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(Daily Mail)   Transgender high school student wins right to wear dress to prom. No word on whether it will be an original Wang   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 161
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2013-04-06 06:29:45 AM  
This the original Wang, subby:

www.gearslutz.com
 
2013-04-06 06:44:42 AM  
This is a rights issue in 2013?

PHARAOH! LET MY PEOPLE CROSSDRESS!
 
2013-04-06 06:56:37 AM  
Ahh, s/he has derp eyes!
I'll drop the / from s/he when s/he's known for more than a year.  I was pretty sure I was a man, a dolphin, a woman, a forklift, and more born in a man's body when I was 18.
 
2013-04-06 12:06:52 PM  
Hey Subby, way to go for the low hanging fruit
 
2013-04-06 12:06:55 PM  
How does he know that he's transgendered?
 
2013-04-06 12:08:17 PM  
Fake gender, fake drama.  Get over yourselves.
 
2013-04-06 12:09:25 PM  
Did he wear a dress for his yearbook picture? If not, he really isn't committed to the cause.
 
2013-04-06 12:10:14 PM  
The GEDs in psychology are out in force today.
 
2013-04-06 12:10:48 PM  
The article and the submission headline were both badly in need of the term 'Attention Whore'.
 
2013-04-06 12:14:55 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?


The same way you know you're not.

/most of us have known since we were five or younger. If we're lucky, we stop questioning sometime before we hit six feet under.
 
2013-04-06 12:15:21 PM  
That dude makes one ugly chick.  He should probably rethink his strategy.
 
2013-04-06 12:18:23 PM  
How backwards do you have to be to care if someone wears a tux or dress to the prom?
 
2013-04-06 12:20:12 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?


The tricycle seat told him
 
2013-04-06 12:22:44 PM  
A Wang would be for a wedding, not a prom.
 
2013-04-06 12:23:19 PM  

Turfshoe: Hey Subby, way to go for the low hanging fruit


are you serious or is that also a dick joke?
 
2013-04-06 12:24:58 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Son, you got a panty on your head
 
2013-04-06 12:25:29 PM  
God damn he's ugly in a dress.

Should wait till he gets hormone treatment or something first, just in the name of good taste.
 
2013-04-06 12:27:12 PM  

Peki: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

The same way you know you're not.

/most of us have known since we were five or younger. If we're lucky, we stop questioning sometime before we hit six feet under.


The article says that this person just figured it out this year. Now I'm a pretty open minded guy, but I don't think you should call yourself trans if you haven't even started reassignment therapy. I got the impression that this person was going to dress like a woman for prom, but still present as a man during school. If that's the case, then that would mean he's a drag queen, not that she's transgender.
 
2013-04-06 12:28:37 PM  
19? High school? Did Tony do high school wrong? Is that normal?
 
2013-04-06 12:28:40 PM  
But whatever you do don't you make fun of him.

Oh no! I called her "him"! I better stop before she does something stupid.
 
2013-04-06 12:30:28 PM  
I can't fap to any of this.
 
2013-04-06 12:31:10 PM  
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2013-04-06 12:31:16 PM  

twat_waffle: Peki: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

The same way you know you're not.

/most of us have known since we were five or younger. If we're lucky, we stop questioning sometime before we hit six feet under.

The article says that this person just figured it out this year. Now I'm a pretty open minded guy, but I don't think you should call yourself trans if you haven't even started reassignment therapy. I got the impression that this person was going to dress like a woman for prom, but still present as a man during school. If that's the case, then that would mean he's a drag queen, not that she's transgender.


You check your Birth Certificate?

/Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling
 
2013-04-06 12:32:34 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?


How you know you're not, and that you're really the gender you're 'supposed' to be?
Cuz ya just know.

 

DreamSnipers: The article and the submission headline were both badly in need of the term 'Attention Whore'.


Yeah, screw this kid for wanting to go to their own prom -I mean, really, the nerve of some people.
 
2013-04-06 12:33:36 PM  

Ima4nic8or: That dude makes one ugly chick.  He should probably rethink his strategy.


That's a good point.  He should tailor his decisions and identity more to match your opinion of his appearance.
 
2013-04-06 12:34:08 PM  

TheZorker: You check your Birth Certificate?

/Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling


From what I've been told, transgender types 'think' different from the sex they're assigned at human spawning.

They feel uncomfy so they feel the need to alter their bodies because they know better than nature.

I'm ok with that, because humans should be allowed to do whatever to themselves. But school life isn't fair, soooooo...
 
2013-04-06 12:34:46 PM  
Everybody should go wearing kilts to show their support.
 
2013-04-06 12:37:20 PM  
Cant see the harm, so long as he's not just trying to be funny / edgy, in order to get a laugh out of his buds in his Auto Shop Repair class.

Half the girls in my class kind of looked liked he does all dolled up anyway.

/ not a good crop...
 
2013-04-06 12:37:27 PM  
I thought he was going to wear a Klinger Original...

www.geocities.ws
 
2013-04-06 12:37:39 PM  

TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling


You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.
 
2013-04-06 12:37:55 PM  
This person may or may not be transgendered, it's the Daily Mail so I'm going to take most of the details with a shovel of salt but seriously? You choose that wig, that ugly blond wig for you choice of hair? Ew.
 
2013-04-06 12:38:28 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: This the original Wang, subby:

[www.gearslutz.com image 400x300]


I was programming on that in '69.
 
2013-04-06 12:39:00 PM  
Go away, attention whore.
 
2013-04-06 12:39:42 PM  

Maggie_Luna: This person may or may not be transgendered, it's the Daily Mail so I'm going to take most of the details with a shovel of salt but seriously? You choose that wig, that ugly blond wig for you choice of hair? Ew.


i6.photobucket.com

/jeeeeez.
 
2013-04-06 12:40:25 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

Or, you know, we could just stop caring what types of clothes are suitable for what gender.  So someone wants to wear a dress, big whoop.
 
2013-04-06 12:40:43 PM  

Hollie Maea: TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.


I'd think there'd be more a societal interest than a psychological one.
 
2013-04-06 12:41:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?


Easy- so easy, in fact, anyone sitting at their computer can do it RIGHT NOW!

First, ask yourself:  Am I (a) male or (b) female?  Hold that answer in your head.

Now here is where it gets tricky- open your pants or lift your dress, and check your genitalia.  Do you have (a) a penis or (b) a vagina?  Look closely and make sure you're right.  Hold that answer in your head.

Now, compare your answers to these two questions.  Did you answer both with (a) or both with (b)?  Congratulations, you are a part of that mighty fraternity/sorority of cisgendered people that has existed since the dawn of the ages!

But what if your answers differ?  Well that's just fine too- you're awesomely transgendered!  While your fraternity or sorority might not be as massive, they are there to welcome you with open arms for strength and solidarity.  And while organized transperson support groups may be a relatively new thing, know that the condition of your being has been around just as long as being cis.

But remember that no matter what your answer is, there are those of us out there who love, cherish, and accept you without condition, for your genitals are far less important to us than your hearts.

=)
 
2013-04-06 12:43:30 PM  

radarlove: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

Easy- so easy, in fact, anyone sitting at their computer can do it RIGHT NOW!

First, ask yourself:  Am I (a) male or (b) female?  Hold that answer in your head.

Now here is where it gets tricky- open your pants or lift your dress, and check your genitalia.  Do you have (a) a penis or (b) a vagina?  Look closely and make sure you're right.  Hold that answer in your head.

Now, compare your answers to these two questions.  Did you answer both with (a) or both with (b)?  Congratulations, you are a part of that mighty fraternity/sorority of cisgendered people that has existed since the dawn of the ages!

But what if your answers differ?  Well that's just fine too- you're awesomely transgendered!  While your fraternity or sorority might not be as massive, they are there to welcome you with open arms for strength and solidarity.  And while organized transperson support groups may be a relatively new thing, know that the condition of your being has been around just as long as being cis.

But remember that no matter what your answer is, there are those of us out there who love, cherish, and accept you without condition, for your genitals are far less important to us than your hearts.

=)


I'd say that a professional would be better at making that statement than a person.

Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?

Most people are grossly uneducated and prefer to use 'feelings' instead of analytical thinking.
 
2013-04-06 12:43:48 PM  

megarian: 19? High school? Did Tony do high school wrong? Is that normal?


Depending on your birthday it could be normal. All so there is a school of thought that boys shouldn't start school until they are six for maturity reasons.

Some (and this is really messed up) admit their boys later so they will be older and bigger than their classmates. This is so they will have an advantage in sports.
 
2013-04-06 12:44:01 PM  

radarlove: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

Easy- so easy, in fact, anyone sitting at their computer can do it RIGHT NOW!

First, ask yourself:  Am I (a) male or (b) female?  Hold that answer in your head.

Now here is where it gets tricky- open your pants or lift your dress, and check your genitalia.  Do you have (a) a penis or (b) a vagina?  Look closely and make sure you're right.  Hold that answer in your head.



...can I do a hands-on check of my genitalia instead of just a visual check?
 
2013-04-06 12:49:22 PM  
If my half-brother was transgender, does that mean that in reality I have a quarter-sister as well as a quarter-brother?
 
2013-04-06 12:52:52 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?


Would you trust someone's self-diagnosis of their sexual orientation?
 
2013-04-06 12:54:59 PM  

Peki: /most of us have known since we were five or younger.


FTA:

Zamazal said she finally realized she was transgender in the last few months

Sounds suspect to me.  A couple months with a self diagnosis.

I don't care however, as to the article.  Let people wear what they want.
 
2013-04-06 12:55:52 PM  

ChromoSomes: If my half-brother was transgender, does that mean that in reality I have a quarter-sister as well as a quarter-brother?


Great fark handle for the thread...heh
 
2013-04-06 12:57:15 PM  

Summoner101: How backwards do you have to be to care if someone wears a tux or dress to the prom?


Pretty farking backwards.

