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(Telegraph)   How friendly is the relationship between China and Best Korea right now? Well, when Chinese officials refer to Kim Jong-Un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", what does that tell you?   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-04-05 08:51:02 PM  

fusillade762: SirEattonHogg: fusillade762

What I can't figure out is, wtf are all these generals and stooges all decorated for?  You know, wtf did they DO to get all those flashy ribbons and twizzlers and fizzbangers on their unis?

So, I'm no expert on North Korean uniforms, but having watched plenty of clips of DPRK generals and officers, that picture looks like some kind of BS photoshop.  Sure, some countries love to go nuts with the military decorations but medals on their pants and all along their sleeves?  Yeah right.

/And I'm not just talkin pixels.

Ah, it appears you are correct. Here's the original.

[images.plus613.net image 800x452]

That's still a lot of medals for people who have probably never seen combat.

 
There for having sex with fearless leader.
 
2013-04-05 09:01:16 PM  
doyner:  That was a national embarrassment--a breakdown of our command structure.  We've learned since then and so have the Chinese.  I doubt very seriously that we'd make much of a stink if China invaded and used some equivalent of the Bush doctrine as justification; claiming they were "liberating" the Best Koreans from a brutal dictatorship.

Also, the global trade situation is completely different now.  China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.  Any stoppage of trade between the two countries would immediately throw both into a depression.
 
2013-04-05 09:05:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: vernonFL: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x319]

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!


That is one sweet ride


As long as you're in the front seat and not laying down in the back.
 
2013-04-05 09:11:10 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: doyner:  That was a national embarrassment--a breakdown of our command structure.  We've learned since then and so have the Chinese.  I doubt very seriously that we'd make much of a stink if China invaded and used some equivalent of the Bush doctrine as justification; claiming they were "liberating" the Best Koreans from a brutal dictatorship.

Also, the global trade situation is completely different now.  China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.  Any stoppage of trade between the two countries would immediately throw both into a depression.


That may be...but saying "Oh, things are different now" didn't stop us from going into Iraq and making a huge clusterf*ck of the whole thing, did it? Just like we did in Vietnam, and for exactly the same reason. So China staying out of Korea can only be...because things are NOT different now, and they know it.
 
2013-04-05 09:12:46 PM  
I'm surprised that they don't refer to it as "East China" (yet).
 
2013-04-05 09:15:44 PM  

ImperialHazman: Nice custom Continental. Suppose he's got an El Dorado too?


Yes.  But what you really have to watch out for is the .32 gun, pocket full of fun and a razor in his shoe.
 
2013-04-05 09:24:43 PM  

vernonFL: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x319]

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!


That puppy looks a bit out of camber.
 
2013-04-05 09:31:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: doyner:  That was a national embarrassment--a breakdown of our command structure.  We've learned since then and so have the Chinese.  I doubt very seriously that we'd make much of a stink if China invaded and used some equivalent of the Bush doctrine as justification; claiming they were "liberating" the Best Koreans from a brutal dictatorship.

Also, the global trade situation is completely different now.  China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.  Any stoppage of trade between the two countries would immediately throw both into a depression.

That may be...but saying "Oh, things are different now" didn't stop us from going into Iraq and making a huge clusterf*ck of the whole thing, did it? Just like we did in Vietnam, and for exactly the same reason. So China staying out of Korea can only be...because things are NOT different now, and they know it.


Iraq was a pariah among nations.  Their lack of economic ties to most of the world is precisely why it was so easy to invade, politically speaking.  They had no financial friends to speak up for them.  No one had anything to lose from Iraq's government going into the toilet, aside from a few embarrassed sanctions-dodgers.

And Vietnam has nothing in common with NK aside from the fact that they're both SE Asian nations.

And to reiterate...China will never...ever...allow Korea to be a united country under American patronage.

Ever.

We're allies, but they're not 'that' good of allies.
 
