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(NPR)   The food in your freezer might kill you. Film at 11   (npr.org) divider line 102
    More: Scary, e. coli outbreak, E. coli, food science, Grocery Manufacturers Association  
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2013-04-05 03:58:02 PM  
media.avclub.com
Hmm... so the stuff in the freezer is still alive

/better call ed
 
2013-04-05 03:59:53 PM  

PhDemented: [media.avclub.com image 627x352]
Hmm... so the stuff in the freezer is still alive

/better call ed


Obviously LOL
 
2013-04-05 04:01:00 PM  
And good thing too, because it allows me to toss my sourdough starter in there if I'm not going to be making bread for a while.
 
2013-04-05 04:02:13 PM  
I know how dangerous the food in my freezer is.

Every once in a while a round it up and throw 75% of it away. What I'm wondering at the moment is how long processed meat and mayonnaise will last without going bad if you don't open them. I've got some items that look fresh but have been in the refrigerator so long I should throw them a birthday party.

I lose more good food that way, but I am not a risk taker. I'm a procrastinator. You don't have to worry about food going bad if you just take the time to throw it away before you eat it.
 
2013-04-05 04:02:37 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Badgers: Evil Mackerel: So don't buy processed food.

Processed food like spinach, lettuce and beansprouts?

Spinach off market for potential E. coli
E. coli source likely lettuce at KFC/Taco Bell
German bean sprouts source of E. coli outbreak

/Something is going to kill you, sooner or later

The article does not mention fresh food that are then frozen. I am aware of farm fresh food not being properly cleaned may have  E coli.  By reading the posted article  you might understand.



Just how do you wash the E. coli off your fresh leafy greens and sprouts?

//mmm...I bet your salads taste like antibacterial Palmolive!
 
2013-04-05 04:06:37 PM  

Badgers: Evil Mackerel: So don't buy processed food.

Processed food like spinach, lettuce and beansprouts?

Spinach off market for potential E. coli
E. coli source likely lettuce at KFC/Taco Bell
German bean sprouts source of E. coli outbreak

/Something is going to kill you, sooner or later


Mass produced food might be the key here, but then you get the raw milk freaks touting the health benefits of drinking it straight from the cow.

I know some people that compost their poop, call it "humanure" and use it to fertilize things, thankfully NOT their veggie gardens, but rather fruit trees and others where the food doesn't touch the fertilizer.

//I'm one to talk, I have both of Sandor Katz's fermentation books on loan from the library.
///I really despise Sally Fallon though.  Something about her advice to "Go ahead and eat cow brains, Mad Cow disease is overblown" just sticks in my craw.
//rant done through the power of slashies////
 
2013-04-05 04:08:57 PM  
Only two bites, I need more practice.
 
2013-04-05 04:09:25 PM  
It could kill your husband, too.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-05 04:09:42 PM  

Richard Flaccid: "Freezing Doesn't Kill E. Coli And Other Germs"

So I don't have to add DMSO or glycerol to my frozen stocks any more?

That's good to know.


Absolutely,

Just as long as you keep it above -120F and below 165F, your stock is good to go.

/grow baby grow
 
2013-04-05 04:10:49 PM  
I think this guy agrees....amirite?...

application.denofgeek.com
 
2013-04-05 04:17:44 PM  

CutBoard: Richard Flaccid: "Freezing Doesn't Kill E. Coli And Other Germs"

So I don't have to add DMSO or glycerol to my frozen stocks any more?

That's good to know.

Absolutely,

Just as long as you keep it above -120F and below 165F, your stock is good to go.

/grow baby grow


I thought he meant chicken stock....
 
2013-04-05 04:19:46 PM  

ausfahrk: Anyone who was, up until now, cooking their hamburgers in the freezer


You've never had freezer-burned hamburgers?
Of course, those tend to end up in soup so they do get cooked good.

/Film at 11℉
 
GBB
2013-04-05 04:23:14 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: GBB: tnpir: No - it's: "The popcorn you're eating has been pissed in. Film at 11."

Actually it's "Has the popcorn you're eating been pissed in?  Find out what we learned tonight at 11."

Too young to remember Kentucky Fried Movie, I see.


Dirtybird971: GBB

Dirtybird971: GBB

tnpir: No - it's: "The popcorn you're eating has been pissed in. Film at 11."

