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(Examiner)   New report says that Microsoft could be obsolete in 4 years, This is not a repeat from the launch of Windows 98   (examiner.com) divider line 50
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2013-04-06 07:53:25 AM  
Since 1994 every PC company has said that the PC will be dead soon.

PC aint going nowhere. Microsoft still holds desktop dominance.
 
2013-04-06 08:00:01 AM  
This doesn't bode well for the new Xbox.
 
2013-04-06 08:32:53 AM  
MS is quickly becoming (just) a server/software vendor and moving patent/licensing acquisitions and sales. Their windows server  and exchange server support is pretty steep, but the engineers I'll been assigned to work with on major issues are pretty sharp.

That said their "innovations" on the desktop stopped some time ago.

This is pretty much a repeat of IBM's sunset from market dominance in its day, and this is a pretty much and expected tech cycle.
 
2013-04-06 08:59:06 AM  

corq: That said their "innovations" on the desktop stopped some time ago.


That's pretty much because the vast majority of corporate users are quite satisfied with Windows 7. it does what they want, it's reliable and fairly secure. Their employees are used to it, and most importantly, their corporate software runs fine on it.
 
2013-04-06 08:59:47 AM  
How can they be obsolete, there are still sprints left in the project.

In case any of you technoweenies hasn't noticed, IBM is still a global org with billions of revenue decades after some of you thought they'd be gone.

If nothing else, Microsoft's sitting on a trove of internal tools that get daily use on campus, but are deemed not worth of shipping due to it not making a threshold of market sales. Any number of these could be turned into products. Thats how Sharepoint came into being. Seriously, the campus inside Redmond and elsewhere has more internally developed Windows tools. Its Windows Admin nirvana out there.
 
2013-04-06 10:18:27 AM  
This is great news.  I'll be glad that in four short years we won't have to deal with Active Directory rights synchronization,  getting Exchange mail onto mobile devices, and won't be collaborating on work on Sharepoint servers backed by MSSQL databases.  The best part is that I won't deal with Work, Excel, and other Office product issues because in the next four years it will all be supplanted and flawless transitioned into some obviously much better product that can do it all better and most likely for free, or at least cheaper.
 
2013-04-06 10:22:49 AM  
*in the toy smartphone market

Fairly important qualifier was omitted.
 
2013-04-06 10:28:24 AM  

Generation_D: How can they be obsolete, there are still sprints left in the project.

In case any of you technoweenies hasn't noticed, IBM is still a global org with billions of revenue decades after some of you thought they'd be gone.


True, but given some of IBM's latest moves (i.e. outsource ALL the engineering!), I think it's fair to expect a slow decline from them.  Companies that large rarely collapse quickly.

If nothing else, Microsoft's sitting on a trove of internal tools that get daily use on campus, but are deemed not worth of shipping due to it not making a threshold of market sales. Any number of these could be turned into products. Thats how Sharepoint came into being. Seriously, the campus inside Redmond and elsewhere has more internally developed Windows tools. Its Windows Admin nirvana out there.

Microsoft does have some amazing engineering talent, but a lot of what they do seems to be adversely impacted by the company's internal politics.  Consider the Courier tablet: by all accounts Microsoft could have used it to beat Apple to the tablet market, but senior management killed it because the first version wouldn't be able to run Office.
 
2013-04-06 10:41:09 AM  
Microsoft patents allow it to receive $4-$5 per android device sold.
 
2013-04-06 10:46:25 AM  

anfrind: Generation_D: How can they be obsolete, there are still sprints left in the project.

In case any of you technoweenies hasn't noticed, IBM is still a global org with billions of revenue decades after some of you thought they'd be gone.

True, but given some of IBM's latest moves (i.e. outsource ALL the engineering!), I think it's fair to expect a slow decline from them.  Companies that large rarely collapse quickly.

If nothing else, Microsoft's sitting on a trove of internal tools that get daily use on campus, but are deemed not worth of shipping due to it not making a threshold of market sales. Any number of these could be turned into products. Thats how Sharepoint came into being. Seriously, the campus inside Redmond and elsewhere has more internally developed Windows tools. Its Windows Admin nirvana out there.

Microsoft does have some amazing engineering talent, but a lot of what they do seems to be adversely impacted by the company's internal politics.  Consider the Courier tablet: by all accounts Microsoft could have used it to beat Apple to the tablet market, but senior management killed it because the first version wouldn't be able to run Office.


