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(Fox News)   John Boehner to Obama: We will not allow you to destroy Social Security, a program my party has cherished and nurtured for generations, just to push through another tax hike on America   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2013-04-05 12:24:24 PM  
Boehner be trollin'
 
2013-04-05 12:26:42 PM  
And the sky is plaid, and grass is polka-dotted.
 
2013-04-05 12:28:57 PM  
I'm happy with that, because that was a farking stupid proposal from Obama if Boehner had called him on it.
 
2013-04-05 12:30:34 PM  
Because the GOP didn't totally fight the creation of Social Security, tooth and nail, decrying it as creeping socialism...

lol
 
2013-04-05 12:45:30 PM  

Infernalist: Because the GOP didn't totally fight the creation of Social Security, tooth and nail, decrying it as creeping socialism...

lol


And try to privatize it 10 years ago, something that during the 2008 crash would have pretty much bankrupted the entire SS program and left millions without a retirement.
 
2013-04-05 12:53:17 PM  
I'm a little confused. Boehner supported the budgets proposed by Ryan, right? Didn't those have something to say about SS? Like, besides privatization, enacting various tricks that end up cutting benefits by 20-50%?

http://www.strengthensocialsecurity.org/ryan
 
2013-04-05 12:53:26 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: Infernalist: Because the GOP didn't totally fight the creation of Social Security, tooth and nail, decrying it as creeping socialism...

lol

And try to privatize it 10 years ago, something that during the 2008 crash would have pretty much bankrupted the entire SS program and left millions without a retirement.


Hell, Paul Ryan and his Randian ilk still want to privatize it.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:01 PM  
I'll bet no one saw THAT coming.
*yawn*
 
2013-04-05 12:58:31 PM  

CaptSacto: I'll bet no one saw THAT coming.
*yawn*


Past proposals like this have a way ending up in the "deals" anyway with no Republican concessions.  SS is likely to end up being cut.
 
2013-04-05 12:58:36 PM  
So when Obama comes up with a cohesive plan, the GOP boner decries it yet again?
Who put his tape on loop?
 
2013-04-05 12:59:45 PM  

MrBallou: I'm a little confused. Boehner supported the budgets proposed by Ryan, right? Didn't those have something to say about SS? Like, besides privatization, enacting various tricks that end up cutting benefits by 20-50%?

http://www.strengthensocialsecurity.org/ryan


I think I can help clear up the confusion.  Boehner is a patholigical liar who will do and say whatever he must in order to gain and keep power for his party.  Keep that in mind and his claims will make much more sense.
 
2013-04-05 01:10:42 PM  

FloydA: MrBallou: I'm a little confused. Boehner supported the budgets proposed by Ryan, right? Didn't those have something to say about SS? Like, besides privatization, enacting various tricks that end up cutting benefits by 20-50%?

http://www.strengthensocialsecurity.org/ryan

I think I can help clear up the confusion.  Boehner is a patholigical liar who will do and say whatever he must in order to gain and keep power for his party.  Keep that in mind and his claims will make much more sense.


Don't forget the booze. That explains some of it, too.
 
2013-04-05 01:13:21 PM  
Troll-mitter failed to mention in his headline that it's tax hikes for the wealthy.
 
2013-04-05 01:15:33 PM  
Ya got me subby.  I read the article looking for that phrase, thinking Boner was doing some remarkable trolling you magnificent bastard.
 
2013-04-05 01:18:21 PM  

Lorelle: And the sky is plaid, and grass is polka-dotted.


plaidurday.com

they've gone plaid.
 
2013-04-05 01:24:59 PM  
Honestly, Obama is terrible at this and is only saved by how insane the GOP is. If they were not insane, Obama would be coming off terribly, but they keep saving him from hismelf.
 
2013-04-05 01:57:06 PM  

offmymeds: Troll-mitter failed to mention in his headline that it's tax hikes for the wealthy.


All conservatives are wealthy, and none rely on government programs at all.
 
2013-04-05 02:49:36 PM  
I have to wonder if this isn't some sort of reverse psychology by Obama to trick the GOP into doing what he wanted all along.
 
2013-04-05 03:05:56 PM  

SilentStrider: I have to wonder if this isn't some sort of reverse psychology by Obama to trick the GOP into doing what he wanted all along.


I hope. But I would need him to show his work *AFTER* our safety net programs are saved.
 
