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(Telegraph)   How friendly is the relationship between China and Best Korea right now? Well, when Chinese officials refer to Kim Jong-Un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", what does that tell you?   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 37
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2013-04-05 06:56:40 PM
3 votes:

fusillade762: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 386x480]


vernonFL: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x319]

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!

I hear you can fit six girlies in one of those.


What I can't figure out is, wtf are all these generals and stooges all decorated for?  You know, wtf did they DO to get all those flashy ribbons and twizzlers and fizzbangers on their unis?
2013-04-05 05:54:09 PM
3 votes:
Great.  They use pejorative names to describe the Kim Jongs.  How about, instead, they put their bastard child back in the box?  "Best" Korea is China's legacy; they're the ones that need to deal with it.  If it weren't for them, they'd have a stable, unified, thriving capitalist Korean peninsula with which to trade and make more money today.

Instead, they've let this boil on the ass of humanity fester.
2013-04-05 04:47:13 PM
3 votes:
You had me going there subby. Officials aren't at the name calling stage yet. The general Chinese populace has been calling him that pretty much since the day he took over.
2013-04-05 07:23:22 PM
2 votes:

SirEattonHogg: fusillade762

What I can't figure out is, wtf are all these generals and stooges all decorated for?  You know, wtf did they DO to get all those flashy ribbons and twizzlers and fizzbangers on their unis?

So, I'm no expert on North Korean uniforms, but having watched plenty of clips of DPRK generals and officers, that picture looks like some kind of BS photoshop.  Sure, some countries love to go nuts with the military decorations but medals on their pants and all along their sleeves?  Yeah right.

/And I'm not just talkin pixels.


Ah, it appears you are correct. Here's the original.

images.plus613.net

That's still a lot of medals for people who have probably never seen combat.
2013-04-05 07:00:40 PM
2 votes:

vernonFL: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x319]

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!


Man, even the cars have cool hats!
2013-04-05 06:58:40 PM
2 votes:
f.kulfoto.com

/mama grizzly has spoken!
2013-04-05 06:42:34 PM
2 votes:
Yeah.

Good cop. Bad cop.

When the Chi-coms put a bullet in the back of the head of a political prisoner, harvest his organs and sell his body so it can be displayed in "science" museums around the world, well, that political prisoner had it coming.

Just remember who the party is that's selling us melamine-laced foods, "farm" raised fish from sewers, etc.

The Communist Chinese love North Korea. Best Korea makes them look real good to the West.
2013-04-05 05:49:54 PM
2 votes:

brantgoose: (not the twilighty show with the sparkly vampires who mope about like emos, the old one).


Why couldn't you just say The Twilight Zone and save yourself a whole sentence?
2013-04-06 12:38:06 AM
1 votes:
PS:

J. Frank Parnell:  But China isn't dependent on the US for anything

Well, there is the fact that if the US stopped paying it's debts, China would collapse like Pee Wee Herman in a fight with Ken Shamrock.
2013-04-06 12:04:51 AM
1 votes:
Fatty Kim may have some screws loose up there but I don't think he is suicidal. Even he must know any actual shooting on his part will culminate in the destruction of his regime if not his own life and his family's nevermind the entire country. Last I check he has a wife and daughter and while the rest of Korea may not have access to world news even he must know what happened to folks like Saddam, OBL, Ghadafi etc to name a few.

I'm beginning to wonder if he is seeking some sort of an out. I mean this guy grew up in a very sheltered lifestyle and spent his most formative years living in Western Europe, going to the most exclusive schools there and living a lavished lifestyle there. Then his dad suddenly dies and he is thrust into a position he may not really want to be in. Perhaps by making all this ruckus, in his own distorted mind he is thinking that some sort of a deal can be cut where he can relinquish his position and live somewhere else as some reclusive billionaire BUT achieving it by also appearing as some sort of a strong anti western hero who stood up against the mighty and tyrannical US to the eyes of the average N Korean to preserve his legacy and his family's.

While he maybe the ruler of NK I'm sure his life is very regimented and scripted. He is probably being watch 24/7 by people closest to him.. it's not easy for him to secretly meet some spies/CIA types etc to discuss his intentions nor can he just hope on a plane and say see ya! w/o totally destroying his credibility. Unlike 99.9% of N Koreans he is most definitely NOT brainwashed. Crazy maybe but not brainwashed.

If he hates Americans as much as people think he does he MOST definitely won't meet someone like Dennis Rodman and his entourage of all people.