/the scary part is that they're everywhere, and they think that they're in the right
 
2013-04-06 12:57:37 PM  
Wearing a dress to a prom isn't a right. It's a privilege, like voting.
 
2013-04-06 12:58:23 PM  

twat_waffle: Peki: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

The same way you know you're not.

/most of us have known since we were five or younger. If we're lucky, we stop questioning sometime before we hit six feet under.

The article says that this person just figured it out this year. Now I'm a pretty open minded guy, but I don't think you should call yourself trans if you haven't even started reassignment therapy. I got the impression that this person was going to dress like a woman for prom, but still present as a man during school. If that's the case, then that would mean he's a drag queen, not that she's transgender.


Newsflash for you: Not all transgendered people WANT to change their bodies, they just don't feel "right" in them. For example, I'm a female body that wants to be a hermaphrodite. You really think there's a psychologist that would write me off for reassignment surgery or hormones? Not that I know of. Plus, transititioning would mean losing my relationship with my fiancé, and that's not something I'm willing to sacrifice. I'm perfectly happy with the parts I have, will never be totally happy with my body, but, eh, whatever, I can deal with it. I don't need perfection. I express my gender in other ways, through my appearance and behaviour (and again, fortunately my fiancé is supportive; my community, not so much).

Try stepping outside your little box of experience and realize that different people are. . . different! I didn't figure out I was bi until I was 17 (by contrast, my parents knew when I was 11), and realizing I was "transgendered" didn't come until 26 or so. I always knew I was different, and had a male alter ego as a child, but didn't adopt the label until I felt comfortable with it. Bisexuality was a lot easier to come to terms with than my gender.

It's like having a disease all your life, but not knowing what it's called until you're an adult. (Not saying LGBTQRSTUV is a disease, just noting the similarity in perspective) You've always known something was off, you just couldn't put a name to it.
 
2013-04-06 12:59:47 PM  

Sheseala: Or, you know, we could just stop caring what types of clothes are suitable for what gender.  So someone wants to wear a dress, big whoop.


This was fantastic.
 
2013-04-06 01:00:16 PM  
Oh boy, it's our weely transphobia/minute of hate for transgendered people thread!

TheZorker: You check your Birth Certificate?

/Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling


Uh, yeah, you're either trolling or completely ignorant.

Gender has nothing to do with biological sex. You can be a biological male, and develop the brain chemistry and physiology of female. This is also not a new thing. It's been floating around since the late 80s.
 
2013-04-06 01:02:00 PM  

To those of you that have an issue with the person figuring out they are Transgendered within the past few months: fark. You.


I didn't know I was transgendered until I was 31.


Like someone said (better) earlier: Better to know late than be miserable your whole life not knowing (or being able to come out of the closet) who you TRULY are.

 
2013-04-06 01:02:03 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: Capo Del Bandito: Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?

Would you trust someone's self-diagnosis of their sexual orientation?


Maybe, but only taken with a grain of salt. I doubt the person to put it in to proper wording, or with any proper assessment.

Anecdotal bullshiat is hardly the way to go.
 
2013-04-06 01:02:56 PM  

Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:


Today I went to McDonalds with my genderqueer non-binary friend. I had a Big Mac, strawberry milkshake and fries and xi had a salad and a water because xi is watching xir weight. We were sitting eating and shooting the shiat and we overheard a little kid talking to his/her brother/sister (sorry I don't know these kids' gender identities - their mom called them boys but you can never be too sure, and considering the cissexist bullshiat that was about to come out of this woman's mouth, i wouldn't be surprised if they were girls)
Kid B (the younger one) says to Kid A, "you're a lesbian!" and quick as a flash, their mother says, "Boys can't be lesbians, eat your hamburger."
I MEAN WHAT THE fark?! This is so problematic! I almost jumped over the table and punched that biatch in the ear. I mean SO MANY THINGS WRONG with what she said to the poor kid. Boys CAN be lesbians if they identify as lesbians. I have a number of cis male lesbian friends. She was erasing their entire lived experiences with such a small statement. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The kid was like five years old. How does she know that the kid wouldn't grow up to identify as a lesbian! Scumbags like this are why I firmly believe cis scum biatches should keep their legs closed and quit breeding. fark the cis hetero patriarchy!
 
2013-04-06 01:03:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: 19? High school? Did Tony do high school wrong? Is that normal?

Depending on your birthday it could be normal. All so there is a school of thought that boys shouldn't start school until they are six for maturity reasons.

Some (and this is really messed up) admit their boys later so they will be older and bigger than their classmates. This is so they will have an advantage in sports.


I have a late birthday and I was always in a weird place in terms of age in high school, but I can see that. And starting boys later just so they're bigger? Really?! That sounds like a terrible idea...I get it, but yikes...
 
2013-04-06 01:04:19 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Maybe, but only taken with a grain of salt. I doubt the person to put it in to proper wording, or with any proper assessment.

Anecdotal bullshiat is hardly the way to go.


Except for the fact that if they are going through a transition and living as the gender they seek to become, it's not a "self assessment", but rather an assessment made after seeing numerous physicians and experts in the fields of psychiatric, endocrine, and developmental medicine.

Being a transgendered individual is not something someone can suddenly up and decide to do in a day's time. It's not crossdressing, and it's not a sexual fetish.
 
2013-04-06 01:05:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: Capo Del Bandito: Maybe, but only taken with a grain of salt. I doubt the person to put it in to proper wording, or with any proper assessment.

Anecdotal bullshiat is hardly the way to go.

Except for the fact that if they are going through a transition and living as the gender they seek to become, it's not a "self assessment", but rather an assessment made after seeing numerous physicians and experts in the fields of psychiatric, endocrine, and developmental medicine.

Being a transgendered individual is not something someone can suddenly up and decide to do in a day's time. It's not crossdressing, and it's not a sexual fetish.


OH! So this student is just an attention whore!

We got that.
 
2013-04-06 01:06:05 PM  
Christ, there are a lot of mansplaining experts in this thread.
 
2013-04-06 01:06:18 PM  
Peki LGBTQRSTUV

Good god how do you remember that?! And in the correct order? When talking is there a way to pronounce that or do you have to rattle the letters everytime? And do subgroups get pissy if you just list off LGBT at the support group meeting? Or do you have to say the whole thing every time?
 
2013-04-06 01:06:27 PM  
They should only allow this if they force all the girls to wear dresses and boys to wear pants.
 
2013-04-06 01:07:16 PM  

WhippingBoy: They should only allow this if they force all the girls to wear dresses and boys to wear pants.


I'm about 80% sure they already do that.
 
2013-04-06 01:08:44 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: OH! So this student is just an attention whore!

We got that.


And your rationale for that statement is?

How dare she want to dress as her gender, right.
 
2013-04-06 01:09:32 PM  

hardinparamedic: Capo Del Bandito: OH! So this student is just an attention whore!

We got that.

And your rationale for that statement is?

How dare she want to dress as her gender, right.


How dare you try to enforce gender stereotypes, right.
 
xcv
2013-04-06 01:11:14 PM  

letrole: Wearing a dress to a prom isn't a right. It's a privilege, like voting.


If the kid wants to wear either a dress, a tuxedo, a fursuit, blackface (for the trans-racial individuals) or all four simultaneously, let them; prom is for the students.
 
2013-04-06 01:12:13 PM  

Koodz: Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:


I've had a few people ask me if I prefer gender-neutral pronouns. They're awkward, so I don't really care. I dig the fark out of it when someone calls me a guy though (for example when I was younger and had a not-so-prominent chest, I'd often get called sir or boy--made me feel all kinds of warm and fuzzy inside). I also am one of the few alternately gendered who have an issue with a male calling himself a lesbian; that label is usually reserved for female bodies who are happy with their female bodies who like to bork other female bodies, who are generally, but not always, happy with their female bodies as well. If the male is trans and calling herself a lezzie? No problem, I can wrap my brain around that one easy.

/yes, blowing the definition of words is fun, but we still need to have at least a few we agree on, or communication is impossible
 
2013-04-06 01:12:20 PM  

WhippingBoy: How dare you try to enforce gender stereotypes, right.


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2013-04-06 01:12:44 PM  

hardinparamedic: And your rationale for that statement is?

How dare she want to dress as her gender, right.


Read the other bits in the thread: It takes assessment from professionals before you declare yourself "I BE IN DAH WRONG BODY".

I really *really* have a hatred for self diagnosis of mental/emotional/biological things in nature.

It would appear this kid is doing it for attention.
 
2013-04-06 01:14:33 PM  
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey
 
2013-04-06 01:15:16 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Peki LGBTQRSTUV

Good god how do you remember that?! And in the correct order? When talking is there a way to pronounce that or do you have to rattle the letters everytime? And do subgroups get pissy if you just list off LGBT at the support group meeting? Or do you have to say the whole thing every time?


"RSTUV" get it? had me fooled too. i was thinking they must just be farking with us now.
 
2013-04-06 01:15:45 PM  

Repo Man: "I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey


This. I've wasted too much of my life being open minded.
 
2013-04-06 01:16:37 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Peki LGBTQRSTUV

Good god how do you remember that?! And in the correct order? When talking is there a way to pronounce that or do you have to rattle the letters everytime? And do subgroups get pissy if you just list off LGBT at the support group meeting? Or do you have to say the whole thing every time?


LOL. It's an inside joke. The letters are usually pronounced individually, and yes, usually all of it, every time.  The G and the L get switched, but last I remember, it went something like: LGBTQP (Les, Gay, Bi, Trans(both gender and sexual), Queer, Pansexual). Therefore: Most people in the community will just call it "alphabet soup." As in, "So I went to a meeting with the alphabet soup relations committee."
 
2013-04-06 01:17:33 PM  

Peki: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Peki LGBTQRSTUV

Good god how do you remember that?! And in the correct order? When talking is there a way to pronounce that or do you have to rattle the letters everytime? And do subgroups get pissy if you just list off LGBT at the support group meeting? Or do you have to say the whole thing every time?

