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2013-04-07 12:06:22 AM
depression sucks. sucks for the family all around. but don't these kind of people also believe that suicides are tormented in hell forever?
 
2013-04-07 12:06:29 AM

Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"


That was my first thought too.

RenownedCurator: Oh God, not this "dog whistles" BS. Yeah, people use coded language sometimes, but all too often "dog whistle" seems to mean "They didn't say it, but I think they wanted to, therefore they really said it in a code interpretable only by me." If he really was gay, why on earth would the Saddleback people include even a coded reference to a trait they presumably didn't want remembered? And considering the prevalence of depression and many other mental illnesses which have nothing to do with who you like to fark, it's perfectly possible that the guy was indeed suffering from one of those and killed himself as a result. And really, to act like conservatives have some sort of lock on mocking someone's death is idiotic. Anyone remember when the Duggars miscarried their last pregnancy? I can't stand the Duggars, but even I was pretty freaked out by the vitriol.


These kind of people literally treat homosexuality as a mental disease that needs to be cured.  It might not be "coded" language from their view point.
 
2013-04-07 12:08:38 AM
you know what's odd? I've searched for pics of Rick Warren with his family and haven't found any. Now finding one of Warren and politicians is easy. But his family? not so much.
 
2013-04-07 12:09:10 AM
I'm betting his son was gay.

He either came out to his father, was badly rejected, or never came out, and took his life out of desperation.

This Rick Warren is one evil SOB.
 
2013-04-07 12:09:29 AM

thenumber5: while being no  Rick Warren fan

it has been know for while his son suffered from extreme depression, this has nothing to do with some BS about him being shamed for being gay or anything like that


this. I mean, ok, fark Rick, but fark deaths too, and especially suicide.
 
2013-04-07 12:09:46 AM

thenumber5: while being no  Rick Warren fan

it has been know for while his son suffered from extreme depression, this has nothing to do with some BS about him being shamed for being gay or anything like that


oh yeah? prove that I don't know what I don't know.
 
2013-04-07 12:10:13 AM

WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.


This. I've read some sick twisted crap on Fark, but this is some is new pathetic low. Wow.
 
2013-04-07 12:11:11 AM
At least since he committed suicide they won't have to bury him in a cemetery. That would be embarrassing.
 
2013-04-07 12:12:10 AM
I've never had to trot this out myself before, but damn...

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2013-04-07 12:12:27 AM

chewielouie: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

This. I've read some sick twisted crap on Fark, but this is some is new pathetic low. Wow.


If you don't think "gay" when the "sweet kind son" of a virulently anti-gay millionaire pastor commits suicide then son, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2013-04-07 12:14:19 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Just returning the favor.


So sorry to hear about the loss of your son.
 
2013-04-07 12:15:26 AM

clipperbox: depression sucks. sucks for the family all around. but don't these kind of people also believe that suicides are tormented in hell forever?


unforgivable sin is Catholic
 
2013-04-07 12:15:28 AM
Sometimes mental illness is a daily fight just to function, So I feel for the guy. I've been diagnosed with depression, and take mood stabilizers.
Alcohol doesn't help. I've drank until I pass out, many times.
Just have to try to stay focused.
 
2013-04-07 12:15:29 AM
Wow some of you guys are disgusting. Makes me ashamed to be a Democrat tonight.u
 
2013-04-07 12:16:40 AM
Still no "I love my dead gay son!"?
 
2013-04-07 12:17:14 AM
So, they killed the gay away?
 
2013-04-07 12:19:25 AM

Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

 
2013-04-07 12:19:30 AM
Weird.  My decryption report on their statement said "the son was a secret abortion doctor, and his family shamed him about it until he killed himself."

You guys should check your codex.
 
2013-04-07 12:19:45 AM

Somacandra: Of course, the worst death thread I can remember is still the death of Senator Craig Thomas from leukemia. He was a Republican, so you can pretty well guess where that went.


Question: what's the point in living a decent, kindly life, if people like you insist on giving the same human consideration to total scum?  As you sow, so shall you reap, I believe the thumpers like to say.  And people like Rick Warren have spent their lives sowing hatred and discord.

Sympathy is a bit of a zero-sum game: I cannot express sympathy for people like that without taking it away from those who deserve it more.
 
2013-04-07 12:19:54 AM

picturescrazy: Wow some of you guys are disgusting. Makes me ashamed to be a Democrat tonight.u


What does anything here have you being ashamed of being a Democrat?
 
