You used to be cool, NC.

"Before I get into the nitty gritty ..."

"smirkword:: n.,  word or short phrase that always makes you smirk once you know its true meaning.

"nitty gritty:"  n., 1930s black slang, the last two inches of a vagina

propasaurus: You used to be cool, NC.

citation needed.

Take H.J.R. 494, for example. This resolution would establish a state religion in North Carolina. I think we all know what religion that implies.

Well, it would if it was a bill.  Instead, it's a meaningless resolution breathlessly quoted by stupid college students who don't understand how government works.  Like this author.

You'd think if she was spending time in DC she'd understand how all of this works, but I guess high school Civics classes are failing these days.

Lsherm: Take H.J.R. 494, for example. This resolution would establish a state religion in North Carolina. I think we all know what religion that implies.

Well, it would if it was a bill.  Instead, it's a meaningless resolution breathlessly quoted by stupid college students who don't understand how government works.  Like this author.

You'd think if she was spending time in DC she'd understand how all of this works, but I guess high school Civics classes are failing these days.

It's still pretty farked up. They may as well declare that this state wants to secede from the union.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2013
H D
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION DRHJR10194-MM-54 (03/19)
Sponsors: Representatives Ford and Warren (Primary Sponsors).
Referred to:
*DRHJR10194-MM-54*
1 A JOINT RESOLUTION TO PROCLAIM THE ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA,
2 DEFENSE OF RELIGION ACT OF 2013.
3 Whereas, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of 
4 the United States reads:"...Congress shall make no law respecting an Establishment of 
5 Religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."; and
6 Whereas, this prohibition does not apply to states, municipalities, or schools; and
7 Whereas, in recent times, the federal judiciary has incorporated states, 
8 municipalities, and schools into the Establishment Clause prohibitions on Congress; and
9 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads: "The 
10 powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, 
11 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
12 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States prohibits 
13 the federal government and prohibits the federal courts from expanding the powers of the 
14 federal government beyond those powers which are explicitly enumerated; and
15 Whereas, the Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal 
16 government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not 
17 constitutional; therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United 
18 States, the power to determine constitutionality and the proper interpretation and proper 
19 application of the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people; and
20 Whereas, each state in the union is sovereign and may independently determine how 
21 that state may make laws respecting an establishment of religion; and
22 Whereas, Rowan County, North Carolina, asserts that the protections afforded to 
23 citizens of the United States under the First Amendment are not in any way to be abridged 
24 when such citizens become government actors by virtue of their appointment, election, 
25 contract, employment, or otherwise engagement; and
26 Whereas, Rowan County, North Carolina, requests and encourages the North 
27 Carolina General Assembly to pass a resolution declaring that the State of North Carolina does 
28 not recognize the authority of federal judicial opinions arising from the exertion of powers not 
29 granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; Now, therefore,
30 Be it resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:
31 SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution 
32 of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws 
33 respecting an establishment of religion.
34 SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal 
35 court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public 
36 schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an 
37 establishment of religion.

sammyk: Lsherm: Take H.J.R. 494, for example. This resolution would establish a state religion in North Carolina. I think we all know what religion that implies.

Well, it would if it was a bill.  Instead, it's a meaningless resolution breathlessly quoted by stupid college students who don't understand how government works.  Like this author.

You'd think if she was spending time in DC she'd understand how all of this works, but I guess high school Civics classes are failing these days.

It's still pretty farked up. They may as well declare that this state wants to secede from the union.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2013
H D
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION DRHJR10194-MM-54 (03/19)
Sponsors: Representatives Ford and Warren (Primary Sponsors).
Referred to:
*DRHJR10194-MM-54*
1 A JOINT RESOLUTION TO PROCLAIM THE ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA,
2 DEFENSE OF RELIGION ACT OF 2013.
3 Whereas, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of
4 the United States reads:"...Congress shall make no law respecting an Establishment of
5 Religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."; and
6 Whereas, this prohibition does not apply to states, municipalities, or schools; and
7 Whereas, in recent times, the federal judiciary has incorporated states,
8 municipalities, and schools into the Establishment Clause prohibitions on Congress; and
9 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads: "The
10 powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
11 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
12 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States prohibits
13 the federal government and prohibits the federal courts from expanding the powers of the
14 federal government beyond those powers which are explicitly enumerated; and
15 Whereas, the Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal
16 government and does not grant the fe ...

