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(WABI Bangor)   When you operate a medical marijuana dispensary you expect protesters. But when the protesters are marijuana patients and caregivers you may want to rethink your business strategies   (wabi.tv) divider line 72
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2013-04-06 02:03:31 PM

GBB: What?  You mean that if you leave a business or an industry to regulate itself that it will do what's best in its interest and not the interests of its customers??


Yep.  In this case, the grower fined itself, chose to stop using pesticides, and invited 2500 patients to protest it.
 
2013-04-06 02:08:09 PM

khyberkitsune: If they think dispensaries using pesticides is bad, they should see the dispensaries here in Southern California which violate Federal Law by blatantly advertising 'female budtenders only' in their job postings.


I'd love to read their rationale for that.  Begging for a suing.
 
2013-04-06 02:10:46 PM
I wonder how many of those protesters smoke cigarettes..and whether they're familiar with just how many pesticides put on their tobacco (hint: it's several usually, and it is on the consumable portion). That being said, it does show that like any "new' industry, medical marijuana will need regulations to at least disclose some of these situations where additional chemicals have been used...
 
2013-04-06 02:38:41 PM

BarkingUnicorn: khyberkitsune: If they think dispensaries using pesticides is bad, they should see the dispensaries here in Southern California which violate Federal Law by blatantly advertising 'female budtenders only' in their job postings.

I'd love to read their rationale for that.  Begging for a suing.


I'm trying to sue, in fact, because I applied for a side job and was told explicitly females only. However, it seems no legal enforcement wants to do anything about it. I called the EEOC and they go "The place has so few employees that it would be difficult to deal with."

And no lawyers want to take such an open and shut case on contingency.
 
2013-04-06 03:04:16 PM
I would only have 3 questions for the growers:
1. What pest where they hoping to combat (likely spider mites)
2. What pesticide where they using? (Some of them, like avid, are dangerous, while others like neem oil are next to harmless)
3. Was said pesticide applied before or after they put the plants on a 12/12 cycle AKA the start of Budding?
 
2013-04-06 03:17:55 PM

santadog: lack of warmth: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Lunger42: Not a pot smoker, so what's the big deal with using pesticides on the stuff?

One of the major pests is bud mites.  Miticides are often pretty nasty in their own right and the compounds created when you burn them are not fully understood.  Since you're apply the pesticide to "consumable" parts of the plants, it's a real wild card what the effects, if any, may be in the long term.  It's also questionable if the growers are observing "days to harvest" regulations.
Other common pesticides (and yes, fungicides are "pesticides") are applied to control root diseases, most commonly Phytophthora and Pythium (Which are controlled by fungicide even though, yes, they are actually fungal-like algae).  These pesticides are typically applied as a soil drench and don't translocate through the plants and shouldn't be that big of a deal but could still cause people some concern.
Foliar diseases that require applying pesticides to above ground portions of the plant are relatively rare.

You missed the point.  I too am not a pot smoker and I still don't see a big deal with using pesticides on the stuff.  They could use DDT and I wouldn't care.

Perhaps if you were a chemo patient, someone with skin sensitivity to poisons, or someone with MS or Lupus you might care.  Some people use it as medicine, and not recreational.


chemical sensitivties are a real b*tch to live with and inhaling a toxin is worse than ingesting in food. They should be required to list ingredients used when growing. They deserve to be picketed and if they lied about it, they should be shut down.
 
2013-04-06 03:55:47 PM
The Jedi grower I know is adamant that a properly applied systemic miticide/ovicide, applied monthly is safer than ingesting a weak organic pesticide applied 2x a week (neem etc). Laboratory testing confirms that 4 weeks after application, none of the original chemicals remain.

The key is proper application, timing and doses.
 
2013-04-06 03:58:45 PM

icemanwol: I would only have 3 questions for the growers:
1. What pest where they hoping to combat (likely spider mites)
2. What pesticide where they using? (Some of them, like avid, are dangerous, while others like neem oil are next to harmless)
3. Was said pesticide applied before or after they put the plants on a 12/12 cycle AKA the start of Budding?


Is Neem oil harmless if inhaled?  I know it's safe for my tomatoes...but I don't breath in the vapors.  This is an honest question, I am just being curious.  Like the retard boy who walks into the ladies room.
 
2013-04-06 04:03:18 PM

Gos2Slo: The Jedi grower I know is adamant that a properly applied systemic miticide/ovicide, applied monthly is safer than ingesting a weak organic pesticide applied 2x a week (neem etc). Laboratory testing confirms that 4 weeks after application, none of the original chemicals remain.

The key is proper application, timing and doses.


Also, the key is being highly volatile so that it goes away cleanly.

/hangs a couple dichlorvos strips in the flower room
//by the time dry/cure is done, there's nothing left.
 
2013-04-06 04:04:54 PM

another cultural observer: Is Neem oil harmless if inhaled?  I know it's safe for my tomatoes...but I don't breath in the vapors.


I don't know but pyrethrin would be terrible.
 
2013-04-06 04:07:10 PM
agreed that too little info was supplied to pass proper judgement.  would those patients have preferred bugged up buds of a noticeable reduced quality?  there are proper ways to deal with mites, aphids and thrips.  not many other insects are a nuisance and if preventative measures are taken against those big three then it is highly unlikely any bug issues will arise.
 