Anyway just my 2 c.
2013-04-05 11:37:18 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Go and READ and educate yourself before you throw out plainly bad information.

As you type on a keyboard made in China, looking at a screen made in China, wearing clothes made in China, sitting in a chair made in China, with maybe a TV on in the background made in China, and a cellphone nearby made in China. (don't bother clarifying it's a wooden chair your grandpa made or something, i think you get my point).

The US is dependent on Chinese goods. There's no denying that. But China isn't dependent on the US for anything. Everything it gets from the US it could easily get somewhere else at the same prices. That was my main point.


Completely irrelevant to your ridiculously erroneous statements regarding the status of the US in regards to exports.

The rest of your thinking is highly speculative, and based on pretty shaky assumptions, as well.  I'm going to simply lol in your general direction and slip out of this wet mess of a discussion and pray that you take 10 minutes to educate yourself in the basics of a discussion before engaging the loose nut between your Chinese made keyboard and your Chinese made chair.
2013-04-05 11:04:55 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: 
The US doesn't really have much in the way of exports, and is primarily an importer.



J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Not much in the way of exports...Really?

I never said it had no exports. Just that there's significantly more importing.

And the major thing is manufacturing. What the US exports are mainly raw materials, but it imports most of its manufactured items. If it suddenly didn't have China to manufacture things cheaply it wouldn't recover quickly, if at all.


I think you may well need to get examined for memory issues.  You may have a leak.

And the slightest glance at the link I've already provided shows that the US exports mostly Machines, oil, air craft, electronics, medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, organic chemicals, plastics.

NONE OF WHICH ARE RAW MATERIALS.  Are you dense?  Go and READ and educate yourself before you throw out plainly bad information.
2013-04-05 10:43:18 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Also, the global trade situation is completely different now. China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.

The US doesn't really have much in the way of exports, and is primarily an importer. Anything China gets from the US would be a small percentage of what it gets from everywhere.

If trade between the two ceased it would hurt the US far more. Practically every US business relies on cheap things made in China, but China can always just sell that stuff to another country. Sure, China might make a little less for awhile, but the US economy would be absolutely destroyed.


Not much in the way of exports...Really?

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_exports.html
2013-04-05 09:37:27 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: doyner:  That was a national embarrassment--a breakdown of our command structure.  We've learned since then and so have the Chinese.  I doubt very seriously that we'd make much of a stink if China invaded and used some equivalent of the Bush doctrine as justification; claiming they were "liberating" the Best Koreans from a brutal dictatorship.

Also, the global trade situation is completely different now.  China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.  Any stoppage of trade between the two countries would immediately throw both into a depression.

That may be...but saying "Oh, things are different now" didn't stop us from going into Iraq and making a huge clusterf*ck of the whole thing, did it? Just like we did in Vietnam, and for exactly the same reason. So China staying out of Korea can only be...because things are NOT different now, and they know it.


Neither Iraq nor Vietnam were even blips on the radar in terms of trade with the US.  Hundreds of billions would be lost by the 0.1% wealthiest people in the world if the US and China broke off trade.
2013-04-05 08:49:51 PM
1 votes:
We need to collectively, as a nation, say in one loud voice to our leaders, proudly, here and now; Do not bomb the classic cars!
2013-04-05 08:26:57 PM
1 votes:
One of the wonders of Fark.... I didn't know until googling around in relation to this thread, but evidently Chiang Kai-Shek was big on vintage Cadillacs.

Seriously... Google "chiang kai-shek cadillac" without the quotes.

Still doesn't have anything on the Cambodian royal hearses:

i45.tinypic.com

"I'll take Asian megalomaniacs pimp-mobiles for $5000, Alex."
2013-04-05 08:04:00 PM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Yeah.

Good cop. Bad cop.

When the Chi-coms put a bullet in the back of the head of a political prisoner, harvest his organs and sell his body so it can be displayed in "science" museums around the world, well, that political prisoner had it coming.

Just remember who the party is that's selling us melamine-laced foods, "farm" raised fish from sewers, etc.

The Communist Chinese love North Korea. Best Korea makes them look real good to the West.



THIS
But wait, there's more
No matter which century it is
The Han have always ruled in both countries.
To China, this is the little brother Han, acting up again.
They take a long view on Korea, all of Korea.
2013-04-05 07:56:21 PM
1 votes:
Latinwolf:

Mantour: [f.kulfoto.com image 500x423]

/mama grizzly has spoken!

I can picture her saying something like that.


She came pretty close
2013-04-05 07:49:32 PM
1 votes:

rockforever: Why do people think the Chinese are allied to NKorea?
.