Affirmative on the internal politics. All big companies have that, though.

And if you think "hive mind" is endemic to Microsoft, you haven't meet anyone at Google or Amazon or Facebook yet. Holy crap. Microsofties are grounded, well adjusted individuals compared to the internal derp that can happen at GOOG.
 
2013-04-06 11:11:57 AM  
Oh noes!!!  I need to go update my resume!!!

/No, I don't...
//Visual Studio and the rest of our development technologies ain't goin' anywhere...
 
2013-04-06 11:13:08 AM  

Bloody Templar: Oh noes!!!  I need to go update my resume!!!

/No, I don't...
//Visual Studio and the rest of our development technologies ain't goin' anywhere...


Visual Studio was better before Microsoft went full .NET

They should have never gone full .NET
 
2013-04-06 11:18:36 AM  
cman:

Visual Studio was better before Microsoft went full .NET

They should have never gone full .NET


Um...  I'm no expert or anything, but...
 
2013-04-06 11:52:24 AM  
If Steve Ballmer is still in charge in 4 years, I can totally believe it.
 
2013-04-06 11:57:16 AM  
Yeah, sure buddy. My Surface Pro is simply outstanding. I can do real work, including code in VS. I hardly touch my lappy any more.

hardly obsolete. Haters gonna hate.

That said, Ballmer needs to go.
 
2013-04-06 12:25:24 PM  
The year of the Linux desktop?
 
2013-04-06 12:40:14 PM  

Dinki: corq: That said their "innovations" on the desktop stopped some time ago.

That's pretty much because the vast majority of corporate users are quite satisfied with Windows 7. it does what they want, it's reliable and fairly secure. Their employees are used to it, and most importantly, their corporate software runs fine on it.


Windows 7?  LOL

Most places are STILL on XP.
 
2013-04-06 01:48:44 PM  
Usually I'd say this is not gonna happen, but then usually, they still had normal Word and a normal PC OS.

This Windows 8 will be their undoing, and they deserve every single second of it.

/Windows 8 is a f*cking retarded mess
//my PC is not a "dude, tabletz!!"
 
2013-04-06 01:57:53 PM  
Absolutely. That's why Steam is full of Mac only games, and the company I'm working for is developing a web application running on Android.

And the guy across the street from me uses a DEC-11/785, the woman next door is running Linux Mint, my brother plays flash games on his ME29 and the guy that I know that runs a sales company from home is using FreeBSD.

Windows? Sorry dude, I'm strictly BeOs.
 
2013-04-06 02:13:03 PM  

farkeruk: Absolutely. That's why Steam is full of Mac only games, and the company I'm working for is developing a web application running on Android.

And the guy across the street from me uses a DEC-11/785, the woman next door is running Linux Mint, my brother plays flash games on his ME29 and the guy that I know that runs a sales company from home is using FreeBSD.

Windows? Sorry dude, I'm strictly BeOs.


But what OS does your girlfriend and/or wife use?
 
2013-04-06 02:35:41 PM  
Win 8 is great to see on phones. Want. Might get. Though its funny seeing them come out at concerts or games because you always know its a MS employee that can't ignore email for 2 minutes even at 9 pm at a show someplace.

On PC? I think they messed up removing the possibility of a start menu or a configurable interface that people that just do normal work at a normal job want.
 
2013-04-06 03:31:57 PM  
I see way more iPads in my company's meetings than laptops.
 
2013-04-06 03:43:22 PM  

wingnut396: This is great news.  I'll be glad that in four short years we won't have to deal with Active Directory rights synchronization,  getting Exchange mail onto mobile devices, and won't be collaborating on work on Sharepoint servers backed by MSSQL databases.


Uh-oh.  Is it that bad?  I'm about to be plunged into that world.
 
2013-04-06 03:44:12 PM  

Generation_D: Win 8 is great to see on phones. Want. Might get. Though its funny seeing them come out at concerts or games because you always know its a MS employee that can't ignore email for 2 minutes even at 9 pm at a show someplace.

On PC? I think they messed up removing the possibility of a start menu or a configurable interface that people that just do normal work at a normal job want.


*in before the "You can still do that on Windows 8, you luddite peon!" crowd*

I've got a laptop with Windows 8 and the system is... meh. It's more of a minor inconvenience than an annoyance, not having the normal start menu, and nothing else on it has so far made up for that minor annoyance.

