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2013-04-07 12:35:41 AM  

Kevin72: He wasn't mentally ill. He was gay.


And to prove it, I submit the following evidence:
 
2013-04-07 12:35:54 AM  

GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.


From TFA:"In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote to church members.

But go ahead and keep justifying your joy at someone's death because you hate his father.
 
2013-04-07 12:37:02 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

No, it doesn't.  Where the fark did people learn about Occam's Razor?


The logic follows.  He would hide any actual mental illness in his family since it would be embarrassing.  Only homosexuality would actually be a harmful mental illness to label someone with to someone like Warren.  And following that, if I was gay and had a father like Warren, I would be suicidal too.
 
2013-04-07 12:37:52 AM  

Relatively Obscure: lostcat: Relatively Obscure: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

So, wait... this dude says dickish and shiatty things about gay people and others, so the universe makes his son supposedly gay, makes his son suffer from depression, and makes his son kill himself to teach dad a lesson?

Man, you guys are waaaayyyy over-thinking this.

Sorry, I don't get the karma deal is all.


1. Millionaire preacher tells the world that homosexuality is a mental disorder and that homosexuals need to get help to live healthy lives in the eyes of God.
2. Son of said preacher, kills himself (tragically) and the preacher's statement indicates that his son struggled with a mental disorder.
3. Story get's greenlit on Fark, where people have a tendency to:
      a.   Jump to conclusions based on what would make the story most interesting/ironic/humorous/etc.
      b.   Overlook the tragedy in a story to get to the interesting/ironic/humorous bit.

I don't see why this should be any different.
 
2013-04-07 12:37:55 AM  

WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Okay. Just making sure you know how sad and pathetic that is.


Shameful and pathetic is campaigning against the equality of other Americans to be treated equally under the law and not being shamed for who they are while making their lives miserable. All while hiding behind the bible.

I would feel the same if Fred Phelps were the object of discussion.
 
2013-04-07 12:38:06 AM  

picturescrazy: GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

From TFA:"In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote to church members.

But go ahead and keep justifying your joy at someone's death because you hate his father.


Because Warren thinks you can pray or "cure" the gay.  So of course he would say the mental illness never went away.
 
2013-04-07 12:38:37 AM  

GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.


RTFA

In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote to church members. "Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life."

Someone can have the support in the world, with access to the best metnal health care that exists, but not everyone can be "Fix" and when faced with..what ever his trigger event was... they let go of the last tread holding them to this world
 
2013-04-07 12:39:31 AM  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

No, it doesn't.  Where the fark did people learn about Occam's Razor?

The logic follows.  He would hide any actual mental illness in his family since it would be embarrassing.  Only homosexuality would actually be a harmful mental illness to label someone with to someone like Warren.  And following that, if I was gay and had a father like Warren, I would be suicidal too.


If that's what you want to think, I guess that's what you want to think.  Hell, it could even be true despite the complete lack of evidence presented so far.  That's not what "Occam's Razor says," though.
 
2013-04-07 12:40:28 AM  

lostcat: Relatively Obscure: lostcat: Relatively Obscure: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

So, wait... this dude says dickish and shiatty things about gay people and others, so the universe makes his son supposedly gay, makes his son suffer from depression, and makes his son kill himself to teach dad a lesson?

Man, you guys are waaaayyyy over-thinking this.

Sorry, I don't get the karma deal is all.

1. Millionaire preacher tells the world that homosexuality is a mental disorder and that homosexuals need to get help to live healthy lives in the eyes of God.
2. Son of said preacher, kills himself (tragically) and the preacher's statement indicates that his son struggled with a mental disorder.
3. Story get's greenlit on Fark, where people have a tendency to:
      a.   Jump to conclusions based on what would make the story most interesting/ironic/humorous/etc.
      b.   Overlook the tragedy in a story to get to the interesting/ironic/humorous bit.

I don't see why this should be any different.


Ah, misunderstood you, then.  My bad.
 
2013-04-07 12:40:59 AM  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

No, it doesn't.  Where the fark did people learn about Occam's Razor?

The logic follows.  He would hide any actual mental illness in his family since it would be embarrassing.  Only homosexuality would actually be a harmful mental illness to label someone with to someone like Warren.  And following that, if I was gay and had a father like Warren, I would be suicidal too.