2013-04-05 09:37:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: doyner:  That was a national embarrassment--a breakdown of our command structure.  We've learned since then and so have the Chinese.  I doubt very seriously that we'd make much of a stink if China invaded and used some equivalent of the Bush doctrine as justification; claiming they were "liberating" the Best Koreans from a brutal dictatorship.

Also, the global trade situation is completely different now.  China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.  Any stoppage of trade between the two countries would immediately throw both into a depression.

That may be...but saying "Oh, things are different now" didn't stop us from going into Iraq and making a huge clusterf*ck of the whole thing, did it? Just like we did in Vietnam, and for exactly the same reason. So China staying out of Korea can only be...because things are NOT different now, and they know it.


Neither Iraq nor Vietnam were even blips on the radar in terms of trade with the US.  Hundreds of billions would be lost by the 0.1% wealthiest people in the world if the US and China broke off trade.
 
2013-04-05 10:07:24 PM  
Well, he IS fat.
 
2013-04-05 10:23:12 PM  
And he always has a blank look on his face.  There's no way that anyone that fat, stupid (and probably drunk) is in charge.  His uncle must be calling the shots.  He's acting as a sort of regent.
 
2013-04-05 10:27:09 PM  
Obliterate someone with a mortar round.

Not as stylish as dropping someone into a piranha tank
 
2013-04-05 10:31:38 PM  

theotherles: Obliterate someone with a mortar round.

Not as stylish as dropping someone into a piranha tank


But was it an ill-tempered mortar round?
 
2013-04-05 10:32:04 PM  

kevinfra: North Korea is like the nere-do well brother in law that's sleeping on China's couch.  He is loud, spends their money, won't get a job and leaves a mess in the kitchen and the living room.  China would love to get rid of him, but can't.


add a bad hacking cough and a meth habit and you might be on to something.
 
2013-04-05 10:36:05 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Also, the global trade situation is completely different now. China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.


The US doesn't really have much in the way of exports, and is primarily an importer. Anything China gets from the US would be a small percentage of what it gets from everywhere.

If trade between the two ceased it would hurt the US far more. Practically every US business relies on cheap things made in China, but China can always just sell that stuff to another country. Sure, China might make a little less for awhile, but the US economy would be absolutely destroyed.
 
2013-04-05 10:42:54 PM  

Mantour: fusillade762: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 386x480]


vernonFL: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x319]

One cool thing about North Korea, the vintage cars.

I like the '71 Lincoln Continental Hearse!

I hear you can fit six girlies in one of those.

/NK navy laughs at your shanagians


6? That estimate sounds very conservative for what you could fit in a 70s lincoln. Hell you could put 6 in the damned trunk. Especially petitie asian girls.
 
2013-04-05 10:43:18 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Also, the global trade situation is completely different now. China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.

The US doesn't really have much in the way of exports, and is primarily an importer. Anything China gets from the US would be a small percentage of what it gets from everywhere.

If trade between the two ceased it would hurt the US far more. Practically every US business relies on cheap things made in China, but China can always just sell that stuff to another country. Sure, China might make a little less for awhile, but the US economy would be absolutely destroyed.


Not much in the way of exports...Really?

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_exports.html
 
2013-04-05 10:46:27 PM  

fusillade762: SirEattonHogg: fusillade762

What I can't figure out is, wtf are all these generals and stooges all decorated for?  You know, wtf did they DO to get all those flashy ribbons and twizzlers and fizzbangers on their unis?

So, I'm no expert on North Korean uniforms, but having watched plenty of clips of DPRK generals and officers, that picture looks like some kind of BS photoshop.  Sure, some countries love to go nuts with the military decorations but medals on their pants and all along their sleeves?  Yeah right.

/And I'm not just talkin pixels.

Ah, it appears you are correct. Here's the original.

[images.plus613.net image 800x452]

That's still a lot of medals for people who have probably never seen combat.


NK did shell a SK village a year or two ago.  And peasants never stay oppressed - those prison camps don't run themselves.
 