2013-04-07 12:20:18 AM
I feel for the guy.  The challenges he must of faced.  And the environment he must of lived in.  In the end he couldn't navigate it.  And that sucks.  The delusional heartless ass of a father is partially the blame but in the end we all make our own choices.
 
2013-04-07 12:20:26 AM
It doesn't matter how much daddy loved him or hated him or reviled him, the choice to kill himself was the boy's. It's sad that such a young guy was in that much pain and wish he had better tools at his disposal, but I'm not going to question his method for ending his suffering. It was his choice to make.
 
2013-04-07 12:21:18 AM

TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah.  So he was gay.  Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk


What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,


Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor, as it's the most likely scenario.

Nobody should blame Warren for his son's death. What they should blame him for is statements like yours, which infers that someone thinking his son was gay is some kind of insult. It might be ironic, or even prophetic, but it's not an insult. If, somehow, assuming that Warren's son was gay makes him icky, then blame Warren for that. It's very sad to see a young man commit suicide, we had one in my family and it is still painful (it was a straight female) after many years. Hopefully, Warren will be able to do a little soul-seaching, he's a pretty bright guy and moderate on many issues.
 
2013-04-07 12:21:30 AM
Yeah, it's super sad that some poor, nice kid was suffering and decided to kill himself. I don't think any person with a heart would disagree.

But when that kid's father is a public figure who proclaims that homosexuality is a mental disorder, and then his son kills himself after struggling with a mental disorder, you do have to farking jump to some conclusions.
 
2013-04-07 12:21:31 AM
Can't we all agree that it would suck to have Rick Warren as a dad?
 
2013-04-07 12:21:57 AM
I had no idea so may farkers still thought that gay people were crazy.
 
2013-04-07 12:22:25 AM

thenumber5: while being no  Rick Warren fan

it has been know for while his son suffered from extreme depression, this has nothing to do with some BS about him being shamed for being gay or anything like that


This. Suicide is a sad conclusion no matter what the circumstances. Don't let your hate for an asshole diminish the fact that a troubled young man took his life, no matter what the reason. Try to be human, just for a second or two.
 
2013-04-07 12:22:32 AM

RenownedCurator: y, why on earth would the Saddleback people include even a coded reference to a trait they presumably didn't want remembered?


Because it's part of the hate the sin love the sinner mentality.

They (Evangelicals) view homosexuality as a mental illness not only degrading those who are homosexual but those with legitimate mental disorders.
 
2013-04-07 12:22:44 AM
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2013-04-07 12:22:56 AM
Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...
 
2013-04-07 12:23:02 AM
Someone who was likely a kind, loving person, has died, folks. Hate his dad, fine, don't treat the son like crap. No matter how hateful the things Rick Warren has said, he's still a dad, and there is very little in this world that is more painful than a parent having to bury their own child.

Rick Warren is a sick, twisted asshole who will deservedly be forever mocked by history as he already majorly is due to his barbaric and backward attitude. Animals like that though still know what it's like to love their child though. Just let that be.
 
2013-04-07 12:24:04 AM

WTF Indeed: Article: "Had mental illness"

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.


"GAY" is NOT an insult. God does not create trash. The son was gay and the parents trashed him about it until he couldn't take the hurt any more. And now the parents are hurting? But their dead gay son is not hurting now.
 
2013-04-07 12:26:07 AM

Musikslayer: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement,

Actually, it's based on Occam's Razor


No.  No, it isn't.  It's kind of the opposite, almost.
 
2013-04-07 12:27:11 AM

Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...


See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.
 
2013-04-07 12:27:43 AM

ilikeracecars: picturescrazy: Wow some of you guys are disgusting. Makes me ashamed to be a Democrat tonight.u

What does anything here have you being ashamed of being a Democrat?


Because people here are being horrible representatives of the left. "We hate bigotry so let's gloat in the suicide of someone who we suspect was gay. "
 
2013-04-07 12:28:49 AM

Kevin72: The son was gay and the parents trashed him about it until he couldn't take the hurt any more.


Seriously, are you guys getting this information from somewhere I can access?  Has it been widely documented that his son was gay and I just haven't been reading the right articles or something?
 
2013-04-07 12:29:18 AM
wonkette.com

Not only is your statement a lie but the irony that a millionaire pastor who is tax exempt would say this is not lost on me.
 
2013-04-07 12:30:12 AM

lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.


And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?
 
2013-04-07 12:30:18 AM
can anyone find a pic of Rick with his son? anywhere?  at any time? even when he was younger?
 
2013-04-07 12:30:41 AM

lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.