There are times where I do get annoyed, though, when I try to search for "Games" and get sucked into a stupid X-Box Live shiatty App Store which I can't quite figure out yet how to have on the screen with other windows. (right now I'm fairly convinced that this is the first PC I've bought with my own money that DOESN'T have Solitaire, Minesweeper and Hearts installed on it. Which unreasonably annoyed me the first time I went to play those games and couldn't find them.)

Re: Microsoft going Obsolete

It might happen, but if it does it's going to go obsolete because they're going to seriously misread the market, to a degree well above how they've misread the market for Windows 8. The market doesn't need a Windows 8, doesn't particularly want a Windows 8, and so the market isn't reacting very well to Windows 8. A bunch of us who have Windows 8 don't like it, but we don't hate it enough to demand it be taken off of any computer we buy or else we just won't buy the computer.

You take the misreading of the market with Windows 8 (sure, it's nice for Tablets, but for desktops and laptops it's not necessary at all.), then you toss in the errors you got with Windows ME and Vista, and you have Microsoft put serious amounts of capital into it, and then you'll find Microsoft going obsolete.
 
2013-04-06 03:53:08 PM  
The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.
 
2013-04-06 04:22:08 PM  

TyrantII: Dinki: corq: That said their "innovations" on the desktop stopped some time ago.

That's pretty much because the vast majority of corporate users are quite satisfied with Windows 7. it does what they want, it's reliable and fairly secure. Their employees are used to it, and most importantly, their corporate software runs fine on it.

Windows 7?  LOL

Most places are STILL on XP.


The numbers I've seen from the past year or so put Win7 at about a 45% user share with WinXP at 40%.

Now perhaps more corporate environments have stuck at XP while home users have largely migrated to Win7, skewing the percentages.  But I doubt the numbers are too far off even then.

MS hasn't been selling XP licenses for awhile, if a company obtains a new license its for Win7 (its backwards-compatible so you could install XP you if wished).  Any new rigs coming into the corp have Win7 preinstalled and old XP rigs die over time or are replaced when too slow.  A shop would need to be actively striving to stay at XP these days, and some do (lots of in-house coding that doesn't play nicely with Win7, I've seen it happen) but the aren't the majority.
 
2013-04-06 05:56:29 PM  
Microsoft is going to be as obsolete as IBM, in the sense that in a decade, people under 20 will think it's a small company.
 
2013-04-06 06:17:37 PM  

uncoveror: The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.


I see lots of kids using thier phones rather than desktops.
 
2013-04-06 06:32:22 PM  

HempHead: uncoveror: The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.

I see lots of kids using thier phones rather than desktops.


When a phone can easily run something equivalent to this, I'll be willing to consider that the PC might be dead:
regmedia.co.uk
 
2013-04-06 07:48:17 PM  
Oh it's dead all right: cdn0.mos.techradar.comanfrind:


HempHead: uncoveror: The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.

I see lots of kids using thier phones rather than desktops.

When a phone can easily run something equivalent to this, I'll be willing to consider that the PC might be dead:
[regmedia.co.uk image 600x491]
 
2013-04-06 08:17:32 PM  

anfrind: HempHead: uncoveror: The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.

I see lots of kids using thier phones rather than desktops.

When a phone can easily run something equivalent to this, I'll be willing to consider that the PC might be dead:
[regmedia.co.uk image 600x491]


I've run Eclipse on an iPad.

(via Vmware ViewClient).
 
2013-04-06 08:25:44 PM  
I think what we're going to see over the next few years is a shrinking of the "desktop" computer market back to the type of penetration it had in the mid-'90s, before everybody and their mom decided it was time to start surfing the Intermation Superhighweb.

Content creation -- from coding to DTP to video editing -- will still happen on workstations and notebooks.  But a lot of the people who currently use those devices for content consumption will find their needs are met by cheaper, less complex devices: tablets, smart TVs, etc.
 
2013-04-06 09:59:26 PM  

emonk: wingnut396: This is great news.  I'll be glad that in four short years we won't have to deal with Active Directory rights synchronization,  getting Exchange mail onto mobile devices, and won't be collaborating on work on Sharepoint servers backed by MSSQL databases.

Uh-oh.  Is it that bad?  I'm about to be plunged into that world.


