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2013-04-05 02:34:46 PM  

rickythepenguin: so i wonder where Nirvana "was" in March/April 1994.


There was an article awhile ago that addressed Kurt (supposedly on his own accord) going behind Dave and Krist's back and restructuring many, if not all of the band's existing financial and business arrangements which gave Kurt more control and basically cutting those two out of damn near anything. This was done like, probably in '94 or at least w/in a year of his death.

I was never a Nirvana superfan or anything, so the exact details I don't remember, but in that article, Dave hinted at an acknowledgement of Kurt's dealings and I think more or less was like "yeah, that was Courtney's call, not his".
 
2013-04-05 02:36:04 PM  
Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:13 PM  

timujin: Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)


I can make up words too : Flwahwogg Ptrudtink!
 
2013-04-05 02:36:15 PM  
Patterson:  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.

i.imgur.com


I think I see what you're doing here.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:24 PM  

Rustybumperjack: Never cared. Still don't. Their music sucked.


This. And what they did to flannel shirts is a farking disgrace.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:32 PM  
It's been five years since we lost Chuck Heston.
Fifteen since we lost Cozy Powell
and eight years since we lost DebraLee Scott.
 
2013-04-05 02:40:54 PM  
"John Lennon of the 90's"? Maybe the John Lennon of the Cobain household. Nirvana was the first band to hit with a new style, but they obviously weren't some kind of developers, too many bands followed to quickly with too much talent for them to be all be inspired by Nirvana.  So when you take that out of the picture, what's left that made this particular train wreck so "legendary"? His penchant for whining about how much it sucked to have the things he'd always wanted?

Big deal.
 
2013-04-05 02:41:49 PM  
Why does Subby hate John Lennon so much?

/ Whiny grunge.
 
2013-04-05 02:44:10 PM  

timujin: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yeah well 1 day ago today someone else important died

Jim Marshall, English businessman, founder of Marshall Amplification (b. 1923)
Barney McKenna, Irish musician (The Dubliners) (b. 1939)
Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)


Barney McKenna died?  shiat.  His banjoing on the best of the dubliner's cd is extraordinary
 
2013-04-05 02:44:12 PM  
ALSO...

Layne Thomas Staley
(August 22, 1967 - April 5, 2002)

to the day 8 years later.

Just sayin...
 
2013-04-05 02:44:20 PM  
no I don't have a gun...
 
2013-04-05 02:46:21 PM  
how about counting the "weekaversaries" or some other crap.  he wasn't that good, he's gone, get over it.
 
2013-04-05 02:47:33 PM  

theurge14: Patterson:  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.

[i.imgur.com image 400x300]

I think I see what you're doing here.


I see that as a natural evolution. I like Eddie's uke album and would love to have heard Kurt's banjo work.
 
2013-04-05 02:50:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: downstairs: I have no idea on any tensions in the band

that's a very interesting subject, as Courtney insists that Kurt was really farking tired of Nirvana anyways, and if i recall, she says he and Grohl were on the outs.  but then she's also crazy.  Grohl addresses the breakup but in the interviews I've heard, he doesn't go into specifics of how the band was "doing" when kurt died, and Krist hasn't said much that I know of.

so i wonder where Nirvana "was" in March/April 1994.  Kurt had the suicide attempt in early March, which I think ended the european tour (or came at the end) but.....isn't part of the story that no one was in contact with him the last 2-3 weeks of his life?  meaning, whether it means something or not, neither Grohl nor krist was talking to their bandleader, who was desperately trying to get into rehab (before running away).

maybe I'm making false assumptions or have a bad memory, but what if there was some shiat going down?  my point is Courtney says there was, Grohl won't really address it, and Krist isn't talking. makes you think.


Yeah, by all accounts he absolutely hated the fame.  And not in some hipster way.  He just hated every aspect of Nirvana beyond playing music.

You ahbor your job, you're a millionare... eventually you're going to quit.

Unfortunately he "quit" in the worst possible way.

Any BS with finances or tensions I have to belive is Courtney.  By all accounts Kurt didn't even know how much money he had or was making every month.  He sincerely didn't care.  Courtney did, though.

This is all speculation, but the evidence is there.  (And no, I do not believe Courtney had anything to do with his death, or any of that BS.)
 
2013-04-05 02:51:16 PM  

downstairs: I have no idea on any tensions in the band... but its clear that Grohl knew he had enough talent to run a great band on his own, and not just be the drummer of Nirvana.  Lets assume Cobain never died (suicide or drugs or whatever)... I have to believe it would be long before Grohl quit anyway because of how farked Cobain was to basically form the Foo Fighters.


Grohl didn't have a whole lot of confidence about his material.  He really had to grow into the role of frontman.  (I met him during the first Foo tour, and it was amazing how awkward and introverted he seemed.)

Grohl and Cobain weren't hanging out much in the last months of Cobain's life.  When people have asked him about how Cobain was doing during that timeframe, he's acknowledged that he really didn't know.  During the fall US, Cobain (and Courtney) travelled in a separate bus to Grohl and Novoselic.  For the most part, they were walking off of the stage and doing their own thing.