LOL. It's an inside joke. The letters are usually pronounced individually, and yes, usually all of it, every time.  The G and the L get switched, but last I remember, it went something like: LGBTQP (Les, Gay, Bi, Trans(both gender and sexual), Queer, Pansexual). Therefore: Most people in the community will just call it "alphabet soup." As in, "So I went to a meeting with the alphabet soup relations committee."


LGTBBQ: Because no one hates a BBQ.
 
2013-04-06 01:17:49 PM  
Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.
 
2013-04-06 01:18:21 PM  

megarian: The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: 19? High school? Did Tony do high school wrong? Is that normal?

Depending on your birthday it could be normal. All so there is a school of thought that boys shouldn't start school until they are six for maturity reasons.

Some (and this is really messed up) admit their boys later so they will be older and bigger than their classmates. This is so they will have an advantage in sports.

I have a late birthday and I was always in a weird place in terms of age in high school, but I can see that. And starting boys later just so they're bigger? Really?! That sounds like a terrible idea...I get it, but yikes...


The worse part is that you know that the kid is going to be forced into sports, odds are the dad is living though the kid, and academics will take a backseat.

The only funny part is that the dad's brag about the idea!!
 
2013-04-06 01:18:47 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: I'd say that a professional would be better at making that statement than a person.


Probably, as there are many psychologists out there who specialize in helping transpeople figure themselves out.  But you don't just walk into their office and sit down and they look you over and say, "Nope, faking it." or "Probably just a paraphilia because of your shiatty wig."  No, they talk with you.  They ask you questions.  And the answer that is most influential to the headshrinker is the one that comes after the question, "Who are you?"

Capo Del Bandito: Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?


You mean do I go around asking people to violate HIPAA and fork over their medical paperwork to prove any condition they claim to me?  Not really.  If a coughing fella comes up to me and says he's got Tuberculosis, I'm backing the hell away.  You tell me you've got PTSD because a mentally handicapped Iraqi girl blew herself up and her face landed in your lap?  Sit with me and smoke this J, friend.  Walk up to me in a half-assed dime-store wig and swear to me that there's a pretty lady living deep inside of you?  Well darlin', that's just fine.  Now let me give you the number of some girls who can really help with your look.

For the purposes of this exercise, they don't need to know who they are better than a trained professional who has been dealing with them for years does, they simply have to know who they are better than i do.  Or better than you do.  Or better than an internet message board does.  And that's a really, REALLY easy threshold to cross, so the point goes to them.

Capo Del Bandito: Most people are grossly uneducated and prefer to use 'feelings' instead of analytical thinking.


Feelings still require analysis.  Nobody ever doesn't engage in analytical thinking.  It's just how thinking happens.  You may disagree with the result or find it illogical but it doesn't mean they didn't use analytical thinking to arrive at that point.

You make a lot of assumptions about people based on what you perceive to be a position of higher standing that you hold.  You should be a lot more careful about that.  Pride cometh before a fall.

FirstNationalBastard: radarlove: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

Easy- so easy, in fact, anyone sitting at their computer can do it RIGHT NOW!

First, ask yourself:  Am I (a) male or (b) female?  Hold that answer in your head.

Now here is where it gets tricky- open your pants or lift your dress, and check your genitalia.  Do you have (a) a penis or (b) a vagina?  Look closely and make sure you're right.  Hold that answer in your head.


...can I do a hands-on check of my genitalia instead of just a visual check?


Just lemme know if you need a second opinion....RAWR!   ;-D
 
2013-04-06 01:18:56 PM  

Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.


can't leave them out. they're a ball at parties.
 
2013-04-06 01:19:01 PM  

TomD9938: Cant see the harm, so long as he's not just trying to be funny / edgy, in order to get a laugh out of his buds in his Auto Shop Repair class.


I don't know this individual, but I'm willing to go on record as saying that I'm pretty sure it's not that.
 
2013-04-06 01:20:03 PM  

Peki: Because People in power are Stupid: How does he know that he's transgendered?

The same way you know you're not.

/most of us have known since we were five or younger. If we're lucky, we stop questioning sometime before we hit six feet under.


So everyone with a dick is transgendered?
 
2013-04-06 01:20:17 PM  
As to being 19 in high school- it's not always the kids fault.  Our daughter will be 19 in high school because her idiot alcoholic biological mother told my husband that she was going to "homeschool" the kids, when in reality, all she did was drink all day.  So, our daughter lost a whole year of school.

I feel so bad for her that she has to explain why she's older than the rest of her class, but we've got her on the right track right now and in a magnet school
 
2013-04-06 01:20:25 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: hardinparamedic: And your rationale for that statement is?

How dare she want to dress as her gender, right.

Read the other bits in the thread: It takes assessment from professionals before you declare yourself "I BE IN DAH WRONG BODY".

I really *really* have a hatred for self diagnosis of mental/emotional/biological things in nature.

It would appear this kid is doing it for attention.


And you also have to remember this is the Daily Fail presenting the story. They put in just enough detail to make the average low class British white trash snob that frequents it's pages feel righteous outrage and fury that X is happening, and those dirty (Lizard People/Immigrants at the BBC/Nig Nogs/'Muricans - insert group here) are responsible for it.

A good rule of thumb is never to believe anything that the Daily Mail presents on anything involving GLBTQ, Human Rights, Medicine, or Science. They're just barely a step above the National Enquirier. And at least they're entertaining with Bat Boy.
 
2013-04-06 01:20:34 PM  

nburghmatt: Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.

can't leave them out. they're a ball at parties.


Say what you want, but they always bring awesome appetizers (have to eat something doing all that talking). ;)
 
2013-04-06 01:21:32 PM  

Hey Capo Del Bandito, you DO know there is a difference between Transgender and Transsexual, right?


And you DO know that there is NO such thing as a timeline for figuring out if you feel you are the wrong gender and want to come out. Same thing if you figure out if you are the wrong sex and want to permn change that.


So, no, the kid is NOT doing it for attention. I am so sick to death of people labeling anyone that is Transgender or Transsexual and DARES to come out as an "attention whore". fark all of you!

 
2013-04-06 01:22:35 PM  

Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.


So, serious question: do you go to Michfest? You're WbW no matter what you identify as, so you can legit get in, as opposed to WbOthers.
 
2013-04-06 01:27:56 PM  

willfullyobscure: Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.

So, serious question: do you go to Michfest? You're WbW no matter what you identify as, so you can legit get in, as opposed to WbOthers.


I have no idea what Michfest is. If it's in Michigan, I'm in Los Angeles, so definitely not.

/Nice on the WbW, took me a minute. Usually I get called a GG (genuine girl).
 
2013-04-06 01:29:00 PM  
Please, oh please.  Just make sure he shaves his arms and legs and any back that shows.
 
2013-04-06 01:29:55 PM  

Peki: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Peki LGBTQRSTUV

Good god how do you remember that?! And in the correct order? When talking is there a way to pronounce that or do you have to rattle the letters everytime? And do subgroups get pissy if you just list off LGBT at the support group meeting? Or do you have to say the whole thing every time?

LOL. It's an inside joke. The letters are usually pronounced individually, and yes, usually all of it, every time.  The G and the L get switched, but last I remember, it went something like: LGBTQP (Les, Gay, Bi, Trans(both gender and sexual), Queer, Pansexual). Therefore: Most people in the community will just call it "alphabet soup." As in, "So I went to a meeting with the alphabet soup relations committee."


The first line of my post was "what the hell is that alphabet soup?!"

For people who are offended on a daily basis I would think that be offensive would be the ultimate no-no. But I have to admit it made me laugh thinking about a bunch of people standing around spending hours of their life spelling this out ever. single. time.
 
2013-04-06 01:30:11 PM  
She needs to skip the dress and pick up a better wig... or let her hair grow out.
 
2013-04-06 01:30:19 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: sudo give me more cowbell: Capo Del Bandito: Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?

Would you trust someone's self-diagnosis of their sexual orientation?

Maybe, but only taken with a grain of salt. I doubt the person to put it in to proper wording, or with any proper assessment.

Anecdotal bullshiat is hardly the way to go.


Maybe ?!
So you might think that you're into chicks, but you know what, I think you'd better get a doctor to decide whether you really like to suck dick...

gimme a farking break, dude. If you're gay or straight, you know it. If you're trans or not, you know it. In both cases, sometimes it takes a long time to admit it, and be willing to stand up to the ubiquitous social bigotry directed towards such people, but you still know it.

a decade or two ago, you'd be the one saying that gay people need electroshock therapy to cure their "illness" -unfortunately some people never learn their lessons from history.
 
2013-04-06 01:31:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: Gender has nothing to do with biological sex. You can be a biological male, and develop the brain chemistry and physiology of female.


There's a higher category for things like brain chemistry and physiology.  They both fall under biology.

And hence, are not psychological.

Gender and sex are much the same thing to science.  A gender role, not so much, that's more of a social thing, and as such it is a psychological issue.

I say fark it all.  Describing your psychological state with masculine/feminine is no better than what most are trying to replace.  "Dress like a man" or "That is women's work", or worse yet, "Think like a woman."  Perpetuates the exact same prejudice sentiments.

So you're a guy who likes to wear dresses and wants to be a nurse. big farking deal.  Be prepared to face some odd looks, no different than any emo/goth kid who wants to express with wild hair and eyeshadow, no different than a juggalo who wants to wear ICP gear and make-up to a job interview, or the people who wear bizarre clothes to walmart.(ie people of walmart dot com).

That kind of personal taste cannot be eradicated.  As long as we find some things pleasing we'll also find some things repellant.  That's normal human psychology.(doesn't mean we have to act on that, mind you, but controlling some things like a twitch or a first reaction is near impossible).

The only thing that "gender" can describe is body type(physiology, IE a muscular female is atypical of a person of those genes but is common among males, ergo masculine)....  Anything else feeds that binary structure you all claim to be fighting against.

Peki: Try stepping outside your little box of experience and realize that different people are. . . different!