Good, bad, doesn't matter.  The fact that it just is widely used is the important part.  MS has a huge install base throughout the business world that encompasses much more than desktop or mobile devices and as such, they are not going anywhere for a long time.  They may lose share, but it will take a while.  (Also don't forget that every mobile device out there that has "connect to Exchange" on the list of email types to connect to has paid MS the rights to put Active Sync on their device.  You may have an iPhone, but it has some MS in there...
 
2013-04-06 10:07:29 PM  
Gartner's got a great racket: sling bullshiat, get paid. I can't help but roll my eyes every time I hear "According to Gartner..." Take your magic quadrants and stick 'em up your ass, Gartner. Some of us are trying to do actual work.
 
2013-04-07 06:50:33 AM  

Generation_D: How can they be obsolete, there are still sprints left in the project.

In case any of you technoweenies hasn't noticed, IBM is still a global org with billions of revenue decades after some of you thought they'd be gone.

If nothing else, Microsoft's sitting on a trove of internal tools that get daily use on campus, but are deemed not worth of shipping due to it not making a threshold of market sales. Any number of these could be turned into products. Thats how Sharepoint came into being. Seriously, the campus inside Redmond and elsewhere has more internally developed Windows tools. Its Windows Admin nirvana out there.


Having worked wo Sharepoint, I can say with great conviction: No. Sharepoint is not a particularly good or well thought out product. It is a bodge of half finished tools to access a half baked backend of a chimera of an operating system.

Sharepoint is like a Rorschach test. "How can I do X?" Well, how do you want to do X? It's a free standing "How to shoot yourself in the foot" joke.

And I will never purchase a Microsoft operating system for a production server again after learning, during my certification, that following the system defaults for Active Directory will lead to the server eating itself alive after about 6 weeks of use.

(It sets itself up on one partition that it proceeds to fill with log files and backups until the hard drive fills up. PS never fill an NTFS volume.)
 
2013-04-07 06:57:28 AM  
Apologies, it was exchange that did that.
 
2013-04-07 07:06:57 AM  

wingnut396: Good, bad, doesn't matter.  The fact that it just is widely used is the important part.  MS has a huge install base throughout the business world that encompasses much more than desktop or mobile devices and as such, they are not going anywhere for a long time.  They may lose share, but it will take a while.  (Also don't forget that every mobile device out there that has "connect to Exchange" on the list of email types to connect to has paid MS the rights to put Active Sync on their device.  You may have an iPhone, but it has some MS in there...


THIS is why I say that Apple are more likely to be the first to go bankrupt than Microsoft.

Almost every company I know with at least half a dozen people is running on Windows and is set up that way. I don't know a single company that has switched from Windows to Linux or Mac.

On the other hand, I know 3 people who have recently bought Android phones, having owned iPhones. The people I know with Macs use things like Word, Safari, the DVD player. Apple products are rarely sticky (and even all the professional "media" apps run on Windows or Linux).
 
2013-04-07 10:43:56 AM  

sure haven't: Usually I'd say this is not gonna happen, but then usually, they still had normal Word and a normal PC OS.

This Windows 8 will be their undoing, and they deserve every single second of it.

/Windows 8 is a f*cking retarded mess
//my PC is not a "dude, tabletz!!"


This. I love W8 and have installed it on three PCs, but the very first thing I did was to then install Classic Shell to put back  proper start menu and functions. Touchscreen is not and never will be suited for desktop PCs. Unless you are working the till at McDonalds and need to press the picture of a Big Mac on the screen.
 
2013-04-07 10:54:05 AM  

Techhell: There are times where I do get annoyed, though, when I try to search for "Games" and get sucked into a stupid X-Box Live shiatty App Store which I can't quite figure out yet how to have on the screen with other windows. (right now I'm fairly convinced that this is the first PC I've bought with my own money that DOESN'T have Solitaire, Minesweeper and Hearts installed on it. Which unreasonably annoyed me the first time I went to play those games and couldn't find them.)


You can download the MS Games Collection from the Store, but they're not as good as the old XP/7 versions. They run full screen only, so you can't play games on a small screen while doing something else on another part of the screen. Fortunately I have dual monitors so I can run other things on the other screen.
Secondly they are just not as smooth or responsive as the old versions. Like when playing Spider Solitaire if you complete a run and they feed off the screen you have to wait for that to finish before you can move the next card. On XP you could move the next card straight away.
So it's the "new and improved App" that is significantly inferior to the old program.
 
