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2013-04-07 12:58:49 AM

Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.


The church would be tax exempt but the preacher pays personal taxes at the self-employed rate.  Don't try to correct his lie with a lie of your own.  Warren is a jackass but if your going to insult him, get it right.
 
2013-04-07 01:00:20 AM
Poor Kid.  Hope he's found peace.   As much as I don't like mega churches, and social conservatives, much sympathy to the Warren's, as a parent, I can imagine the grief and guilt they must be feeling.
 
2013-04-07 01:00:43 AM

thorthor: thenumber5: while being no  Rick Warren fan

it has been know for while his son suffered from extreme depression, this has nothing to do with some BS about him being shamed for being gay or anything like that

This. Suicide is a sad conclusion no matter what the circumstances. Don't let your hate for an asshole diminish the fact that a troubled young man took his life, no matter what the reason. Try to be human, just for a second or two.


Rick Warren has never tried to be human, even for a second or two. He has repeated the same anti-gay crap which contributed to the persecution, suffering, and suicide of innumerable homosexuals.1 He has, for example, categorized them with child molesters and argued that they should be treated similarly to them.

With any luck, whether or not his son was gay, this incident will give him pause to reflect on the evil he has vomited into the world from his pulpit. Is it okay to defame people based on their sexual orientation  when doing so contributes to an atmosphere so belligerent that it drives many of them to suicide? How many parents have experienced the same grief I feel today because of the anti-gay attitudes I've so long endorsed?

With any luck he'll think thoughts like that, and grow as person for it. But I doubt it.

1Note to evangelicals: homosexuals have actually been persecuted in America.
 
2013-04-07 01:02:55 AM

Peter von Nostrand: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight


so full of bile you guys can barely think straight anymore.
 
2013-04-07 01:02:56 AM

soaboutthat: Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.

The church would be tax exempt but the preacher pays personal taxes at the self-employed rate.  Don't try to correct his lie with a lie of your own.  Warren is a jackass but if your going to insult him, get it right.


Anyone who controls a multi-million-dollar organization that operates tax free, and who doesn't keep all assets in the organization's name while drawing only a modest salary in his own name is missing the whole point.

This is the church's yacht! This trip to Rome is a church trip!

Not saying that's what he's doing, but if he's not doing it he's wasting a hell of an opportunity, and he's the laughing stock of the country club.
 
2013-04-07 01:03:32 AM
This is the dumbest comments thread I've ever read. And I've been around for a while.
 
2013-04-07 01:04:11 AM

clipperbox: depression sucks. sucks for the family all around. but don't these kind of people also believe that suicides are tormented in hell forever?


no, in fact the guy publicly questioned that just last year.
 
2013-04-07 01:04:15 AM

chapman: Holy crap, you are totally going to blow the mind of your freshman philosophy/polysci prof with that solid gold material.  PS.  If you are accused of being an idiot responding with stupid blog material.  Don't respond with shiatty blog material.


There's video of him saying those words.

Keep white-knighting assholes on your own time.

/buh-bye
 
2013-04-07 01:04:16 AM

lostcat: Gyrfalcon: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Is there some reason you feel the need to insult his son, though?

I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone here is insulting the son and celebrating his death.


Everyone here is speculating on his sexuality and assuming he killed himself because daddy hated him for being gay. Is there some reason you can't let the poor kid just die a depressed death because he was depressed, without tabloid presumptions about his personal life?
 
2013-04-07 01:04:48 AM

Animatronik: I have to say that, even for Fark, this thread is unbelievably shiatty, starting with the headline.

The is nothing in the media about this guy being gay, and he was 27 yrs old.

Unless you have inside knowledge on this guys mental state please stfu.


Matthew contacted me telepathically from the other side. Totally closeted to "spare his family" in physical life, he now wants it known from heaven that there was never anything wrong for a male to love his fellow earthling males.
 
2013-04-07 01:04:54 AM
Has anyone brought up the fact that a severely depressed, mentally ill person was allowed to purchaes or somehow got a gun?