2013-04-05 10:48:29 PM  

sloshed_again: Somaticasual: SirEattonHogg: that is indeed a lot of medals even without photoshop. However, having read a little bit about North Korean history (I recommend "Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader"), with all its purges of its ranking officials, you probably deserve a medal for each year you managed to avoid being thrown into a gulag or being put in front of a firing squad.

After the mortar round execution, I think it's fair to say they're working towards "supervillain" level. I half-way expect to hear about kim jong un's new lair hidden in a volcano..

They might take his DNA and make a clone called  Little Kim.


xca.xanga.com
 
2013-04-05 10:55:03 PM  

Infernalist: J. Frank Parnell: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Also, the global trade situation is completely different now. China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.

The US doesn't really have much in the way of exports, and is primarily an importer. Anything China gets from the US would be a small percentage of what it gets from everywhere.

If trade between the two ceased it would hurt the US far more. Practically every US business relies on cheap things made in China, but China can always just sell that stuff to another country. Sure, China might make a little less for awhile, but the US economy would be absolutely destroyed.

Not much in the way of exports...Really?

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_exports.html


Yeah, that's one of the weirder comments I've ever seen on Fark.  We're the largest exporter in the world of many agricultural products, with China being a primary customer.
 
2013-04-05 10:57:53 PM  

Infernalist: Not much in the way of exports...Really?


I never said it had no exports. Just that there's significantly more importing.

And the major thing is manufacturing. What the US exports are mainly raw materials, but it imports most of its manufactured items. If it suddenly didn't have China to manufacture things cheaply it wouldn't recover quickly, if at all.
 
2013-04-05 11:04:55 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: 
The US doesn't really have much in the way of exports, and is primarily an importer.



J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Not much in the way of exports...Really?

I never said it had no exports. Just that there's significantly more importing.

And the major thing is manufacturing. What the US exports are mainly raw materials, but it imports most of its manufactured items. If it suddenly didn't have China to manufacture things cheaply it wouldn't recover quickly, if at all.


I think you may well need to get examined for memory issues.  You may have a leak.

And the slightest glance at the link I've already provided shows that the US exports mostly Machines, oil, air craft, electronics, medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, organic chemicals, plastics.

NONE OF WHICH ARE RAW MATERIALS.  Are you dense?  Go and READ and educate yourself before you throw out plainly bad information.
 
2013-04-05 11:07:27 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Not much in the way of exports...Really?

I never said it had no exports. Just that there's significantly more importing.

And the major thing is manufacturing. What the US exports are mainly raw materials, but it imports most of its manufactured items. If it suddenly didn't have China to manufacture things cheaply it wouldn't recover quickly, if at all.


Not currently -having- a net manufacturing base does not equate to an inability to restart one.
Losing China would hurt for awhile, and prices on consumer goods would surge, but in-borders manufacturing would increase, much of the produce we currently get from China can be gotten from Brazil, low end manufactured goods would still come from Mexico, Thailand and India (and perhaps even eventually cheaper than China), high-end goods from Japan, South Korea and *Taiwan.

*..now depending -how- bad things got with China, the Taiwan situation would be.. interesting.
 
2013-04-05 11:31:28 PM  

Infernalist: Go and READ and educate yourself before you throw out plainly bad information.


As you type on a keyboard made in China, looking at a screen made in China, wearing clothes made in China, sitting in a chair made in China, with maybe a TV on in the background made in China, and a cellphone nearby made in China. (don't bother clarifying it's a wooden chair your grandpa made or something, i think you get my point).

The US is dependent on Chinese goods. There's no denying that. But China isn't dependent on the US for anything. Everything it gets from the US it could easily get somewhere else at the same prices. That was my main point.
 
2013-04-05 11:37:18 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Go and READ and educate yourself before you throw out plainly bad information.

As you type on a keyboard made in China, looking at a screen made in China, wearing clothes made in China, sitting in a chair made in China, with maybe a TV on in the background made in China, and a cellphone nearby made in China. (don't bother clarifying it's a wooden chair your grandpa made or something, i think you get my point).