Because China has a defense pact treaty with them?
2013-04-05 07:49:28 PM
1 votes:
WhoopAssWayne:

vernonFL: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x319]

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!

40 year old American road iron and they don't even blink at what that says about them as a nation.


Hey now! Having owned and restored over 6 tons of 40 year old American road iron, I'd say this is one place where I'd agree with the North Koreans.
2013-04-05 07:38:27 PM
1 votes:
If the Chinese use the North Koreans to draw in our naval and other assets, we might be subject to a nasty little escalation with a quick surprise.

Maybe the North Koreans aren't the only bad guys in this. If we're convinced we're going to be fighting a backward, low-tech country and position our forces accordingly, then all of a sudden...
2013-04-05 07:36:17 PM
1 votes:
SirEattonHogg: fusillade762

Ah, it appears you are correct. Here's the original.

http://images.plus613.net/images/29900/www_plus613_com_skoreyabig.jpg " width="800" height="452">

That's still a lot of medals for people who have probably never seen combat.



that is indeed a lot of medals even without photoshop.  However, having read a little bit about North Korean history (I recommend "Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader"), with all its purges of its ranking officials, you probably deserve a medal for each year you managed to avoid being thrown into a gulag or being put in front of a firing squad.
2013-04-05 07:24:55 PM
1 votes:
But as The New Yorker pointed out, China will support North Korea no matter what it does because it doesn't want to see a situation where the United States or South Korea are occupying North Korea. This pretty much gives North Korea cover to do whatever they want.
2013-04-05 07:22:38 PM
1 votes:
justwilliam1959.files.wordpress.com
2013-04-05 07:22:25 PM
1 votes:

medius: fatty turds can be a sign of a serious medical problem


My seven year old nephew told me that if your turds float, you have too much fat in your diet. Since then, I have to check. Every time.

/good so far
2013-04-05 07:14:05 PM
1 votes:

A Shambling Mound: Chinese officials most certainly do not refer to King Jong as "Fatty", regardless of their feelings about his recent antics.  I can't find a link right now but I'm pretty sure exactly one Chinese news outlet ran a story referring to Kim Jong in that manner and the author of the story was suspended as a result.

Also, the linked article specifically states that "ordinary Chinese" use the phrase, not officials. So, good job all around there, Subby and Telegraph et al.


Someone seems...............upset.
2013-04-05 07:13:29 PM
1 votes:
Subby: How friendly is the relationship between China and Best Korea right now? Well, when Chinese officials refer to Kim Jong-Un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", what does that tell you?

FTFA: "Certainly North Korea no longer merits much respect among ordinary Chinese, who have taken to insulting Kim Jong-un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty the Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, on the Chinese internet."

Dear Submittard, you fail at life. Get off the Internet, and learn to read before you come back.
2013-04-05 06:59:09 PM
1 votes:
Eh, I think at this stage of the game we'll take any common ground we can find.
2013-04-05 06:53:40 PM
1 votes:
North Korea is like the nere-do well brother in law that's sleeping on China's couch.  He is loud, spends their money, won't get a job and leaves a mess in the kitchen and the living room.  China would love to get rid of him, but can't.
2013-04-05 06:48:43 PM
1 votes:

FreetardoRivera: TheShavingofOccam123: Just remember who the party is that's selling us melamine-laced foods, "farm" raised fish from sewers, etc.


Walmart?


Now don't go clouding the issue with facts!
2013-04-05 06:47:38 PM
1 votes:
That's crap. China is taking advantage and opening up mineral resources with its child NK.
2013-04-05 06:43:42 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: [www.godlikeproductions.com image 459x300]


*laughs*

Well done.
2013-04-05 06:43:01 PM
1 votes:
That the Stay Pufft Beanie Baby is off in the corner of the playground by himself
2013-04-05 06:40:46 PM
1 votes:
www.godlikeproductions.com
2013-04-05 06:38:37 PM
1 votes:
www.godlikeproductions.com
2013-04-05 05:27:43 PM
1 votes:
graphics8.nytimes.com

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!
2013-04-05 04:54:22 PM
1 votes:
Presented for your consideration:  North Korea is what you get when the fat asthmatic kid everybody picks on at school gets to run the world.

It's like an episode of that twilighty show (not the twilighty show with the sparkly vampires who mope about like emos, the old one).

Then again, maybe not everybody in the world can have cheap 100 Megabyte a second downloads. The World wouldn't take it. It would explode.
 
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