Thank Jeebus for that Second Amendment!
 
2013-04-07 01:04:58 AM
All y'all who obviously knew the young man just stood by and let him kill himself. I mean, you diagnosed his condition so accurately you must have known him
 
2013-04-07 01:05:06 AM

picturescrazy: picturescrazy: iq_in_binary: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.

Rick Warren and his wife failed in so many places, in so many ways, that the only thing there is to do in a healthy society when something like this happens is to make example of people whose failures led to the death of member of it. You mock them. You shame them and punish them. Especially when one of those parents is a public figure who makes his living preying on people's need to belong to something greater than themselves and using cult leader tactics to do it. He terrorizes a minority of people and uses  members of his cult to ostracize and torture children.

Two possibilities: Rick Warren, a millionaire and a man who is extremely susceptible to public opinion, did not have the resources to get his son the treatment he needed; or he did and despite proper treatment his son still committed suicide. That tends to lend a whole hell of a lot of credence to the idea that his son was a member of the very minority Warren abuses in the media daily.

Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.

Based on your post, I'm going to assume that you know absolutely nothing about mental health.

Or you were being sarcastic and I didn't catch it. Of so, I apologize.


Trolling religious people. They deserve it and I'm bored :p
 
2013-04-07 01:07:13 AM

utharda: Poor Kid.  Hope he's found peace.   As much as I don't like mega churches, and social conservatives, much sympathy to the Warren's, as a parent, I can imagine the grief and guilt they must be feeling.


I'm not so sure about that.

If it is revealed that his son was gay, I have ZERO sympathy for the parents.

I lost a good friend who killed himself because of the rejection of is family that he was gay. When the surviving friends contacted his mother, she wanted nothing of him and hung up the phone.

How Christian of her.
 
2013-04-07 01:07:20 AM

Gyrfalcon: lostcat: Gyrfalcon: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Is there some reason you feel the need to insult his son, though?

I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone here is insulting the son and celebrating his death.

Everyone here is speculating on his sexuality and assuming he killed himself because daddy hated him for being gay. Is there some reason you can't let the poor kid just die a depressed death because he was depressed, without tabloid presumptions about his personal life?


Then what the fark was the point of submitting this to Fark and having it green lit?

Were people supposed to come into the comments and say, "Gosh. So sad."?

This is still Fark.com right? I didn't accidentally come to the Lifetime Channel discussion forum?
 
2013-04-07 01:07:31 AM
I really am glad so few farkers have had to deal with suicide or a parents experiencing the death of their child. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Not even a disgusting beast like Rick Warren.
 
2013-04-07 01:07:56 AM

soaboutthat: Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.

The church would be tax exempt but the preacher pays personal taxes at the self-employed rate.  Don't try to correct his lie with a lie of your own.  Warren is a jackass but if your going to insult him, get it right.


and his home, Car, wardrobe and all "living Expensive's" are paid out of the Church account

his salary is basically his pocket money
 
2013-04-07 01:08:06 AM
lohphat: That Marriage= graphic is seriously interesting!
 
2013-04-07 01:08:14 AM
i658.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-07 01:08:28 AM
You know who digs Rick Warren?

Melissa Etheridge.

True story.

Anyway, I've read all I can find about Rick Warren but can't find him calling homosexuality a mental disorder. I've seen him halfheartedly regurgitate church talking points, but nothing too outrageous for a religion-talking-dude. My gut tells me he doesn't really give a rip, but has to toe the line.
 
2013-04-07 01:08:42 AM

Kevin72: violentsalvation: I don't really see the point in jumping to conclusions. Rick Warren would be a sucky father if you were straight, if you were his gay son life would truly be hell on earth. But more often than not mental illness means mental illness. You all could end up being right, but for now you're simply standing on a young man's grave to throw shiat on his father.

If you are Rick Warren, homosexuality is a mental illness. If you are the American Psychiatric Association, homosexuality has not been a mental illness since 1973.


