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2013-04-07 04:03:49 AM

Lsherm: Kevin72: pkjun I do see things your way. Its just that when the father insisted over the years at calling homosexuality a "mental illness" even though in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association explictly said that it was not a mental illness ....

whether Matthew was gay or not, the father in his own words gave him every kind of therapy and pills money can buy .... everything apparently but being accepting and understanding.

Acceptable and understanding of what?  Do you even know any mentally ill people?


No, but we know story after story about how conservative parents abuse gay offspring. Just look for the latest story on FARK just now about the parents in South Carolina who put their 16 year old daughter up for adoption for confiding to her parents that she was gay. Put her up for adoption. Rather than accepting and understanding.
 
2013-04-07 04:17:22 AM
Living with a religion that has you thinking a divine being is judging your every thought and action, that your depression is the result of some kind of sin you committed, and if you don't get better, you don't have enough faith...what a nightmare.
 
2013-04-07 04:40:35 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7686222/83466819#c83466819" target="_blank">cuzsis</a>:</b> <i>

Technically he is correct.

 The marriage equality movement is less to do about being able to get married (which everyone over 18 is legally permitted to do.) and everything to do about being able to specifically marry someone of the same gender because you find them attractive. </i>

Yes, and separate drinking fountains were ok because everyone had access to drinking fountains.

Marriage equality is about two adults being able to enter into a civil contract regardless of their genders and receive the same legal benefits and rights as other couples. This is an issue of equal protection and application and access of the law.
 
2013-04-07 04:52:22 AM
Have they announced whether or not Matthew's longtime roommate Gary will be attending the funeral?
 
2013-04-07 04:52:37 AM
There will be plenty of time and plenty of opportunity to disagree with Rick Warren in your lives. It does not matter who he is and what he stands for right now. He has a wife. He has other children. Matthew had a whole family. You might hate him, but you give that family the bearth to grieve and bury their son. You don't punish an entire family because of your personal grievances about one of them. That is petty.
 
2013-04-07 05:20:22 AM
Another death by Christianity. Nice work, farkwads, your God sucks my dick.
 
2013-04-07 05:31:20 AM
I feel ill.  This thread is the Kristallnacht of Fark.

The odds of an American male being gay are roughly ~3-4%.  The odds of being mentally ill are upwards of 25%.  The gay assumption is as tendentious (subtext: "Christians are awful and deserve ironic punishment") and abysmally stupid as the fundies who reject the fossil record.
 
2013-04-07 05:59:59 AM

Musikslayer: Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor, as it's the most likely scenario.

Nobody should blame Warren for his son's death. What they should blame him for is statements like yours, which infers that someone thinking his son was gay is some kind of insult. It might be ironic, or even prophetic, but it's not an insult. If, somehow, assuming that Warren's son was gay makes him icky, then blame Warren for that. It's very sad to see a young man commit suicide, we had one in my family and it is still painful (it was a straight female) after many years. Hopefully, Warren will be able to do a little soul-seaching, he's a pretty bright guy and moderate on many issues.


Or: the guy was depressed and, unfortunately, took his own life. And happened to have been fathered by someone you hate.

I hope, some day, that you realize what an ass you have been.
 
2013-04-07 06:03:03 AM

cygnusx13: My god, I hope you are trolling.


(Shrug) Rick Warren is a sociopath.  He has to be, in order to do what he does for a living.  It's safe to speculate that he doesn't feel what you or I would feel at the loss of a child, and it's possible to do so without taking away from the greater tragedy of his son's suicide, regardless of what may have driven him to it.
 
2013-04-07 06:05:00 AM

DamnYankees: As much as I would want to blame this on Warren being horrible, the reality is that people often commit suicide for reasons completely independent of how the people who love them treat them. We don't have any reason to think Warren did anything to cause this.


Yep. Unless some reliable info comes in that says otherwise, I agree with this.
 