What would he have written if his son had suffered from a combination of NON-BEING-GAY mental disorders? Would he have listed them out, or just wrote "suffered from mental illness?" Because I'm gonna have to say Occam's Razor suggests the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you think it does.
 
2013-04-07 12:41:00 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

No, it doesn't.  Where the fark did people learn about Occam's Razor?

The logic follows.  He would hide any actual mental illness in his family since it would be embarrassing.  Only homosexuality would actually be a harmful mental illness to label someone with to someone like Warren.  And following that, if I was gay and had a father like Warren, I would be suicidal too.

If that's what you want to think, I guess that's what you want to think.  Hell, it could even be true despite the complete lack of evidence presented so far.  That's not what "Occam's Razor says," though.


ya, "Occams Razor" is the Kid was deeply depressed and couldn't face life any more
 
2013-04-07 12:41:16 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.


Spoken like someone who knows farkalll about Rick Warren other than what them blawgs told them to think.
 
2013-04-07 12:42:13 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.


Yes, Yes, it is. The 21st Century version of it being "The simplest answer is often the correct one". It's the simplest explanation of all.
 
2013-04-07 12:43:23 AM  

Musikslayer: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Yes, Yes, it is. The 21st Century version of it being "The simplest answer is often the correct one". It's the simplest explanation of all.


Even when you use the wrong definition, it still isn't, no.
 
2013-04-07 12:43:50 AM  
Occam's Razor is the idea that the most simple explanation for any event is most often the correct explanation.

This is more Carson's Razor, in which the most entertaining cause of an event is the one that is put forward, correct or not.
 
2013-04-07 12:44:14 AM  
 
2013-04-07 12:44:15 AM  

Bisu: Hobodeluxe: Bisu: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?

karma isn't a religion

The way he put it it is. Or should I say, "belief system?" Would that make you feel better? They're both beliefs in things based on faith/superstition instead of empirical evidence.


I dunno about that. I think you could produce some evidence that if you're an asshole and do bad things to others then chances are you'll suffer for it

unless you're filthy rich.
 
2013-04-07 12:45:58 AM  
I don't really see the point in jumping to conclusions. Rick Warren would be a sucky father if you were straight, if you were his gay son life would truly be hell on earth. But more often than not mental illness means mental illness. You all could end up being right, but for now you're simply standing on a young man's grave to throw shiat on his father.
 
2013-04-07 12:46:01 AM  

lohphat: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Okay. Just making sure you know how sad and pathetic that is.

Shameful and pathetic is campaigning against the equality of other Americans to be treated equally under the law and not being shamed for who they are while making their lives miserable.


Ummm...if you're talking about marriage, then they are. Everyone can legally be married to one person of the opposite gender. Straight people can. Gay people can. Equal rights.  You must wrongly be assuming legal marriage has something to do with sexual attraction to your spouse?
 
2013-04-07 12:46:23 AM  
Count me in as one of the people who thinks that this kid's family life was directly related to his mental illness and suicide.
 
2013-04-07 12:47:41 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.


Is there some reason you feel the need to insult his son, though?
 
2013-04-07 12:48:33 AM  
Maybe his son loved tax increases, and Rick Warren made him stay in the closet and pray to bloody statues of Grover Norquist until he just couldn't take it anymore.
 
2013-04-07 12:48:52 AM  
Occam's razor? Is that karma?

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-07 12:48:56 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Kevin72: The son was gay and the parents trashed him about it until he couldn't take the hurt any more.

Seriously, are you guys getting this information from somewhere I can access?  Has it been widely documented that his son was gay and I just haven't been reading the right articles or something?


His father defined homosexuality as a mental illness. It conveniently allowed his father to call Matthew mentally ill and give him "conversion therapy" rather than man up to having a gay son.
 
2013-04-07 12:48:56 AM  

Bisu: Hobodeluxe: Bisu: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?

karma isn't a religion

The way he put it it is. Or should I say, "belief system?" Would that make you feel better? They're both beliefs in things based on faith/superstition instead of empirical evidence.


Do you ever get that feeling like your actions are being watched and judged, even when nobody is around to see you?
Do you ever feel that people who doing evil will somehow be punished in the end, while people who do good will someday receive a reward?