I know that, and you could be entirely right about what drove the kid to kill himself. But there are real mental illnesses out there too, and you're assuming homosexuality is the only "mental illness" his faith acknowledges.
 
2013-04-07 01:08:51 AM

RedPhoenix122: TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

Pattern recognition Projection.


FTFY
 
2013-04-07 01:09:06 AM

iq_in_binary: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.


[mucha delenda]

Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.


Actually, mental illness is a motherfarker, and the laws place limits on what parents can do for (or to) a 27-year-old son.  This could happen if Pastor Rick was the kindest parent imaginable to a son whose orientation he approved of.
 
2013-04-07 01:09:37 AM

TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.


^ THIS ^

Admittedly, I know nothing of "Pastor Warren" or his "message", but I DO see many hate-filled people jumping in to attack this guy - who just lost his son - as a pathetically low-brow tool to serve their POLITICAL AGENDA.

Is there any reason to believe that the guy was gay?

Tell you what, according to TFA, the guy WAS depressed, AND was taking "meds", and you MAY have noticed the black box warnings that appear on virtually ALL antidepressants regarding SUICIDAL TENDENCIES?

But no, leverage this as a political tool.

Way to win friends an influence people. It's almost like you're on a mission of self sabotage.

You want "tolerance and compassion"? SHOW SOME.

/Dingbats
 
2013-04-07 01:09:38 AM
This thread may end up containing a demonstration of every logical fallacy in existence.
 
2013-04-07 01:10:49 AM

MaestroJ: I really am glad so few farkers have had to deal with suicide or a parents experiencing the death of their child. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Not even a disgusting beast like Rick Warren.


I went back and reread some of the early posts and still don't see anyone saying, "Good, I'm glad the kid killed himself, that'll stick it to Warren!"

I see people speculating that the kid's depression was caused by repressed homosexuality.

Again, I don't think anyone here is HAPPY that the kid committed suicide. There really seems to be that impression among some of the comments.
 
2013-04-07 01:11:11 AM
I don't have any reason to suspect that his son was gay, unless you guys know something more than I do.  People commit suicide for a myriad of reasons and I don't have any idea why this guy did it.

Were subsequent revelations to reveal that his son was gay and was shamed into keeping it a secret, ultimately leading to his suicide.  My opinion of the family changes.

I hate religion as much as the next guy, but losing a child has to hurt.  Especially if you were trying to help.  I don't know what happened, but so far as I know I'm sorry for everyone all around.
 
2013-04-07 01:11:24 AM

TheXerox: Musikslayer: TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah.  So he was gay.  Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk


What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor, as it's the most likely scenario.

Nobody should blame Warren for his son's death. What they should blame him for is statements like yours, which infers that someone thinking his son was gay is some kind of insult. It might be ironic, or even prophetic, but it's not an insult. If, somehow, assuming that Warren's son was gay makes him icky, then blame Warren for that. It's very sad to see a young man commit suicide, we had one in my family and it is still painful (it was a straight female) after many years. Hopefully, Warren will be able to do a little soul-seaching, he's a pretty bright guy and moderate on many issues.

My statement was not at all inferring that such thoughts was an insult. From the very start of this thread it has been assumed ...




Actually, yes, that behavior from the family can be reconciled with the son being gay. The depression could have been a result of him being told his (possibly) gay nature was unnatural, a sin, an illness, etc. etc. people in his position have consistently gone along with the program just to avoid punishment or having to stay in whatever anti-gay program they were in. Being taught to loath what you are inside can lead to all kinds of mental issues, and while the person may seem functioning decently on the outside (working in the family church, spending time with the family amicably), something inside is breaking and they can, and have, committed suicide based largely on having had to play a charade for so long (appearing to be straight when in their heart they are gay, or other applicable scenarios).

That's kind of why acceptance by the majority of the population has been a big reason suicide rates of gay youths has actually been declining (albeit by not nearly enough, as LGBT youths are still at the highest risk for suicide than pretty much any other demographic, and invariably because of how they are constantly told they are an aberration, evil, making a 'choice' and can easily be straight if they just really prayed or tried hard enough, etc. etc. etc.).