In Charles Cross' book, Novoselic related an anecdote from the last few weeks of Cobain's life.  Cobain called him, ostensibly to go out for dinner and hang out, and it turned out that Cobain simply wanted a ride to go get heroin.

It's hard to say that there were tensions between the band members - the band simply wasn't a functional entity after the Rome incident.  People were too busy trying to get Cobain clean (and healthy), and then he ran off to be by himself.  Their management announced that Nirvana was dropping off of the headliner spot at Lolla '94 not long before he died.  Some folks interpreted that as a "breakup", but I think it was more an acknowledgement that the business elements couldn't move forward while Cobain was unreachable.

If Cobain hadn't died when he did, I think the best anyone could have hoped for would have been a Nirvana hiatus, during which Grohl might have started working on his material, maybe threw together Foo Fighters for a short run.  But I don't think FF would have been considered anything more than a side project - Nirvana would have been "forced"/encouraged to get back together to make another record in 1995.

(Grohl knew Nirvana was his meal ticket.  Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)

But, honestly, I don't think Cobain could possibly have survived more than another couple of years.  He wasn't interested in getting clean - and the Rome incident (ie - almost dying) wasn't enough to make it happen.  How many times can one person OD, or come that close to dying without succeeding?  If he'd survived 1994, it's seemingly inevitable that he either would have OD'ed one last time or died of something else.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:20 PM  

Kazaa: Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)


Huh, so it happened that relatively quickly after they got big. I swore what I read was them being blindsided by a "renegotiation" much later.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:28 PM  

Kazaa: (Grohl knew Nirvana was his meal ticket. Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)


Let me reword that: I think Grohl has personal conviction, I just don't think he believed in himself until he was forced into doing FF. But Cobain farked the two of them over, and they both accepted it.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:38 PM  
I liked the song with the kinda zombie like cheer leaders, but I think I liked Weird Al's version better, same cheer leaders.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:40 PM  

liam76: LewDux: [img29.imageshack.us image 800x459]

JESUS ARE THOSE PEOPLE FOR REAL???


I'm 99.9% sure that's a Photoshop, but yes, sadly there are Cobain murder conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-04-05 02:55:49 PM  
The John Lennon of the 90s really?
 
2013-04-05 02:56:34 PM  
Hey man, nice shot.
 
2013-04-05 02:57:12 PM  

rooftop235: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 183x275]

The lyrics to ICP's "Terrible" come to mind.
The whole world was crying when Kurt's gun went BANG!
When Eazy-E died though, it wasn't no thang
Rapper dies of A.I.D.S. but you hardly mention
Rocker blows his face off and becomes a legend
Heroin and a shotgun, a hero is made
Maybe I should do that shiat so J can get paid


Look everyone!  A juggalo.  Point and laugh!!!

/I keed
//Kinda
 
2013-04-05 02:57:43 PM  
There's only one John Lennon.
 
2013-04-05 02:58:22 PM  

whither_apophis: Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.


Came here to say this.

Alice in Chains: Better than Nirvana and holds up better than Pearl Jam.
 
2013-04-05 03:00:45 PM  

WTF Indeed: Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?

His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


A big fat THIS. I like the Foo Fighters more than I ever liked Nirvana.
 
2013-04-05 03:00:53 PM  

tattedupgirl: The John Lennon of the 90s really?


I know, right? We all know he's still alive and still writing great music:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Ironically enough, the album "Stranger than Fiction" came out in 1994...


But until then, you're better off dead, a smile on the lips and a whole in the head...
 
2013-04-05 03:02:12 PM  
I was 38, and could have cared less.
Cobain was nowhere near the songwriter/musician that Lennon was.
 
2013-04-05 03:02:42 PM  

wjllope: RIP......
[joedaly.net image 480x446]



Wow! A "Harry Potter" guitar. I wonder where I can get one.

Is that dude holding it a Juggalo?
 
2013-04-05 03:04:45 PM  

jayhawk88: whither_apophis: Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.

Came here to say this.

Alice in Chains: Better than Nirvana and holds up better than Pearl Jam.


yeah, this.
 
2013-04-05 03:05:29 PM  

genepool lifeboat: whole in the head...


effin hole.  Jeezus
 
2013-04-05 03:05:31 PM  

Kazaa: And here's my annual post reminding people that they day they're remembering was actually April 8th.

The coroner guessed he died on April 5th.  So we mark that day instead.


From an article published on April 6th, 1994.  "Cobain, who was believed to be in Seattle, was not available for comment."

"They've been on the verge of breaking up forever and this doesn't sound more serious than the other 43,000 times," said one source close to the band, "though this could be a signal from the other members of the band that Kurt needs to focus on taking better care of himself."

Cobain admitted to using heroin and other drugs in interviews last year after he and Love had been dogged by rumors about it.


It's weird now, to read that and know that Kurt was probably already dead when it was published.
 
