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(Sun News Network)   News: People arrested at a protest. FARK: They were arrested for protesting a bylaw which requires protesters to submit a route prior to the start of the demonstration. Irony: They didn't submit a route   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 88
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2013-04-06 07:02:58 PM

Mr Rogers is aroused: What I believe and what works aren't related at all.


I have absolutely no trouble believing this.
 
2013-04-06 07:03:05 PM

cptjeff: morons who thought they were above the law.



You mean like cops?

/just this afternoon I watched a town cop speed through the village on his way to set up a speed trap by the state border
 
2013-04-06 07:04:01 PM

BarkingUnicorn: vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.

Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.


that's nonsense.
hopefully protests continue until until unconstitutional violations of liberty fall to acceptable levels.
 
2013-04-06 07:04:19 PM
cptjeff
you give them your route and get your permit

Unless they decide to not give you a permit, whether for legitimate safety reasons or bullshiat "safety" reasons such as that the PM doesn't want any filthy protestors within view of his economic summit.
 
2013-04-06 07:05:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: It's a cromulently democratic monopoly provided by the ultimate source of power, the victims whose freedom of movement was restricted by the protesters.


did they have a permit? you dont have a right to no traffic, you do have a right to assemble
 
2013-04-06 07:07:42 PM

cptjeff: Todd300: /whos the victim?

People who want to use the roads?


I'm perfectly fine with it when the state slaps down some anarchist morons for being stupid. Seriously, you give them your route and get your permit, you don't get fined. Magic!


you don't have a right to no delays. you do have a right to assemble.
 
2013-04-06 07:09:45 PM

LordOfThePings: Mr Rogers is aroused: What I believe and what works aren't related at all.

I have absolutely no trouble believing this.


0/10.
 
2013-04-06 07:09:52 PM

unyon: I wonder what prevents them from outlining their route to include just about anywhere they might go.


One presumes any such submission would be subject to some kind of approval by whatever governing body you're submitting it to (possibly at the least so that local law enforcement and civic workers are aware of it in case some third party calls asking what's going on), so it is likely any attempt to circumvent the spirit of such a requirement would be rejected.

If there is no approval process involved (and I could see a need for one, depending on the size and location of the intended protest), it is pretty much a waste of everyone's time. Not that I wouldn't put it past any governing body from enacting legislation that is principally designed to waste everyone's time. See: Kennesaw, Georgia, where it is mandatory to own a gun... unless you're a conscientious objector, in which case you get a pass.
 
2013-04-06 07:10:58 PM

James F. Campbell: Irony is saying one thing and meaning another. That's all. Funny or appropriate coincidences are not ironic.


This law is just as ironic as those "Free Speech Zones" during Dubya's administration

s9.postimg.org
War is peace
Freedom is Slavery etc etc..
 
2013-04-06 07:17:32 PM

libranoelrose: All I need is a knife


It's like raaaaain just before a cold front.
 
2013-04-06 07:22:56 PM
If they would have followed the yellow brick road,  none of this would have happened.

Auntie Em.
 
2013-04-06 07:32:00 PM
A protest is SUPPOSED to make life hell for the city. It's supposed to Shut. Down. Everything. And inconvenience everyone else so they know you are pissed off. That is the point of a protest.

In this day and age if you follow the damned rules, you are better off just doing a worthless internet petition rather than wasting all that energy.
 
2013-04-06 07:37:20 PM

beta_plus: [media.tumblr.com image 200x150]

Progressive liberal socialists, especially of the NDP variety, like being difficult assholes.

What the NDP considers to be peaceful and legal protest.

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Nonsense.
 
2013-04-06 07:42:21 PM
Isn't this exactly what they wanted?  Now they can challenge the law in court.
 
2013-04-06 07:44:08 PM

Acharne: beta_plus: [media.tumblr.com image 200x150]

Progressive liberal socialists, especially of the NDP variety, like being difficult assholes.

What the NDP considers to be peaceful and legal protest.

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x440]

Nonsense.


There's absolutely no way a police car could be on fire unless some godless anarchists set it on fire. None. Nope, not a one.
 
2013-04-06 07:44:52 PM
Free Speech Zone is under that lake over there
 
2013-04-06 07:56:55 PM

doglover: Gyrfalcon: if a law improperly conflicts with the 1st Amendment (by being overly broad or vague or restricting time/place/manner in a way it's not supposed to), standing requirements prevent someone from just taking the thing to court; someone has to have suffered "injury" by the law's enforcement.

That's horrific.

It's like saying "We can't arrest a guy holding a gun to your mom's head and saying 'give me the money or I shoot the biatch.' but we have to wait until he actually shoots her or accepts money."

farkin' bullshiat.


Sometimes you make sense and then you do shiat like this.  Good job!
 
2013-04-06 07:59:54 PM

Pathman: BarkingUnicorn: It's a cromulently democratic monopoly provided by the ultimate source of power, the victims whose freedom of movement was restricted by the protesters.

did they have a permit? you dont have a right to no traffic, you do have a right to assemble


Then why would they need a permit?  No, they didn't have one.  That was part of the protest.

Yes, I do have a right to travel freely.  There's a balance to be struck between my right and yours.
 
2013-04-06 08:04:59 PM
Except this is Quebec, those schmucks have been protesting for over a year now because they don't want to pay for school.
 
2013-04-06 08:10:07 PM
BarkingUnicorn:
Then why would they need a permit?  No, they didn't have one.  That was part of the protest.