Both of these are psychological phenomena -- the way our brains work -- and both are believed to be responsible for our acceptance of religious teachings that there is one or more divine entity watching over us at all times, and that paradise or damnation are real ends to our existence.
 
2013-04-07 12:50:54 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.


Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.

Rick Warren and his wife failed in so many places, in so many ways, that the only thing there is to do in a healthy society when something like this happens is to make example of people whose failures led to the death of member of it. You mock them. You shame them and punish them. Especially when one of those parents is a public figure who makes his living preying on people's need to belong to something greater than themselves and using cult leader tactics to do it. He terrorizes a minority of people and uses  members of his cult to ostracize and torture children.

Two possibilities: Rick Warren, a millionaire and a man who is extremely susceptible to public opinion, did not have the resources to get his son the treatment he needed; or he did and despite proper treatment his son still committed suicide. That tends to lend a whole hell of a lot of credence to the idea that his son was a member of the very minority Warren abuses in the media daily.

Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.
 
2013-04-07 12:51:15 AM  
 
2013-04-07 12:51:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.

What does that even mean?

It means Rick Warren has offended me many, MANY times over the years, through is preaching and indoctrinating the servile f*ckwits who fill his pews.  I feel no qualms - not one - about insulting him.

Is there some reason you feel the need to insult his son, though?


I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone here is insulting the son and celebrating his death.
 
2013-04-07 12:51:39 AM  

Kevin72: Relatively Obscure: Kevin72: The son was gay and the parents trashed him about it until he couldn't take the hurt any more.

Seriously, are you guys getting this information from somewhere I can access?  Has it been widely documented that his son was gay and I just haven't been reading the right articles or something?

His father defined homosexuality as a mental illness. It conveniently allowed his father to call Matthew mentally ill and give him "conversion therapy" rather than man up to having a gay son.


I know the basics of what his father thought about homosexuality.  That isn't evidence that his son was homosexual.  Maybe he was, but I've no evidence of it.  I'm betting his father said a lot of other things were mental illnesses, too, and I can't really assume those apply to his son automatically, either.
 
2013-04-07 12:51:46 AM  

Kevin72: Relatively Obscure: Kevin72: The son was gay and the parents trashed him about it until he couldn't take the hurt any more.

Seriously, are you guys getting this information from somewhere I can access?  Has it been widely documented that his son was gay and I just haven't been reading the right articles or something?

His father defined homosexuality as a mental illness. It conveniently allowed his father to call Matthew mentally ill and give him "conversion therapy" rather than man up to having a gay son.


your not helping Gay Rights and Mental Health awareness...

Frankly your hurting it...

///not singling you out, you are now the "Avatar" for all who are championing this line of logic
 
2013-04-07 12:52:17 AM  
Anybody up for a literal reading of the Book of Job?
 
2013-04-07 12:53:07 AM  
Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.

Bwhahahahahahahhahaha *gasp* hahahhaahha.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:23 AM  
I have to say that, even for Fark, this thread is unbelievably shiatty, starting with the headline.

The is nothing in the media about this guy being gay, and he was 27 yrs old.

Unless you have inside knowledge on this guys mental state please stfu.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:31 AM  

GAT_00: picturescrazy: GAT_00: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.

From TFA:"In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote to church members.

But go ahead and keep justifying your joy at someone's death because you hate his father.

Because Warren thinks you can pray or "cure" the gay.  So of course he would say the mental illness never went away.


That statement doesn't even make sense, you twit.

You despise the guy's ideology.  Fine.  But, you know, it's possible, just possible that not every event in his life is perfect, high octane fuel for your hate engine.

/who am i kidding... if it turns out he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, your position will doubtless be "well, he totally WOULD have driven a gay son to suicide (which I know because magic), so I was totally justified for hating him all the more for the hypothetical son he hypothetically killed"
 
2013-04-07 12:53:36 AM  
 Remember that every sucker in the church pays for this guy and his whole family to live.
They pony up their hard earned dollars to this guy to hear a few stories and songs.
It's a suckers game of selling fairy tales for gold...
 