Yes, it is also very possible that the son was just disturbed in the normal mental illness way, but it is equally as possible that he was gay and killed himself in a bout of depression stemming from his family's treatment towards him and/or their attempts to change who he was.
 
2013-04-07 01:11:30 AM
More people want to shove a son's suicide into a father's face than mourn a life lost.

Oh wait. That's right. Suicide doesn't count. Don't mourn suicides, that's celebrating weakness. Gotcha.

Was that reddit guy gay?

Only gay people suffer from depression. Oh and bipolar and schizophrenia are just gay tendencies too. Any negative thing that comes from a religious household is from some gay source being tormented inside the family.

For a second there, I thought life was complicated.

But we're all destined for death anyway. Once, when your cells stop regenerating and your brain stops working. And second when a person says your name out loud for the last time.
 
2013-04-07 01:11:49 AM

lostcat: Gyrfalcon: lostcat: Gyrfalcon: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Is there some reason you feel the need to insult his son, though?

I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone here is insulting the son and celebrating his death.

Everyone here is speculating on his sexuality and assuming he killed himself because daddy hated him for being gay. Is there some reason you can't let the poor kid just die a depressed death because he was depressed, without tabloid presumptions about his personal life?

Then what the fark was the point of submitting this to Fark and having it green lit?

Were people supposed to come into the comments and say, "Gosh. So sad."?

This is still Fark.com right? I didn't accidentally come to the Lifetime Channel discussion forum?


You could pile venom on Rick Warren without having to project your personal sex fantasies on a dead man, howabout that?
 
2013-04-07 01:11:57 AM

cameroncrazy1984: If you don't think "gay" when the "sweet kind son" of a virulently anti-gay millionaire pastor commits suicide then son, you haven't been paying attention.


When the child of a rich family commits suicide, I think drug problem, or mental health issues that the family kept papering over.

Gay? Nah, with enough money it's soooo easy to enjoy the cock and your family never knows. Heck, even married guys manage it.

/or so I've heard
 
2013-04-07 01:12:28 AM

lostcat: soaboutthat: Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.

The church would be tax exempt but the preacher pays personal taxes at the self-employed rate.  Don't try to correct his lie with a lie of your own.  Warren is a jackass but if your going to insult him, get it right.

Anyone who controls a multi-million-dollar organization that operates tax free, and who doesn't keep all assets in the organization's name while drawing only a modest salary in his own name is missing the whole point.

This is the church's yacht! This trip to Rome is a church trip!

Not saying that's what he's doing, but if he's not doing it he's wasting a hell of an opportunity, and he's the laughing stock of the country club.


I hate to defend Warren, but from what I've read he was a modest man (well at least modest by what he could have been).  Now people like Pat Robertson whose house looks like the a university hall and his "retreat home" is over 10,000 sqaure ft that different.  But Warren for all the evil he is, seems to be pretty modest.
 
2013-04-07 01:14:51 AM
i110.photobucket.com

A person took their own life, most likely because they could no longer handle the pain of living. I consider myself to be a pretty calloused and jaded girl, but jeez.

/yeah yeah, welcome to Fark
 
2013-04-07 01:15:33 AM

Amos Quito: Admittedly, I know nothing of "Pastor Warren" or his "message", but I DO see many hate-filled people jumping in to attack this guy - who just lost his son - as a pathetically low-brow tool to serve their POLITICAL AGENDA.


David Duke's son commits suicide. Many blacks attack David Duke. You:

"Admittedly, I know nothing of 'David Duke' or his 'message,' but I DO see many hate-filled people jumping in to attack this guy - who just lost his son - as a pathetically low-brow tool to serve their POLITICAL AGENDA."

Though I admit it's not a perfect comparison: David Duke was much less influential in American life than Pastor Warren has been, so really Mr. Duke was responsible for less racism than has Pastor Warren for hatred of homosexuals.
 
2013-04-07 01:16:22 AM
Rick Warren is into traditional Christianity.