2013-04-06 04:09:30 PM

FARK rebel soldier: another cultural observer: Is Neem oil harmless if inhaled?  I know it's safe for my tomatoes...but I don't breath in the vapors.

I don't know but pyrethrin would be terrible.


Pyrethrin is derived from chrysanthemum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrin#Toxicity

It's almost essentially harmless to us, with a few exceptions. It is easily hydrolyzed and pyrolized.
 
2013-04-06 04:12:35 PM

FARK rebel soldier: another cultural observer: Is Neem oil harmless if inhaled?  I know it's safe for my tomatoes...but I don't breath in the vapors.

I don't know but pyrethrin would be terrible.


Hey, don't knock Raid-huffing.  After a few bangs off of a can of Wasp & Hornet Control, you'll be singing a different tune.
 
2013-04-06 04:44:20 PM

khyberkitsune: BarkingUnicorn: khyberkitsune: If they think dispensaries using pesticides is bad, they should see the dispensaries here in Southern California which violate Federal Law by blatantly advertising 'female budtenders only' in their job postings.

I'd love to read their rationale for that.  Begging for a suing.

I'm trying to sue, in fact, because I applied for a side job and was told explicitly females only. However, it seems no legal enforcement wants to do anything about it. I called the EEOC and they go "The place has so few employees that it would be difficult to deal with."

And no lawyers want to take such an open and shut case on contingency.


http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage_private.cfm 

"If a complaint against a business (or some other private employer) involves race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, disability or genetic information, the business is covered by the laws we enforce if it has 15 or more employees who worked for the employer for at least twenty calendar weeks (in this year or last)."

Guess it's about how big a deal it is to society, not to an individual.
 
2013-04-06 04:46:08 PM

khyberkitsune: BarkingUnicorn: khyberkitsune: If they think dispensaries using pesticides is bad, they should see the dispensaries here in Southern California which violate Federal Law by blatantly advertising 'female budtenders only' in their job postings.

I'd love to read their rationale for that.  Begging for a suing.

I'm trying to sue, in fact, because I applied for a side job and was told explicitly females only. However, it seems no legal enforcement wants to do anything about it. I called the EEOC and they go "The place has so few employees that it would be difficult to deal with."

And no lawyers want to take such an open and shut case on contingency.


So, were you given any rationale for this policy, or was it just "policy?"
 
2013-04-06 04:57:08 PM

Lunger42: Not a pot smoker, so what's the big deal with using pesticides on the stuff?


If you wouldn't be ok with drinking it in it's pure form, why the fark would you smoke it or put it in your body any other way? This goes for a lot of chemical fertilizers as well. Those minerals and chemicals can and do build up within the plant material and some argue it could be very nasty.


The smokers wanted pot and not a can of raid to huff.
 
2013-04-06 04:59:20 PM

khyberkitsune: Great Justice: Don't some folks make hash this way?

Yessir. I just took a picture for this thread, too.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

That's about a quarter pound, in total. All from water-curing and filtration through bubble bags for grading.

The dispensary has the buds. They sit on the top-shelf.


Honey oil is where it's at.
 
2013-04-06 05:15:54 PM
I use my Self-Transforming-Machine -Elves to keep the bugs at bay, it's a bit trippier than having bugs everywhere, all in my beard and behind my eyelids like how it was with Bob Arctor, but I think I'll live.
 
2013-04-06 05:19:59 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Guess it's about how big a deal it is to society, not to an individual.


Yep, this place has fewer than 15 employees, AFAIK.

BarkingUnicorn: So, were you given any rationale for this policy, or was it just "policy?"


Nope. It was explicitly advertised in the job posting as females only, though I knew that was not a legitimate occupational qualifier, and I applied for the job anyways, and got told the exact same thing, females only.

santadog: Honey oil is where it's at.


Sadly most people cannot make the stuff in a proper manner, and it ends up being crapola.

Heat and negative pressure, people. Heat and negative pressure after your extraction.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-06 06:56:39 PM

lack of warmth: You missed the point. I too am not a pot smoker and I still don't see a big deal with using pesticides on the stuff. They could use DDT and I wouldn't care.


Is that because you're in no danger of reproducing?

That's be my guess.
 
2013-04-06 08:52:51 PM

khyberkitsune: BarkingUnicorn: Guess it's about how big a deal it is to society, not to an individual.

Yep, this place has fewer than 15 employees, AFAIK.

BarkingUnicorn: So, were you given any rationale for this policy, or was it just "policy?"

Nope. It was explicitly advertised in the job posting as females only, though I knew that was not a legitimate occupational qualifier, and I applied for the job anyways, and got told the exact same thing, females only.

santadog: Honey oil is where it's at.

Sadly most people cannot make the stuff in a proper manner, and it ends up being crapola.

Heat and negative pressure, people. Heat and negative pressure after your extraction.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


That's *sniff* beautiful.
 
2013-04-06 10:11:03 PM

khyberkitsune: santadog: My buds are so frosty, I don't even like to handle it to put it in a bowl. I would never dream of handling it that much.

You're missing out on collecting some of the best. hash. EVER.


I bust my weed in a coffee grinder bought especially for that purpose.  Clean out the crystals and make some kickass finger hash.

/just got done smoking some in fact :)
 
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