2013-04-07 06:15:59 AM
Until his boyfriend comes out and tells his side of the story, we can only assume this was a legitimate mental illness
 
2013-04-07 06:34:28 AM

miss diminutive: [i110.photobucket.com image 584x600]

A person took their own life, most likely because they could no longer handle the pain of living. I consider myself to be a pretty calloused and jaded girl, but jeez.

/yeah yeah, welcome to Fark


On the bright side, if you can make it through the thread without vomiting and without your left mouse button breaking, you can find dozens of farkers to ignore in the future.

/even the "bright side" of this is pretty crap
//I've made myself sad
///the rest of this thread has made me sick
 
2013-04-07 06:41:35 AM

Relatively Obscure: Lionel Mandrake: FitzShivering: douchebag/hater: I've seen a lot of shiate for the 8 years I've been coming here but this is truly the worse thread I've seen.

All of you anti-conservative/anti-religion farkers really need to take a look in the mirror and see yourselves for the vile hate-fill losers you actually are instead of hiding between the pus-infected rotting facade of 'tolerance' that you pride yourselves with having.

It's true: the intolerance isn't from the Right; it's from the Left.
From this thread to liberal columnists calling Coin Powell a 'house *igger' and claiming that all Republicans secretly want to bring back slavery and strip mine the world it shows that the hatred is from your side not the Right.

I would say that all of you should be ashamed of yourselves but after reading this thread it's obvious that none of you have any shame - only your unfounded smug sense of superiority and self-rightousness.

I have to agree.  I've been on Fark in one form on another for well over a decade.  I've seen people troll; I've seen people say disgusting things, usually to get a rise out of people.  This is one of the few times I've read people and feel I've just seen into a very nasty part of who they are as human beings.  There's just no call for what has been said in this thread, whether Warren is one of the worst human beings (yes, I feel he is; yes, I am an atheist and carry some bias in that extent) or not.

Man.  You guys have terrible memories.  This is tame.

Occam's Razor says that this is the worst thread the internet has ever witnessed.


At least one of the longest ones.
 
2013-04-07 06:49:52 AM
Looking for serious, upstanding and socially responsible discussion at Fark is like looking for a bride in a whore house.
 
2013-04-07 06:53:06 AM
What kind of heartless bastard "Christian" minister would shame his own gay son to the point of suicide?

/just asking
 
2013-04-07 08:01:14 AM

GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.


The son killed himself, immediately,  after spending time with his parents.
F*ck these religious people and their judgements.
 
2013-04-07 08:22:19 AM
ITT: The left wing has become as reflexively hateful as the right wing has been for the last decade, and right wingers are confounded by it.

Oh, the schadenfreude. I knew the Ted Kennedy death thread would come back to bite wingnuts in the ass.
 
2013-04-07 08:26:14 AM

Planterz: ITT: The left wing has become as reflexively hateful as the right wing has been for the last decade, and right wingers are confounded by it.

Oh, the schadenfreude. I knew the Ted Kennedy death thread would come back to bite wingnuts in the ass.


Uh, Jerry Falwell died two years before Kennedy.  Go ahead and look that thread up for some "exemplary" behavior from the left wing.
 
2013-04-07 08:31:06 AM

Man On Pink Corner: cygnusx13: My god, I hope you are trolling.

(Shrug) Rick Warren is a sociopath.  He has to be, in order to do what he does for a living.  It's safe to speculate that he doesn't feel what you or I would feel at the loss of a child, and it's possible to do so without taking away from the greater tragedy of his son's suicide, regardless of what may have driven him to it.


Be kind. His son was gay and committed suicide after spending time with his parents. This makes him look bad.
 
2013-04-07 08:50:44 AM

Peter von Nostrand: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight


Or maybe, perhaps, he really did have a mental illness? so is trig now gay too?

better trolling than I could do.
 
2013-04-07 08:51:34 AM

douchebag/hater: Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.

His statement is a lie? Only if you want to nit pick.
But then you strick me as the kind of person whose need for exactitude borders on autistic levels.