Suicide is a major sin. His son won't be going to heaven and there is no sense praying for him because Satan owns him now.

Is he going to bury his son at a crossroads with a wooden stake through his heart?

I bet he gets cremated to avoid the whole issue of finagling a Christian burial for him.
 
2013-04-07 01:16:47 AM
I'm going to bed now.

/CSB
 
2013-04-07 01:17:04 AM
Judging, judging, judging.  What amusing arrogance.

Based on nothing we know about the dead man's upbringing, lifestyle, history.....

Christians and atheists.  What's the difference?

Degrees of pigheadedness?
 
2013-04-07 01:17:45 AM

RenownedCurator: This thread may end up containing a demonstration of every logical fallacy in existence.


Your not setting the bar very high for a thread concerning religion. A religious apologist can do that in a single post.
 
2013-04-07 01:20:39 AM
Strongbeerrules:
Christians and atheists.  What's the difference?

One group uses logic, reason, empirical evidence, and science to support their beliefs, and the other prefers the comfortable illusions dreamed up by illiterate bronze age goat herders?

One group is responsible for 99% of the bigotry and misogyny on a global scale for the last few thousand years?
 
2013-04-07 01:20:46 AM

thenumber5: soaboutthat: Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.

The church would be tax exempt but the preacher pays personal taxes at the self-employed rate.  Don't try to correct his lie with a lie of your own.  Warren is a jackass but if your going to insult him, get it right.

and his home, Car, wardrobe and all "living Expensive's" are paid out of the Church account

his salary is basically his pocket money


please, his book money was his money, he doesn't give a damn about his salary.  He found a way to fleece the rubes and still get paid.

Look, my point was less about Warren but more about the whole pastor's don't pay taxes bs.  At mega churches, there are ways around it, but most of your smaller churches don't have funds to provide lavish lifestyles for their ministers.  And ministers do pay taxes, though I think if they preach politics from the pulpit that needs to be look at.
 
2013-04-07 01:21:10 AM

Kali-Yuga: RenownedCurator: This thread may end up containing a demonstration of every logical fallacy in existence.

Your not setting the bar very high for a thread concerning religion. A religious apologist can do that in a single post.


Well, it looks like the people who are bound and determined to prove that Warren's son was gay and killed himself due to family rejection are going to give the religious apologists a run for their money. Sure, it could turn out he was gay, but I have a feeling that if the next story was all about the grieving wife and children he left behind, the response would be "SEE? HE WAS LIVING A LIE! HIS FAMILY TORTURED HIM INTO PRETENDING HE WAS STRAIGHT!"
 
2013-04-07 01:22:11 AM

miss diminutive: [i110.photobucket.com image 584x600]

A person took their own life, most likely because they could no longer handle the pain of living. I consider myself to be a pretty calloused and jaded girl, but jeez.

/yeah yeah, welcome to Fark


You wouldn't react so negatively to Jewish persons (or anyone else) evincing no sympathy for a grieving neo-Nazi leader. You'd say "someone who sh*ts this kind of evil into the world has no legitimate complaint when the targets of his attacks don't wish him deep condolences."

That is the appropriate response to Rick Warren's grief, too.
 
2013-04-07 01:22:41 AM

chapman: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Spoken like someone who knows farkalll about Rick Warren other than what them blawgs told them to think.


I live near Saddleback and come into daily contact with people who work or volunteer there, and the majority are open supporters of marriage equality.  The congregations at Saddleback are so large they're really a mixed bag of people in attendance and from what I know Warren doesn't touch controversial topics in his sermons.  My guess is that either the church and Warren himself are progressing or Warren comes off really stupid at times when he doesn't have help to express himself.
 
2013-04-07 01:23:44 AM
It gets better.

But if it doesn't, we are gonna have a HOOT of a thread!
 
2013-04-07 01:23:49 AM

RenownedCurator: Kali-Yuga: RenownedCurator: This thread may end up containing a demonstration of every logical fallacy in existence.

