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2013-04-05 03:23:01 PM

usernameguy: Apparently Strunk had written 20 previous lawsuits.

All with impeccable grammar, syntax and style.


I laughed too hard at that.
 
2013-04-05 03:25:43 PM

Deep Contact: Obaamma


I'm not sure where you're going with this epithet.  I mean I can understand using a 0 for the O or things like "bummer" or "bongo" or "bigot", but are you saying he's a sheep?  I thought his supporters were the sheep.  And what's with the two m's?

/you can tell I'm bored on a Friday afternoon when I'm parsing Presidential epithets
 
2013-04-05 03:27:29 PM

roddack: Had it been the guys first lawsuit on the issue than I may have been irked by the Judge's fine. But 20 previous ones? Come on your time would be more productive arguing with trolls.

Seriously though what do people honestly hope to accomplish with this? Making sure Biden gets to be president.


This.

Of course, your TRUE Birther believes winning against Obama will get Biden thrown out also.

Plus, everything Obama has signed will be automatically overturned.

/they get really quiet when you point out that includes spending bills, which in turn include payments to our servicemen...
 
2013-04-05 03:28:21 PM

Philimus: semiotix: "If the complaint in this action was a movie script, it would be entitled 'The Manchurian Candidate Meets The Da Vinci Code.'"

Hell, I'd see that movie."

So would I. Plot might be kinda hard to follow, though.


That's just what they want you to think...

// so derp the cons of men
 
2013-04-05 03:30:14 PM

A Shambling Mound: I am not a lawyer but I seriously doubt that having (what I assume to be) a civil judgement against you in one court legally bars you from pursuing litigation, even in that same court. Now, how the presiding judge will view that litigation is another matter entirely.  Just from my experiences with district and federal judges outside of a courtroom setting I can say that they are typicallypretty goddamn impressed with themselves and it is best not to poke at them.


There's no automatic bar, no, but the court can in fact bar you from filing new lawsuits (at least without counsel signing on).  See e.g. Jack Thompson, who cannot file any lawsuit in Florida) though that is exceedingly rare.

That wouldn't stop him from being a witness in a case (e.g. a criminal case), but rather just restricts their ability to use the civil court system.
 
2013-04-05 03:31:21 PM
Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

It's based on the Idiot scale of previous tenant. Last I heard, He's being fined -$400,000.00 but he's giving some of it back.
 
2013-04-05 03:31:36 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: you can tell I'm bored on a Friday afternoon when I'm parsing Presidential epithets


That knock on your door is the Secret Service, who would like a word with you.
 
2013-04-05 03:32:08 PM

Carn: Republicans are all about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits so they're going to castigate this guy, right?  Right?


Nice generalization of a political class. As this guy is a complete dumbass I would say yes, they will castigate this guy.
 
2013-04-05 03:32:21 PM

PunGent: Of course, your TRUE Birther believes winning against Obama will get Biden and everyone else in the administration thrown out also and replaced with Republicans.

Plus, everything Obama has signed will be automatically overturned.


Now with more betterness.
 
2013-04-05 03:33:05 PM

Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?


This is the sort of breathtakingly original and witty commentary we've come to expect from the conservative regulars of this website.
 
2013-04-05 03:33:13 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

Any legal expert care to chime in?  I mean, how hard is it to overturn fines like this that are imposed by a judge?  I'd imagine not easy...


Not easy, not impossible.  I'd imagine he could appeal, and possibly get it knocked down to, say, $20k, ie, $1000 per bogus suit.

Not really my area, though.  And judges WILL defend other judges, just like doctors defend other doctors, etc.

Now, if he's got no assets, then he may be judgment proof...it's the ultimate legal defense.
But contempt of court can also land you in jail, so...
 
2013-04-05 03:34:51 PM

Harry Freakstorm: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

It's based on the Idiot scale of previous tenant. Last I heard, He's being fined -$400,000.00 but he's giving some of it back.


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2013-04-05 03:35:28 PM

mattharvest: There's no automatic bar, no, but the court can in fact bar you from filing new lawsuits (at least without counsel signing on).   See e.g. Jack Thompson, who cannot file any lawsuit in Florida) though that is exceedingly rare.


LOL...I had to google his name, as I'd never heard of him. Wow...just...wow.
 