2013-04-07 12:53:41 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't really see the point in jumping to conclusions. Rick Warren would be a sucky father if you were straight, if you were his gay son life would truly be hell on earth. But more often than not mental illness means mental illness. You all could end up being right, but for now you're simply standing on a young man's grave to throw shiat on his father.


If you are Rick Warren, homosexuality is a mental illness. If you are the American Psychiatric Association, homosexuality has not been a mental illness since 1973.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:41 AM  

iq_in_binary: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.


.... now this is the most offensive thing i have ever seen on the internet

///this is coming from a LUEser...
 
2013-04-07 12:53:46 AM  

iq_in_binary: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.

Rick Warren and his wife failed in so many places, in so many ways, that the only thing there is to do in a healthy society when something like this happens is to make example of people whose failures led to the death of member of it. You mock them. You shame them and punish them. Especially when one of those parents is a public figure who makes his living preying on people's need to belong to something greater than themselves and using cult leader tactics to do it. He terrorizes a minority of people and uses  members of his cult to ostracize and torture children.

Two possibilities: Rick Warren, a millionaire and a man who is extremely susceptible to public opinion, did not have the resources to get his son the treatment he needed; or he did and despite proper treatment his son still committed suicide. That tends to lend a whole hell of a lot of credence to the idea that his son was a member of the very minority Warren abuses in the media daily.

Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.


At first, I was just all o_O and WTF, but I'm just going to say that nothing you said leads to the conclusion that his kid was gay and that this is why he's dead.  None of it.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:56 AM  

Bisu: Ummm...if you're talking about marriage, then they are. Everyone can legally be married to one person of the opposite gender. Straight people can. Gay people can. Equal rights.  You must wrongly be assuming legal marriage has something to do with sexual attraction to your spouse?


Wow. Just wow.
 
2013-04-07 12:54:14 AM  
bummer, the wrong Warren killed himself.
 
2013-04-07 12:54:27 AM  

iq_in_binary: Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.


Yeah, that Mary Tyler Moore, Gregory Peck, and Art Linklater were terrible parents.  In fact, of the 30,000 people who kill themselves in America each year, it is a proven fact that they all had shiatty moms and dads.
 
2013-04-07 12:54:29 AM  

iq_in_binary: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.

Rick Warren and his wife failed in so many places, in so many ways, that the only thing there is to do in a healthy society when something like this happens is to make example of people whose failures led to the death of member of it. You mock them. You shame them and punish them. Especially when one of those parents is a public figure who makes his living preying on people's need to belong to something greater than themselves and using cult leader tactics to do it. He terrorizes a minority of people and uses  members of his cult to ostracize and torture children.

Two possibilities: Rick Warren, a millionaire and a man who is extremely susceptible to public opinion, did not have the resources to get his son the treatment he needed; or he did and despite proper treatment his son still committed suicide. That tends to lend a whole hell of a lot of credence to the idea that his son was a member of the very minority Warren abuses in the media daily.

Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.


Based on your post, I'm going to assume that you know absolutely nothing about mental health.
 
2013-04-07 12:54:41 AM  

clipperbox: depression sucks. sucks for the family all around. but don't these kind of people also believe that suicides are tormented in hell forever?


I thought that was more of a Catholic belief ( or it used to be ).
 
2013-04-07 12:55:17 AM  

lohphat: Bisu: Ummm...if you're talking about marriage, then they are. Everyone can legally be married to one person of the opposite gender. Straight people can. Gay people can. Equal rights.  You must wrongly be assuming legal marriage has something to do with sexual attraction to your spouse?

Wow. Just wow.


Use logic if you disagree. Typing "wow" does nothing to counter a claim.
 
2013-04-07 12:55:57 AM  

lohphat: chapman: Spoken like someone who knows farkalll about Rick Warren other than what them blawgs told them to think.

Megachurch pastor Rick Warren remains as ill-informed on gay identity as ever. Unfazed by the notion that there may be a biological cause for homosexuality, Warren told Piers Morgan on CNN this week that acting on same-sex attractions is no different from "punching a guy in the nose" or consuming arsenic:

And:

When asked about the 2010 suicide of Tyler Clementi, Warren was forced to admit churches bear some responsibility for anti-gay animus, despite the teachings of Jesus.