Your not setting the bar very high for a thread concerning religion. A religious apologist can do that in a single post.

Well, it looks like the people who are bound and determined to prove that Warren's son was gay and killed himself due to family rejection are going to give the religious apologists a run for their money. Sure, it could turn out he was gay, but I have a feeling that if the next story was all about the grieving wife and children he left behind, the response would be "SEE? HE WAS LIVING A LIE! HIS FAMILY TORTURED HIM INTO PRETENDING HE WAS STRAIGHT!"


At least his rich, white family will get enough to eat tonight, and a warm bed to sleep in - more than a lot of far more moral, Godly, and decent third world brown-asses will get.
F**k 'em.
 
2013-04-07 01:23:50 AM

msupf: Actually, yes, that behavior from the family can be reconciled with the son being gay. The depression could have been a result of him being told his (possibly) gay nature was unnatural, a sin, an illness, etc. etc. people in his position have consistently gone along with the program just to avoid punishment or having to stay in whatever anti-gay program they were in. Being taught to loath what you are inside can lead to all kinds of mental issues, and while the person may seem functioning decently on the outside (working in the family church, spending time with the family amicably), something inside is breaking and they can, and have, committed suicide based largely on having had to play a charade for so long (appearing to be straight when in their heart they are gay, or other applicable scenarios).

That's kind of why acceptance by the majority of the population has been a big reason suicide rates of gay youths has actually been declining (albeit by not nearly enough, as LGBT youths are still at the highest risk for suicide than pretty much any other demographic, and invariably because of how they are constantly told they are an aberration, evil, making a 'choice' and can easily be straight if they just really prayed or tried hard enough, etc. etc. etc.).

Yes, it is also very possible that the son was just disturbed in the normal mental illness way, but it is equally as possible that he was gay and killed himself in a bout of depression stemming from his family's treatment towards him and/or their attempts to change who he was.



Way to miss the point. You still have yet to offer up a shred of proof that the poor guy's depression was about him being gay. Until we hear one way or the other, anything which posits that he was gay is uninformed speculation at best. Even then, you don't suppose there might be other unknown reasons for someone with depression (regardless of who their parents are) to kill themself?
 
2013-04-07 01:23:58 AM

piglet: Occam's razor? Is that karma?

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Heh ; )
 
2013-04-07 01:24:50 AM
RIP sweet boy. May you find the peace and calm this life denied you.
 
2013-04-07 01:25:29 AM

lohphat: utharda: Poor Kid.  Hope he's found peace.   As much as I don't like mega churches, and social conservatives, much sympathy to the Warren's, as a parent, I can imagine the grief and guilt they must be feeling.

I'm not so sure about that.

If it is revealed that his son was gay, I have ZERO sympathy for the parents.

I lost a good friend who killed himself because of the rejection of is family that he was gay. When the surviving friends contacted his mother, she wanted nothing of him and hung up the phone.

How Christian of her.


And what if Rick Warren's son was gay, but he killed himself for entirely different reasons?

I get why so many Farkers desperately want this kid to have been gay: another chance to grab the pitchforks and go after religious people. But as this poster shows, you don't actually have to go out of your way to make things up about homosexual persecution: it happens all the time, but so do mental illnesses. It's not like being heterosexual shields you from depression or any other mental illness that might make life unbearable.

Sorry for the loss of your friend.
 
2013-04-07 01:26:47 AM

RedPhoenix122: TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

Pattern recognition.


Look...the article says he had a mental illness.  It doesn't specify.  It says he suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts.  Anyone who knows that depression is a real thing and not merely the result of needing to cheer up, knows that suicidal thoughts can go along with it.

Look.  Maybe he was gay.  I don't know.  But neither does anyone else on this thread.

And Rick Warren is hardly a monster.  Maybe you don't agree with his views, maybe you think he's a horrible person for not supporting gay marriage.  I mean, gee whiz, he sounds like he's literally Hitler!  That being said, the man just lost his son.  Lay off, for decency's sake.

/not that any decent people visit Fark.
 
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