It's a farking resolution by two state reps.  It has as much weight as a letter to the UN.

It probably has even less weight than that, because if you read it, it's just a resolution urging the state General Assembly to pass ANOTHER resolution with the same words in this resolution, which would be yet another meaningless act.



This is liberal panic, and it's nonsense.  Stupid people wrote a resolution for a small district in NC, and even stupider people quote it as proof that their worst fears are being realized.

Lsherm: This is liberal panic, and it's nonsense.  Stupid people wrote a resolution for a small district in NC, and even stupider people quote it as proof that their worst fears are being realized.

I don't see any panic by anybody. I do see a whole lot of facepalming over this silly shiat.

We've been so preoccupied with worrying about the about a crazy liberal state that we turned into an insane assylum

Before I get into the nitty gritty, I just want to get something off my chest.

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Ok, it's early, and I'm not firing on all cylinders.

/More coffee please ...

Between this and the cursive handwriting thread, NC ain't getting no love from Fark today.

Dear Jamison Doran:

While I applaud your attempt to talk some sense into North Carolina, I must inform you that you are pissing in the wind.  The U.S. is dividing itself along ideological lines - overweening left-wing f*ckwits in the large cities, New England and the West Coast; and batshiat-crazy religious right-wing f*ckwits just about everywhere else and especially in the Southeast.  Even people who have been traditionally centrist are getting caught up in the outward motion of the two sides.

North Carolina, like the rest of the Southeast, is merrily hurtling toward the right with willful abandon.  Best that you stay in the DC projects, it will soon be much safer than being a non-Christian, non-Republican in the South.

Best,

Benevolent Misanthrope

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dear Jamison Doran:

While I applaud your attempt to talk some sense into North Carolina, I must inform you that you are pissing in the wind.  The U.S. is dividing itself along ideological lines - overweening left-wing f*ckwits in the large cities, New England and the West Coast; and batshiat-crazy religious right-wing f*ckwits just about everywhere else and especially in the Southeast.  Even people who have been traditionally centrist are getting caught up in the outward motion of the two sides.

North Carolina, like the rest of the Southeast, is merrily hurtling toward the right with willful abandon.  Best that you stay in the DC projects, it will soon be much safer than being a non-Christian, non-Republican in the South.

Best,

Benevolent Misanthrope

"Overweening left wing fukwits?"

you bet, we're everywhere out here. better stay in your home in the middle of someplace else.

Tell you what though, we won't be the ones shooting up the mall or trying to pass laws on birth control requirements or religion.

Happy Hours: Even if that is the origin of the term, it's not what it means now. It's also why I laugh at people who get all technical about the word "decimate". Words do have meanings, but they change with time.

It is my understanding that "decimate" in English has always traditionally meant destroy, ignoring it's roots as a Roman disciplinary exercise to remove 10% of the soldiers.

Personally I hate the word being used that way, so I hope you are right and that it does change. We have a lot of synonyms for destroy, but we don't have any words (that I'm aware of) that mean to reduce by 10%. "Decimate" would be a great word to fill such a roll. :p ;)

FWIW, I never knew the origin of "nitty gritty", but now that I know it, I'm glad, because I'll be grinning like an idiot whenever anyone uses it from now on. :D

Generation_D: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dear Jamison Doran:

While I applaud your attempt to talk some sense into North Carolina, I must inform you that you are pissing in the wind.  The U.S. is dividing itself along ideological lines - overweening left-wing f*ckwits in the large cities, New England and the West Coast; and batshiat-crazy religious right-wing f*ckwits just about everywhere else and especially in the Southeast.  Even people who have been traditionally centrist are getting caught up in the outward motion of the two sides.