49% of US citizens pay NO INCOME tax and this is according to the IRS.
Do they pay sales taxes/gas taxes etc? Yeah.
Stop being such a prig.


you stop being such a douchebag. they pay federal payroll taxes on every dollar they make. the rich can't claim that. they pay sales tax for every dollar they spend. and they spend every dollar they make. they can't hide it in an offshore account. they pay a poor tax (higher interest) if they ever need to borrow money. (and that's only if they can borrow it)  and that 49% is a disingenuous number because it includes children,students and old people on social security.  so stop excusing people using misleading numbers to make their point. it's all very devious and not a very accurate portrayal.
 
2013-04-07 08:58:30 AM

Kevin72: Lsherm: Kevin72: pkjun I do see things your way. Its just that when the father insisted over the years at calling homosexuality a "mental illness" even though in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association explictly said that it was not a mental illness ....

whether Matthew was gay or not, the father in his own words gave him every kind of therapy and pills money can buy .... everything apparently but being accepting and understanding.

Acceptable and understanding of what?  Do you even know any mentally ill people?

No, but we know story after story about how conservative parents abuse gay offspring. Just look for the latest story on FARK just now about the parents in South Carolina who put their 16 year old daughter up for adoption for confiding to her parents that she was gay. Put her up for adoption. Rather than accepting and understanding.


Not sure if serious. If so, please go back and read that thread again.
 
2013-04-07 09:46:11 AM
Sad.

Everyone is making an assumption.  Is it true?  Who knows?  One side is not talking and the other side can't.

I will say though I've known my share of preacher's kids of all stripes.  They all live with a feeling they are being scrutinized more that others because of their Daddies.  Some turn into goody two shoes, others become inked,drug addict rebels.  The saddest ones are like this guy.  The one who couldn't choose.

Good thoughts and prayers for all involved.
 
2013-04-07 10:24:28 AM

WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.


WTF Indeed
 
2013-04-07 10:25:48 AM

bugontherug: Rick Warren compares homosexuals to child molesters--and I want to be clear here, I really understated this. He didn't just compare homosexuals to child molesters. He compared them to violent criminals and rapists too. He argued that just as child molesters shouldn't be permitted to marry children, neither should homosexuals be permitted to marry each other:


Wait.  Didn't that biblical infographic above mention that Rapists should marry their victims?  So if he equated homosexuals with rapists, then he should want to gays to marry too (after they pay their dads 10 shekels each)
 
2013-04-07 10:37:23 AM
A few minutes on Google (looking for something besides the announcement text from Warren that everyone's repeating) brings us this- from Kay Warren, the mother, back in 2011, at a Winter Conference among conservative Anglicans:

"'Our daughter had severe auto immune disease, my mother slid mentally into dementia which made me the primary caretaker. On top of all this, our youngest child struggles with bipolar disease and has found it difficult to keep going. We have hung on by a thread of a finger nail,' she told a stunned audience."

...so, no.  Unless some of you have a really advanced version of the Fundie-to-English decoder ring, you might need to get with the idea that karmic retribution does not, in fact, rule the course of events here in the real world.  There's plenty of legitimate reasons to choose from, if you want to get pissed off at any given set of megachurch operators.  Quit making up fictitious ones.

/The estimated population of people with long-term, clinically significant mood disorders in the US is roughly double that of homosexuals
//This message brought to you by your friends at Occam's Razor
 
2013-04-07 10:38:18 AM

jkl65s4: Haven't read all the comments, but it's very possible that he just struggled to fit in. There's a lot of social expectations with Christianity, and if he wasn't "on pace" with the rest of his peers (i.e. go to college after high school, get married by his mid 20s, etc.), it would be very easy to fall into a deep depression. Before I swore off mainstream Christianity (and possibly Christianity altogether), I was in that pit. I was straight, but I never really fit in in high school, didn't date anyone, didn't go off to college, By my mid 20s, not being married and at least moderately successful, I was looked at differently in every church I dared try to attend and it was a major turnoff. I've found some acceptance with the Unitarian Universalists who I feel in many ways are better Christians than mainstream denominations, but even then, it's not a great fit for me.