Actually it's "Has the popcorn you're eating been pissed in? Find out what we learned tonight at 11."

No. it's "actually" not.

Ok, "literally", then.

nope. strike two.


I dun farked it up, didn't i.    I hate when I do that.
 
2013-04-05 04:23:33 PM  

elysive: Just how do you wash the E. coli off your fresh leafy greens and sprouts?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vegetable+sanitizer
 
2013-04-05 04:25:20 PM  

brantgoose: What I'm wondering at the moment is how long processed meat and mayonnaise will last without going bad if you don't open them.


It will say so on the packaging. Once you open them, it's 1 to 2 days for the meat and about 6 weeks for the mayonnaise if it is in a upside down tube.

You could keep a list on your pantry with expiration dates of stuff in there...
 
2013-04-05 04:26:09 PM  

elysive: Just how do you wash the E. coli off your fresh leafy greens and sprouts?


Gasoline works.
 
2013-04-05 04:30:53 PM  
Cooking doesn't destroy the toxins created by pathogens. You may kill the bugs but you may not breakdown their poops and peeps. So, don't worry...have an aflatoxin.
 
2013-04-05 04:34:06 PM  

meat0918: Badgers: Evil Mackerel: So don't buy processed food.

Processed food like spinach, lettuce and beansprouts?

Spinach off market for potential E. coli
E. coli source likely lettuce at KFC/Taco Bell
German bean sprouts source of E. coli outbreak

/Something is going to kill you, sooner or later

Mass produced food might be the key here, but then you get the raw milk freaks touting the health benefits of drinking it straight from the cow.

I know some people that compost their poop, call it "humanure" and use it to fertilize things, thankfully NOT their veggie gardens, but rather fruit trees and others where the food doesn't touch the fertilizer.

//I'm one to talk, I have both of Sandor Katz's fermentation books on loan from the library.
///I really despise Sally Fallon though.  Something about her advice to "Go ahead and eat cow brains, Mad Cow disease is overblown" just sticks in my craw.
//rant done through the power of slashies////


I ferment cabbage and other veggies in brine in smaller canning jars. I quit doing quart jars because my air locks sometimes couldn't handle the pressure. Somethings just don't scale up well.
 
2013-04-05 04:34:41 PM  
Oops larger than quart jars...
 
2013-04-05 04:44:12 PM  

CutBoard: Richard Flaccid: "Freezing Doesn't Kill E. Coli And Other Germs"

So I don't have to add DMSO or glycerol to my frozen stocks any more?

That's good to know.

Absolutely,

Just as long as you keep it above -120F and below 165F, your stock is good to go.

/grow baby grow



It's gonna bug me until I figure this joke out.
 
2013-04-05 04:47:07 PM  

tnpir: "The popcorn you're eating has been pissed in. Film at 11."


imageshack.us
 
2013-04-05 05:09:54 PM  

Dwangerous: MoscowPyongyang in flames, missiles headed towards New York. film at 11.


FTF current relevancy.
 
2013-04-05 05:11:36 PM  

CaptSacto: I'm not wearing any pants. Film at 11


Rex Kramer leaving satisfied.
 
2013-04-05 05:16:01 PM  
Well, meh, because I never assumed freezing killed any of that stuff. Seems pretty obvious after reading all of the past stories on Fark about frozen foods being recalled because of germ-induced illnesses.

Not scary; obvious.
 
2013-04-05 05:22:09 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Cooking doesn't destroy the toxins created by pathogens. You may kill the bugs but you may not breakdown their poops and peeps. So, don't worry...have an aflatoxin.


You're right, if you have to scrape your spinach out of the bag because it looks like a funny green jello and you eat it anyway, then you deserve to get what you just ate has given you. Otherwise, rinse it underneath some cold water thoroughly and you've even washed away most of the toxins. You're not going to get rid of either of them, but you are going to remove the likelihood of getting sick from either.

/+1 Occam, nice razor effect you have going on there.
 
2013-04-05 05:24:42 PM  

Badgers: Evil Mackerel: So don't buy processed food.

Processed food like spinach, lettuce and beansprouts?

Spinach off market for potential E. coli
E. coli source likely lettuce at KFC/Taco Bell
German bean sprouts source of E. coli outbreak

/Something is going to kill you, sooner or later


There have been recent outbreaks in green onions, tomatoes and cantaloupe as well, iirc. Taco Bell used to put green onions on their nachos but they stopped after the last scare and never brought them back.
 