North Carolina, like the rest of the Southeast, is merrily hurtling toward the right with willful abandon.  Best that you stay in the DC projects, it will soon be much safer than being a non-Christian, non-Republican in the South.

Best,

Benevolent Misanthrope

"Overweening left wing fukwits?"

you bet, we're everywhere out here. better stay in your home in the middle of someplace else.

Tell you what though, we won't be the ones shooting up the mall or trying to pass laws on birth control requirements or religion.

I'm enough of a Democrat that the Democrats in coastal Washington State wanted to run me for office.  So you can fark right off with that martyr bullshiat.

If you don't see that the country is polarizing and there's no place left for centrists in the U.S. political system, then you're either an idiot or you're not paying attention.

I can certainly see you'd have won big on the personality needed to run for office.

As for these "Democrats in Coastal Washington State," who did you text or friend that said you should run? Might be interesting to run that network through a parser and see where it leads.

BarkingUnicorn: "Before I get into the nitty gritty ..."

"smirkword:: n.,  word or short phrase that always makes you smirk once you know its true meaning.

"nitty gritty:"  n., 1930s black slang, the last two inches of a vagina

That's funny because I actually stopped reading at "nitty gritty".  I probably agree with the author.....but the writing was terribad from the first sentence.

C/S/B. In the 1990s I was a regular at this bistro on way to school. Every morning a Canadian expat got his coffee and then sat there regaling the rest of us with 1) how bad the USA was, 2) how much better it is in Canada, and 3) why the USA would never measure up to Canada.

At one point I probably said "you know what, its too bad you can't run for office! You'd make a real difference."

He failed to detect my Coastal Washington State irony.

I'd still see that guy standing waiting for the #8 bus on Olive Way years later, looking just as pissed off at the world as ever.

Happy Hours: BarkingUnicorn: "Before I get into the nitty gritty ..."

"smirkword:: n.,  word or short phrase that always makes you smirk once you know its true meaning.

"nitty gritty:"  n., 1930s black slang, the last two inches of a vagina

Even if that is the origin of the term, it's not what it means now. It's also why I laugh at people who get all technical about the word "decimate". Words do have meanings, but they change with time.

True but the use of "nitty gritty" was just amateurish and an intellectual turn-off

Lsherm: Take H.J.R. 494, for example. This resolution would establish a state religion in North Carolina. I think we all know what religion that implies.

Well, it would if it was a bill.  Instead, it's a meaningless resolution breathlessly quoted by stupid college students who don't understand how government works.  Like this author.

You'd think if she was spending time in DC she'd understand how all of this works, but I guess high school Civics classes are failing these days.

Must be the untrained charter school teachers.

sno man: Lsherm: Take H.J.R. 494, for example. This resolution would establish a state religion in North Carolina. I think we all know what religion that implies.

Well, it would if it was a bill.  Instead, it's a meaningless resolution breathlessly quoted by stupid college students who don't understand how government works.  Like this author.

You'd think if she was spending time in DC she'd understand how all of this works, but I guess high school Civics classes are failing these days.

Must be the untrained charter school teachers.

Yeah, charter schools are failing DC twenty-something females.

Are you retarded, or are you just a product of a typical public school?  I can't tell.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Generation_D: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dear Jamison Doran:

While I applaud your attempt to talk some sense into North Carolina, I must inform you that you are pissing in the wind.  The U.S. is dividing itself along ideological lines - overweening left-wing f*ckwits in the large cities, New England and the West Coast; and batshiat-crazy religious right-wing f*ckwits just about everywhere else and especially in the Southeast.  Even people who have been traditionally centrist are getting caught up in the outward motion of the two sides.

North Carolina, like the rest of the Southeast, is merrily hurtling toward the right with willful abandon.  Best that you stay in the DC projects, it will soon be much safer than being a non-Christian, non-Republican in the South.

Best,

Benevolent Misanthrope

"Overweening left wing fukwits?"

you bet, we're everywhere out here. better stay in your home in the middle of someplace else.