Yes, I do have a right to travel freely.  There's a balance to be struck between my right and yours.


you say that as if i said you don't have the right to travel freely.  I addressed that in my original post: you don't have a right to no traffic, you do have a right to assemble.

the first amendment does not read Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances as long as they have a permit.

the fact that they're being required to get a permit violates the first amendment once and the fact that they're not free to protest that first violation is the second.
 
2013-04-06 08:10:37 PM
Seeing the GI police makes my stomach turn
 
2013-04-06 08:11:29 PM
oh jeez - this was Canada, not the US.  Now I am both stupid AND embarrassed.

Carry on with your freedom violatin', Oh Canada

my bad!
 
2013-04-06 09:38:01 PM
Welcome to Obama's America Canadia.
 
2013-04-06 10:19:38 PM

Pathman: oh jeez - this was Canada, not the US.  Now I am both stupid AND embarrassed.

Carry on with your freedom violatin', Oh Canada

my bad!


It's okay, although we don't have the Bill of Rights, we have the  Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Article 2 states:

Fundamental freedoms2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.
 
2013-04-06 11:04:15 PM

fusillade762: vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

Just like that song about irony in which nothing mentioned is ironic. I find that ironic.




Wrong, some of that song is ironic.
 
2013-04-07 12:58:44 AM

beta_plus: [media.tumblr.com image 200x150]

Progressive liberal socialists, especially of the NDP variety, like being difficult assholes.

What the NDP considers to be peaceful and legal protest.

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x440]


Looks fine to me. fark the police.
 
2013-04-07 01:32:07 AM

cptjeff: I'm perfectly fine with it when the state slaps down some anarchist morons for being stupid. Seriously, you give them your route and get your permit, you don't get fined. Magic!


I'm not sure how they're morons here. If they submitted a route, right then and there they've defeated the entire point of the protest against having to submit routes and completely invalidated their reason for being there. They're caught in this Kafkaian circular logic.
 
2013-04-07 03:16:10 AM

Pathman: BarkingUnicorn:
Then why would they need a permit?  No, they didn't have one.  That was part of the protest.

Yes, I do have a right to travel freely.  There's a balance to be struck between my right and yours.

you say that as if i said you don't have the right to travel freely.  I addressed that in my original post: you don't have a right to no traffic, you do have a right to assemble.


Again, there's a balance to be struck.

"The nature of a place, 'the pattern of its normal activities, dictate the kinds of regulations of time, place, and manner that are reasonable.'" In determining what is reasonable, the Court stated that "[the] crucial question is whether the manner of expression is basically incompatible with the normal activity of a particular place at a particular time."
 
2013-04-07 05:53:52 AM

doglover: vartian: A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.

Don't worry citizen, you can pay it in full and hire a lawyer to fight it later.


I dont agree with you much, but I have come to realize in the last few days that you understand how the legal system really works. I laugh at all the FARK lawyers in here sometimes. "Go ahead, charge ME with a crime, after I'm cleared in court, I'll OWNZ YER ASS"

Like it works that way...
 
2013-04-07 05:58:17 AM

cptjeff: They wouldn't have been fined if they had gotten the permit. Which isn't exactly an incredibly expensive or difficult process.


Unless it's free, and all you have to do is ask for it, then its and abridgement on freedom of speech, but by your username, I see you dont exactly care about shiat like that.
 
2013-04-07 06:11:23 AM

Madbassist1: cptjeff: They wouldn't have been fined if they had gotten the permit. Which isn't exactly an incredibly expensive or difficult process.

Unless it's free, and all you have to do is ask for it, then its and abridgement on freedom of speech, but by your username, I see you dont exactly care about shiat like that.


i disagree with cptjeff on this issue, but i am a little puzzled by what you mean by what said about his username?
 
2013-04-07 07:04:18 AM

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Gyrfalcon: if a law improperly conflicts with the 1st Amendment (by being overly broad or vague or restricting time/place/manner in a way it's not supposed to), standing requirements prevent someone from just taking the thing to court; someone has to have suffered "injury" by the law's enforcement.

That's horrific.

It's like saying "We can't arrest a guy holding a gun to your mom's head and saying 'give me the money or I shoot the biatch.' but we have to wait until he actually shoots her or accepts money."

farkin' bullshiat.

Sometimes you make sense and then you do shiat like this.  Good job!


There should be no reason to have people directly injured by poor legislation before that legislation can be challenged. It's the opposite of the purpose of checks an balances.

You should be able to challenge bullshiat laws WITHOUT sacrificing innocent citizens at the altar of lex ex recto.
 
2013-04-07 09:15:05 AM

Pathman: Madbassist1: cptjeff: They wouldn't have been fined if they had gotten the permit. Which isn't exactly an incredibly expensive or difficult process.

Unless it's free, and all you have to do is ask for it, then its and abridgement on freedom of speech, but by your username, I see you dont exactly care about shiat like that.

i disagree with cptjeff on this issue, but i am a little puzzled by what you mean by what said about his username?


Well I was referring to 'cpt' which typically means 'captain' but I read his profile and I am as puzzled by that as you are at my reference to it.
 
2013-04-07 09:26:59 AM

Madbassist1: Well I was referring to 'cpt' which typically means 'captain' but I read his profile and I am as puzzled by that as you are at my reference to it.


and do you think someone in the military or even the police is automatically opposed to principles of freedom and liberty?
 
2013-04-07 09:58:26 AM
I think people in the military or police are prone to automatically defer to authority figures without question.
 
2013-04-07 10:34:55 AM
Thats not ironic its apropos.
 
2013-04-07 03:39:32 PM
This is the definition of not irony.
 
2013-04-07 04:58:52 PM
Words to watch out for that have already appeared in the USA:

Designated free speech area

Unsanctioned rally
 
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