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2013-04-06 11:55:00 AM
Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

Lesson #1 on how NOT to have your protest taken seriously:
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2013-04-06 12:10:52 PM
The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.


FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.
 
2013-04-06 12:22:10 PM

vartian: A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


Don't worry citizen, you can pay it in full and hire a lawyer to fight it later.
 
2013-04-06 04:36:59 PM
I wonder what prevents them from outlining their route to include just about anywhere they might go.

As a side note- At Grey Cup 1998 in Vancouver, the city did not allow a parade through the busy downtown.  So a group of fans asked for, and got, a protest permit that included a route.  We had a 'protest' that included fans in costume, mascots, drunken revelry, and several police pipe bands from other cities.  We picked up random citizens along the way and added to our numbers.  We marched down Robson the wrong direction and brought traffic to a standstill.

The people stuck in traffic were generally in favour, The cops wanted to do something, but how do you bust up a parade without looking like assholes?

It was glorious.

/thats how Calgarians roll
 
2013-04-06 04:38:45 PM
How is this irony?
 
2013-04-06 04:52:58 PM

SilentStrider: How is this irony?


It seems like the opposite of irony. You would expect those protesters not to submit a route.

However, this is Fark, so I don't expect irony to accompany the ironic tag.

/Not an expert on irony.
 
2013-04-06 05:15:17 PM
All I need is a knife
 
2013-04-06 05:15:21 PM
How is this irony? Isn't the whole point of their protest the fact that they have to submit a route in the first place? If anything, it's Misson Accomplished or something.
 
2013-04-06 05:18:57 PM
And here I was, all ready to post Inigo Montoya and complain about subby's lack of grasp on irony. Instead, all you jerks who got here first ruined it for me.
 
2013-04-06 05:20:07 PM
"(The law) is a repressive manoeuvre that favours social peace"

Darn those law makers wanting everyone to have a peaceful day despite some hippies wanting to get all in their faces over tragic things like having the lowest tuition costs in north america being slightly less lower then everywhere else and other socially catastrophic injustices.

/Meanwhile, the french did have that whole revolution thing and I think we're pretty close to due for another one, plus they coined the term sabotage in relation to that.
 
2013-04-06 05:21:18 PM
Kafka tag?
 
2013-04-06 05:21:52 PM

vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.


Just like that song about irony in which nothing mentioned is ironic. I find that ironic.
 
2013-04-06 05:22:24 PM
The OWS morans had this same argument in Portland last year.  The police were willing to shut down roads and assign officers to keep them safe if they'd just tell them their route.  Instead the SEIU and other "anarchists" just marched wherever they felt like and got all pissy when people tried to drive down streets and shiat.  Fark them.
 
2013-04-06 05:23:04 PM

vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


They wouldn't have been fined if they had gotten the permit. Which isn't exactly an incredibly expensive or difficult process.

They got slapped with a big fine because they were morons who thought they were above the law. Tough titties.
 
2013-04-06 05:26:33 PM
Keep hiding in your houses and asking for permission.
 
2013-04-06 05:26:55 PM
Yeah, I'm the guy who always rolls my eyes at people who every post try to say that wasn't ironic, but that wasn't ironic.
 
2013-04-06 05:27:34 PM

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

Lesson #1 on how NOT to have your protest taken seriously:


So right, I mean look at those absurd black costumes.

Hey, why's that panda there?
 
2013-04-06 05:28:07 PM

vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.
 
2013-04-06 05:29:31 PM
Pick up that can, citizen.
 
2013-04-06 05:30:17 PM
Alanis is more ironic then this story.
 
2013-04-06 05:31:08 PM

BarkingUnicorn: vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.

Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.


'Fines' are sanctioned force by those who have a monopoly on force, and have nothing to do with justice.

/whos the victim?
 
2013-04-06 05:41:06 PM
Tests for Irony:

1.) The Two Audience Test. Is it possible that two different audiences could hear the story, but one, with the benefit of extra insight, sees the events in a completely different way?

2.) Can any of the key elements of the story be placed in "quotations" to highlight or underline the ironic element?
 
2013-04-06 05:41:44 PM

Todd300: /whos the victim?


People who want to use the roads?


I'm perfectly fine with it when the state slaps down some anarchist morons for being stupid. Seriously, you give them your route and get your permit, you don't get fined. Magic!
 
2013-04-06 05:45:09 PM

unyon: I wonder what prevents them from outlining their route to include just about anywhere they might go.

As a side note- At Grey Cup 1998 in Vancouver, the city did not allow a parade through the busy downtown.  So a group of fans asked for, and got, a protest permit that included a route.  We had a 'protest' that included fans in costume, mascots, drunken revelry, and several police pipe bands from other cities.  We picked up random citizens along the way and added to our numbers.  We marched down Robson the wrong direction and brought traffic to a standstill.