Tell you what though, we won't be the ones shooting up the mall or trying to pass laws on birth control requirements or religion.

I'm enough of a Democrat that the Democrats in coastal Washington State wanted to run me for office.  So you can fark right off with that martyr bullshiat.

If you don't see that the country is polarizing and there's no place left for centrists in the U.S. political system, then you're either an idiot or you're not paying attention.

It sucks.

We are in deep trouble in this nation. Al-Qaeda isnt the threat; Democrats and Republicans are not the threat; Socialists and fascists are not the threat; human nature is the threat. The psychological need to win at all costs is what is the biggest problem with us. We dont give a shiat about anything else but winning.

Humans must evolve or we will kill each other.

Generation_D: I can certainly see you'd have won big on the personality needed to run for office.

As for these "Democrats in Coastal Washington State," who did you text or friend that said you should run? Might be interesting to run that network through a parser and see where it leads.

LOL

I now live in Canada and can't run.  I was approached by two union political action committees, the Progressive Women's Network, and the Democratic Party, after speaking several times at events, serving as a delegate to the State Convention, working a couple campaigns and serving as a Precinct Committee Officer.  What have you done for the Democrats lately?

cman: We are in deep trouble in this nation. Al-Qaeda isnt the threat; Democrats and Republicans are not the threat; Socialists and fascists are not the threat; human nature is the threat. The psychological need to win at all costs is what is the biggest problem with us. We dont give a shiat about anything else but winning.

Humans must evolve or we will kill each other.

Agreed, though I don't see how we change it.  Feminists say it's an inherent male tendency, "men's rights" guys say it's the female economy of withholding reproduction that causes it, and there's no real answer to how to change it.  It amazes me sometimes in a nation of such bounty that people are still squabbling over resources.

Lsherm: sno man: Lsherm: Take H.J.R. 494, for example. This resolution would establish a state religion in North Carolina. I think we all know what religion that implies.

Well, it would if it was a bill.  Instead, it's a meaningless resolution breathlessly quoted by stupid college students who don't understand how government works.  Like this author.

You'd think if she was spending time in DC she'd understand how all of this works, but I guess high school Civics classes are failing these days.

Must be the untrained charter school teachers.

Yeah, charter schools are failing DC twenty-something females.

Are you retarded, or are you just a product of a typical public school?  I can't tell.

Wow straight to retarded, with all the grace and elegance of a master of the English language and a clearly superior education, you must be smart.
You suggested the author's education was lacking, the article mentions educators in charter schools no longer being required to have any education background, but I'm guessing you didn't get that far. With your delicate sensibilities being offended and all.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Generation_D: I can certainly see you'd have won big on the personality needed to run for office.

As for these "Democrats in Coastal Washington State," who did you text or friend that said you should run? Might be interesting to run that network through a parser and see where it leads.

LOL

I now live in Canada and can't run.  I was approached by two union political action committees, the Progressive Women's Network, and the Democratic Party, after speaking several times at events, serving as a delegate to the State Convention, working a couple campaigns and serving as a Precinct Committee Officer.  What have you done for the Democrats lately?

Voted for them in every election in Washington State since 1992. Despite some really weak candidates, there are still no other options. Unless you want tea baggers and born-agains outlawing abortion.

It's the farking dominionists. There should be a hunting season.

Lsherm: Instead, it's a meaningless resolution

...sponsored by two elected Representatives from North Carolina, and probably would get at least 40% of the vote by North Carolinians if it were put on an election ballot.

Seriously, North Carolina, WTF is wrong with you?

North Carolina State Legislature: Republican Controlled

Found your problem.

Happy Hours: propasaurus: You used to be cool, NC.

When?

Can someone summarize the article? I read the first few paragraphs but all the author did was say how much he loved NC and never got to the point.

I got bored.

She.

