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(Daily Kos)   Brooklyn judge slaps Birther with $177,000 fine for being an idiot   (dailykos.com) divider line 29
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2013-04-05 03:21:39 PM  
5 votes:

Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?


You are not competent at trolling.
2013-04-05 02:53:41 PM  
5 votes:
github.com
2013-04-05 03:02:26 PM  
3 votes:
Apparently Strunk had written 20 previous lawsuits.

All with impeccable grammar, syntax and style.
2013-04-05 02:56:41 PM  
3 votes:
Frivolous lawsuits contribute to a larger government.  Dick.
2013-04-05 02:52:51 PM  
3 votes:
Republicans are all about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits so they're going to castigate this guy, right?  Right?
2013-04-05 04:33:01 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-05 03:21:57 PM  
2 votes:

Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?


He's being fined at a rate of $10,000 for each major idiotic thing he's done, and $1,000 for each lesser idiotic thing. Trivial idiotic things he gets a pass on.

So far the fines have added up to $0.

/wonder what that means...
2013-04-05 03:09:16 PM  
2 votes:
Here's a strategy: buy the judgment against him and plague him with legal action until he pays.  It works in the credit card business.
2013-04-05 03:05:50 PM  
2 votes:

Charlie Chingas: so, he's a conservatard? Retardlican? spoiled brat throwing a fit because the black man got elected?


Now now, both sides have their share of nutters. Just that right-wing nutters burden society in extra special ways.
2013-04-05 02:57:42 PM  
2 votes:

ha-ha-guy: can be shown to truly be trolling the courts


FTFA:

Apparently Strunk had written 20 previous lawsuits. Most have been dismissed

Somehow I doubt those prior lawsuits had any more merit than this one.
2013-04-05 02:57:36 PM  
2 votes:
so, he's a conservatard? Retardlican? spoiled brat throwing a fit because the black man got elected?
2013-04-05 02:55:56 PM  
2 votes:

cman: One cannot be deemed an "idiot" in a court of law.


They certainly can. But it's more of a defense than a charge.
2013-04-05 02:53:28 PM  
2 votes:
Yet another activist judge in on the conspiracy! The Hoverrounds ride at dawn!
Pud
2013-04-05 01:22:21 PM  
2 votes:
"I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'
2013-04-05 08:02:48 PM  
1 votes:
I do not like Obama and I did not vote for him, BUT if there was any chance he was not eligeable to be president, I am confident the Clinton family or the GOP would have figured that out a long time ago.
2013-04-05 07:44:58 PM  
1 votes:

Tigger: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

I'm going to laugh my ass off when he goes to jail.


Our legal system is a joke, this will surely be overturned by some retarded judge. But its a start. Maybe making stupid people pay for being stupid will catch on and become a thing. We can only hope
2013-04-05 06:03:38 PM  
1 votes:

poot_rootbeer: bikerific: It's not a fine (at least, $167k of it is not).  He's been ordered to pay the legal fees of the defendants.

How does a trio of legal firms run up a bill that large, when the extent of necessary work here is basically a memo to the court saying, "Can you believe this farkin' guy?"


If a serious question:

I assume there were 3 defendants, each requiring their own attorneys.  Nutbag plaintiffs also tend not to be too stingy with their filing, so you've got a lot of crap to sort through.   Frankly, it is harder to respond to incompetent opposing counsel.   Good attorneys state the relevant facts and state the relevant legal standards, and then everyone's on the same page.   With bad attorneys, you have to try to figure out what they are even saying, what claims might actually be buried in their filings, and what a judge might decide to pull out of their rantings.

Just because they are incompetent doesn't mean you get to be.   It may have a been a bit overlawyered, but when you're dealing with a nutball, you really don't want to lose.  You go the extra mile.


So that, plus if they got into any discovery (information requests), that can be really time consuming and expensive.   Electronic discovery is becoming a huge issue.  Nobody manages their data with an eye toward inexpensively responding to discovery requests.   It's a nightmare.
2013-04-05 04:38:45 PM  
1 votes:
One more time:

McCain was born outside the United States on a military base. The State Department specifically states that being born on a military base does not automatically qualify you as a citizen under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, at the time of his birth, the law did not automatically grant citizenship to persons born in the Panama Canal Zone, even if both their parents were Americans. McCain was retroactively granted citizenship by a change in the law shortly after he was born but, and this is the important part, he was not a citizen at birth.

On the other hand, you have a guy who was born in a hospital in Hawaii, a state of the United States. His birth certificate says so, witnesses at the time say so, birth announcements in contemporary newspapers say so, and the Hawaiian government says so.

So, until Republicans can tell me why such a stink was made about Obama but not about McCain, I'm going to assume that all birthers, without exception, are either racist or too intentionally ignorant to be worth my time and should probably seek psychological counselling.

/ yes I realize the irony of saying something is not worth my time and then writing a post about it
// but what else do you expect me to do at 3:30 on a Friday, work?
2013-04-05 03:31:21 PM  
1 votes:
Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

It's based on the Idiot scale of previous tenant. Last I heard, He's being fined -$400,000.00 but he's giving some of it back.
2013-04-05 03:30:14 PM  
1 votes:

A Shambling Mound: I am not a lawyer but I seriously doubt that having (what I assume to be) a civil judgement against you in one court legally bars you from pursuing litigation, even in that same court. Now, how the presiding judge will view that litigation is another matter entirely.  Just from my experiences with district and federal judges outside of a courtroom setting I can say that they are typicallypretty goddamn impressed with themselves and it is best not to poke at them.


There's no automatic bar, no, but the court can in fact bar you from filing new lawsuits (at least without counsel signing on).  See e.g. Jack Thompson, who cannot file any lawsuit in Florida) though that is exceedingly rare.

That wouldn't stop him from being a witness in a case (e.g. a criminal case), but rather just restricts their ability to use the civil court system.
2013-04-05 03:15:50 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks, it's nice getting honest answers.
2013-04-05 03:11:16 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

Can you get cited for contempt outside of the courtroom?


If appeal is denied, then the original ruling stands and a bench warrant can be issued. Paying up, going to jail, or fleeing the country to a place with non-extradition treaties are the Birther's options.
2013-04-05 03:10:50 PM  
1 votes:
Had it been the guys first lawsuit on the issue than I may have been irked by the Judge's fine. But 20 previous ones? Come on your time would be more productive arguing with trolls.

Seriously though what do people honestly hope to accomplish with this? Making sure Biden gets to be president.

A few days maybe weeks of news coverage would occure before people went back to their normal business and by the next election they will have virtually forgotten about it.
2013-04-05 03:07:42 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Can you get cited for contempt outside of the courtroom?


For failing to obey a court order / judges order.
2013-04-05 02:58:26 PM  
1 votes:
Rush and Fox will make him a martyr by the end of next week.
2013-04-05 02:54:19 PM  
1 votes:
I'd imagine he'll pay, but a lot less.  Unless this guy has significant assets can be shown to truly be trolling the courts. The important thing though is making him pay at least court costs for this incident to show you can't troll the courts as a retirement hobby.
2013-04-05 01:36:09 PM  
1 votes:
One cannot be deemed an "idiot" in a court of law.

This guy wasted the courts time and for that he is being punished.
2013-04-05 01:34:59 PM  
1 votes:
I was really hoping it'd be Oily.
2013-04-05 01:33:42 PM  
1 votes:

Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'


I'm going to laugh my ass off when he goes to jail.
 
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