2013-04-05 03:38:53 PM

usernameguy: Apparently Strunk had written 20 previous lawsuits.

All with impeccable grammar, syntax and style.


That's very White of you.
 
2013-04-05 03:39:41 PM
 
2013-04-05 03:39:58 PM

Philimus: Charlie Chingas: "so, he's a conservatard? Retardlican? spoiled brat throwing a fit because the black man got elected?"

Yes.


semiotix: "If the complaint in this action was a movie script, it would be entitled 'The Manchurian Candidate Meets The Da Vinci Code.'"

Hell, I'd see that movie."


So would I. Plot might be kinda hard to follow, though.


You'd really have to study it out.
 
2013-04-05 03:40:09 PM
So hes not gonna pay then?

Judges tend to forget or avoid putting stipulations in the court order for notice of payment, that if not payed within a certain time frame(or appealed) that a nice officer will show up and take the person to jail and then up before the Judge to explain why he not pay.

Basic law to avoid having to keep coming back to the court over and over to get the deadbeat to pay you.
 
2013-04-05 03:42:03 PM
I wonder what the guys looks like, probably a......YUP
 
2013-04-05 03:44:17 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

Any legal expert care to chime in?  I mean, how hard is it to overturn fines like this that are imposed by a judge?  I'd imagine not easy...


It's not a fine (at least, $167k of it is not).  He's been ordered to pay the legal fees of the defendants.   They'll get a judgment docketed against him, and then take whatever steps a private party can usually take to collect a debt.

It's not a contempt issue or a jailin'.
 
2013-04-05 03:46:28 PM
"I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk.

WHAR BENCH WARRANT???!!?? WHAR???!!11!!
 
2013-04-05 03:47:12 PM

Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.


I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.
 
2013-04-05 03:48:00 PM

bikerific: Satanic_Hamster: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

Any legal expert care to chime in?  I mean, how hard is it to overturn fines like this that are imposed by a judge?  I'd imagine not easy...

It's not a fine (at least, $167k of it is not).  He's been ordered to pay the legal fees of the defendants.   They'll get a judgment docketed against him, and then take whatever steps a private party can usually take to collect a debt.

It's not a contempt issue or a jailin'.


This...if it is indeed the case that it's an award of legal fees, rather than a contempt citation.  He MIGHT still get it tossed or reduced on appeal...but that could mean MORE legal fees at the end of the day.
 
2013-04-05 03:49:52 PM

efgeise: Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.

I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.


There's always the classic: B. HUSSEIN Obama.
 
2013-04-05 03:52:29 PM

Stone Meadow: efgeise: Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.

I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.

There's always the classic: B. HUSSEIN Obama.


My personal fav is Bareefer Obonghit
 
2013-04-05 03:52:51 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Deep Contact: Obaamma

I'm not sure where you're going with this epithet.  I mean I can understand using a 0 for the O or things like "bummer" or "bongo" or "bigot", but are you saying he's a sheep?  I thought his supporters were the sheep.  And what's with the two m's?

/you can tell I'm bored on a Friday afternoon when I'm parsing Presidential epithets


Obama is very sheepish when asked to describe what exactly he stands for besides the vague "Hope and Change", hence the baa. Mm stands for M&M. Obama may be black on the inside, but on the outside he is actually half white, not chocolate, and is a shell of a man.
 
2013-04-05 03:52:54 PM

efgeise: Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.

I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.


2.bp.blogspot.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-05 03:54:28 PM
Haha, I keep reading a particular Farker's name as 'Derp Contact.'

Which is appropriate I suppose. :)
 
2013-04-05 03:57:02 PM

Heraclitus: My personal fav is Bareefer Obonghit


I am sooooooo stealing that.
 
2013-04-05 03:57:48 PM

Heraclitus: Stone Meadow: efgeise: Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.

I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.

There's always the classic: B. HUSSEIN Obama.

My personal fav is Bareefer Obonghit


Ok that's on my new favs list.
 
2013-04-05 03:58:34 PM

Carn: MyPenIsHuge: Carn: Republicans are all about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits so they're going to castigate this guy, right?  Right?

Nice generalization of a political class. As this guy is a complete dumbass I would say yes, they will castigate this guy.