It's basically a list of some of the stupid shiat the legislature here:

The "we can make a state religion" bill.
Repealing legislation that protects defendants from racial bias in jury trials
A bill to allow kids as young as 13 be put in the adult criminal justice system (and removing oversight)
A bill to remove licensing requirements for teachers at charter schools
Making it harder for college kids to vote.
Trying to ban co-ed apartments at UNC
The proposed 2-year waiting period for a divorce

Epoch_Zero: Seriously, North Carolina, WTF is wrong with you?

North Carolina State Legislature: Republican Controlled

Found your problem.

That's half the problem. The other half: Republican governor.

cman: We've been so preoccupied with worrying about the about a crazy liberal state that we turned into an insane assylum

 N.C. is a liberal state now?

Lsherm: This is liberal panic, and it's nonsense.

Leave it to a conservative to interpret "wow, this is stupid shiat" as panic.  Pro Tip: Liberals don't get pants-shiattingly terrified of anything and everything that doesn't conform to their expected view of reality.  Liberals don't go on national television and talk breathlessly about death panels, Muslim infiltrators in Congress, anchor babies, Christian persecution, or the encroaching threat of Sharia law.

Though, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you can't tell the difference between contempt and fear.  Your political masters have plenty of both for you.

Benevolent Misanthrope: If you don't see that the country is polarizing and there's no place left for centrists in the U.S. political system, then you're either an idiot or you're not paying attention.

Really

Lsherm: This is liberal panic, and it's nonsense

No, it's "conservative" stupidity and liberal head-shaking, as in "WTF is wrong with you dipshiats?"

People ask for background checks and the bubbas go apeshiat.  They talk about state religions and they say - at best - "meh."

The south needs to go.  Let them secede and have a third-world theocratic plutocracy with mandatory gun ownership and a ban on science.  I'm sure it will be a fkn paradise.

Don't try to make this a case of liberals' overreaction.  This is "conservative"/Republican idiocy.  Period.

Evil Twin Skippy: I'm originally from Pennsylvania. I live in Virginia now. And There's plenty of dipshiat legislation in both places. And yet... If you go back through time, crazy laws have existed since laws were written.

There are places where you need to have 3 hands to drive a bicycle. (Signal turns, AND use hand signals at the same time.) Pennsylvania liquor control board anyone?

Batshiat crazy legislators is not new. Being able to read about their stupidity in a timely fashion, that is new.

Well yes and no. I agree crazy laws are always around but..


The derpy right wing culture war has picked up steam since the 2010 election -- all those tea baggers running on "small government" platforms immediately started enacting "big government" laws when it comes to personal morality.

There's similar charts available on other subects, from gay rights to school prayer to establishing Christianity as the only true religion, etc.

Enacting derp is what tea baggers do. And will keep doing until they're kicked out.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Generation_D: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dear Jamison Doran:

While I applaud your attempt to talk some sense into North Carolina, I must inform you that you are pissing in the wind.  The U.S. is dividing itself along ideological lines - overweening left-wing f*ckwits in the large cities, New England and the West Coast; and batshiat-crazy religious right-wing f*ckwits just about everywhere else and especially in the Southeast.  Even people who have been traditionally centrist are getting caught up in the outward motion of the two sides.

North Carolina, like the rest of the Southeast, is merrily hurtling toward the right with willful abandon.  Best that you stay in the DC projects, it will soon be much safer than being a non-Christian, non-Republican in the South.

Best,

Benevolent Misanthrope

"Overweening left wing fukwits?"

you bet, we're everywhere out here. better stay in your home in the middle of someplace else.

Tell you what though, we won't be the ones shooting up the mall or trying to pass laws on birth control requirements or religion.

I'm enough of a Democrat that the Democrats in coastal Washington State wanted to run me for office.  So you can fark right off with that martyr bullshiat.

If you don't see that the country is polarizing and there's no place left for centrists in the U.S. political system, then you're either an idiot or you're not paying attention.

What?

If you think this country still has a left wing, you are either an idiot or you are not paying attention.

Pud: Before I get into the nitty gritty, I just want to get something off my chest.

picts. or it didn't

Ok, it's early, and I'm not firing on all cylinders.

/More coffee please ...



happy now?