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(Bleeding Cool)   Steven Moffat reveals what would have happened if David Tennant had stayed on for season 5 of Doctor Who. Hint: Doctor Teeth vs. the Red Menace   (bleedingcool.com) divider line 14
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2013-04-06 07:09:39 PM
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FirstNationalBastard: twat_waffle: ElectricPeterTork: I always like the continuation of a companion through regenerations.

This could have been interesting.

Even Mary Sue Tyler?

I think you got Mary Sue's last name wrong.

You meant "Pond".


Neither of you even seem to know what a Mary Sue is, this is just pathetic.
2013-04-06 06:32:00 PM
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t3knomanser: //River Song is the annoying Mary Sue, not Amy.


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Technically, she really isn't a Mary Sue unless Moffatt is secretly a cross-dresser that wants to marry the Doctor. A Mary Sue character is a fanfic surrogate for the author. River can get a little abrasive at times, but being practically a Time Lord doesn't make her abilities and talents that much of a stretch compared to a normal human. "Mary Sue" is just one of those words that is overused and stretched way beyond its original meaning, much like "Deux Ex" (like when people reference a Cheokov's Gun as a Deus Ex).
2013-04-06 03:07:59 PM
2 votes:

Fast Moon: I think my main problem with Moffat companions vs. RTD companions is that the Moffat companions feel more like plot devices than people.  They have no identity outside the Doctor.  Who was Amy before she got involved with the Doctor?  We get almost zero look at this.  Whereas the RTD companions each had nearly half an episode apiece devoted to their pre-Doctor lives, where we got to see them at their jobs, interacting with their families, and just getting to know them as a person.  We never got this with Amy, and only got a tiny smidgen of it with Clara.


Well, to be fair, Amy was  six when she met the Doctor, so you can't really blame her for not having developed much of an identity prior to that.
2013-04-06 08:08:01 PM
1 votes:
Doctor Who is so full of what if's.  I believe it is because they move fast.

What if Derek Jacobi had gotten a couple of episodes as the Master before regenerating, what if the year of Martha walking the earth had taken more than one episode.  What if Turn left had been half a season of references and clues to things being not right?  What if we had gotten a season of Jack tagging along with the Doctor and Rose?  What if they were really really patient, and strung the Doctor;s encounters with River out over more than two incarnations of the doctor, oh so much that they seem to rush past.  Biggest for me was the Raknos (sp).  They were there at the formation of the earth, and hid for centuries, bleeding into our subconscious, our nightmares since the  dawn of time, and yet they get dealt with in one episode, when clearly this would have made an amazing season long arch.

  I do like Moffats use of time, though, even in this rough concept.  Amy meets Ten at the end, then he comes back before that, a but of a mirroring of his relationship with River.

Still tidbits of might have been's are fun what ifs.  Except for the people who utterly hate the show but continue to watch (and evidently post).
2013-04-06 07:23:02 PM
1 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Rory was a real character with real emotions and a real history


More important, Rory had an actual character arc. He  really developed. He started as a nebbishly Arthur Dent character and evolved into a supreme badass. It did create situations where you had to wonder: "Why the hell is he still with Amy?" He definitely was far more committed to the relationship than she was.

While I think much of the hate towards Amy is misplaced, her character was  all over the place. I mean, seriously, she just took on whatever personality traits worked the best for her at the time.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: the most important girl in the universe ... AGAIN


This though, I really don't see. Amy wasn't the most important girl in the universe excepting her "Bad Wolf" moment at the end of her first series. At best, you've got the one exchange where the Doctor tells her that the most important thing in the universe is getting her sorted- not that  she's important, that solving the problem which she represents is important.

Her second series it gets a little bit stronger, where a plan is put in place to kidnap her unborn daughter and raise it and train it to kill the Doctor. Which is actually a completely insane plan. Like... why? How? If killing the Doctor is so important, there must be an approach that doesn't involve kidnapping his companion and stealing her baby so that you can steal the baby and raise it into a perfect assassin who can kill the Doctor. Oh, but River's got some time stuff, from being conceived in the TARDIS. Big whup. A Dalek blaster would end the Doctor nearly as quickly. Oh, he can regenerate? SHOOT HIM AGAIN.

*pantpantpant*

I've actually enjoyed the Moffat era overall, and adore Smith's Doctor, but it hasn't exactly been clever, lately.
2013-04-06 07:14:31 PM
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Mad_Radhu: t3knomanser: //River Song is the annoying Mary Sue, not Amy.

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Technically, she really isn't a Mary Sue unless Moffatt is secretly a cross-dresser that wants to marry the Doctor. A Mary Sue character is a fanfic surrogate for the author. River can get a little abrasive at times, but being practically a Time Lord doesn't make her abilities and talents that much of a stretch compared to a normal human. "Mary Sue" is just one of those words that is overused and stretched way beyond its original meaning, much like "Deux Ex" (like when people reference a Cheokov's Gun as a Deus Ex).