The US is dependent on Chinese goods. There's no denying that. But China isn't dependent on the US for anything. Everything it gets from the US it could easily get somewhere else at the same prices. That was my main point.


Completely irrelevant to your ridiculously erroneous statements regarding the status of the US in regards to exports.

The rest of your thinking is highly speculative, and based on pretty shaky assumptions, as well.  I'm going to simply lol in your general direction and slip out of this wet mess of a discussion and pray that you take 10 minutes to educate yourself in the basics of a discussion before engaging the loose nut between your Chinese made keyboard and your Chinese made chair.
 
2013-04-05 11:41:49 PM  

Infernalist: Completely irrelevant to your ridiculously erroneous statements regarding the status of the US in regards to exports.


That was just a detail you decided to pick at. Not my main point, which you seem to be avoiding.
 
2013-04-05 11:49:21 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Gyrfalcon: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: doyner:  That was a national embarrassment--a breakdown of our command structure.  We've learned since then and so have the Chinese.  I doubt very seriously that we'd make much of a stink if China invaded and used some equivalent of the Bush doctrine as justification; claiming they were "liberating" the Best Koreans from a brutal dictatorship.

Also, the global trade situation is completely different now.  China is our largest consumer of most of our agricultural products, while we are the biggest buyer of their manufactured items.  Any stoppage of trade between the two countries would immediately throw both into a depression.

That may be...but saying "Oh, things are different now" didn't stop us from going into Iraq and making a huge clusterf*ck of the whole thing, did it? Just like we did in Vietnam, and for exactly the same reason. So China staying out of Korea can only be...because things are NOT different now, and they know it.

Neither Iraq nor Vietnam were even blips on the radar in terms of trade with the US.  Hundreds of billions would be lost by the 0.1% wealthiest people in the world if the US and China broke off trade.


Yeah yeah yeah. There are always a million reasons why this scenario is ever so different from the last four thousand times it didn't work, or why we'd be okay if China/Russia/space aliens intervened this time; a thousand variations on "we've learned our lessons" except that we haven't. Saying "Too many people would lose money" is just a gloss on any of those myriad variations.

If it was a bad idea for us to go into Iraq, it is a bad idea for China to go into Korea. If it is a good idea for China to go into Korea, then it was a good thing we went into Iraq; for all the same reasons and with the same ultimate results.
 
2013-04-05 11:56:13 PM  
s15.postimg.org
 
2013-04-06 12:00:18 AM  
North Korea is best compared to the brother "Allen" on 2 1/2 men...the brother who mooches off the other brother and can't or won't get a home of his own...North Korea is trying to mooch off others without changing its behavior.
 
2013-04-06 12:04:51 AM  
Fatty Kim may have some screws loose up there but I don't think he is suicidal. Even he must know any actual shooting on his part will culminate in the destruction of his regime if not his own life and his family's nevermind the entire country. Last I check he has a wife and daughter and while the rest of Korea may not have access to world news even he must know what happened to folks like Saddam, OBL, Ghadafi etc to name a few.

I'm beginning to wonder if he is seeking some sort of an out. I mean this guy grew up in a very sheltered lifestyle and spent his most formative years living in Western Europe, going to the most exclusive schools there and living a lavished lifestyle there. Then his dad suddenly dies and he is thrust into a position he may not really want to be in. Perhaps by making all this ruckus, in his own distorted mind he is thinking that some sort of a deal can be cut where he can relinquish his position and live somewhere else as some reclusive billionaire BUT achieving it by also appearing as some sort of a strong anti western hero who stood up against the mighty and tyrannical US to the eyes of the average N Korean to preserve his legacy and his family's.