Judging someone because they lack material success doesn't sound very "Christian" to me.

/ again, I blame the "Prosperity Gospel" for attitudes like that.
// it's started to metastasize within mainstream Christianity, just like a cancer....
 
2013-04-07 10:39:37 AM

randomjsa: Would that be the Chelsea that nobody ever much said anything about until she was in her 20s and the left went absolute apeshait over when they did? As opposed to the left who tried to make a sitcom about the Bush daughters until people spoke out?


By the "left" you mean, of course, the Lamestream media.  I lived in Austin when the Bush girls were there. It would suck to be a president's kid while in college.  The other part of your post, I pretty much agree with.
 
2013-04-07 10:49:56 AM

Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.


Well, it isn't a lie, just inaccurate. While it may be true that roughly half of all Americans pay no income tax, EVERYONE pays taxes in some form or another. However, your comment that a millionaire pastor is tax exempt is completely disingenuous. Are you that stupid? While churches may operate like charities, tax exempt (and rightfully so), I can assure the pastors and staff that work for them, do not.
 
2013-04-07 10:51:06 AM

Relatively Obscure: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

Hoban Washburne: If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ah. So he was gay.

Cup Check: Unfortunately, more than likely this!

Peter von Nostrand: Guy was probably gay.

So... do any of you have any evidence of this, or is this just a weird thing people are going to be doing today?


Thats kind of strange to assume he was gay . I'm quite sure there are a number of mental illnesses other than being gay .
 
2013-04-07 10:59:06 AM
Rick Warren does not take a salary from his church.  He makes his living from his book sales and he "reverse tithes", meaning he donates 90% of his income and lives off of 10%.  He's not particularly right wing that I know of (he's friends with Obama).  He's done a lot of good in the world, particularly fighting aids in Africa.  He's one of the good guys and this is incredibly sad.  (I went to college with his daughter but I didn't know he had a younger son).
 
2013-04-07 11:01:59 AM
Looks like this thread is going to give the Tony Snow one a run for its money.
 
2013-04-07 11:08:50 AM

RottenEggs: Relatively Obscure: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

Hoban Washburne: If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ah. So he was gay.

Cup Check: Unfortunately, more than likely this!

Peter von Nostrand: Guy was probably gay.

So... do any of you have any evidence of this, or is this just a weird thing people are going to be doing today?

Thats kind of strange to assume he was gay . I'm quite sure there are a number of mental illnesses other than being gay .


The article and statement are full of evangelical dogwhistles indicating allusions to a gay child.

And by the way to the haters and white knighters - I never said I was happy about this.  I am sad and angry.  But Rick Warren has said that I deserve all kinds of awful things, including burning in hell for all eternity because of being born gay.  He can fark right off, son or no son.
 
2013-04-07 11:17:10 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: RottenEggs: Relatively Obscure: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

Hoban Washburne: If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ah. So he was gay.

Cup Check: Unfortunately, more than likely this!

Peter von Nostrand: Guy was probably gay.

So... do any of you have any evidence of this, or is this just a weird thing people are going to be doing today?

Thats kind of strange to assume he was gay . I'm quite sure there are a number of mental illnesses other than being gay .

The article and statement are full of evangelical dogwhistles indicating allusions to a gay child.

And by the way to the haters and white knighters - I never said I was happy about this.  I am sad and angry.  But Rick Warren has said that I deserve all kinds of awful things, including burning in hell for all eternity because of being born gay.  He can fark right off, son or no son.



And I concur 100%.

FARK him and people like him.
 
2013-04-07 11:22:10 AM

cameroncrazy1984: chewielouie: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

This. I've read some sick twisted crap on Fark, but this is some is new pathetic low. Wow.

If you don't think "gay" when the "sweet kind son" of a virulently anti-gay millionaire pastor commits suicide then son, you haven't been paying attention.