We are who we are.  Some of us are this way and are fine with it, some of us have biological causes to our situation, some of us may not want to be this way(heresy to the movement, I know), and some of us have some purely psychological motivators.

As you yourself stated, we're all different.  So you both claim to be OppositeGender X, but what's accurate for one may be a severe psychological disorder in another.

If we doubt this kid who just recently "discovered" it, that does not express what we think about you.  Remember, it takes all types, the same absolutes do not apply to everyone, you said so yourself.

Waking up one day and being different(ie a discovery) can be a symptom of a mental break.  Could have psychological causes or biological causes, and if those things are recent they may be treated.  Maybe his parents or someone he grew up with were sexually abusive, maybe something in his diet has caused a severe hormone flux(or did in the past while he was developing).

The more we can study and observe and puzzle out, the better we'll all be.  Wouldn't it be great if you could take a pill and have your physical sex naturally change and rearrange itself?  Or if we actually isolated a cause for the developmental differences.  No, I'm not suggesting you need "fixed" but if say, we learned the exact thing that caused the mismatched body image and could take early steps at treatment.  Please attempt to refrain from reactionary knee-jerking and read the whole thing in an example form:

How it is now:
A "boy" who grew up thinking he was a girl, had an abstract depression over his body not having the right parts, not even mentioning the social interactions that exacerbate the problem..

What it could be:
A girl is born and grows up normally.

Is that so bad?
If it is, I move that you're a bit mentally flawed.
 
2013-04-06 01:32:47 PM  

sudo give me more cowbell: Capo Del Bandito: sudo give me more cowbell: Capo Del Bandito: Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?

Would you trust someone's self-diagnosis of their sexual orientation?

Maybe, but only taken with a grain of salt. I doubt the person to put it in to proper wording, or with any proper assessment.

Anecdotal bullshiat is hardly the way to go.

Maybe ?!
So you might think that you're into chicks, but you know what, I think you'd better get a doctor to decide whether you really like to suck dick...


I've seen porno movies that start out like that...
 
2013-04-06 01:35:40 PM  

Hollie Maea: TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.


But that psychological component is *social*.

If we promote the idea of the individual, rather than Masculine/Feminine, then "Trans-sexual" could simply go away.

Playing with Dolls is:
1) OK For Boys and Girls
2) Only OK for Girls
3) Only OK for Girls, so you need to be a girl.

Before you yell too loudly, consider flipping the gender and saying "Playing Sports professionally."

Then read this article: http://www.gamespot.com/features/denial-of-the-self-queer-characters- i n-persona-4-6404712/

Then realize 'she' is actually saying:this is true for detectives in Japan.
 
2013-04-06 01:41:36 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: 19? High school? Did Tony do high school wrong? Is that normal?

Depending on your birthday it could be normal. All so there is a school of thought that boys shouldn't start school until they are six for maturity reasons.

Some (and this is really messed up) admit their boys later so they will be older and bigger than their classmates. This is so they will have an advantage in sports.

I have a late birthday and I was always in a weird place in terms of age in high school, but I can see that. And starting boys later just so they're bigger? Really?! That sounds like a terrible idea...I get it, but yikes...

The worse part is that you know that the kid is going to be forced into sports, odds are the dad is living though the kid, and academics will take a backseat.

The only funny part is that the dad's brag about the idea!!


*snerk*
 
2013-04-06 01:43:09 PM  

TheZorker: If we promote the idea of the individual, rather than Masculine/Feminine, then "Trans-sexual" could simply go away.


This is what I was on about above, if we truly ignore stereotypical behaviors and let people do what they want, attention whores are no longer as special for being "different".

It's a win/win.  there's less hate and fear, and attention whores starve to death because they can't mask their behavior in a just cause.
 
2013-04-06 01:50:19 PM  
letrole: Wearing a dress to a prom isn't a right. It's a privilege, like voting.

xcv: If the kid wants to wear either a dress, a tuxedo, a fursuit, blackface (for the trans-racial individuals) or all four simultaneously, let them; prom is for the students.


If you must be given permission to do something, then it's not a right. If something requires cooperation from others to achieve, or if others are compelled to give assistance, then it's not a right.

The prom has conditions for attendance such as being a student at the given school, or going as the date of a student, and you're not 18. If you meet the conditions, you have that privilege.

You cannot hold a prom through your own efforts -- at the very best, you can walk around the woods all alone wearing your best suit whilst sneaking shots of gin from a thermos.

So attending a prom is a privilege for a hermaphrodite.
 
2013-04-06 01:52:38 PM  

Koodz: Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:


Today I went to McDonalds with my genderqueer non-binary friend. I had a Big Mac, strawberry milkshake and fries and xi had a salad and a water because xi is watching xir weight. We were sitting eating and shooting the shiat and we overheard a little kid talking to his/her brother/sister (sorry I don't know these kids' gender identities - their mom called them boys but you can never be too sure, and considering the cissexist bullshiat that was about to come out of this woman's mouth, i wouldn't be surprised if they were girls)
Kid B (the younger one) says to Kid A, "you're a lesbian!" and quick as a flash, their mother says, "Boys can't be lesbians, eat your hamburger."
I MEAN WHAT THE fark?! This is so problematic! I almost jumped over the table and punched that biatch in the ear. I mean SO MANY THINGS WRONG with what she said to the poor kid. Boys CAN be lesbians if they identify as lesbians. I have a number of cis male lesbian friends. She was erasing their entire lived experiences with such a small statement. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The kid was like five years old. How does she know that the kid wouldn't grow up to identify as a lesbian! Scumbags like this are why I firmly believe cis scum biatches should keep their legs closed and quit breeding. fark the cis hetero patriarchy!


I hope you are trolling.  Men have penises.  Women have vaginas.  You can play house and make up funny new words to make your friends feel all grown up and accepted if you want.. but it's weird.  It's not genetically sound, and its an abomination.

If we start accepting applications to change reality from what it has been, where do we stop?  Is pedophilia just a way of life that isn't accepted yet?  Is farking animals okay, and we are just behind the curve on that?  What about trees?  They have some very attractive knots in them.. I bet my junk would fit.

Man + Woman = baby.  All the other shiat is just us genetically, historically normal folk feeling guilty and letting you weirdos play along.  If you don't know what gender you are, and aren't interested in SACRIFICING to create a family, like the 50 generations before you, than you don't belong on this planet.  Lucky for you, your 50+ grandfathers, gay or not, knew they had to penetrate some vagina so you could have the privilege of opting out of life.  grow up.  man up.
 
2013-04-06 01:55:25 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Gender and sex are much the same thing to science. A gender role, not so much, that's more of a social thing, and as such it is a psychological issue.


Actually it's not... and there's actually three different levels of sex in and of itself (genetic, gonadal, phenotypic), and there are biochemical and genetic diseases that illustrate when congruency of those three breaks down. Gender is more mental than structural, but even mental disorders have been shown to show structural changes from "normal" brains.
 
2013-04-06 01:55:34 PM  

Mr Rogers is aroused: It's not genetically sound, and its an abomination.


Citation.
 
2013-04-06 01:56:30 PM  
Mr Rogers is aroused:
Man + Woman = baby.  All the other shiat is just us genetically, historically normal folk feeling guilty and letting you weirdos play along.  If you don't know what gender you are, and aren't interested in SACRIFICING to create a family, like the 50 generations before you, than you don't belong on this planet.  Lucky for you, your 50+ grandfathers, gay or not, knew they had to penetrate some vagina so you could have the privilege of opting out of life.  grow up.  man up.

Oh, look, the sad, pathetic, people who think children are the only reason for living have shown up!

Let's all laugh at them, and maybe try to explain that the "miracle" of life has spread to the point that it threatens to destroy the planet.
 
2013-04-06 01:56:45 PM  

Mr Rogers is aroused: create a family, like the 50 generations before you, than you don't belong on this planet.


Since you haven't created a family yet yourself (can't imagine anyone would want to breed with such a winner) why don't you go first?
 
2013-04-06 01:58:18 PM  

omeganuepsilon: How it is now:A "boy" who grew up thinking he was a girl, had an abstract depression over his body not having the right parts, not even mentioning the social interactions that exacerbate the problem..What it could be:A girl is born and grows up normally.Is that so bad?If it is, I move that you're a bit mentally flawed.


Eh. Yes, it would be great if people didn't have to experience that, but people do, so can we deal with what is? I'm also not a person who is big on eugenics; the nature/nurture argument and the treatment of being alternately gendered in similar terms as a disease makes me uncomfortable. For example, yes, I feel I have the wrong body, but no, it's not wrong enough to make me want to do something about it. If I had been born a hermaphrodite, I wouldn't have the life and the relationship I have. I wouldn't have the knowledge and experience and compassion towards the LGBTQ community that I do. I might have better, but there are things I don't want to lose. I'm okay with that.

Would I want it for my daughter/son? I think most of the issues with being different right now are social. Being different, i would like to think I'll have an easier time than my parents did helping my child negotiate any gender questions--it's hard to confront a parent with "I'm bi" when that parent has stated that bi people are cowards. I've also found a community that is much more educated and informed than the average joe; this is a group of people that starts talking about trans feelings to kindergartners, so that any child with such feelings can be identified early and given any additional support they may need. I never stop questioning my own sexual identity, but with my own kid, I would like to think the questioning would be a source of curiosity and enjoyment and excitement, instead of anxiety and depression and self-loathing.

During a test for gender (that was actually pretty helpful), one of the questions was: "How would you feel if you suddenly woke up in a world where, due to uniforms, you could not tell the gender/sex of the person you are talking to?" This describes my ideal world, where I don't have to worry about people judging me because my actions don't match my body, or judging my morality because my dress doesn't match what they think my gender should wear. An example here: If you're female, go and sit in a bus and spread your legs, sit like a guy. You'll get glares. Same, if you're a guy, and you hold a purse on your lap with your legs crosses. There are SO many things that are gendered that we don't even realize. Can I just be me, and not have to worry about whether or not you think I'm an inappropriate role model for your kids just because my knees hurt and I don't want to cross my legs?
 