2013-04-05 03:09:14 PM  
Roy Smeck, guitarist/banjoist , did die 19 years ago today.

/ Never knew he was the John Lennon of the '90s.

// He was in his 90's when he died though.
 
2013-04-05 03:09:18 PM  

wjllope: RIP......
[joedaly.net image 480x446]


That's right you heartless bastards.  Ace Frehley is DEAD.  Who weeps for Ace?
 
2013-04-05 03:09:31 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.

Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.


good argument, succinct, well-said.

why are you on fark?  heh.  just kiddin.....good jorb.
 
2013-04-05 03:11:26 PM  
Crimony, stop the comparisons with Lennon/Cobain.
The Beatles were at the vanguard of a movement in music.  Nirvana was at the vanguard of a movement in music.  But one of these was not like the other.
Both died by guns, one a murder, one a suicide.  One of these is not like the other.
John was a working class hero, Kurt was homeless before success hit.  One of these is not like the other.
One had a huge body of work, one, not so much.  One of these is not like the other.
I'm sure it took guts to walk away from "The Beatles."  Leaving Nirvana by suicide didn't take guts, brains perhaps, but not guts.  One of these things...
Granted, both woke up one day and may have screamed: "OMG, I'm married to..."
Kurt did join the 27 club. Had John joined the 27 club, we would not have had Sgt. Pepper, the White Album, Abbey Rd., Let it Be, (NTM Yellow Sub), one of these things....
BUT A BIG farkING DIFFERENCE SUBBY!
 
2013-04-05 03:13:11 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: It's been five years since we lost Chuck Heston.
Fifteen since we lost Cozy Powell
and eight years since we lost DebraLee Scott.


www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2013-04-05 03:14:29 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Now that's just silly. Lennon was already legendary at the time of his death.
 
2013-04-05 03:17:02 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: timujin: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yeah well 1 day ago today someone else important died

Jim Marshall, English businessman, founder of Marshall Amplification (b. 1923)
Barney McKenna, Irish musician (The Dubliners) (b. 1939)
Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)

Barney McKenna died?  shiat.  His banjoing on the best of the dubliner's cd is extraordinary


See? Now you feel bad, too.  I'm helpful.
 
2013-04-05 03:18:09 PM  

theurge14: Patterson:  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.



I think I see what you're doing here.


I thought he was referring to John Doe of X.
 
2013-04-05 03:20:20 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
/obligatory
 
2013-04-05 03:23:07 PM  
PS to my above post-- I remember as a pre-teen debates I had with my buds, "who was better, the Beatles, or the Monkees."  I always chose the Monkees.
PPS - I remember driving in my car as a 30 yr-old and hearing SLTS for the first time and being blown away.

Can appreciate both.  Art is subjective.
 
2013-04-05 03:23:31 PM  
Comparing two musicians that only have in common the fact that lonely, distraught high schoolers love their music until they get to college is awesome!

When Nirvana has sold more records than most pop musicians (some combined), maybe it's time to stop calling it "alternative" and start classifying it as "pop" (which stands for popular).

Oh, and Cobain was a piece of shiat who would shoot heroin while sitting next to children (1993, Boise Idaho, after the Bleach debut party at Harhoffs basement).  Burn in hell, motherfarker.
 
2013-04-05 03:27:02 PM  
userserve-ak.last.fm
Hey guys what's goin' on?
 
2013-04-05 03:29:34 PM  
My wife and I still joke to this day about the wall-to-wall MTV News coverage when it happened.

We both remarked at the time about Curt Loder repeating over and over again "self inflicted gunshot wound to the head".

It's still a running joke in the house, whether we're talking about Nirvana or MTV.
 
2013-04-05 03:29:53 PM  
I was in my college dorm when Kurt Loder announced it. I immediately committed a copycat suicide.
 
2013-04-05 03:31:55 PM  
I find it more fun to thank my lucky stars that certain music celebrities haven't died at the apex or their popularity to become legends.  Some of them I actually like but don't think I could handle this "genius" crap:
1. Axel Rose
2. Henry Rollins
3. Marilyn Manson
4. Fred Durst
5. Billy Corgan
6. Prince
7. John Mayer
8. Kid Rock

feel free to tack on.  Or wish they were dead.
 
2013-04-05 03:41:52 PM  

Lsherm: Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.


Lennon had lost it. Most of the post-Beatles stuff was terrible and there was no sign of it getting better.

I think it's funny how the best songs written after The Beatles split were by George Harrison.
 
2013-04-05 03:42:28 PM  
Duck_Of_Doom I was more upset hearing Alan Kulwicki died.  Didn't give a single care about Cobain or Nirvana.

To be fair, most farkers would rather go out on the Hooters Corporate Jet than a shotgun to the head in a Madrona Carriage House
 
2013-04-05 03:44:41 PM  
He sucked.
 
2013-04-05 03:44:50 PM  

Lsherm: Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better. Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.


You really know nothing at all about mental illness, do you? You must know someone personally who's killed themself. It'd explain a lot. Maybe a little Column A a little Column B.
 
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