Most likely. Imagine the pressure that would be on a Rick Warren child to not be gay.

We'll never know, but I wonder if there was an anguished, impassioned note that was quickly inicinerated when discovered...
 
2013-04-07 11:27:54 AM

Flaming Yawn: Most likely. Imagine the pressure that would be on a Rick Warren child to not be gay.

We'll never know, but I wonder if there was an anguished, impassioned note that was quickly inicinerated when discovered...


This thread has been the best example of the term "butthurt" of any thread in which it has been used.
static.giantbomb.com
 
2013-04-07 11:28:05 AM

picturescrazy: GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

From TFA:"In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote to church members.

But go ahead and keep justifying your joy at someone's death because you hate his father.


Could it possibly read more accurately as "In spite of America's best fundamental Christian doctors, meds, bible-believing counselors, and Christian prayers for healing, the torture of having a sexual inclination I find abhorrent never subsided."

I know this isn't the time for him to explain, but: exactly what sort of mental illness? Depression, psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, autism spectrum disorder...?
 
2013-04-07 11:29:05 AM
It has long been put forth that those who are virulently "anti-gay" are actually gay themselves. Would not the opposite also be true? Those here assuming that Rick Warren is pure evil for "homophobia" and insulting him for it are possibly nefandous homophobes themselves.


/Mentally ill/depressions for years but not gay.
//Not according to Fark, though.
///Mental illness=Gay
 
2013-04-07 11:31:44 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The article and statement are full of evangelical dogwhistles indicating allusions to a gay child.

And by the way to the haters and white knighters - I never said I was happy about this.  I am sad and angry.  But Rick Warren has said that I deserve all kinds of awful things, including burning in hell for all eternity because of being born gay.  He can fark right off, son or no son.


Except this isn't about Rick Warren.  This is about Matthew Warren- you know, the guy who actually killed himself.

It's about his long-term fight against an enemy inside head.  It's about the pain he went through having his own emotions turn against him from the inside out.  It's about a lifetime of medications, and side effects, and days spent hating himself for the trouble he put his friends and loved ones through.  And it's about him hitting that One Bad Day, the could-have-been-anything that finally tips the scale for good.

But his pain isn't good enough for some of the people here, because it doesn't hurt his daddy enough.  He needs to have had this other pain over here, instead, because that would make the story all nice and neat.  So let's just pretend that's what really happened, shall we?  Who cares what he actually lived with, or felt, or died over.  This story's better.

Let's all pretend that Matthew's pain was a reflection of your pain.  That makes it all worthwhile.


...that's the problem.
 
2013-04-07 11:33:15 AM
i'm straight, but there is still a 50/50 chance I might blow my brains out today.
 
2013-04-07 11:33:26 AM
This is the guy who asked his followers, including the unemployed ones, for $900k to cover his church costs and ended up with over $2M. So miracles work for money but not much else.

That's about all I got.
 
2013-04-07 11:33:33 AM
Also: Don't you think that if Warren's son were gay, the liberal media would have outed him by now in an attempt to embarrass Warren?
 
2013-04-07 11:34:12 AM

Lsherm: Musikslayer: Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor, as it's the most likely scenario.

That's the stupidest use of Occam's Razor I've ever heard.  The most likely scenario is that he was depressed and killed himself. You people, with no proof whatsoever, are insisting he was gay and his father rejected him.

Occam's Razor, if you bother to apply it correctly, focuses on the solution that requires the fewest assumptions. You people are assuming the son was gay AND that the father treated him like shiat because of it.  That's absurd, stupid, and not a correct application of Occam's Razor at all.


When did I say that his father treated him like shiat??? Never. It is you, amigo, that assumed that. I didn't assume that in any way, shape or form. In fact i did the opposite with my Boobies, I said Warren was a bright guy and moderate on many issues. I've never said one negative word about the guy. You did.