2013-04-05 05:26:07 PM  
Sign of the times. Heating up a Totino's is "cooking".

Adding your own salt? You're upgraded to a high-falutin' foodie.
 
2013-04-05 05:27:02 PM  
TheShavingofOccam123: Cooking doesn't destroy the toxins created by pathogens. You may kill the bugs but you may not breakdown their poops and peeps. So, don't worry...have an aflatoxin.

You're right, if you have to scrape your spinach out of the bag because it looks like a funny green jello and you eat it anyway, then you deserve to get what you just ate has given you. Otherwise, rinse it underneath some cold water thoroughly and you've even washed away most of the toxins. You're not going to get rid of either of them, but you are going to remove the likelihood of getting sick from either.

/+1 Occam, nice razor effect you have going on there.

/Oh and another +1 for the Brining, cells just aren't what they used to be.
 
2013-04-05 05:27:16 PM  

fusillade762: There have been recent outbreaks in green onions, tomatoes and cantaloupe as well, iirc.


What, no killer tomatoes?
 
2013-04-05 05:37:48 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: fusillade762: There have been recent outbreaks in green onions, tomatoes and cantaloupe as well, iirc.

What, no killer tomatoes?


Don't worry, they're coming after us. I just bought some and .......aaaaaaaghhhhhh
 
2013-04-05 05:43:16 PM  

Syrrh: Sign of the times. Heating up a Totino's is "cooking".

Adding your own salt? You're upgraded to a high-falutin' foodie.


/sarcasm aside, you hit it. Doesn't matter if it's a pie or a flute player, you nailed it.
 
2013-04-05 05:59:46 PM  
was the obvious tag too frozen to show up?

did anyone actually think freezing sanitizes food?
 
2013-04-05 06:01:49 PM  

fusillade762: Badgers: Evil Mackerel: So don't buy processed food.

Processed food like spinach, lettuce and beansprouts?

Spinach off market for potential E. coli
E. coli source likely lettuce at KFC/Taco Bell
German bean sprouts source of E. coli outbreak

/Something is going to kill you, sooner or later

There have been recent outbreaks in green onions, tomatoes and cantaloupe as well, iirc. Taco Bell used to put green onions on their nachos but they stopped after the last scare and never brought them back.


That's because your Servsafe managers didn't do what they were hired to do. Yes, I understand the situation, and don't really fault anyone except your managers and owners. Laziness is a lousy excuse for making people sick, just because they told you what to do, you did it and it endangered peoples lives. Management and ownership rule and they forget what you're actually doing to your and their customers. But. you and your crew are just as valuable for reducing food borne products. Would you want your parents or kids to eat at the establishment that you're working for? IF not, then you might want to think about it. If your managers and owners are asking or forcing you to such, they themselves need to be turned into the local health department. You're responsible for taking other people's lives in your own hands, otherwise if I ask you if you would let your children eat hear and you say "no", then somethings definitely wrong.
 
2013-04-05 06:04:04 PM  

The Snow Dog: Well, meh, because I never assumed freezing killed any of that stuff. Seems pretty obvious after reading all of the past stories on Fark about frozen foods being recalled because of germ-induced illnesses.

Not scary; obvious.


Freezing kills parasites in fish. I think that's about it.
 
2013-04-05 06:22:50 PM  
FFS people need to be told this?
 
2013-04-05 06:24:06 PM  

fusillade762: The Snow Dog: Well, meh, because I never assumed freezing killed any of that stuff. Seems pretty obvious after reading all of the past stories on Fark about frozen foods being recalled because of germ-induced illnesses.

Not scary; obvious.

Freezing kills parasites in fish. I think that's about it.


You're right, Freezing does kill most parasites in fish, most. The rest are really non toxic or biologically harmful to humans. There are some considerations to be made. There are some fish that freezing doesn't decrease the biological toxins that are already produced by the fish themselves and if not prepared correctly can produce numerous symptoms of biological, or neurological poisoning. These fish have to be mastered by master chefs and even then, sometimes, even the masters are adversely poisoned by the fish they serve. The real point is, nothing is truly safe from bacterial, viral or toxic contaminants. We all eat and if you think that you haven't digested some of the aforementioned  BVT's, then you're sadly mistaken. We all have no matter carnivorous or herbaceous, they're here, they have been and you have ate them. Hopefully only in amounts small enough to pass through, rather than collectively multiply and cause you problems. Another point, get over it, it's out there, we eat it and one can only hope it passes.
 