2013-04-07 11:19:09 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Microsoft is going to be as obsolete as IBM, in the sense that in a decade, people under 20 will think it's a small company business software company.


FTFY. Microsoft is diminishing in the consumer market. The business side is good, but steady. It won't have the "Shut up and take my money" product launches that drive up stock prices like the consumer side did, though.
 
2013-04-07 01:49:33 PM  
The best thing they could do to stay on top with to do a 180 and make the Windows 9 UI fully customizable.
 
2013-04-07 02:30:36 PM  
As soon as I can play AAA games on Linux I will never look back.
 
2013-04-07 02:51:51 PM  

wingnut396: This is great news.  I'll be glad that in four short years we won't have to deal with Active Directory rights synchronization,  getting Exchange mail onto mobile devices, and won't be collaborating on work on Sharepoint servers backed by MSSQL databases.  The best part is that I won't deal with Work, Excel, and other Office product issues because in the next four years it will all be supplanted and flawless transitioned into some obviously much better product that can do it all better and most likely for free, or at least cheaper.


Office 360?
Azure?

/Oh, you said free/cheap
//"Flawless transition", HAAAAAAAA!
 
2013-04-07 03:36:21 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Techhell: There are times where I do get annoyed, though, when I try to search for "Games" and get sucked into a stupid X-Box Live shiatty App Store which I can't quite figure out yet how to have on the screen with other windows. (right now I'm fairly convinced that this is the first PC I've bought with my own money that DOESN'T have Solitaire, Minesweeper and Hearts installed on it. Which unreasonably annoyed me the first time I went to play those games and couldn't find them.)

You can download the MS Games Collection from the Store, but they're not as good as the old XP/7 versions. They run full screen only, so you can't play games on a small screen while doing something else on another part of the screen. Fortunately I have dual monitors so I can run other things on the other screen.
Secondly they are just not as smooth or responsive as the old versions. Like when playing Spider Solitaire if you complete a run and they feed off the screen you have to wait for that to finish before you can move the next card. On XP you could move the next card straight away.
So it's the "new and improved App" that is significantly inferior to the old program.


I'm not entirely sure why, but this is making me giggle uncontrollably. I'm fairly certain that if I had actually found these games, downloaded them and tried them, I would have had an instant unreasonable Rage Attack, followed by spewing copious amounts of overblown bile at the nearest "Windows" thread (which may have caused quite reasonable rage attacks against me for threadshiatting in their "How to Stop Birds Flying Into Windows" thead) about the insanity of Windows farking up such a simple thing.

But to hear about it rather than experiencing it myself? Turns this into a source of amusement at the insanity of Microsoft. Ahh... *Shakes head*
 
2013-04-07 04:39:09 PM  

TyrantII: Dinki: corq: That said their "innovations" on the desktop stopped some time ago.

That's pretty much because the vast majority of corporate users are quite satisfied with Windows 7. it does what they want, it's reliable and fairly secure. Their employees are used to it, and most importantly, their corporate software runs fine on it.

Windows 7?  LOL

Most places are STILL on XP.


Yes.
 
2013-04-07 04:43:38 PM  

anfrind: HempHead: uncoveror: The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.

I see lots of kids using thier phones rather than desktops.

When a phone can easily run something equivalent to this, I'll be willing to consider that the PC might be dead:
[regmedia.co.uk image 600x491]


Nobody cares what coders think "real work" is.  People who code are a fraction of a fraction. 

Desktops sales have been giving way to laptops for years.  Mobile sales have been pushing both aside.
 
2013-04-07 06:01:01 PM  

Techhell: Flint Ironstag: Techhell: There are times where I do get annoyed, though, when I try to search for "Games" and get sucked into a stupid X-Box Live shiatty App Store which I can't quite figure out yet how to have on the screen with other windows. (right now I'm fairly convinced that this is the first PC I've bought with my own money that DOESN'T have Solitaire, Minesweeper and Hearts installed on it. Which unreasonably annoyed me the first time I went to play those games and couldn't find them.)

You can download the MS Games Collection from the Store, but they're not as good as the old XP/7 versions. They run full screen only, so you can't play games on a small screen while doing something else on another part of the screen. Fortunately I have dual monitors so I can run other things on the other screen.
Secondly they are just not as smooth or responsive as the old versions. Like when playing Spider Solitaire if you complete a run and they feed off the screen you have to wait for that to finish before you can move the next card. On XP you could move the next card straight away.
So it's the "new and improved App" that is significantly inferior to the old program.