The people stuck in traffic were generally in favour, The cops wanted to do something, but how do you bust up a parade without looking like assholes?

It was glorious.

/thats how Calgarians roll


*head scratch*?  Grey cup 1998 was in Winterpeg.  I know some Calgarians, they *do* tend to know what city they are in :)

When I drove Taxi in Saskatoon, I did pick up a guy from Edmonton who had no idea what city he was in. He kept asking me to take him to a bar in Edmonton's north end. I kept having to explain to him he was not in Edmonton. Too the point that I put the radio on and asked the other cab drivers what city we were in, when they all responded Saskatoon then he realised I wasn't just trying to fool him.
 
2013-04-06 05:46:17 PM

fusillade762: vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

Just like that song about irony in which nothing mentioned is ironic. I find that ironic.


Well, there's the black fly in the Chardonnay. I was totally expecting it to go for the Riesling because it's sweeter.
 
2013-04-06 05:46:57 PM

AzDownboy: 2.) Can any of the key elements of the story be placed in "quotations" to highlight or underline the ironic element?


Who are you quoting? You mean italics or, as you say, an underline?

Interesting test, though.
 
2013-04-06 05:51:36 PM

SilentStrider: How is this irony?


Maybe it rained.
 
2013-04-06 05:58:14 PM
IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.  GOODNIGHT.
 
2013-04-06 05:58:17 PM
That will teach people to protest.
 
2013-04-06 06:01:45 PM

The Southern Dandy: SilentStrider: How is this irony?

Maybe it rained.


everybody had well pressed shirts? crisp pleats?
 
2013-04-06 06:03:35 PM
Hey grammar nazis.. anne frank here.

According to MW dictionary, the third definition of irony is :


3: a) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result; an event or result marked by such incongruity

wouldn't you say that the intent of their sequence of events was not in line with the actual result?  Whilst i personally believe they INTENDED to get arrested, and it's therefore not ironic, subby was saying they were protesting to change the law, without being arrested.  So, yeah, ironic works here.  Sorry folks, you'll have to find some other trivial thing to feel superior about.
 
2013-04-06 06:05:54 PM
I don't know much about irony, but my gut tells me that this should be tagged as Obvious.

My gut is also gnawing on my backbone right now, so it could be distracted enough to make a bad call.
 
2013-04-06 06:09:16 PM
Irony is saying one thing and meaning another. That's all. Funny or appropriate coincidences are not ironic.
 
2013-04-06 06:16:53 PM
No, this is how you properly protest an improperly written law. I don't know how they do it in Canadia, but in the US, if a law improperly conflicts with the 1st Amendment (by being overly broad or vague or restricting time/place/manner in a way it's not supposed to), standing requirements prevent someone from just taking the thing to court; someone has to have suffered "injury" by the law's enforcement. So you have your parade or whatever in violation of the statute, get fined or arrested, and then proceed to court on the grounds that it was an invalid law.

Then if the court is any good, the law is struck down and you are found not guilty since you can't violate an invalid law. Which, I assume, is what these protestors in Montreal were doing. So good for them.
 
2013-04-06 06:20:00 PM

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

Lesson #1 on how NOT to have your protest taken seriously:
[www.sunnewsnetwork.ca image 431x242]


That panda is there because the Prime Minster of Canada can take the time out to do a photo op with some pandas that are going to the Toronto Zoo, but not meet with mayors who are going on hunger strikes, people that have walked thousands of miles to meet him, etc.

The only way to get the PM's attention seems to be to dress up like a panda.
 
2013-04-06 06:20:08 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble as long as they give the police their route, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
2013-04-06 06:23:32 PM

Todd300: BarkingUnicorn: vartian: FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.

Fines increase until the illegal behavior falls to acceptable levels.  Has nothing to do with economic class, fairness, or justice.

'Fines' are sanctioned force by those who have a monopoly on force, and have nothing to do with justice.

/whos the victim?


It's a cromulently democratic monopoly provided by the ultimate source of power, the victims whose freedom of movement was restricted by the protesters.
 
2013-04-06 06:25:17 PM

fusillade762: vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

Just like that song about irony in which nothing mentioned is ironic. I find that ironic.


A Scotsman cloning a sheep: Now, THAT is ironic.
 
2013-04-06 06:28:02 PM

theMagni: NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

Lesson #1 on how NOT to have your protest taken seriously:
[www.sunnewsnetwork.ca image 431x242]

That panda is there because the Prime Minster of Canada can take the time out to do a photo op with some pandas that are going to the Toronto Zoo, but not meet with mayors who are going on hunger strikes, people that have walked thousands of miles to meet him, etc.