Like everything Moffat, he took a great one-off concept and drove it straight into the ground.

\see also Weeping Angels
2013-04-06 03:15:57 PM
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FirstNationalBastard: I mean, people still shiat about the one Rose intro, or the fact that she came back for a couple of episodes in season 4, after her story should have been over. But the Amy Pond intro, and the first 5 episodes of season 7? No complaints, though those things were all much worse than what was done with Rose.


What in the hell are you talking about?  Every Doctor Who thread during the Pond Era had at least one "OMFG WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS AMY POND SHOW SHIAT I HATE HER SHE'S THE WORST I THOUGHT THIS WAS DOCTOR WHO" post.  Even now that she's gone, we can't have a single thread without someone complaining about  the "Red Menace".
2013-04-06 01:58:14 PM
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FirstNationalBastard: And while Rose might have wanted timelord cock, her story didn't shuffle the Doctor into being a background character in his own show. Every episode couldn't be boiled down to The Doctor's motivation for everything being WHERE'S ROSE FIND ROSE LOVE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE the way it was in the first two Matt Smith seasons.


Amy was at the center of two huge mysteries the Doctor was interested in (The Crack and River Song). OF COURSE, she is going to be important to the story. Now, that doesn't mean the "Amy Pond Show" BBC America intro was in any way justified, but story-wise I actually think that it is good that Moffat is giving his companions an actual reason for the Doctor to be interested in having them around.

Also, keep in mind that from the very beginning, Doctor Who was more the story of Ian and Barbara, and the Doctor in some ways a background character that did asshole things to move the story forward like intentionally breaking the TARDIS so he could check out the Dalek city.
2013-04-06 01:39:30 PM
1 votes:
When I think of Rose, I automatically think of the first season with Eccleston, not the Tennant season.

Maybe that's why I don't see the same problems with Rose many others do.
2013-04-06 01:35:50 PM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: "The Satan Pit", which was also a painfully stupid episode.


Aww, I liked that one. I waffle between being indifferent to Rose and hating her, but there were some good episodes in there, and I had regarded that two parter as one of them.
2013-04-06 01:22:47 PM
1 votes:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: At least Amy brought Rory with her.


And once she did, she developed into something better than she was introduced as.
2013-04-06 01:20:50 PM
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FirstNationalBastard: In my opinion, "ZOMG REDHEAD POST MOAR PICS!!!11112ELEVENTY" let Moffat and crew get away with making the companion a really bad character that no one would have let RTD get away with when it was Rose or Donna.

I mean, people still shiat about the one Rose intro, or the fact that she came back for a couple of episodes in season 4, after her story should have been over. But the Amy Pond intro, and the first 5 episodes of season 7? No complaints, though those things were all much worse than what was done with Rose.

And while Rose might have wanted timelord cock, her story didn't shuffle the Doctor into being a background character in his own show. Every episode couldn't be boiled down to The Doctor's motivation for everything being WHERE'S ROSE FIND ROSE LOVE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE the way it was in the first two Matt Smith seasons.

One again, just an opinion, and before anyone tells me to quit watching, The redhead is gone, so there are no problems at this time. The new companion seems interesting so far.


We disagree.  I thought Rose was annoying as shiat, and the 'I have to leave you in a parallel dimension but I l-' part was just stupid. But it's only a tv show we are disagreeing over, so it really doesn't matter.

At least Amy brought Rory with her.
2013-04-06 01:02:04 PM
1 votes:

NotARocketScientist: Dr Teeth?

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Don't forget his companion...

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Anyway...

PizzaJedi81: Baron Harkonnen: FirstNationalBastard: I think you got Mary Sue's last name wrong.

You meant "Pond".

You must be trolling.

Or he genuinely doesn't like Amy. It's possible, ya know.


In my opinion, "ZOMG REDHEAD POST MOAR PICS!!!11112ELEVENTY" let Moffat and crew get away with making the companion a really bad character that no one would have let RTD get away with when it was Rose or Donna.

I mean, people still shiat about the one Rose intro, or the fact that she came back for a couple of episodes in season 4, after her story should have been over. But the Amy Pond intro, and the first 5 episodes of season 7? No complaints, though those things were all much worse than what was done with Rose.

And while Rose might have wanted timelord cock, her story didn't shuffle the Doctor into being a background character in his own show. Every episode couldn't be boiled down to The Doctor's motivation for everything being WHERE'S ROSE FIND ROSE LOVE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE ROSE the way it was in the first two Matt Smith seasons.

One again, just an opinion, and before anyone tells me to quit watching, The redhead is gone, so there are no problems at this time. The new companion seems interesting so far.
2013-04-06 12:18:25 PM
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FirstNationalBastard: I think you got Mary Sue's last name wrong.

You meant "Pond".


You must be trolling.
 
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