Pointing out a party platform?  I'm not exactly breaking new ground here.

The Republican Party has published its 2012 Republican Party Platform in which it addresses many issues, including "tort reform" under the heading, "Reducing Costs through Tort Reform," in which it states:

Frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits have ballooned the cost of healthcare for the average American. Physicians are increasingly practicing defensive medicine because of the looming threat of malpractice liability. Moreover, some medical practitioners are avoiding patients with complex and high-risk medical problems because of the high costs of medical malpractice lawsuits. Rural America is hurt especially hard as obstetricians, surgeons, and other healthcare providers are moving to urban settings or retiring, causing a significant healthcare workforce shortage and subsequently decreasing access to care for all patients. We are committed to aggressively pursuing tort reform legislation to help avoid the practice of defensive medicine, to keep healthcare costs low, and improve healthcare quality.


Complete BS. Not you, them...
The costs of a setelement are high, because that is how much it costs to correct the damage you are doing by "phone-ing it in" when you are doing the job. They would not have this problem if they were compotent and reasearched how to do their job.
Train better doctors, make them keep up with the present standards and remove the licenses from the incompotent ones until they re-train. It is an industruy that REQUIRES government regulation, and if they regulated it properly costs would go down.

doctors are fleeing Rural areas because they can make just as much or more in the cities, and have a better life style.
Doctors can make allot of money, but that is only deserved when they are compotent, and too many are not. Force them to charge based on a compotence level test, and once their pay is affected they will straighten up.
 
2013-04-05 04:00:13 PM

Johnny_Whistle: Chingas


Johnny_Whistle: Philimus: Charlie Chingas: "so, he's a conservatard? Retardlican? spoiled brat throwing a fit because the black man got elected?"

Yes.


semiotix: "If the complaint in this action was a movie script, it would be entitled 'The Manchurian Candidate Meets The Da Vinci Code.'"

Hell, I'd see that movie."


So would I. Plot might be kinda hard to follow, though.

You'd really have to study it out.


I bet if they throw jesus in there somewhere, guns and cars turning left it would make perfect sense.
 
2013-04-05 04:03:32 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

Any legal expert care to chime in?  I mean, how hard is it to overturn fines like this that are imposed by a judge?  I'd imagine not easy...


To quote the Second Circuit Court of Appeals (where this case will be appealed to):

We review a district court's award of attorneys' fees for abuse of discretion, and we will reverse only if the decision rested on an error of law or a clearly erroneous finding of fact, or was not otherwise "`within the range of permissible decisions.'" McDaniel v. Cnty. of Schenectady, 595 F.3d 411, 416 (2d Cir. 2010) (quoting Kickham Hanley P.C. v. Kodak Ret. Income Plan, 558 F.3d 204, 209 (2d Cir. 2009)). Our review of fee decisions is especially deferential because the district court "`is intimately [more] familiar with the nuances of the case, [and thus] is in a far better position to make [such] decisions.'" Goldberger v. Integrated Res., Inc., 209 F.3d 43, 48 (2d Cir. 2000) (quoting In re Bolar Pharm. Co. Sec. Litig., 966 F.2d 731, 732 (2d Cir. 1992) (per curiam)).

Translation: unless the judge made up numbers out of thin air, the decision will be affirmed. And even if the appeals court does find something wrong, they would just send it right back to the same judge and tell him to do it again.
 
2013-04-05 04:06:37 PM

Cork on Fork: Translation: unless the judge made up numbers out of thin air, the decision will be affirmed. And even if the appeals court does find something wrong, they would just send it right back to the same judge and tell him to do it again.


In other words...he's boned. LOL
 
2013-04-05 04:11:31 PM

Stone Meadow: In other words...he's boned. LOL


Yes, yes he is. Because if it does get sent back to the judge you can be sure the fact that this guy just laughed about the whole thing will be relevant.

Something similar happened a few years ago. Someone was sentenced to prison and immediately said "oh, that's not a long time at all..." in a press conference. The appeals court ended up telling the judge to do the sentence again for a few reasons, but the fact that the person was so dismissive of it in the first place was mentioned.

Courts do not like it when people don't take their decisions seriously.
 
2013-04-05 04:17:22 PM

MyPenIsHuge: Carn: Republicans are all about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits so they're going to castigate this guy, right?  Right?