2013-04-05 03:10:50 PM  
In the end, the president got his tax hikes on the wealthy with no corresponding spending cuts.

Lying liars and the lies they tell.
 
2013-04-05 03:12:12 PM  
Chained CPI is a terrible idea, and this proposal should put to rest any notion that Obama is a liberal.
 
2013-04-05 03:13:57 PM  
Pssst...Mr. Boehner...

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-05 03:25:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: SilentStrider: I have to wonder if this isn't some sort of reverse psychology by Obama to trick the GOP into doing what he wanted all along.

I hope. But I would need him to show his work *AFTER* our safety net programs are saved.


Getting the GOP to actually act in a way that actually helps people isn't enough? ;)
 
2013-04-05 03:27:49 PM  

propasaurus: offmymeds: Troll-mitter failed to mention in his headline that it's tax hikes for the wealthy.

All conservatives are wealthy, and none rely on government programs at all.


That might have been a better headline to accompany this link.
 
2013-04-05 03:35:29 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: And try to privatize it 10 years ago, something that during the 2008 crash would have pretty much bankrupted the entire SS program and left millions without a retirement.


If Social Security was privatized, it would be swimming in money now.  Have you seen the stock market recently?  It would be solvent and sustainable thanks to the market's recovery.
 
2013-04-05 03:37:53 PM  
next up: obama comes out in favor of breathing air!
 
2013-04-05 03:41:11 PM  

SlothB77: CPT Ethanolic: And try to privatize it 10 years ago, something that during the 2008 crash would have pretty much bankrupted the entire SS program and left millions without a retirement.

If Social Security was privatized, it would be swimming in money now.  Have you seen the stock market recently?  It would be solvent and sustainable thanks to the market's recovery.


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i575.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-05 03:45:52 PM  
"America has a spending problem"

Huh. What is it that we are spending too much money on?


nationalpriorities.org
 
2013-04-05 03:47:50 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama would be coming off terribly, but they keep saving him from hismelf.


Which is good, because his melf is farking terrifying.
 
2013-04-05 03:50:07 PM  
He's just jealous Obama's gonna get to do it first.
 
2013-04-05 03:53:04 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: DamnYankees: Obama would be coming off terribly, but they keep saving him from hismelf.

Which is good, because his melf is farking terrifying.


I believe it was hi smelf.
 
2013-04-05 03:55:16 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: AdolfOliverPanties: DamnYankees: Obama would be coming off terribly, but they keep saving him from hismelf.

Which is good, because his melf is farking terrifying.

I believe it was hi smelf.


Yes, thank you. Come on people, they are just typos. Hiram Smelf is a terrible negotiator and we need to broadcast that fact.
 
2013-04-05 03:57:51 PM  

GAT_00: I'm happy with that, because that was a farking stupid proposal from Obama if Boehner had called him on it.


I think the point, GAT_00, is President Obama and Democrats are offering modest concessions for tax hikes to balance the budget. This approach differs from gutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to afford low taxes for the rich as proposed multiple times by the Republicans.

You know my position already. I'm cool with Defense, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid levels as-is, raising everyone's federal income taxes back to pre-2001 rates, boosting Medicare taxes a bit and moving on to immigration reform. We couldn't afford the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts the Republicans passed back then during two wars. We still can't now as we have to pay off those two wars. Social Security is solvent until 2020+. Medicare is in need of support now.

With more real workers coming in paying taxes via immigration reform into SS and Medicare, we may offset the Boomers growing old and kicking off.

Can't expect much from those Gen X and Y kids to hold a real job instead of playing video games all day.

/Dang whipper-snappers.
 
2013-04-05 04:00:30 PM  
Oh, and a *golf clap* to Submitter for the clever twist in party philosophies.
 
2013-04-05 04:01:15 PM  

vernonFL: "America has a spending problem"

Huh. What is it that we are spending too much money on?


[nationalpriorities.org image 648x504]


those drones aren't going to make themselves.
 
2013-04-05 04:02:15 PM  

AirForceVet: GAT_00: I'm happy with that, because that was a farking stupid proposal from Obama if Boehner had called him on it.

I think the point, GAT_00, is President Obama and Democrats are offering modest concessions for tax hikes to balance the budget. This approach differs from gutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to afford low taxes for the rich as proposed multiple times by the Republicans.