While he maybe the ruler of NK I'm sure his life is very regimented and scripted. He is probably being watch 24/7 by people closest to him.. it's not easy for him to secretly meet some spies/CIA types etc to discuss his intentions nor can he just hope on a plane and say see ya! w/o totally destroying his credibility. Unlike 99.9% of N Koreans he is most definitely NOT brainwashed. Crazy maybe but not brainwashed.

If he hates Americans as much as people think he does he MOST definitely won't meet someone like Dennis Rodman and his entourage of all people.

Anyway just my 2 c.
 
2013-04-06 12:16:57 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Not much in the way of exports...Really?

I never said it had no exports. Just that there's significantly more importing.

And the major thing is manufacturing. What the US exports are mainly raw materials, but it imports most of its manufactured items. If it suddenly didn't have China to manufacture things cheaply it wouldn't recover quickly, if at all.


As someone who is sitting here right this very instant, monitoring machines that basically make the stupid chips in your stupid iphones, I have a lot of eggs in this here Korea basket.  I really, REALLY hope this is all just BS and Seoul will be untouched or else I think I'll be out of a job very quick.

I think we could start manufacturing just fine if we had to.  We've got the facilities for the worlds two top chip makers right here.  Hell I'm at one right now.  Just bring assembly here.  You want a job? Here, put this stupid iPhones together.

Or something.
 
2013-04-06 12:16:58 AM  
s7.postimg.org
 
2013-04-06 12:18:15 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: What I can't figure out is, wtf are all these generals and stooges all decorated for?  You know, wtf did they DO to get all those flashy ribbons and twizzlers and fizzbangers on their unis?


I've always assumed those medals are for quelling food riots, rounding up dissenters and generally oppressing the populace. I can't think of any way they could earn so many unless they're participation medals for various war games.
 
2013-04-06 12:22:01 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-06 12:33:13 AM  

sloshed_again: Didn't we do this before?


Yeah, but Hollywood is itchin' to do a M*A*S*H* reboot.
 
2013-04-06 12:35:51 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Infernalist: Go and READ and educate yourself before you throw out plainly bad information.

As you type on a keyboard made in China, looking at a screen made in China, wearing clothes made in China, sitting in a chair made in China, with maybe a TV on in the background made in China, and a cellphone nearby made in China. (don't bother clarifying it's a wooden chair your grandpa made or something, i think you get my point).

The US is dependent on Chinese goods. There's no denying that. But China isn't dependent on the US for anything. Everything it gets from the US it could easily get somewhere else at the same prices. That was my main point.


So, submit to China, eat your pets, and report your Grandpa if he makes too much of a fuss?
 
2013-04-06 12:38:06 AM  
PS:

J. Frank Parnell:  But China isn't dependent on the US for anything

Well, there is the fact that if the US stopped paying it's debts, China would collapse like Pee Wee Herman in a fight with Ken Shamrock.
 
2013-04-06 01:20:14 AM  

TV's Vinnie: PS:

J. Frank Parnell:  But China isn't dependent on the US for anything

Well, there is the fact that if the US stopped paying it's debts, China would collapse like Pee Wee Herman in a fight with Ken Shamrock.


Not sure about that. China holds about $1.2 trillion of US debt. They're GDP is about $7.3 trillion. I think they'd survive.
 
2013-04-06 01:33:32 AM  

fusillade762: TV's Vinnie: PS:

J. Frank Parnell:  But China isn't dependent on the US for anything

Well, there is the fact that if the US stopped paying it's debts, China would collapse like Pee Wee Herman in a fight with Ken Shamrock.

Not sure about that. China holds about $1.2 trillion of US debt. They're GDP is about $7.3 trillion. I think they'd survive.


Our economy can take a pounding.  The dot com bubble, the housing bubble, the entire mess from 2008-present...We can take a pounding.

The Chinese economy is as shaky as a house of cards.  They're literally sustaining their high GDP and growth by building empty ghost 'cities' spread across the interior.  No one to live in them, no one to buy them, no jobs there, no actual communities there, but they keep building them because it generates high growth across those important sectors that people pay attention to.