Warren Sr may have been the most loving person in the world if one of his own came out, it wouldn't really surprise me. "You people" are the ones making assumptions here, Do a lil googling: young gay men have a much higher rate of suicide. That's a statistic and not an opinion. It doesn't infer anything about Warren. And now go back to Occam's Razor: If young gays have a higher rate of suicide, it takes "fewer assumptions" and clear statistics to put that at/near the top of the list.

Let's cut to the chase: "You people" perceive it as an insult, so you have to put words in mouths for justification. It's not an insult, it's a terrible situation that effects millions of people. There's no "glee" from the left, it's compassion and empathy. What's coming from "you people" is denial, blame and blatant disregard, because you know damn well how it looks. Out of sheer curiosity, if it comes out that the son was gay, what would be your response? Who will you blame for that one?
 
2013-04-07 11:52:23 AM

Musikslayer: As I said earlier, maybe Warren will do some soul-searching...


I wonder if he'll find one?
 
2013-04-07 11:53:37 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: I wonder if he'll find one?


No. Ginger. Case Closed.
 
2013-04-07 12:02:07 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: RottenEggs: Relatively Obscure: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

Hoban Washburne: If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ah. So he was gay.

Cup Check: Unfortunately, more than likely this!

Peter von Nostrand: Guy was probably gay.

So... do any of you have any evidence of this, or is this just a weird thing people are going to be doing today?

Thats kind of strange to assume he was gay . I'm quite sure there are a number of mental illnesses other than being gay .

The article and statement are full of evangelical dogwhistles indicating allusions to a gay child.

And by the way to the haters and white knighters - I never said I was happy about this.  I am sad and angry.  But Rick Warren has said that I deserve all kinds of awful things, including burning in hell for all eternity because of being born gay.  He can fark right off, son or no son.


That's not real evidence of any sort.

Also, not white knighting the dude, in case that wasn't clear.
 
2013-04-07 12:05:07 PM

Relatively Obscure: white knighting


= not hating on(here, anyway)
 
2013-04-07 12:05:32 PM
So from what I can tell from this thread, Muslim Caliph Rich Warner caught his son being the gay and gave him the AIDS and a depression suicide bullet like Hugo Chavez's on purpose? It was murder?
 
2013-04-07 12:09:53 PM
I find this quote (from Warren's memo to his congregation) most interesting:

"In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote to church members. "

Matthew 17:30, "And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

Luke 17:6, "And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you."

And there are numerous healings in the New Testament.

So, clearly, the problem was that either Warren didn't have the necessary faith in his own god, or maybe his god doesn't do healings any more.

/ I play gospel piano for a number of local churches. Today's sermon at the Baptist church where I played was all about "believe, don't question, don't look for evidence, just believe."

// CSB
 
2013-04-07 12:12:38 PM

Wasteland: Benevolent Misanthrope: The article and statement are full of evangelical dogwhistles indicating allusions to a gay child.

And by the way to the haters and white knighters - I never said I was happy about this.  I am sad and angry.  But Rick Warren has said that I deserve all kinds of awful things, including burning in hell for all eternity because of being born gay.  He can fark right off, son or no son.

Except this isn't about Rick Warren.  This is about Matthew Warren- you know, the guy who actually killed himself.

It's about his long-term fight against an enemy inside head.  It's about the pain he went through having his own emotions turn against him from the inside out.  It's about a lifetime of medications, and side effects, and days spent hating himself for the trouble he put his friends and loved ones through.  And it's about him hitting that One Bad Day, the could-have-been-anything that finally tips the scale for good.

But his pain isn't good enough for some of the people here, because it doesn't hurt his daddy enough.  He needs to have had this other pain over here, instead, because that would make the story all nice and neat.  So let's just pretend that's what really happened, shall we?  Who cares what he actually lived with, or felt, or died over.  This story's better.

Let's all pretend that Matthew's pain was a reflection of your pain.  That makes it all worthwhile.


...that's the problem.


ONE MORE TIME - I'm sorry for the son.  No one deserves a life of misery.

Rick Warren, who wants my sympathy, can fark off.
 
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