2013-04-06 02:02:44 PM  
Mr Rogers is aroused: It's not genetically sound, and its an abomination.

The My Little Pony Killer: Citation.


Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.
 
2013-04-06 02:10:23 PM  
As someone going to a therapist next week for gender identity issues, I'm getting a kick out of this...

/This thread seems to have gone about as well as most TG threads on Fark
 
2013-04-06 02:15:59 PM  

Hollie Maea: TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.


Yes, and they almost all agree that gender confused individuals are mentally ILL.
 
2013-04-06 02:17:35 PM  

Quinsisdos: As someone going to a therapist next week for gender identity issues, I'm getting a kick out of this...

/This thread seems to have gone about as well as most TG threads on Fark


No matter what decisions you make in your life, and no matter who you are, I love you, recognize your specialness and importance in life, and will always make room for you in my heart.  =)
 
2013-04-06 02:19:23 PM  

Kahabut: Hollie Maea: TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.

Yes, and they almost all agree that gender confused individuals are mentally ILL.


I almost never say this, but HOLY shiat CITATION MOTHERfarkING NEEDED.
 
2013-04-06 02:20:29 PM  

Hollie Maea: TheZorker:

/Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.


You're both off.

Gender is psychological and social, how you "feel" and how people treat you (or how you want them too). In this case the applicable terms are masculine and feminine: just this year this dude decided he was feminine That's fine with me, the more femme boys the better.

What you both are probably thinking of is SEX, not gender: usually a person is either clearly male (like this dude) or clearly female, though some people because of hormonal problems in utero have genitalia that are not so easy to describe as male or female.

Gender and sex are two different things.

Society usually expects people with male genitalia to be gendered as masculine and those with female genitalia to be feminine but this ain't necessarily the case. I myself have bween back & forth between butch & femme a few times, but I have always been indispitably male: if my cock & balls don't persuade you you're welcome to inspect my chromosomes. And yes, "crossdressing" and calling yourself any damn name you please is a basic human right.

Some people don't feel the need to be "differently gendered" and that's fine too: boys shouldn't be forced to wear pink if they don't to either. The point is freedom, not choosing or feeling one way or the other.

OTOH "transsexualism" is an social-political-medical identity that people who feel they are "nonstandardly gendered" are hoodwinked into. This saves Society from having to admit there there are more than two genders and that their "sex-role" expectations are bullshiat, instead imposing on the individual the "need" to "fix" himself. Society can say "See? If you play with dolls and like pink you're not really male and should have your boy bits cut off!" And "helping professionals," especially greedy surgeons, are more than happy to play along.


And by the way, sex and/or gender are not necessarily correlated with sexual preference either: e.g., you can be a drag queen and not desire men at all. I myself used to love to "gender-bend," to shave my legs & wear makeup while I made out with chicks. (Some chicks dig that, y'know.)

They try a similar scam on "tomboys," though women -- perhaps because Society still thinks they matter less than men -- are allowed to wear pants and hammer nails without necessarily having to "discover" they're Lesbian let alone "transmen." It might also be that women in American culture are stronger, smarter and less gullible than men, that they're simply harder to hoodwink into having themselves mutilated to reinforce Society's "sex-role" expectations; perhaps also femininism has helped women be strong in a way that men are not.

Maybe we men need our own liberation movement -- let's call it masculinism for now -- so we can tell Society to back off, that Society is just going to have to get used to men who wear dresses etc. The key to this is a proper attitude: "You have no right to force me to fit your expectations, and I'll give up my cock & balls when you chop them off my cold dead body."
 Society is still scared half to death of feminine men. Perhaps men with compassion and guts should "cross-dress" occasionally, especially for protests, regardless of how we "feel inside" or who we desire sexually, to show support for our femme brothers in their ongoing struggle to be accepted as they are in the bodies they were born with.


"Stand up for human rights: lift your skirt and show your balls!"

Make Society stop castrating men because they're not "normal."
 
2013-04-06 02:29:25 PM  
Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.

In Imperial China, foot-binding was used to produce the 'lotus foot'. In bowdlerised accounts, Westerners are told that it caused a woman to be housebound and dependent upon her husband. Actually, the 'lotus foot' was used for both manual (pedal?) masturbation of the man, and also as a plug to stimulate a man's anus when the woman wrapped her legs around him during sexual intercourse.
 
2013-04-06 02:37:56 PM  

Quinsisdos: As someone going to a therapist next week for gender identity issues, I'm getting a kick out of this...

/This thread seems to have gone about as well as most TG threads on Fark


Good luck. If you need to vent, you can toss me an e-mail.
 
2013-04-06 02:51:21 PM  

Kahabut: Hollie Maea: TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.

Yes, and they almost all agree that gender confused individuals are mentally ILL.


Are you referring to these smart people? cuz actually, no. Gender dysphoria is actually not considered a mental illness by psychiatrists. Fun fact, neither is homosexuality. Are we all up to date now?
 
2013-04-06 02:51:41 PM  

Peki: willfullyobscure: Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.

So, serious question: do you go to Michfest? You're WbW no matter what you identify as, so you can legit get in, as opposed to WbOthers.

I have no idea what Michfest is. If it's in Michigan, I'm in Los uAngeles, so definitely not.

/Nice on the WbW, took me a minute. Usually I get called a GG (genuine girl).


its a big festival that only.let's in womenborn as women(of any status) and bars born -male trans people. inspires a lot of butt hurt fr
om the trans to the point that they do awful stuff during the festival.

anyway, would  you want/enjoy an event like that given your identity? curious.
 
2013-04-06 02:52:17 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Hollie Maea: TheZorker:

/Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.

You're both off.

Gender is psychological and social, how you "feel" and how people treat you (or how you want them too). In this case the applicable terms are masculine and feminine: just this year this dude decided he was feminine That's fine with me, the more femme boys the better.

What you both are probably thinking of is SEX, not gender: usually a person is either clearly male (like this dude) or clearly female, though some people because of hormonal problems in utero have genitalia that are not so easy to describe as male or female.

Gender and sex are two different things.

Society usually expects people with male genitalia to be gendered as masculine and those with female genitalia to be feminine but this ain't necessarily the case. I myself have bween back & forth between butch & femme a few times, but I have always been indispitably male: if my cock & balls don't persuade you you're welcome to inspect my chromosomes. And yes, "crossdressing" and calling yourself any damn name you please is a basic human right.

Some people don't feel the need to be "differently gendered" and that's fine too: boys shouldn't be forced to wear pink if they don't to either. The point is freedom, not choosing or feeling one way or the other.

OTOH "transsexualism" is an social-political-medical identity that people who feel they are "nonstandardly gendered" are hoodwinked into. This saves Society from having to admit there there are more than two genders and that their "sex-role" expectations are bullshiat, instead imposing on the individual the "need" to "fix" himself. Society can say "See? If you play with dolls and like pink you're not really male and should have your boy bits cut off!" And "helping professionals," especially greedy ...


This is possibly the most elegant argument against Body modification in the transexual community I have read recently. Color me surprised to find this on a fark thread.

/You're all a bag of genes to me.
 
2013-04-06 02:56:55 PM  
This thead needs more hawt kathoey pics.
 
2013-04-06 03:08:30 PM  

willfullyobscure: Peki: willfullyobscure: Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.

So, serious question: do you go to Michfest? You're WbW no matter what you identify as, so you can legit get in, as opposed to WbOthers.

I have no idea what Michfest is. If it's in Michigan, I'm in Los uAngeles, so definitely not.

/Nice on the WbW, took me a minute. Usually I get called a GG (genuine girl).

its a big festival that only.let's in womenborn as women(of any status) and bars born -male trans people. inspires a lot of butt hurt fr
om the trans to the point that they do awful stuff during the festival.

anyway, would  you want/enjoy an event like that given your identity? curious.


I. . . omg. . . that's like. . . I'm gonna have nightmares now, you realize this.

I don't get along with "real" women in real life, at all. Straight women tend to see me as a sexual threat, as I have a hyperactive sex-drive that men smell a mile away, a very feminine body (think Julie Newmar with Audrey Hepburn's face) and an easy going sense of humor that also makes me easy for guys to talk to; mix it up, instant female rage. A side effect of having a shaved head is that women see me as less of a threat. Everyone actually treats me better assuming I'm a lesbian, but that leads to different issues once they realize that my fiancé is male, and that we are very much attracted to each other and in love (we're very affectionate--not throw-up territory, but we do push it sometimes). I much prefer the company of males, doesn't matter their gender or trans status, or sexual orientation--though I do tend to have similar issues with the feminine gay males that I do with straight women. I don't even like lesbians, and most of them my age are bitter and resentful, and just as gossipy and superficial and catty as straight women. I couldn't imagine a festival full of any of 'em. Of the female sex, I seem to get along the smoothest with other bi or more masculine women, but they are few and far between.

On the other hand, the eye candy might be nice. . . and I've had a very long dry spell when it comes to deh wimmins. . .
 
2013-04-06 03:31:35 PM  
www.inquisitr.com
 
2013-04-06 03:41:43 PM  

Koodz: Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:


Today I went to McDonalds with my genderqueer non-binary friend. I had a Big Mac, strawberry milkshake and fries and xi had a salad and a water because xi is watching xir weight. We were sitting eating and shooting the shiat and we overheard a little kid talking to his/her brother/sister (sorry I don't know these kids' gender identities - their mom called them boys but you can never be too sure, and considering the cissexist bullshiat that was about to come out of this woman's mouth, i wouldn't be surprised if they were girls)
Kid B (the younger one) says to Kid A, "you're a lesbian!" and quick as a flash, their mother says, "Boys can't be lesbians, eat your hamburger."
I MEAN WHAT THE fark?! This is so problematic! I almost jumped over the table and punched that biatch in the ear. I mean SO MANY THINGS WRONG with what she said to the poor kid. Boys CAN be lesbians if they identify as lesbians. I have a number of cis male lesbian friends. She was erasing their entire lived experiences with such a small statement. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The kid was like five years old. How does she know that the kid wouldn't grow up to identify as a lesbian! Scumbags like this are why I firmly believe cis scum biatches should keep their legs closed and quit breeding. fark the cis hetero patriarchy!