2013-04-05 06:40:35 PM  
E-Coli can grow cysts around their cell walls to resist chlorine.  Freezing just makes them grow dormant.  The presence of coliform bacteria is an indicator that other bad things such as Giardia and Cripto Sporidium are present.  Nice article.   I like the nice facts about the microwaves. From now on I am now cooking everything on the grill.  Or at least until November.
 
2013-04-05 06:52:56 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: The food'll kill you, and in 24 hours it'll be freon bail.


Freon

/bailiff, whack his peepee

:-)
 
2013-04-05 07:11:47 PM  

fusillade762: The Snow Dog: Well, meh, because I never assumed freezing killed any of that stuff. Seems pretty obvious after reading all of the past stories on Fark about frozen foods being recalled because of germ-induced illnesses.

Not scary; obvious.

Freezing kills parasites in fish. I think that's about it.


I think freezing (for the right amount of time at the right temperature) kills parasites in general. US pork doesn't have a parasite problem anymore, but I know a lot of people who feed their pets raw meat and most of them freeze to eliminate any possibility of parasites. We hunt and we always freeze our venison for 30 days (and fully cook it).

Unless you are using radiation, your food isn't going to be actually sanitized. That is why there are so many safe food handling techniques that are COMBINED to greatly reduce or eliminate the risk of food poisoning. So in most cases those methods + our immune systems are going to keep us safe. I wash my raw vegetables in hot water because typically they are the biggest risk.
 
2013-04-05 07:41:45 PM  
No shiat. That's why you cook it.
 
2013-04-05 08:12:25 PM  
NEXT ON....

imageshack.us
 
2013-04-05 08:23:55 PM  
I just got back from India, where I contracted the most hellish food poisoning (my fault: I just had to have pani puri in Jaipur). I like to think that I can handle anything now.
 
2013-04-05 09:11:05 PM  
Relevant?

i.imgur.com
 
gja
2013-04-05 10:19:12 PM  
www.privatehand.com
 
2013-04-06 12:36:24 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Evil Mackerel: So don't buy processed food.

This. Buy some fresh ingrediants and spend 30damn minutes away from the tv to make your own dish. Its cheaper, more nutritious, and less likely to have been handled by a dozen people who wipe with their hands.


I wish dinner took only 30 minutes when I'm cooking.  The stove is older than I am so it's usually a good idea to stick to only two skillets at a time.  You do make your own sauces and reductions right?
 
2013-04-06 12:49:36 AM  
This reminds me of my unopened "science experiment" still in the freezer: turkey breasts, carved hot from the oven, wrapped in plastic and foil and interred in the icebox in '98. Should still be good.
 
2013-04-06 01:07:32 AM  
What, no one posts the Far Side cartoon "When mayonnaise goes bad" ?

/leaving disappointed
 
2013-04-06 01:11:35 AM  
"Freezing" is not a method of preparation. You still have to cook it, ya coont.

/peel it, boil it, fry it or forget it.
 
2013-04-06 02:42:38 AM  

Larva Lump: This reminds me of my unopened "science experiment" still in the freezer: turkey breasts, carved hot from the oven, wrapped in plastic and foil and interred in the icebox in '98. Should still be good.


Lt. Drebin is that you?
 
2013-04-06 10:19:45 AM  

WelldeadLink: elysive: Just how do you wash the E. coli off your fresh leafy greens and sprouts?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vegetable+sanitizer



Because all home cooks keep chlorine dioxide handy? And those ozone generator machines look sooo totally legit. I even saw a forum link on your google suggesting hypochlorite/bleach (at least I actually have bleach at home). Yumm!

Unless one prepares food commercially or on a large scale, rinsing lettuce is generally the proper at home preperation...but sadly it doesnt scare away many bacterial beasties. :(

The OP in this thread simply made it sound like anyone who got food poisoning from veggies simply employed terrible food handling procedures and there's no excuse for it. Well, I'm sorry if not every person owns and operates a a VeggiKleen ozone veggie sanitizer. How ignorant of us!
 
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