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(The New York Times)   After careful analysis of mass shootings, police advise that members of the public who find themselves in the midst of one should "run away, hide, or fight back." This report was delivered by police spokesmen Capt. Obvious and Detective N.S. Sherlock   (nytimes.com) divider line 231
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2013-04-06 04:30:54 PM  
No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.
 
2013-04-06 04:34:25 PM  
I thought hiding then fighting back was murder 1 with malice aforethought.
 
2013-04-06 04:35:58 PM  

Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.


Also armed everyone.
 
2013-04-06 05:09:13 PM  

Fano: I thought hiding then fighting back was murder 1 with malice aforethought.


I don't think it's murder if the attacker is still shooting, regardless of whether or not you hid first.  Maybe he discovered your hiding spot?  Then what?
 
2013-04-06 05:16:05 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.

Also armed everyone.


Yeah, that too. Then we'd be living in a good, honest God-fearing utopia.
 
2013-04-06 05:49:50 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.

Also armed everyone.


Kind of implied with the "fight back" part.

Bringing a knife to a gunfight is ill advised but considered an epic win when it works
 
2013-04-06 05:56:45 PM  
I don't like any of those options.  I need more.
 
2013-04-06 06:18:59 PM  
What happens if the dude tries to shoot up a swimming pool inside of a gun free zone?  Can't fight back without your gun, running is strictly not allowed around the pool, and there's not really anywhere to hide at a pool
 
2013-04-06 06:38:43 PM  

serial_crusher: What happens if the dude tries to shoot up a swimming pool inside of a gun free zone?  Can't fight back without your gun, running is strictly not allowed around the pool, and there's not really anywhere to hide at a pool


Ever tried to shoot something that's under water? Don't hold your breath.
 
2013-04-06 06:49:08 PM  

Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.


Depends on who you pray to.

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2013-04-06 06:55:06 PM  

Krymson Tyde: RedPhoenix122: Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.

Also armed everyone.

Yeah, that too. Then we'd be living in a good, honest God-fearing utopia.


Add in racism and you have the South.
 
2013-04-06 06:56:43 PM  

Fano: I thought hiding then fighting back was murder 1 with malice aforethought.


I am no gun nut, but I was taught in the cop school that cover and concealment were the first rules of not being killed during a shootout.  So, if I were to find myself armed and in a mass shooting, first I would scream, cry, shiat myself, hide under a dead body and then maybe, if I had a clear shot, I would shoot at the rampaging gun nut with the semi-auto chugging rounds into the pre-school class.

I am nothing if not a realist.
 
2013-04-06 07:05:26 PM  
I guess that asking one of the dying people to sign a quit claim deed on their property would be a little crass, unless of course you promised to do the right thing with the proceeds. After he or she signs, if you have a gun blow the mfer away.
 
2013-04-06 07:10:22 PM  
I'd like to think I'd do something heroic in a situation like a mass shooting.  But I've never been in one and never want to test my hope.  Frankly, I hope neither I nor anyone I know, or anyone for that matter, are in one.

I also panic well.  I panic very well.
 
2013-04-06 07:15:51 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Krymson Tyde: RedPhoenix122: Krymson Tyde: No praying? According to Facebook this shiat wouldn't happen if we prayed more.

Also armed everyone.

Yeah, that too. Then we'd be living in a good, honest God-fearing utopia.

Add in racism and you have the South.


Yeah, but they're generally not open about it in Facebook. At least my friends aren't.

I do have a few birthers I keep around for comic relief.
 
2013-04-06 07:42:45 PM  

Fano: I thought hiding then fighting back was murder 1 with malice aforethought.


Only in England.
 
2013-04-06 07:56:59 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I don't like any of those options.  I need more.


Masturbate furiously?
 
Ehh
2013-04-06 07:57:42 PM  
What about waving my arms around, screaming, and pissing myself?

/multitasker
 
2013-04-06 07:57:53 PM  
Nice to have some national media coverage on this. For far too long, what was missing was the emphasis on 'run the fark away'. It was hard to work against the 'lock-downs are the only legit technique we teach' to something more reasonable.

So you can have: Run Hide Fight
Or
Get Out, Hide Out, Take Out (my favourite)
Or
Some other variant.

/getting a kick, etc...
 
2013-04-06 07:58:27 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I don't like any of those options.  I need more.


Call in a nuclear strike. That would be my option.
 
2013-04-06 08:03:32 PM  

Ehh: What about waving my arms around, screaming, and pissing myself?

/multitasker


Strip naked and run around in circles screaming the lyrics to "Walking on Sunshine" at the top of your lungs. You could piss yourself at the same if you are so inclined.
 