So, wait... this dude says dickish and shiatty things about gay people and others, so the universe makes his son supposedly gay, makes his son suffer from depression, and makes his son kill himself to teach dad a lesson?
 
2013-04-07 12:30:54 AM

Bisu: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?


karma isn't a religion
 
2013-04-07 12:31:37 AM

Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...


Because if Rick Warren said someone suffered from a mental illness, he's going to be referring to homosexuality, because that farktard thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.  And if it was any actual mental illness, Warren would have probably helped his son and got him treatment.

Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.
 
2013-04-07 12:32:11 AM

Relatively Obscure: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

So, wait... this dude says dickish and shiatty things about gay people and others, so the universe makes his son supposedly gay, makes his son suffer from depression, and makes his son kill himself to teach dad a lesson?


Man, you guys are waaaayyyy over-thinking this.
 
2013-04-07 12:32:50 AM

GAT_00: Occam's Razor says his son was gay and killed himself because his father is a raging douche.


No, it doesn't.  Where the fark did people learn about Occam's Razor?
 
2013-04-07 12:33:01 AM
Man On Pink Corner:
Sympathy is a bit of a zero-sum game: I cannot express sympathy for people like that without taking it away from those who deserve it more.

I know what you mean.  My neighbor's wife just died, but that guy is a pretty big dick.  So I saw him this morning and said "I'm glad your wife is farking dead," just to make sure I didn't deplete my precious reserve of sympathy.

My son's pretty shiatty at baseball, so when he starts losing games, I'm going to need it.
 
2013-04-07 12:33:25 AM

Hobodeluxe: Bisu: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?

karma isn't a religion


It's not a religion, but it is a psychological phenomenon that is the extension of our belief in ultimate justice. And ironically, karma is one of the things that leads humans to create religions.
 
2013-04-07 12:33:33 AM

lostcat: Relatively Obscure: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

So, wait... this dude says dickish and shiatty things about gay people and others, so the universe makes his son supposedly gay, makes his son suffer from depression, and makes his son kill himself to teach dad a lesson?

Man, you guys are waaaayyyy over-thinking this.


Sorry, I don't get the karma deal is all.
 
2013-04-07 12:34:14 AM

Ahhh_Ennui: Mental illness can be terminal regardless of sexual orientation, race, creed, economic status, etc. It's incredibly sad when anyone feels that ending their life is their only respite, and we should all understand it and feel sorrow for one who has felt so low, so useless, so helpless and hopeless. The Warrens could have been incredibly supportive of their son, and given him all the best treatments, and this still could have been the end result. Stop the inane conjecture.


He wasn't mentally ill. He was gay. "Mentally ill" was a closet the parents put him into because they couldn't possibly have a gay son even though they did.
 
2013-04-07 12:35:07 AM

Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...


know how we know you have no idea who Warren is?


He rails about homosexuality being a mental disorder, among many other things.


Now, lets use a modicum of logic: son of hate mongering preacher suffers depression/mental illness. What can cause depression? Possibly having having a parent who tells the world that what you are inside is deeply evil and to be shunned? Just maybe?



Lets then extend this situation, tragic as it is (I feel for the man who took his own life, the warren family can go EABOD collectively for how many years they have set back humanity) to other situations where a high profile family or person who rails against homosexuality has a "dark secret" (in terms of their beliefs, not mine), usually that they or a close family member is gay or has had homosexual encounters.

So, while the man likely did have mental issues, a lot of us are pointing out that they were quite possibly brought about by the actions of the father and his vehemence against something the son may have identified with.
 
2013-04-07 12:35:11 AM

Hobodeluxe: Bisu: lostcat: Bisu: Alright, retards who think "suffered from mental illness" means "was gay:"

How exactly would you word it for a straight person who was, oh I dunno, SUFFERING A MENTAL ILLNESS? Serious question, because I always thought there was a legitimate meaning to "mental illness," but apparently you all seem to think it's only used in code...

See, there's this idea of karma that a large number of people on this planet believe in to varying degrees.

Karma would suggest that if you have an asshole who preaches that gay people are sick and wrong and will burn in hell for their "choice" to be sick and wrong, you have to wonder if the universe doesn't have a shiat sandwich ready to serve up in the offing.

And how is belief in this "karma" any more logical than believing in a God that teaches homosexuality is wrong?  Is karma somehow a better religion than Christianity?

karma isn't a religion


The way he put it it is. Or should I say, "belief system?" Would that make you feel better? They're both beliefs in things based on faith/superstition instead of empirical evidence.
 
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