Silly Jesus: Your scenario works in an open field, sort of, but in reality these people aren't scattering. They are sitting ducks in a theater, in classrooms, in an office. If they were able to run in all directions then of course it would be stupid to stand in a circle and draw weapons. But, since we are dealing with reality here, I don't see the downside to the teacher in Newtown laying on a pile of children having a gun when the guy came through the door. What extra harm could that teacher have possibly done? The kids were cornered, they had chalk and erasers, and you're preaching about advanced societies. If my child had been in that room I'd have loved for the teacher to have had at least a chance of doing something with a gun. Hell, if the teacher shot 5 kids and then the shooter things would have still been better overall.Bring your analysis back to the reality of people being trapped in rooms in buildings and try again.
BigLuca: serial_crusher: What happens if the dude tries to shoot up a swimming pool inside of a gun free zone? Can't fight back without your gun, running is strictly not allowed around the pool, and there's not really anywhere to hide at a poolThat's why I only swim with fat kids.
duenor: mr0x: Ontos: The average civilian hobbyist has a hell of a lot more range-time than the average "mass shooter".Really? A guy who decides to do a mass shooting has less experience with firearms than an average person?He didn't say average person, he said average civilian hobbyist. To be fair, however, I'm not sure that's even relevant. Most mass shootings tend to take place at close to very close range, with the targets basically staying in one place, cowering, begging for their lives. Then again, if there was someone shooting back there might be a chance for those who are unarmed to get away. I don't know.
mr0x: Ontos: The average civilian hobbyist has a hell of a lot more range-time than the average "mass shooter".Really? A guy who decides to do a mass shooting has less experience with firearms than an average person?
Schroedinger's Glory Hole: That's why no major media outlets reported this nonsense,
WordyGrrl: Oh, of course not. I Googled to heck and back and couldn't find it again. It was some news program-type thingie. In any case, it did get the message across that no matter how well you think you're prepared, when the real thing goes down it will not conform to your perfect pre-planned mentally-thought-out scenario.
mr0x: DrExplosion: and hoping for a headshot is still better than hoping he runs out of ammo before he gets to you.Hoping for headshot? This isn't like a video game.Unless you have extensive training and skill with your weapon, you aren't getting a headshot. Attempting to shoot will direct the attacker's focus on you. He has bigger guns, protection, bigger bullets and more bullets and a lot less to lose than you.The chances that you are significantly more trained than the shooter is very unlikely.
Publikwerks: Silly Jesus: I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you. Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.The more you know...Because the surest way to limit the body count is to have people return fire.Because it never goes wrong. Especially when the shooters have extensive training..Oh waithttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds - caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com /2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds- caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0But you know, us libs are just silly folks. You, trying to limit gunfire around kids.
FARK rebel soldier: skozlaw: Is it just me or does Silly Jesus basically just run around shiatting in every thread just to be a total dickhole?This. I found myself agreeing with him in one thread and suddenly he was just screaming abuse and worshipping his own cleverness. I was glad I didn't get myself into that mess.
Ennuipoet: I am no gun nut, but I was taught in the cop school that cover and concealment were the first rules of not being killed during a shootout. So, if I were to find myself armed and in a mass shooting, first I would scream, cry, shiat myself, hide under a dead body and then maybe, if I had a clear shot, I would shoot at the rampaging gun nut with the semi-auto chugging rounds into the pre-school class.I am nothing if not a realist.
Princess Ryans Knickers: And in not one of the mass shootings over the past 30 years was it stopped by a bystander with a gun. Tackling after running out of ammo, yes. Police intervention, yes. Shooter kills self. Never by a person carrying.
dfenstrate: I like how the lib advocating cowering (publicwerks) links to an article about cops shooting up bystanders- not armed citizens shooting bystanders.So tell me again why we should limit gun ownership to the police only.
Ennuipoet: I am no gun nut, but I was taught in the cop school that cover and concealment were the first rules of not being killed during a shootout.
Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.
RedPhoenix122: Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.Also armed everyone.
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