The only way to get the PM's attention seems to be to dress up like a panda.


or export resources.

/Because we cant refine, mill, or manufacture anything on our own anymore or do science. Thanks Steve.
 
2013-04-06 06:36:50 PM
Not ironic. We expect them to not submit a route. It would be ironic if the submitted a route for their protest of the requirement to submit a route.
 
2013-04-06 06:40:03 PM

Mr Rogers is aroused: Whilst i personally believe they INTENDED to get arrested, and it's therefore not ironic, subby was saying they were protesting to change the law, without being arrested.  So, yeah, ironic works here.


Ironic.
 
2013-04-06 06:40:12 PM
Yea I don't click on foxnews north, but if this was in the country of Queebec, this is an unconstitutional law in Canada. And since its not in Canada, well fark the French up their backsides with a 2 day old bagel and then fart in their general direction.

/French law, you are guilty til proved innocent and can be taken into custody for no reason at all.

//English law you are innocent til proved guilty and really shouldn't be held without actual evidence presented of a crime for your future lawsuit against the police. No ticket = No crime = free money!!!

///Damn people getting all uppity, so you gotta slam them young ones down to restore the police state.
 
2013-04-06 06:45:00 PM
Ah yea I forgot...
Charter of Rights and Freedoms: Right to peaceful protest.

/Except when the plain clothes cops meld into the protest to cause a disturbance, in order to allow the uniformed cops to come in and beat heads.

//Read somewhere where at some protest the cops pretending to be protesters wore their cop boots. Ooooooops.
 
2013-04-06 06:45:30 PM
Montreal has a yearly protest against police brutality, held and organised exactly the way the protest in the article went down: no route, no security. The last one, on march 15th. had for the first time in 9 years no broken windows, no fires, and no arrests that didn't have the use of force unjustified. These people want images of cops doing bad things so much one of the arrestees even had a GoPro-camera-equipped helmet.

If you look for police brutality videos on youtube, don't forget one thing: over the last spring, there were over 100 protests in Montreal alone, so editing all of this together isn't too hard.
 
2013-04-06 06:46:22 PM

beta_plus: Progressive liberal socialists, especially of the NDP variety, like being difficult assholes.

What the NDP considers to be peaceful and legal protest.


Did anyone let the cop know he was parking on top of a fire?
 
2013-04-06 06:49:50 PM

vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


Everybody must obey the law because this is a nation of laws

EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING GUNS

GUNS

GUNS

FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP
 
2013-04-06 06:59:46 PM

Gyrfalcon: if a law improperly conflicts with the 1st Amendment (by being overly broad or vague or restricting time/place/manner in a way it's not supposed to), standing requirements prevent someone from just taking the thing to court; someone has to have suffered "injury" by the law's enforcement.


That's horrific.

It's like saying "We can't arrest a guy holding a gun to your mom's head and saying 'give me the money or I shoot the biatch.' but we have to wait until he actually shoots her or accepts money."

farkin' bullshiat.
 
2013-04-06 07:00:11 PM

LordOfThePings: Mr Rogers is aroused: Whilst i personally believe they INTENDED to get arrested, and it's therefore not ironic, subby was saying they were protesting to change the law, without being arrested.  So, yeah, ironic works here.

Ironic.


What I believe and what works aren't related at all.  One is my personal opinion, the other an admission that whilst i dont personally agree, the submitter is correct.  I know I know, we don't do that here.. here being america, not fark.
 
2013-04-06 07:01:26 PM

theMagni: NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

Lesson #1 on how NOT to have your protest taken seriously:
[www.sunnewsnetwork.ca image 431x242]

That panda is there because the Prime Minster of Canada can take the time out to do a photo op with some pandas that are going to the Toronto Zoo, but not meet with mayors who are going on hunger strikes, people that have walked thousands of miles to meet him, etc.

The only way to get the PM's attention seems to be to dress up like a panda.


He knows better than to say "No" to Panda.

www.deviantart.com
 
2013-04-06 07:02:36 PM

vartian: The only thing ironic about this is how little subby understands irony.

NutWrench: Subby, there's a slight difference between a gathering of a few dozen people who stand on the sidewalks and don't impede traffic versus a march of over 300 people who fully intend to make use the streets. But you knew that.

FTA: Police declared the protest illegal and less than 30 minutes later, the city's police force had cornered all the protesters and started fining them $637 each for participating in an illegal assembly.

A fine like that is set up to freeze out mid and lower-income people from even considering the idea of protest. Regardless of the intent or incompetence of the group protesting, that is an absurd penalty.


and it's posts like this that keep you on my favourite list.
agree 100%
 
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