2013-04-06 08:03:47 PM  
And once we ban all guns, the government will issue you all special edition sporks, jab works better than slash.
 
2013-04-06 08:04:03 PM  
If I'm ever caught in a crossfire, I'm going to act like a rabbit.  Most people like rabbits.
 
2013-04-06 08:04:12 PM  
A look at part of the methodology leaves something to be desired:

Search StrategyLexis-Nexis was utilized to search news stories from 2000 to 2010 for active shooterevents in the United States using the following search terms: Active shooter, mass shooting, shooting spree, spree shooting, business shooting, mall shooting, and school shooting .
 
2013-04-06 08:04:57 PM  
I_Am_Weasel
I don't like any of those options. I need more.

Well, since fleeing, hiding and fighting were all covered in the headline, we're pretty much down to
"wait in plain sight for the shooter to pump you full of bullets, hoping to save the others by making the shooter run out of ammo"
 
2013-04-06 08:05:07 PM  
You guys could always poop and vomit on yourselves.  I hear that makes you a less attractive target.
 
2013-04-06 08:05:08 PM  
I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you.  Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.

The more you know...
 
2013-04-06 08:06:11 PM  

Molavian: You guys could always poop and vomit on yourselves.  I hear that makes you a less attractive target.


I think that applies to rape,  not to shooting someone.
 
2013-04-06 08:08:47 PM  
The N S stands for "No shiat", so the whole phrase would read "No shiat, Sherlock!"  This is a common response of by-standers when an obvious fact is stated.
 
2013-04-06 08:08:56 PM  

Silly Jesus: Molavian: You guys could always poop and vomit on yourselves.  I hear that makes you a less attractive target.

I think that applies to rape,  not to shooting someone.


Damn, that usually costs extra.
 
2013-04-06 08:09:39 PM  

Silly Jesus: I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you.  Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.

The more you know...


That lacks only the virtue of being true. I mean, listening to you talk is about as informative as listening to Diane Feinstein talk about guns. Well done.
 
2013-04-06 08:10:28 PM  

Silly Jesus: I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you.  Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.

The more you know...


Because the surest way to limit the body count is to have people return fire.
Because it never goes wrong. Especially when the shooters have extensive training..


Oh wait

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds - caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com /2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds- caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

But you know, us libs are just silly folks. You, trying to limit gunfire around kids.
 
2013-04-06 08:11:08 PM  
wow, fark mangled that hyperlink
 
2013-04-06 08:13:35 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: If I'm ever caught in a crossfire, I'm going to act like a rabbit.  Most people like rabbits.


OK, so you're going to hop around, twitch your nose, and stare wide-eyed at the gunman; or you're going to pull out a carrot, stick your finger in the end of the barrel, and say "Eh, who ya shootin' at, doc?"

Either would work, but one would be way funnier to watch.
 
2013-04-06 08:13:40 PM  

Ennuipoet: I am no gun nut, but I was taught in the cop school that cover and concealment were the first rules of not being killed during a shootout.


"Concealment", aka how not to be seen.
 
2013-04-06 08:15:08 PM  

vygramul: Silly Jesus: I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you.  Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.

The more you know...

That lacks only the virtue of being true. I mean, listening to you talk is about as informative as listening to Diane Feinstein talk about guns. Well done.


You must not read many Fark gun threads.

OMG THERE WOULD BE CROSSFIRE!  WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE SHOOTING BACK AT AN ARMED ATTACKER!
 
2013-04-06 08:17:33 PM  

Publikwerks: Silly Jesus: I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you.  Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.

The more you know...

Because the surest way to limit the body count is to have people return fire.
Because it never goes wrong. Especially when the shooters have extensive training..


Oh wait

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds - caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com /2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds- caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

But you know, us libs are just silly folks. You, trying to limit gunfire around kids.


So the best defense against an active shooter is to cower?  These cowards either leave or commit suicide once they hear the sirens approaching.  If someone was returning fire they would be shot / flee / off themselves.  Even if someone returning fire hit an innocent person, the cessation of the original shooter would more than make up for it.  Either that or everyone could just cower in a corner like the Newtown kids until the cops show up several minutes later.
 
2013-04-06 08:22:01 PM  

serial_crusher: What happens if the dude tries to shoot up a swimming pool inside of a gun free zone?  Can't fight back without your gun, running is strictly not allowed around the pool, and there's not really anywhere to hide at a pool


That's why I only swim with fat kids.
 
2013-04-06 08:23:10 PM  
This has been part of the Active Shooter training I've received for at least 2 years.  Before then they've never encouraged you to fight back.  Now they do.
 