And:

R. WARREN: Well, if the Bible is the word of God, then I don't have the right to change it. Policies come and go over the years. And so if I'm unpopular for certain beliefs, well, then I'm unpopular for certain beliefs. And to me, the Bible is very clear that sex is for a man and a woman in marriage only. [...]


Holy crap, you are totally going to blow the mind of your freshman philosophy/polysci prof with that solid gold material.  PS.  If you are accused of being an idiot responding with stupid blog material.  Don't respond with shiatty blog material.
 
2013-04-07 12:55:59 AM  

picturescrazy: iq_in_binary: Relatively Obscure: Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor

No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.

Good parents don't have kids that commit suicide. Good parents get their kids into counseling and help them deal with the depression. Good parents aren't afraid to commit their children to a mental hospital if they feel they are a danger to themselves.

Rick Warren and his wife failed in so many places, in so many ways, that the only thing there is to do in a healthy society when something like this happens is to make example of people whose failures led to the death of member of it. You mock them. You shame them and punish them. Especially when one of those parents is a public figure who makes his living preying on people's need to belong to something greater than themselves and using cult leader tactics to do it. He terrorizes a minority of people and uses  members of his cult to ostracize and torture children.

Two possibilities: Rick Warren, a millionaire and a man who is extremely susceptible to public opinion, did not have the resources to get his son the treatment he needed; or he did and despite proper treatment his son still committed suicide. That tends to lend a whole hell of a lot of credence to the idea that his son was a member of the very minority Warren abuses in the media daily.

Remember, good parents don't have children that commit suicide.

Based on your post, I'm going to assume that you know absolutely nothing about mental health.


Or you were being sarcastic and I didn't catch it. Of so, I apologize.
 
2013-04-07 12:56:02 AM  
I aint got enough vodak in me to handle this thread
 
2013-04-07 12:56:18 AM  

Musikslayer: TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah.  So he was gay.  Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk


What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor, as it's the most likely scenario.

Nobody should blame Warren for his son's death. What they should blame him for is statements like yours, which infers that someone thinking his son was gay is some kind of insult. It might be ironic, or even prophetic, but it's not an insult. If, somehow, assuming that Warren's son was gay makes him icky, then blame Warren for that. It's very sad to see a young man commit suicide, we had one in my family and it is still painful (it was a straight female) after many years. Hopefully, Warren will be able to do a little soul-seaching, he's a pretty bright guy and moderate on many issues.


My statement was not at all inferring that such thoughts was an insult. From the very start of this thread it has been assumed that the parents were the blame for his suicide and that the only possible explanation for it would be that he was gay despite there being a lack of anything in the article saying anything remotely close to that. What is stated is that he had a night out with his parents the evening before and it seemed to go well. Furthermore, other articles I read about this stated that Warren's son worked in the church's bookstore, is that a behavior consistent of somebody who supposedly hates his son so much for being gay that it would drive that son to suicide? Are you also just as quick to assume that anybody who would hijack a plane or commit some other form of terrorism would be a Muslim extremist?

 As someone who has lost a relative to suicide, I can very easily empathize with anybody who loses a loved one in such a way and I know that they will be asking themselves "Why?" every day for the rest of their lives. People seldom leave notes or give any explanation to why they killed themselves and it is VERY damaging to everybody left behind to say "Oh, well your relative killed themself because you were a bad (parent/grandparent/sibling/aunt/uncle/cousin etc)!" and it is very insensitive to even pretend to know why they killed themself when the family will likely never know the reason.
 
2013-04-07 12:57:46 AM  

Hobodeluxe: [wonkette.com image 490x205]

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.


I didn't know he was a teabaggy type as well.  What a lying douchebag, may it's time to start taxing these churches...

www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-07 12:58:22 AM  

Musikslayer: Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor, as it's the most likely scenario.


That's the stupidest use of Occam's Razor I've ever heard.  The most likely scenario is that he was depressed and killed himself. You people, with no proof whatsoever, are insisting he was gay and his father rejected him.

Occam's Razor, if you bother to apply it correctly, focuses on the solution that requires the fewest assumptions. You people are assuming the son was gay AND that the father treated him like shiat because of it.  That's absurd, stupid, and not a correct application of Occam's Razor at all.
 
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