Nice generalization of a political class. As this guy is a complete dumbass I would say yes, they will castigate this guy.


Republicans are famous for castigating their most prominent idiots. Particularly in birther cases. It's why Donald Trump was so roundly criticised, and why Sarah Palin immediately retracted her background check joke.
 
2013-04-05 04:18:06 PM
sjmcc13:Complete BS. Not you, them...
The costs of a settlement are high, because that is how much it costs to correct the damage you are doing by "phone-ing it in" when you are doing the job. They would not have this problem if they were competent and researched how to do their job.
Train better doctors, make them keep up with the present standards and remove the licenses from the incompetent ones until they re-train. It is an industry that REQUIRES government regulation, and if they regulated it properly costs would go down.

doctors are fleeing Rural areas because they can make just as much or more in the cities, and have a better life style.
Doctors can make a lot of money, but that is only deserved when they are competent, and too many are not. Force them to charge based on a competence level test, and once their pay is affected they will straighten up.


Methinks you live in a glass house, and should refrain from the casting of stones.  I'm not even going to bother with the grammatical issues.  I do agree that Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue, but you can't argue somebody else's competence when you can't inspire confidence in your own.

/obligatory pet peave
 
2013-04-05 04:22:03 PM
vexatious litigation n. filing a lawsuit with the knowledge that it has no legal basis, with its purpose to bother, annoy, embarrass and cause legal expenses to the defendant. Vexatious litigation includes continuing a lawsuit after discovery of the facts shows it has absolutely no merit. Upon judgment for the defendant, he/she has the right to file a suit for "malicious prosecution" against the original vexatious plaintiff. Moreover, most states allow a judge to penalize a plaintiff and his/her attorney for filing or continuing a "frivolous" legal action with sanctions (money award to the defendant for the trouble and/or attorney fees). (See: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malicious%20prosecution" >malicious prosecution, http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sanction">sanction)
Litigation is typically classified as vexatious when an attorney or a pro se litigant (a person representing himself without an attorney) repeatedly files groundless lawsuits and repeatedly loses. Under the http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Common+Law">Common Law, the frequent incitement of lawsuits by an attorney constituted the crime of http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Barratry">Barratry. In modern law, however, barratry is viewed as an archaic crime and is rarely enforced. Attorneys who encourage vexatious litigation are subject to discipline for violating rules of professional conduct and may be suspended from the http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Practice+of+Law">Practi ce of Law or disbarred.
Sometimes pro se litigants who have lost their initial lawsuits file new actions based on the dispute contained in the original suit. Because the judgment of the original case is dispositive, a court will ultimately dismiss these new actions. To avoid the expenditure of court resources, as well as the costs associated with the defendant's defense of repeated frivolous claims, a court may issue an order forbidding the pro se litigant to file any new actions without permission of the court
 
2013-04-05 04:23:32 PM
TFA looks like a Daily Fail mess:  snippets of story broken up by superfluous large pics.
 
2013-04-05 04:26:07 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Frivolous lawsuits contribute to a larger government.  Dick.


It doesn't count if the frivolous lawsuits are against Obama the Usurper!
 
2013-04-05 04:33:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-05 04:33:50 PM

bikerific: It's not a fine (at least, $167k of it is not).  He's been ordered to pay the legal fees of the defendants.


How does a trio of legal firms run up a bill that large, when the extent of necessary work here is basically a memo to the court saying, "Can you believe this farkin' guy?"
 
2013-04-05 04:38:45 PM
One more time:

McCain was born outside the United States on a military base. The State Department specifically states that being born on a military base does not automatically qualify you as a citizen under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, at the time of his birth, the law did not automatically grant citizenship to persons born in the Panama Canal Zone, even if both their parents were Americans. McCain was retroactively granted citizenship by a change in the law shortly after he was born but, and this is the important part, he was not a citizen at birth.

On the other hand, you have a guy who was born in a hospital in Hawaii, a state of the United States. His birth certificate says so, witnesses at the time say so, birth announcements in contemporary newspapers say so, and the Hawaiian government says so.

So, until Republicans can tell me why such a stink was made about Obama but not about McCain, I'm going to assume that all birthers, without exception, are either racist or too intentionally ignorant to be worth my time and should probably seek psychological counselling.