2013-04-06 08:24:10 PM  
I like how the lib advocating cowering (publicwerks) links to an article about cops shooting up bystanders- not armed citizens shooting bystanders.
So tell me again why we should limit gun ownership to the police only.
 
2013-04-06 08:25:52 PM  
I think standing still, frozen with fear, shiatting and pissing yourself, all while screaming an impossibly high screech is a vastly underrated strategy.
 
2013-04-06 08:26:07 PM  
I remember hearing something on NPR where they were talking to a guy who confronted a mass shooter in a mall. He didn't stop him, but they said after he disrupted the guy by confronting him the guy changed up his tactic and holed up in a store instead which effectively ended it. They said that now police are recommending that the most important you can do is disrupt the attacker's pattern, which is why instead of waiting for backup at school events and setting a perimeter they now just breach ASAP.
 
2013-04-06 08:26:16 PM  
Well, goddammit, apparently my 'break into a song and dance routine' plan isn't a good one then.
 
2013-04-06 08:26:50 PM  
If a lib was in a movie theater that was actively being shot up and laying on the floor next to a guy that said "damn, just my luck, the one day I didn't carry my gun", the lib would actually be thankful that he'd forgotten it.  I just can't understand that.

"I'm being shot at, good thing I and everyone around me is defenseless!"

Lib brains should be studied.
 
2013-04-06 08:26:51 PM  

BigLuca: serial_crusher: What happens if the dude tries to shoot up a swimming pool inside of a gun free zone?  Can't fight back without your gun, running is strictly not allowed around the pool, and there's not really anywhere to hide at a pool

That's why I only swim with fat kids.


Mythbusters tested this. Just go underwater a few feet and hope the shooter wastes his ammo before you come up. Bullets lose all their energy very rapidly in water. Any bullet, rifle or handgun.
 
2013-04-06 08:28:18 PM  

maxalt: I guess that asking one of the dying people to sign a quit claim deed on their property would be a little crass, unless of course you promised to do the right thing with the proceeds. After he or she signs, if you have a gun blow the mfer away.


I would think that going through their pockets for any cash therein, or relieving them of any conspicuously valuable watches or jewelry would be acceptable, though.
 
2013-04-06 08:29:53 PM  

toraque: Well, goddammit, apparently my 'break into a song and dance routine' plan isn't a good one then.


Yeah, that's why so many black guys got killed in 'Nam. The Sarge would yell "Get down!" - and they'd all jump up and start to dance.
 
2013-04-06 08:36:53 PM  

skozlaw: I remember hearing something on NPR where they were talking to a guy who confronted a mass shooter in a mall. He didn't stop him, but they said after he disrupted the guy by confronting him the guy changed up his tactic and holed up in a store instead which effectively ended it. They said that now police are recommending that the most important you can do is disrupt the attacker's pattern, which is why instead of waiting for backup at school events and setting a perimeter they now just breach ASAP.


There's been a few times, to my profit, that I've interrupted someone's plan with my own counter action.

Once some tough looking kids were clearly following me (whilst driving), and after I was sure of it, I stomped on the brakes and pulled onto the shoulder of a busy road. They pulled to the side as if following me through a turn- but there was no turn; and they pulled back onto the road and drove off without stopping.
The other time my wife's employer was obviously setting up to fire my pregnant wife after their busy season was done. So I wrote a letter to them (which my wife passed on as her writing) accusing her supervisor of unlawfully discriminating against a pregnant woman, and got us a $4k payoff to shut up and go away for good.
So yeah , good tactic. Mess up your opponents plan.
/CSB
 
2013-04-06 08:37:39 PM  

Publikwerks: Silly Jesus: I've been informed by libs that cowering defenseless in a corner is the best action against someone shooting a gun at you.  Under no circumstances should you perform the action that has gotten all of the mass shooters to stop or commit suicide, arrive with a gun.

The more you know...

Because the surest way to limit the body count is to have people return fire.
Because it never goes wrong. Especially when the shooters have extensive training..


Oh wait

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds - caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com /2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds- caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

But you know, us libs are just silly folks. You, trying to limit gunfire around kids.


Which is exactly why you should leave the heroics to the police. They've trained for this sort of thing, you know.
 
2013-04-06 08:38:32 PM  

serial_crusher: What happens if the dude tries to shoot up a swimming pool inside of a gun free zone?  Can't fight back without your gun, running is strictly not allowed around the pool, and there's not really anywhere to hide at a pool


I would call a "time out," form a a commitee, and get a consensus, and only then proceed.
 
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