You know my position already. I'm cool with Defense, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid levels as-is, raising everyone's federal income taxes back to pre-2001 rates, boosting Medicare taxes a bit and moving on to immigration reform. We couldn't afford the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts the Republicans passed back then during two wars. We still can't now as we have to pay off those two wars. Social Security is solvent until 2020+. Medicare is in need of support now.

With more real workers coming in paying taxes via immigration reform into SS and Medicare, we may offset the Boomers growing old and kicking off.

Can't expect much from those Gen X and Y kids to hold a real job instead of playing video games all day.

/Dang whipper-snappers.


But SS doesn't need cuts to fix it.  Those cuts won't come close to fixing the SS deficit, which is internal to itself and doesn't have anything to do with the main budget problems.  It's a non-sequester that won't fix the problem with SS, won't fix the budget, won't fix the deficit, and still leaves us with a need for big changes in the future.

It's a stupid ploy that would never get Republican support, which is the only reason for it.  But anyone could have predicted that the GOP would never support it.  So in every single way it's an utterly stupid idea and it should have NEVER been proposed.
 
2013-04-05 04:04:06 PM  
Once again, 0bammy proves to be an uncompromising dictator.
 
2013-04-05 04:21:02 PM  
So, Obama can now take this as proof that the republicans will not want to cut social security, so he need never offer that again, correct?
 
2013-04-05 04:24:44 PM  
Chained CPI is no better a measure of inflation than the CPI used today. They're all complex mathematical formulas that try to distill how prices are changing on millions of products sold in the country to one figure that applies to every American. That's an impossible task since everyone buys different stuff at different times in the year and throughout their life.
 
2013-04-05 04:26:08 PM  

AirForceVet: We couldn't afford the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts the Republicans passed back then during two wars.


This really is what all the bluster comes down to, isn't it?
 
2013-04-05 04:26:49 PM  
"the president got his tax hikes on the wealthy with no corresponding spending cuts"

Wat?
 
2013-04-05 04:27:19 PM  
step 1: privatize social security.

Step 2: Embezzle it to bankruptcy.

Step 3: get bailed out by the taxpayer.

Step 4: repeat until the end of time.
 
2013-04-05 04:27:27 PM  
Gee Obama, aren't you glad you started out halfway in between the Republicans and the Democrats, you STUPID motherf*cker? Why do you keep doing this to yourself?
 
2013-04-05 04:29:18 PM  

SlothB77: CPT Ethanolic: And try to privatize it 10 years ago, something that during the 2008 crash would have pretty much bankrupted the entire SS program and left millions without a retirement.

If Social Security was privatized, it would be swimming in money now.  Have you seen the stock market recently?  It would be solvent and sustainable thanks to the market's recovery.


Hold on a minute. You WANT Social Security to invest its money in corporations and start running them?
 
2013-04-05 04:30:05 PM  
Thank God for Republican obstructionism.

CaptSacto: I'll bet no one saw THAT coming.
*yawn*


Matt Yglesias at Slate predicted Boehner's response almost verbatim...

Yglesias: "Inside the Beltway, Republicans can say 'well, look, we disagree about taxes but why don't we just do these entitlement reforms that even the president thinks we should do.'"

Boehner: "If the president believes these modest entitlement savings are needed to help shore up these programs, there's no reason they should be held hostage for more tax hikes."
 
2013-04-05 04:30:20 PM  

FlashHarry: next up: obama comes out in favor of breathing air!


I wish he would propose new laws banning cliff jumping, inhaling compressed air, crossing busy freeways on foot, etc. We'd be rid of stupid Teabaggers in no time.
 
2013-04-05 04:30:29 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Chained CPI is a terrible idea, and this proposal should put to rest any notion that Obama is a liberal.


He's black, by definition a liberal.
 
2013-04-05 04:33:06 PM  
I don't get why the GOP hates this so much, they get to squeeze the middle/lower classes that depend to one degree or another(even as just supplementary income) on social security into paste. Isn't that worth some platinum toilet shiatter actually having to pay a tax once in a while?
 
2013-04-05 04:33:10 PM  
The Speaker is completely right. We shouldn't try to raise taxes on all of America.

Just about 2% of it.
 
2013-04-05 04:34:03 PM  

SlothB77: If Social Security was privatized, it would be swimming in money now.  Have you seen the stock market recently?  It would be solvent and sustainable thanks to the market's recovery.


Only after being bailed out by the federal government.

/but you go with that
//social security is supposed to be immune to the wims of the market on purpose
 
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