Oh man... is that Forfuturereferenceonly's trolling? I know it's tumblr social justice bloggese, but I was just wondering if it was Ffro.
 
2013-04-06 04:02:05 PM  

willfullyobscure: Peki: willfullyobscure: Peki: Oh. Forgot the "A" for the asexuals out there.

So, serious question: do you go to Michfest? You're WbW no matter what you identify as, so you can legit get in, as opposed to WbOthers.

I have no idea what Michfest is. If it's in Michigan, I'm in Los uAngeles, so definitely not.

/Nice on the WbW, took me a minute. Usually I get called a GG (genuine girl).

its a big festival that only.let's in womenborn as women(of any status) and bars born -male trans people. inspires a lot of butt hurt fr
om the trans to the point that they do awful stuff during the festival.

anyway, would  you want/enjoy an event like that given your identity? curious.


Yup, that one would bother me. I suppose I would qualify as WbW but strongly identify on the M side of things (and life my life that way as well, in M roles).  As much as Michfest would be a lovely thing, and I have a lot of friends who have been or are planning on returning, that restriction seems to me to an anacronistic throwback to separatist lesbian feminist attitudes. I don't have any problem with them, but to a certain extent, they have a bit of a problem - with me... I can't be a separatist, I do have a wife though. But, when you take into account the gender slide, does that make me a lesbian or not? :) Definitions become rather useless then, now don't they.

Now, as for the fine article - wear what you want, but keep your bits covered. Otherwise, who cares.
 
2013-04-06 04:15:30 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: God damn he's ugly in a dress.

Should wait till he gets hormone treatment or something first, just in the name of good taste.


Plus he's a fatty.
 
2013-04-06 04:22:56 PM  

Kahabut: Hollie Maea: TheZorker: /Gender is Physical, not Psychological
//I'm not sure if I'm Trolling

You're not trolling, just ignorant.  People a hell of a lot smarter than you are have confirmed that there is a psychological component to gender.

Yes, and they almost all agree that gender confused individuals are mentally ILL.


When the liver doesn't function properly people go meh.

When the heart doesn't function properly people go meh.

But when the brain doesn't function properly people freak out.
 
2013-04-06 04:30:19 PM  

Quinsisdos: As someone going to a therapist next week for gender identity issues, I'm getting a kick out of this...

/This thread seems to have gone about as well as most TG threads on Fark


Here, let me save you an hour. Do you have a d*ck? Then the personal pronoun you use to refer to your gender is "He" or "Him". If you have a vagina it changes to "She" or "Her". Easy peasy.

/am I making a joke
//am I serious
///is this Fark?
//does it matter?
/slashies
 
2013-04-06 04:32:19 PM  
I'm very much pro-TG rights, and think the school has now made the right decision.

I also think this kid's being a bit selfish using the class prom as her personal coming out party. I'd personally feel better if she made her transition a couple of weeks earlier, to give the other students some time to get used to the change in a setting without the alcohol and stress of prom.

But that's just my personal preference. I hope I'm wrong about her choice adding unneeded stress, and everyone involved has a great night.
 
2013-04-06 04:33:51 PM  
A 19 year old high school student? That was my first thought. Then I realized I went to school with a dang 22 year old. It isn't unheard of nowadays for people to fail a grade. It should never been an issue if he wanted to wear a dress. Whatever makes him happy, but dude does NOT look like a lady. He seems more like a simple crossdresser to me. J Edgar Hoover wasn't transgndered. He just likedlooking pretty.
 
2013-04-06 04:33:51 PM  

JPINFV: omeganuepsilon: Gender and sex are much the same thing to science. A gender role, not so much, that's more of a social thing, and as such it is a psychological issue.

Actually it's not... and there's actually three different levels of sex in and of itself (genetic, gonadal, phenotypic), and there are biochemical and genetic diseases that illustrate when congruency of those three breaks down. Gender is more mental than structural, but even mental disorders have been shown to show structural changes from "normal" brains.


Actually, you may want to take it in context, and you know, maybe look up the words in question when telling people that they're wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Gender is a range of physical, mental, and behavioral characteristics distinguishing between masculinity and femininity.[1][2][3] Depending on the context, the term may refer to sex (i.e. the state of being male or female), social roles (as in gender roles), or gender identity.

In context of my post, if we were to do away with the bigoted social structure(as is typical in non-biased science), that leaves only physical characteristics.

People behave and think like people.  No need to deploy masculine and feminine to how people act or think.

Peki: I feel I have the wrong body, but no, it's not wrong enough to make me want to do something about it.


Lucky you, but realize you're not the only person on the planet.  A great many get suicidal or worse, take matters into their own hands, literally, and butcher their nether regions in an attempt to correct the disparity between body and mind(granted that's more rare, but desperate people do desperate things).  That's not all social pressure and how "mean" other people are, contrary to what some people claim.

Also, my "what if" is not necessarily eugenics. More along the lines of vaccinations used to prevent diseases, or prescription drugs to help people cope, or balance hormones, separation of twin remnants, wearing a brace on a malformed limb, etc.
 
2013-04-06 04:45:15 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: sudo give me more cowbell: Capo Del Bandito: Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?

Would you trust someone's self-diagnosis of their sexual orientation?

Maybe, but only taken with a grain of salt. I doubt the person to put it in to proper wording, or with any proper assessment.

Anecdotal bullshiat is hardly the way to go.


WTF? So you have a doctor's note letting you know you're straight*? And you wouldn't be sure if you didn't have the note?

Please tell us all about the "proper assessment" your doctor did. Did it involve a hot nurse? I like hot nurses. Was it covered by your insurance? I can't find "assessment of sexual orientation" listed anywhere in my coverage.
----
*assumption on my part. Apologies if incorrect, but it doesn't affect my point.
 
2013-04-06 04:46:54 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Gender is a range of physical, mental, and behavioral characteristics distinguishing between masculinity and femininity.[1][2][3] Depending on the context, the term may refer to sex (i.e. the state of being male or female), social roles (as in gender roles), or gender identity.

In context of my post, if we were to do away with the bigoted social structure(as is typical in non-biased science), that leaves only physical characteristics.

People behave and think like people. No need to deploy masculine and feminine to how people act or think.


Except gender is not just nurture but also nature. Otherwise David Reimer would still be alive.

...and in the field of applied science known as "medicine," gender is not the same as sex, as evidence as things like testicular feminization or xx male syndrome.
 
2013-04-06 05:11:22 PM  
I live near this high school (it's in a very conservative, northern suburb of Houston). I was expecting all kinds of public outrage over this kid being allowed to wear a dress. However, I've been pleasantly surprised that the majority of local public opinion has been in support of the student. Sure, there's a few snarky & a few hateful comments but nowhere near what I expected. And those commenters have been shouted down by the majority in local news threads.
 
2013-04-06 05:13:17 PM  

Wollffeey: Koodz: Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:


Today I went to McDonalds with my genderqueer non-binary friend. I had a Big Mac, strawberry milkshake and fries and xi had a salad and a water because xi is watching xir weight. We were sitting eating and shooting the shiat and we overheard a little kid talking to his/her brother/sister (sorry I don't know these kids' gender identities - their mom called them boys but you can never be too sure, and considering the cissexist bullshiat that was about to come out of this woman's mouth, i wouldn't be surprised if they were girls)
Kid B (the younger one) says to Kid A, "you're a lesbian!" and quick as a flash, their mother says, "Boys can't be lesbians, eat your hamburger."
I MEAN WHAT THE fark?! This is so problematic! I almost jumped over the table and punched that biatch in the ear. I mean SO MANY THINGS WRONG with what she said to the poor kid. Boys CAN be lesbians if they identify as lesbians. I have a number of cis male lesbian friends. She was erasing their entire lived experiences with such a small statement. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The kid was like five years old. How does she know that the kid wouldn't grow up to identify as a lesbian! Scumbags like this are why I firmly believe cis scum biatches should keep their legs closed and quit breeding. fark the cis hetero patriarchy!

Oh man... is that Forfuturereferenceonly's trolling? I know it's tumblr social justice bloggese, but I was just wondering if it was Ffro.


It was from a tumblr called TWCisSexism. Tagged with "trigger warning" and "die cis scum." The original post has been deleted.
 
2013-04-06 05:21:53 PM  

Mr Rogers is aroused: Koodz: Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:


Today I went to McDonalds with my genderqueer non-binary friend. I had a Big Mac, strawberry milkshake and fries and xi had a salad and a water because xi is watching xir weight. We were sitting eating and shooting the shiat and we overheard a little kid talking to his/her brother/sister (sorry I don't know these kids' gender identities - their mom called them boys but you can never be too sure, and considering the cissexist bullshiat that was about to come out of this woman's mouth, i wouldn't be surprised if they were girls)
Kid B (the younger one) says to Kid A, "you're a lesbian!" and quick as a flash, their mother says, "Boys can't be lesbians, eat your hamburger."
I MEAN WHAT THE fark?! This is so problematic! I almost jumped over the table and punched that biatch in the ear. I mean SO MANY THINGS WRONG with what she said to the poor kid. Boys CAN be lesbians if they identify as lesbians. I have a number of cis male lesbian friends. She was erasing their entire lived experiences with such a small statement. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The kid was like five years old. How does she know that the kid wouldn't grow up to identify as a lesbian! Scumbags like this are why I firmly believe cis scum biatches should keep their legs closed and quit breeding. fark the cis hetero patriarchy!

I hope you are trolling.  Men have penises.  Women have vaginas.  You can play house and make up funny new words to make your friends feel all grown up and accepted if you want.. but it's weird.  It's not genetically sound, and its an abomination.