/ yes I realize the irony of saying something is not worth my time and then writing a post about it
// but what else do you expect me to do at 3:30 on a Friday, work?
 
2013-04-05 04:39:00 PM

Arumat: sjmcc13:Complete BS. Not you, them...
The costs of a settlement are high, because that is how much it costs to correct the damage you are doing by "phone-ing it in" when you are doing the job. They would not have this problem if they were competent and researched how to do their job.
Train better doctors, make them keep up with the present standards and remove the licenses from the incompetent ones until they re-train. It is an industry that REQUIRES government regulation, and if they regulated it properly costs would go down.

doctors are fleeing Rural areas because they can make just as much or more in the cities, and have a better life style.
Doctors can make a lot of money, but that is only deserved when they are competent, and too many are not. Force them to charge based on a competence level test, and once their pay is affected they will straighten up.

Methinks you live in a glass house, and should refrain from the casting of stones.  I'm not even going to bother with the grammatical issues.  I do agree that Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue, but you can't argue somebody else's competence when you can't inspire confidence in your own.

/obligatory pet peave


I am Dysgraphic, and the spell checker does not work on my browser. Plus I just do not care any more, this is not work or school, and fixing the errors is not worth the effort.

Also spelling is not a sign of compotence, just something used by elietists to make themselves feel better. "It does not matter what he says, I have a PhD and he is a highschool drop-out, listen to me instead" and thing s along those lines. The logic behind the comments is what matters. Not everyone is able to express their ideas to the same level of eloquence,
 
2013-04-05 04:45:40 PM

Lord Dimwit: / yes I realize the irony of saying something is not worth my time and then writing a post about it
// but what else do you expect me to do at 3:30 on a Friday, work?


Yes, back to the grindstone ;)
 
2013-04-05 04:49:21 PM

Heraclitus: Stone Meadow: efgeise: Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.

I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.

There's always the classic: B. HUSSEIN Obama.

My personal fav is Bareefer Obonghit


It's still hard to beat Bukkake O'Bunga.
 
2013-04-05 04:58:14 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Pud: "I'm going to have this thing overturned and I'm not going to pay a dime," vowed Strunk .

Yea, thumbing your nose at the judge. Let me know how that one works out for ya'

Any legal expert care to chime in?  I mean, how hard is it to overturn fines like this that are imposed by a judge?  I'd imagine not easy...


That crazy hag has been trying to get HER fines overturned for most of a decade. So far she's been tossed from every court in America, and was declaring she'd be trying The Hague next.
 
2013-04-05 04:59:03 PM
I would have gone with the "Hero" tag myself
 
2013-04-05 05:03:25 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Heraclitus: Stone Meadow: efgeise: Carn: Deep Contact: How much is Obaamma being fined for being an idiot?

You're supposed to say Fartbongo or King Obambo von Socialista.

I've recently started using Fartbongo Trollbama myself.

There's always the classic: B. HUSSEIN Obama.

My personal fav is Bareefer Obonghit

It's still hard to beat Bukkake O'Bunga.


I've always liked Baroque Husqvarna myself.
 
2013-04-05 05:07:23 PM

sjmcc13: Also spelling is not a sign of compotence, just something used by elietists to make themselves feel better. "It does not matter what he says, I have a PhD and he is a highschool drop-out, listen to me instead" and thing s along those lines. The logic behind the comments is what matters. Not everyone is able to express their ideas to the same level of eloquence,


You know a lot of high school dropouts who are in the habit of making a lot of sense? Because I sure don't.
 
2013-04-05 05:17:15 PM

dv-ous: sjmcc13: Also spelling is not a sign of compotence, just something used by elietists to make themselves feel better. "It does not matter what he says, I have a PhD and he is a highschool drop-out, listen to me instead" and thing s along those lines. The logic behind the comments is what matters. Not everyone is able to express their ideas to the same level of eloquence,

You know a lot of high school dropouts who are in the habit of making a lot of sense? Because I sure don't.


I know a people who were forced to drop out for economic/family reasons. I also do not limit my social interacitons to only my age group.
plus you do not need to be makign allot of sense to be right on that one issue, especially if it is something you deal with on a regular basis.
 
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