FitzShivering: Lionel Mandrake: FitzShivering: douchebag/hater: I've seen a lot of shiate for the 8 years I've been coming here but this is truly the worse thread I've seen.

All of you anti-conservative/anti-religion farkers really need to take a look in the mirror and see yourselves for the vile hate-fill losers you actually are instead of hiding between the pus-infected rotting facade of 'tolerance' that you pride yourselves with having.

It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.
From this thread to liberal columnists calling Coin Powell a 'house *igger' and claiming that all Republicans secretly want to bring back slavery and strip mine the world it shows that the hatred is from your side not the Right.

I would say that all of you should be ashamed of yourselves but after reading this thread it's obvious that none of you have any shame - only your unfounded smug sense of superiority and self-rightousness.

I have to agree.  I've been on Fark in one form on another for well over a decade.  I've seen people troll; I've seen people say disgusting things, usually to get a rise out of people.  This is one of the few times I've read people and feel I've just seen into a very nasty part of who they are as human beings.  There's just no call for what has been said in this thread, whether Warren is one of the worst human beings (yes, I feel he is; yes, I am an atheist and carry some bias in that extent) or not.

Man.  You guys have terrible memories.  This is tame.

If by the average vulgarity put in a thread you mean tame, absolutely.   If you been the sheer inhumanity of some of the comments, especially give it isn't from people like AssortedMeasurementsOfTrollBurgers, no, it really isn't.

There's ripping on people because you hate them, and then there is completely making shiat up and celebrating someone's death because it will hurt someone you dislike.  Whatever tameness you see here, the originators of this thread were doing the latter, and that's sick ...


I still say it's tame.  There's a lot of shiatty comments here, but they're against his dad, not him.

Go into a dead celebrity thread and it's Good!...S/he sucked!...Stupid biatch deserved it!!  HA HA! I bet that made a mess!!

And there's no "one side" that's worse.
 
2013-04-07 03:59:57 AM  

Relatively Obscure: FitzShivering: If by the average vulgarity put in a thread you mean tame, absolutely. If you been the sheer inhumanity of some of the comments, especially give it isn't from people like AssortedMeasurementsOfTrollBurgers, no, it really isn't.

There's ripping on people because you hate them, and then there is completely making shiat up and celebrating someone's death because it will hurt someone you dislike. Whatever tameness you see here, the originators of this thread were doing the latter, and that's sick. The mods have gotten involved for lesser things here.

The only thing that baffles me is the complete willingness to simply accept some completely unproven claims with no evidence at all, and from people who I would have thought, in most threads, would biatch about that kind of thing.  It doesn't even make me mad.  It's just weird.


Yes.  Sure it's possible, but it's more likely he got tired of feeling like shiat all day every day, or gave into some paranoid delusion or voices in his head.
 
2013-04-07 04:03:49 AM  

Lsherm: Kevin72: pkjun I do see things your way. Its just that when the father insisted over the years at calling homosexuality a "mental illness" even though in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association explictly said that it was not a mental illness ....

whether Matthew was gay or not, the father in his own words gave him every kind of therapy and pills money can buy .... everything apparently but being accepting and understanding.

Acceptable and understanding of what?  Do you even know any mentally ill people?


No, but we know story after story about how conservative parents abuse gay offspring. Just look for the latest story on FARK just now about the parents in South Carolina who put their 16 year old daughter up for adoption for confiding to her parents that she was gay. Put her up for adoption. Rather than accepting and understanding.
 
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