If we start accepting applications to change reality from what it has been, where do we stop?  Is pedophilia just a way of life that isn't accepted yet?  Is farking animals okay, and we are just behind the curve on that?  What about trees?  They have some very attractive knots in them.. I bet my junk would fit.

Man + Woman = baby.  All the other shiat is just us genetically, historically normal folk feeling guilty and letting you weirdos play along.  If you don't know what gender you are, and aren't interested in SACRIFICING to create a family, like the 50 generations before you, than you don't belong on this planet.  Lucky for you, your 50+ grandfathers, gay or not, knew they had to penetrate some vagina so you could have the privilege of opting out of life.  grow up.  man up.


The part where I said the following would be for trolling purposes was a clue.

I'm amazed that you really think these people don't engage in procreative sex and have children though. You'd be amazed how many trans women have jammed their cocks in a lot more vaginas than you have.
 
2013-04-06 05:34:19 PM  
As a straight male, what does wanting to sex up an attractive trans woman make me?

Not that I'm looking for it, but I just love sexy ladies... real ones, fake ones, trans ones...

/straight
//said that twice
 
2013-04-06 05:48:24 PM  
google +1 !
 
2013-04-06 05:57:27 PM  

ParagonComplex: A 19 year old high school student? That was my first thought. Then I realized I went to school with a dang 22 year old. It isn't unheard of nowadays for people to fail a grade.


Eh, I graduated at 19. I did a "transitional" year after kindergarten for kids apparently not ready for first grade. My district was fine with me skipping three years after I missed four of them from soul-crushing depression as well.

Looking back on it, my school system was pretty nice to me.
 
2013-04-06 06:39:59 PM  

Sheseala: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x238]

Or, you know, we could just stop caring what types of clothes are suitable for what gender.  So someone wants to wear a dress, big whoop.


Pretty much.  it's a sort of inverse Pascal's Wager.  If she's really transgendered, then she should be allowed to wear what she wants as befits her gender and self-image.  If, OTOH, this is really a dude attention-whoring for his buds in third-period Calculus, then, well, ignoring an AW is usually the right thing to do and usually takes the wind out of his sails.  There's no way the school can lose by saying "Fine, wear what you want."

By not allowing this person to wear a dress, they're either calling attention to themselves as transphobic bigots, or giving an AW what he wants.

FWIW, I don't think garments like dresses and skirts should be marked as being "women only" either.  I've worn skirts.  They're comfy.  I'd wear one in public if not for the fact that I'd be  being an attention whoremaking a political statement about gender by doing so, in addition to wearing a garment that I find comfortable, attractive, and shows off my assets.  (I have great legs.)
 
2013-04-06 07:02:48 PM  

geekbikerskum: Sheseala: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x238]

Or, you know, we could just stop caring what types of clothes are suitable for what gender.  So someone wants to wear a dress, big whoop.

Pretty much.  it's a sort of inverse Pascal's Wager.  If she's really transgendered, then she should be allowed to wear what she wants as befits her gender and self-image.  If, OTOH, this is really a dude attention-whoring for his buds in third-period Calculus, then, well, ignoring an AW is usually the right thing to do and usually takes the wind out of his sails.  There's no way the school can lose by saying "Fine, wear what you want."

By not allowing this person to wear a dress, they're either calling attention to themselves as transphobic bigots, or giving an AW what he wants.

FWIW, I don't think garments like dresses and skirts should be marked as being "women only" either.  I've worn skirts.  They're comfy.  I'd wear one in public if not for the fact that I'd be  being an attention whoremaking a political statement about gender by doing so, in addition to wearing a garment that I find comfortable, attractive, and shows off my assets.  (I have great legs.)


I don't even care about the attention whore angle. Why should anyone be disallowed from wearing a dress? Stopping men/transpeople/whoever from wearing dresses, skirts or traditionally feminine clothing is just as stupid as stopping women from wearing pants was back in the day. Saying people born with penises must wear pants to the prom is as dumb as saying people born with a vagina must wear dresses, which, if I recall, some schools care about too. Either way, it's just dumb. Why do we need to care as a society about making rules to enforce gender norms through clothing?
 
2013-04-06 07:29:02 PM  

ambercat: I don't even care about the attention whore angle. Why should anyone be disallowed from wearing a dress? Stopping men/transpeople/whoever from wearing dresses, skirts or traditionally feminine clothing is just as stupid as stopping women from wearing pants was back in the day. Saying people born with penises must wear pants to the prom is as dumb as saying people born with a vagina must wear dresses, which, if I recall, some schools care about too. Either way, it's just dumb. Why do we need to care as a society about making rules to enforce gender norms through clothing?


Yeah, pretty much that.

They could have a dress code at the prom without making it gendered, just with "Formal attire required."  This would also make the dress code non-culture-centric, allowing students who are from non-USAn cultures, or who wish to celebrate their heritage, to wear formal dress appropriate to their culture of origin.
 
2013-04-06 07:59:20 PM  

JPINFV: omeganuepsilon: Gender is a range of physical, mental, and behavioral characteristics distinguishing between masculinity and femininity.[1][2][3] Depending on the context, the term may refer to sex (i.e. the state of being male or female), social roles (as in gender roles), or gender identity.

In context of my post, if we were to do away with the bigoted social structure(as is typical in non-biased science), that leaves only physical characteristics.

People behave and think like people. No need to deploy masculine and feminine to how people act or think.

Except gender is not just nurture but also nature. Otherwise David Reimer would still be alive.

...and in the field of applied science known as "medicine," gender is not the same as sex, as evidence as things like testicular feminization or xx male syndrome.


You're exactly the problem.  You want to perpetuate gender roles instead of just letting people be themselves with whatever tastes and senses of style and comfort they have.

Your definition of "gender" is a societal construct, and no more valid than someone who would look down on boys for playing with "girl" toys, or cross dressers, or any other sort of bigot.

That's the flaw with so many liberal stances, they claim to want to do away with X, but still ascribe to the same structure, just with gentler words. It's a shame really.
 
2013-04-06 08:06:46 PM  

omeganuepsilon: You're exactly the problem. You want to perpetuate gender roles instead of just letting people be themselves with whatever tastes and senses of style and comfort they have


Perpetuating something and recognizing that it exists are not the same thing. Pretending that something you don't like isn't present neither makes it go away nor is it helpful to people facing real world problems.
 
2013-04-06 08:18:41 PM  

geekbikerskum: ambercat: I don't even care about the attention whore angle. Why should anyone be disallowed from wearing a dress? Stopping men/transpeople/whoever from wearing dresses, skirts or traditionally feminine clothing is just as stupid as stopping women from wearing pants was back in the day. Saying people born with penises must wear pants to the prom is as dumb as saying people born with a vagina must wear dresses, which, if I recall, some schools care about too. Either way, it's just dumb. Why do we need to care as a society about making rules to enforce gender norms through clothing?

Yeah, pretty much that.

They could have a dress code at the prom without making it gendered, just with "Formal attire required."  This would also make the dress code non-culture-centric, allowing students who are from non-USAn cultures, or who wish to celebrate their heritage, to wear formal dress appropriate to their culture of origin.


That's so sensible it will probably never happen. But, I like to dream.
 
2013-04-06 08:45:50 PM  

ambercat: That's so sensible it will probably never happen. But, I like to dream.I


There's a lot of stuff about schools that isn't about sense, but about control, and obedience to petty rules laid down by petty authority.
 
2013-04-06 08:52:49 PM  

JPINFV: omeganuepsilon: You're exactly the problem. You want to perpetuate gender roles instead of just letting people be themselves with whatever tastes and senses of style and comfort they have

Perpetuating something and recognizing that it exists are not the same thing. Pretending that something you don't like isn't present neither makes it go away nor is it helpful to people facing real world problems.


Simply acquiescing to the status quo doesn't help change it.
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-06 09:47:06 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Eh, I graduated at 19. I did a "transitional" year after kindergarten for kids apparently not ready for first grade. My district was fine with me skipping three years after I missed four of them from soul-crushing depression as well.

Looking back on it, my school system was pretty nice to me.


Seems like they were nice. It's good that they were understanding about the depression as well. It's something no one could understand unless they've been through it themselves. Hopefully you're doing a lot better now. ^_^
 
2013-04-06 11:31:32 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: This the original Wang, subby:

[www.gearslutz.com image 400x300]


upload.wikimedia.orgupload.wikimedia.org
Frowns on your shenanigans.
Also wants to know if you want to wash Wang, or watch Wang wash Wang.
 
2013-04-06 11:38:30 PM  

hardinparamedic: Being a transgendered individual is not something someone can suddenly up and decide to do in a day's time. It's not crossdressing, and it's not a sexual fetish.


Err, it can be.  You're confusing transsexual and transgender.
 
2013-04-07 12:58:55 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Make Society stop castrating men because they're not "normal."


Women can become men.  Stop acting as though this is some twisted component of your men's rights movement.
 
2013-04-07 01:03:12 AM  

ciberido: hardinparamedic: Being a transgendered individual is not something someone can suddenly up and decide to do in a day's time. It's not crossdressing, and it's not a sexual fetish.

Err, it can be.  You're confusing transsexual and transgender.


It happens even I used to think they were the same. Just sayin'.

/And yea do know something about all this.
 
2013-04-07 01:10:23 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The One True TheDavid: Make Society stop castrating men because they're not "normal."

Women can become men.  Stop acting as though this is some twisted component of your men's rights movement.


Thank you : )
 
2013-04-07 10:02:27 PM  
Capo Del Bandito:

Would you trust a person's self diagnosis of an ailment?

Most people are grossly uneducated and prefer to use 'feelings' instead of analytical thinking.


Hey! I 'feel' that I'm One Of The World's Greatest Geniuses (Except For Science & Math). What good is this "analytical thinking" of yours against how I see myself deep down inside? You just want to oppress me because you're a H4T3R!!

My dog clearly wants to be a cat. How much would that cost?
 
2013-04-07 10:37:07 PM  
Peki:

I'm a female body that wants to be a hermaphrodite.