I'm not entirely sure why, but this is making me giggle uncontrollably. I'm fairly certain that if I had actually found these games, downloaded them and tried them, I would have had an instant unreasonable Rage Attack, followed by spewing copious amounts of overblown bile at the nearest "Windows" thread (which may have caused quite reasonable rage attacks against me for threadshiatting in their "How to Stop Birds Flying Into Windows" thead) about the insanity of Windows farking up such a simple thing.

But to hear about it rather than experiencing it myself? Turns this into a source of amusement at the insanity of Microsoft. Ahh... *Shakes head*


If I hadn't had a two monitor setup I'm sure I'd have done what you suggest. At least I can get around one of the huge backward steps. Sort of. But you're right. How can taking away a function Windows has had for two decades, being able to change the size and position of a window and being able to have several windows on screen at the same time, be anything other than a huge step back. Logically it shouldn't be called Windows any more. It should be "Window". Or "No More Multitasking".

/No, Snap isn't the same. Not even close.
//If I want a touchscreen OS I'll buy a touchscreen.

And I still think that had MS shipped W8 as I have it now, with Classic Shell, in other words with Metro as an option rather than being forced to use, W8 would have been a hit. All the benefits of Windows with added touchscreen features for if/when you upgrade! It's win/win!

But no.... They had to screw the pooch and force people to use the touch UI by taking away the Start button and menu and force people to go looking for things hidden in corners, run programmes where you can't change the window size, have those hidden buttons pop up when you accidentally move the mouse anywhere near them and make people with years of Windows experience have to sit there trying to work out "How the hell do I get out of this program?"
 
2013-04-07 08:22:48 PM  

Generation_D: Any number of these could be turned into products. Thats how Sharepoint came into being. Seriously, the campus inside Redmond and elsewhere has more internally developed Windows tools. Its Windows Admin nirvana out there.


In my meager ten year old career, I've seen no less than a dozen people fired over Sharepoint. Mostly middle managers who pissed away millions without being able to get the product to do as promised.

Sharepoint didn't so much come into being as it was shat into existence.

cdn.gunaxin.com
 
2013-04-07 10:48:06 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Generation_D: Any number of these could be turned into products. Thats how Sharepoint came into being. Seriously, the campus inside Redmond and elsewhere has more internally developed Windows tools. Its Windows Admin nirvana out there.

In my meager ten year old career, I've seen no less than a dozen people fired over Sharepoint. Mostly middle managers who pissed away millions without being able to get the product to do as promised.

Sharepoint didn't so much come into being as it was shat into existence.


This does not bode well for someone I work with, then....

Either way, Microsoft suffers from Facebook Syndrome:  they fark with something that does a good job to give them a reason to make more cash.  While this was SOP for a long time, it just creates an environment where people simply don't bother to upgrade.  How long did XP exist, just chugging along and such?  Microsoft needs to leave well enough alone on the consumer front and concentrate on their business line.  They don't really control the discussion anymore; it's all about the consumer finally realizing that you don't have to upgrade every single time and you can simply get by with what you have.  Not the safest way, but it beats paying to be a beta tester on some wildly idiotic experiment like Windows 8.
 
2013-04-08 12:57:50 AM  

theurge14: anfrind: HempHead: uncoveror: The only way Microsoft will go the way of the dinosaur is if there is a viable alternative for the desktop. Mac, an obscenely high priced boutique product, is not it. Linux, with its countless versions made by a million undirected tinkerers, and the unrealistic expectation that everyone can use the command line, is not it either. Maybe Google has the marketplace clout to get it done.

I see lots of kids using thier phones rather than desktops.

When a phone can easily run something equivalent to this, I'll be willing to consider that the PC might be dead:
[regmedia.co.uk image 600x491]

Nobody cares what coders think "real work" is.  People who code are a fraction of a fraction.

Desktops sales have been giving way to laptops for years.  Mobile sales have been pushing both aside.


You completely missed my point.  Yes, an ordinary user can do pretty much everything they need on a smartphone or tablet (in fact I use my smartphone extensively when I'm away from a computer), but as of right now all smartphone and tablet apps are written on desktop or laptop computers.
 
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