One push and it's going to collapse in on itself in a major way.  They NEED stability in the global economy far more than anyone else at this point and that means the U.S. economy needs to stay stable for 'their' sake as much as ours.
 
2013-04-06 01:56:51 AM  

fusillade762: TV's Vinnie: PS:

J. Frank Parnell:  But China isn't dependent on the US for anything

Well, there is the fact that if the US stopped paying it's debts, China would collapse like Pee Wee Herman in a fight with Ken Shamrock.

Not sure about that. China holds about $1.2 trillion of US debt. They're GDP is about $7.3 trillion. I think they'd survive.


Is that why China is desperately building one empty city after another, just to keep their bubble from going POP?
 
2013-04-06 02:08:22 AM  
you know who's really behind all this? ya'll are getting played like mah jong

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-06 02:08:23 AM  
www.shirinsadeghi.com
 
2013-04-06 04:28:24 AM  
Subby: Chinese officials refer to Kim Jong-Un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", what does that tell you?

The article: Certainly North Korea no longer merits much respect among ordinary Chinese, who have taken to insulting Kim Jong-un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty the Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, on the Chinese internet.

Now I understand the greenlight
 
2013-04-06 05:38:31 AM  
is it just me? I feel like i'm 17 again with a really hot chick in the backseat whose teasing the hell out of me. she knows I want it bad, I know she wants it too. but she got to save it! come on NK! you want to fail a virgin? don't leave us with red, white, and blue balls again. LETS GET IT ON!
 
2013-04-06 07:50:38 AM  

gweilo8888: Subby: How friendly is the relationship between China and Best Korea right now? Well, when Chinese officials refer to Kim Jong-Un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", what does that tell you?

FTFA: "Certainly North Korea no longer merits much respect among ordinary Chinese, who have taken to insulting Kim Jong-un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty the Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, on the Chinese internet."

Dear Submittard, you fail at life. Get off the Internet, and learn to read before you come back.


You sound Best Fat
 
2013-04-06 08:44:27 AM  

Mixolydian Master: Subby: Chinese officials refer to Kim Jong-Un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", what does that tell you?

The article: Certainly North Korea no longer merits much respect among ordinary Chinese, who have taken to insulting Kim Jong-un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty the Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, on the Chinese internet.

Now I understand the greenlight


How is there "Chinese internet"? Isn't the internet by definition ALL the networks connected? Or do they just mean Chinese-language internet sites? Yes I realize that Chinese is not a language I meant the variety of languages and dialects spoken by Chinese people.
 
2013-04-06 09:01:59 AM  

gul_jay: [i.imgur.com image 850x480]


What the...how could you...why? Why show anyone that?
 
2013-04-06 09:39:03 AM  

Infernalist: The Chinese economy is as shaky as a house of cards. They're literally sustaining their high GDP and growth by building empty ghost 'cities' spread across the interior. No one to live in them, no one to buy them, no jobs there, no actual communities there, but they keep building them because it generates high growth across those important sectors that people pay attention to.


That and it's kind of the CCP's strategy to avoid another Tienanmen Square incident.  Economic growth and prosperity keep the people happy and not wanting democracy or social unrest.  The Chinese government values a stable society very highly.

They're doing whatever it takes to make their people happy enough to not revolt, and that means relative wealth.  The ghost cities are make-work projects to create the illusion of economic prosperity.  It's really the same old command-style economy of a socialist state, acting as a capitalist facade to provide the western-style pleasures the people want. China doesn't want to upset that balance, because they know in the long term without it they're facing a revolution themselves.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
2013-04-06 12:44:27 PM  

nakedcritic: You sound Best Fat


So you're the submittard, then.
 
2013-04-06 12:44:42 PM  
TV's Vinnie:So, submit to China, eat your pets, and report your Grandpa if he makes too much of a fuss?

Wait, I thought it was report your pets...

Well, it's going to be a bit awkward when I visit grandma this afternoon.
 
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