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(Sun News Network)   News: People arrested at a protest. FARK: They were arrested for protesting a bylaw which requires protesters to submit a route prior to the start of the demonstration. Irony: They didn't submit a route   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 29
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2013-04-06 06:16:53 PM  
3 votes:
No, this is how you properly protest an improperly written law. I don't know how they do it in Canadia, but in the US, if a law improperly conflicts with the 1st Amendment (by being overly broad or vague or restricting time/place/manner in a way it's not supposed to), standing requirements prevent someone from just taking the thing to court; someone has to have suffered "injury" by the law's enforcement. So you have your parade or whatever in violation of the statute, get fined or arrested, and then proceed to court on the grounds that it was an invalid law.

Then if the court is any good, the law is struck down and you are found not guilty since you can't violate an invalid law. Which, I assume, is what these protestors in Montreal were doing. So good for them.
2013-04-06 05:26:33 PM  
3 votes:
Keep hiding in your houses and asking for permission.
2013-04-06 12:10:52 PM  
3 votes:
The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.


FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.
2013-04-06 07:04:01 PM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.

Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.


that's nonsense.
hopefully protests continue until until unconstitutional violations of liberty fall to acceptable levels.
2013-04-06 04:36:59 PM  
2 votes:
I wonder what prevents them from outlining their route to include just about anywhere they might go.

As a side note- At Grey Cup 1998 in Vancouver, the city did not allow a parade through the busy downtown.  So a group of fans asked for, and got, a protest permit that included a route.  We had a 'protest' that included fans in costume, mascots, drunken revelry, and several police pipe bands from other cities.  We picked up random citizens along the way and added to our numbers.  We marched down Robson the wrong direction and brought traffic to a standstill.

The people stuck in traffic were generally in favour, The cops wanted to do something, but how do you bust up a parade without looking like assholes?

It was glorious.

/thats how Calgarians roll
2013-04-06 11:55:00 AM  
2 votes:
Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

Lesson #1 on how NOT to have your protest taken seriously:
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2013-04-07 01:32:07 AM  
1 votes:

cptjeff: I'm perfectly fine with it when the state slaps down some anarchist morons for being stupid. Seriously, you give them your route and get your permit, you don't get fined. Magic!


I'm not sure how they're morons here. If they submitted a route, right then and there they've defeated the entire point of the protest against having to submit routes and completely invalidated their reason for being there. They're caught in this Kafkaian circular logic.
2013-04-06 08:11:29 PM  
1 votes:
oh jeez - this was Canada, not the US.  Now I am both stupid AND embarrassed.

Carry on with your freedom violatin', Oh Canada

my bad!
2013-04-06 08:10:37 PM  
1 votes:
Seeing the GI police makes my stomach turn
2013-04-06 07:44:08 PM  
1 votes:

Acharne: beta_plus: [media.tumblr.com image 200x150]

Progressive liberal socialists, especially of the NDP variety, like being difficult assholes.

What the NDP considers to be peaceful and legal protest.

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Nonsense.


There's absolutely no way a police car could be on fire unless some godless anarchists set it on fire. None. Nope, not a one.
2013-04-06 07:37:20 PM  
1 votes:

beta_plus: [media.tumblr.com image 200x150]

Progressive liberal socialists, especially of the NDP variety, like being difficult assholes.

What the NDP considers to be peaceful and legal protest.

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x440]


Nonsense.
2013-04-06 07:32:00 PM  
1 votes:
A protest is SUPPOSED to make life hell for the city. It's supposed to Shut. Down. Everything. And inconvenience everyone else so they know you are pissed off. That is the point of a protest.

In this day and age if you follow the damned rules, you are better off just doing a worthless internet petition rather than wasting all that energy.
2013-04-06 07:07:42 PM  
1 votes:

cptjeff: Todd300: /whos the victim?

People who want to use the roads?


I'm perfectly fine with it when the state slaps down some anarchist morons for being stupid. Seriously, you give them your route and get your permit, you don't get fined. Magic!


you don't have a right to no delays. you do have a right to assemble.
2013-04-06 07:05:29 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: It's a cromulently democratic monopoly provided by the ultimate source of power, the victims whose freedom of movement was restricted by the protesters.


did they have a permit? you dont have a right to no traffic, you do have a right to assemble
2013-04-06 07:04:19 PM  
1 votes:
cptjeff
you give them your route and get your permit

Unless they decide to not give you a permit, whether for legitimate safety reasons or bullshiat "safety" reasons such as that the PM doesn't want any filthy protestors within view of his economic summit.
2013-04-06 07:02:36 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


and it's posts like this that keep you on my favourite list.
agree 100%
2013-04-06 06:45:00 PM  
1 votes:
Ah yea I forgot...
Charter of Rights and Freedoms: Right to peaceful protest.

/Except when the plain clothes cops meld into the protest to cause a disturbance, in order to allow the uniformed cops to come in and beat heads.

//Read somewhere where at some protest the cops pretending to be protesters wore their cop boots. Ooooooops.
2013-04-06 06:40:12 PM  
1 votes:
Yea I don't click on foxnews north, but if this was in the country of Queebec, this is an unconstitutional law in Canada. And since its not in Canada, well fark the French up their backsides with a 2 day old bagel and then fart in their general direction.

/French law, you are guilty til proved innocent and can be taken into custody for no reason at all.

//English law you are innocent til proved guilty and really shouldn't be held without actual evidence presented of a crime for your future lawsuit against the police. No ticket = No crime = free money!!!

///Damn people getting all uppity, so you gotta slam them young ones down to restore the police state.
2013-04-06 06:25:17 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

Just like that song about irony in which nothing mentioned is ironic. I find that ironic.


A Scotsman cloning a sheep: Now, THAT is ironic.
2013-04-06 06:20:08 PM  
1 votes:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble as long as they give the police their route, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
2013-04-06 06:03:35 PM  
1 votes:
Hey grammar nazis.. anne frank here.

According to MW dictionary, the third definition of irony is :


3: a) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result; an event or result marked by such incongruity

wouldn't you say that the intent of their sequence of events was not in line with the actual result?  Whilst i personally believe they INTENDED to get arrested, and it's therefore not ironic, subby was saying they were protesting to change the law, without being arrested.  So, yeah, ironic works here.  Sorry folks, you'll have to find some other trivial thing to feel superior about.
2013-04-06 05:58:14 PM  
1 votes:
IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.  GOODNIGHT.
2013-04-06 05:31:08 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.

Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.


'Fines' are sanctioned force by those who have a monopoly on force, and have nothing to do with justice.

/whos the victim?
2013-04-06 05:28:07 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.
2013-04-06 05:26:55 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, I'm the guy who always rolls my eyes at people who every post try to say that wasn't ironic, but that wasn't ironic.
2013-04-06 05:23:04 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


They wouldn't have been fined if they had gotten the permit. Which isn't exactly an incredibly expensive or difficult process.

They got slapped with a big fine because they were morons who thought they were above the law. Tough titties.
2013-04-06 05:22:24 PM  
1 votes:
The OWS morans had this same argument in Portland last year.  The police were willing to shut down roads and assign officers to keep them safe if they'd just tell them their route.  Instead the SEIU and other "anarchists" just marched wherever they felt like and got all pissy when people tried to drive down streets and shiat.  Fark them.
2013-04-06 04:52:58 PM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: How is this irony?


It seems like the opposite of irony. You would expect those protesters not to submit a route.

However, this is Fark, so I don't expect irony to accompany the ironic tag.

/Not an expert on irony.
2013-04-06 12:22:10 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


Don't worry citizen, you can pay it in full and hire a lawyer to fight it later.
 
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