For female bodies they make these things called "strap ons." I know a dyke who found one on Amazon that gets both partners off: if you can't find it yourself maybe I can track down the email. (Lots of guys are into getting pegged by women; I wonder why they don't find a real man, but there's no accounting for taste.)

As for male bodies I can always express my feminine side by sucking a cock or taking it up the butt, which could be a lot of fun when I felt like doing that. For that matter this one woman liked to "toy" me, and another used to "make" me "suck her dick" (Mary did have a good-sized clitoris).

"Psychological hermaproditism," as I'm sure you're aware, ain't that hard to make something of.


You really think there's a psychologist that would write me off for reassignment surgery or hormones? Not that I know of.


How would you become hermaphrodite with surgery?

As for hormones, it shouldn't be that hard to find: another way of saying "male hormones" is anabolic steroids. Find a boxing gym or weight-training club and make a friend or two.

A hairy stocky biatch with a plastic cock sounds like the opposite of what I like in boys, lt alone women. But then I'm weird.

For that matter male trannies can take estrogen plus progesterone female birth control pills.

I think hormones are too far to go -- I won't even ask a woman to take birth control pills, I got a vasectomy instead -- but the world is regrettably full of people who aren't as kind & gentle as me.

Anyway. People get too hung up on what's "appropriate" for their (physical) sex and think if they're "abnormal" they should change their bodies: that's Societal brainwashing showing itself. IMHO people should accept that who thy are might not match of with what Society prefers and instead of changing their bodies we should change Society instead.

By the way, I'd let the right woman peg me if she were very careful about my old guy's hemorrhoids: if somebody's partner won't or can't accomodate one's tastes -- or let you do it with somebody else -- you should find another partner. (That I don't have a more interesting sex life has more to do with being old, broke, fat & ugly than with what I'd do for love.)

In case this is news to anybody, for some reason open-minded "sexual deviants" tend to congregate in San Francisco and the surrounding area: if I wanted to find a butch woman to make make her biatch that's the first place I'd look.

Anyway.
 
2013-04-07 10:43:50 PM  
hardinparamedic:

Gender has nothing to do with biological sex. You can be a biological male, and develop the brain chemistry and physiology of female. This is also not a new thing. It's been floating around since the late 80s.

Um, no, if you're a biological male you cannot have the physiology of female.

You probably mean "psychology of female."
 
2013-04-07 10:49:21 PM  
mafiageek1980:

I didn't know I was transgendered until I was 31.

How can you not know which gender you are?


Maybe you mean transsexual, not transgender.

I've always been "unconventionally gendered" but my genitalia suit me fine. If "They" don't like how I am that's their problem.
 
2013-04-07 10:51:52 PM  

Koodz: Can't find the image, so here it is, for trolling purposes:

Kid B (the younger one) says to Kid A, "you're a lesbian!" and quick as a flash, their mother says, "Boys can't be lesbians, eat your hamburger."


She's right, boys & men can't be lesbians.
 
2013-04-07 10:53:20 PM  
hardinparamedic:

Being a transgendered individual is not something someone can suddenly up and decide to do in a day's time. It's not crossdressing, and it's not a sexual fetish.

No, it's not: it's a Societally-instilled mental illness.
 
2013-04-07 10:56:38 PM  

The One True TheDavid: hardinparamedic:

Being a transgendered individual is not something someone can suddenly up and decide to do in a day's time. It's not crossdressing, and it's not a sexual fetish.

No, it's not: it's a Societally-instilled mental illness.


In the sense you're talking about, which I'd prefer to call "transsexual," not "transgendered."

Gender can change; sex can't. Nothing will ever make Chaz Bono a real man: she should have stuck to "bull dyke," she would have kept her lesbian girlfriend.
 
2013-04-07 10:57:54 PM  

WhippingBoy: hardinparamedic: Capo Del Bandito:

OH! So this student is just an attention whore!

We got that.

And your rationale for that statement is?

How dare she want to dress as her gender, right.

How dare you try to enforce gender stereotypes, right.


THIS.
 
2013-04-07 11:09:34 PM  

radarlove: Feelings still require analysis. Nobody ever doesn't engage in analytical thinking.


Oh come on. Most Americans wouldn't know "analytical thinking" if it bit them on their genitals. The "Obama is a Muslim socialist crowd" is one example; another is "abducted by aliens." These "transsexuals" who want surgery to "make the outside match the inside" provide yet another illustration.
 
2013-04-07 11:18:21 PM  
Mr Rogers is aroused:

Man + Woman = baby. All the other shiat is just us genetically, historically normal folk feeling guilty and letting you weirdos play along.

it's people like you who are costing other men their genitalia. Convince them they're not "real men," so they must "really" be women.

I farked women without causing a baby for about 37 years.

Grow up. Learn to think for yourself.
 
2013-04-07 11:19:31 PM  
FirstNationalBastard:

Oh, look, the sad, pathetic, people who think children are the only reason for living have shown up!

Let's all laugh at them, and maybe try to explain that the "miracle" of life has spread to the point that it threatens to destroy the planet.


Very much THIS.
 
2013-04-07 11:24:43 PM  
letrole:

Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.

So is heterosexualty. Especially for males. Even that weirdo Freud got that much right, especially for males. to quote Lenhy Bruce, "men can fark mud": that a guy wants to stick his johnson in any other human being instead of a sheep or a knothole is learned. The fact is if it weren't for social programming most men would be happy with Fleshlights: they're certainly a lot less trouble.
 
2013-04-07 11:44:46 PM  
d1zzy32:

As a straight male, what does wanting to sex up an attractive trans woman make me?

You mean a guy who thinks he's a chick? Then you're gay or bi. Or, most likely, very confused.

But then I'm bi and have no use for a transsexual, especially a post-op one. When I want a woman I'll find one; when I want a boy I'll look for that. Masculine women or feminine guys can be a great too, but a surgically mutilated something is the worst of both worlds.
 
2013-04-07 11:47:17 PM  
omeganuepsilon:

You want to perpetuate gender roles instead of just letting people be themselves with whatever tastes and senses of style and comfort they have.

Your definition of "gender" is a societal construct, and no more valid than someone who would look down on boys for playing with "girl" toys, or cross dressers, or any other sort of bigot.

That's the flaw with so many liberal stances, they claim to want to do away with X, but still ascribe to the same structure, just with gentler words. It's a shame really.


Bingo.
 
2013-04-07 11:55:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The One True TheDavid:

Make Society stop castrating men because they're not "normal."

Women can become men.  Stop acting as though this is some twisted component of your men's rights movement.


No. Sorry. Nothing on Earth can make Chaz Bono a man. She's a hormonally poisoned woman with her breasts removed.

Note also that "FTM" trannies are pretty rare: this is because Society is less afraid of "masculine" women than "sissies." Women can get away with "acting like men": I know a very feminine woman who's been a professional housepainter & drywaller for 30 years and a grandma for 16. She's neither a lesbian nor a "transman" but a woman who isn't stuck full-time in one narrow "gender role." She also bakes wedding cakes and caters, by the way.

But "sissies" get punished not only with castration but also by being persuaded that it's what they "really" want. That's just plain wrong.
 
2013-04-07 11:57:16 PM  
Where IS everybody? It's only 11:56 EST on Sunday. Do I have to "win" this thread by default?
 
2013-04-08 12:33:25 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Where IS everybody? It's only 11:56 EST on Sunday. Do I have to "win" this thread by default?


I think everyone else got tired of your stupid.
 
2013-04-08 01:03:16 AM  

The One True TheDavid: For female bodies they make these things called "strap ons."


Those cost $200. I'm dirt poor. Plus, no feeling. I probably will do this eventually, but this is at least 5+ years away in my budget.

The One True TheDavid: How would you become hermaphrodite with surgery?


Same way they create penises now. That's really all I want. Which leads me to. . .

The One True TheDavid: As for hormones, it shouldn't be that hard to find: another way of saying "male hormones" is anabolic steroids. Find a boxing gym or weight-training club and make a friend or two.


See, now here is where you mistake me for a complete transsexual. I don't want to lose my essentially femininity. I have DDD boobs that I love playing with thank you very much. They tend to shrink on hormones. Also, I want to retain fertility. That's not possible under hormone therapy. I have to admit, I'm VERY intrigued by the idea of growing my own dick (Thomas Beatie's "Labor of Love" was a very difficult book for me; essentially told me "Yeah, actually, you can have everything you want"), but ultimately, I'm not willing to pay the price to get it. Many transsexuals go only so far with gender reassignment surgery for various reasons (It's very invasive, high risk, etc.). I have 3/4 of the parts I want; I'm not really unhappy enough to spend 3 years under psychiatric care, another 2 years with hormones, another 2 years living as my chosen gender. . . and so on. . . I'll pass.

The One True TheDavid: Anyway. People get too hung up on what's "appropriate" for their (physical) sex and think if they're "abnormal" they should change their bodies: that's Societal brainwashing showing itself. IMHO people should accept that who thy are might not match of with what Society prefers and instead of changing their bodies we should change Society instead.


I hope you aren't saying this in reference to me, because this is definitely not my experience, and not the experience of most transsexuals I know. There is a vast difference between being gay and being transgendered/transsexual. One is (generally) about being comfortable in the body you have, the other one you aren't. I don't know any part of society that would tell me "You need a dick to go along with those boobs and snatch." I very much like my body the way it is; a dick too would simply be nice. It's like growing up an amputee. You know there's something supposed to be there, but it's just not.. Everything in my head says there should be something there. Everything in my behaviour says I straddle the fence between masculine and feminine and non-gendered roles, and I *dig* doing that. Why should I be forced to accept a body that doesn't match my head if I don't have to?

/choice goes both ways, and even if the choice is influenced, you still have to respect it
 
2013-04-08 01:05:39 AM  

Quinsisdos: The One True TheDavid: Where IS everybody? It's only 11:56 EST on Sunday. Do I have to "win" this thread by default?

I think everyone else got tired of your stupid.


Yeah, I should have read further before responding. . .
 
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