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2013-04-05 11:36:26 AM
I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.
 
2013-04-05 11:41:47 AM
I was in my car listening to the local alt/"modern rock" station when the DJ broke in and announced it.  Odd that I can remember it vividly since I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan at the time.
 
2013-04-05 11:41:50 AM
Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?
 
2013-04-05 11:47:32 AM
And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.
 
2013-04-05 11:49:07 AM
Load up on guns and bring your friends
 
2013-04-05 11:51:39 AM
I was working at Little Caesars pizza and some customer told me.  Sad day.
 
2013-04-05 11:57:45 AM
I think I was 11 years old.  I was unaffected.
 
2013-04-05 11:59:35 AM

Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?


His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.
 
2013-04-05 12:05:29 PM

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.
 
2013-04-05 12:06:03 PM
The end of one legend, the birth of another...


www.liveforfilms.com
 
2013-04-05 12:10:46 PM

Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.


As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.
 
2013-04-05 12:14:51 PM

GAT_00: Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.

As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Cobain might have treated the women in his life better, but Lennon was a better artist and probably left a bigger musical legacy.  That doesn't excuse his violence against women, of course, but lots of artists have had personal failings.

/George was still the best Beatle.
//Never really cared for Lennon's solo stuff, or McCartney's solo stuff, but together, they were unbelievable.
 
2013-04-05 12:16:15 PM

GAT_00: Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.

As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Lennon at least had an established body of work.
 
2013-04-05 12:18:38 PM

GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Lennon evolved out of that.  He admitted what a bastard he'd been and changed his ways.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is only an apt comparison on three counts:  they were male, they played music, they were killed by gunfire.

Cobain didn't create the vast library of masterpieces that Lennon did.  Maybe if he'd had an equal level writing partner like Lennon did and had lived long enough, he could have gotten closer.

Then again, Lennon was only 28 when the Beatles broke up.  Cobain was 27 when he offed himself. Courtney killed him.
 
2013-04-05 12:26:33 PM
I was sitting in my apt a block off Broadway Ave in Seattle, using the internet to my school's dialup.

Heard about it on IRC.

Went outside, up to Broadway Ave, and found about double the normal amount of sullen sad suburban teens walking around looking lost, wearing their best flannel.

A few days later I overheard two teen girls say outloud that they hoped they could find "a Kurt Cobain sweater" at the Buffalo Exchange clothes store.

And then the giant clusterfk at the Seattle Center fountain, you've all seen that thing. Courtney raging, everyone suddenly feeling like it was her fault. That nutcase that *really* thought it was her fault, got on cable access for years pushing his theories.

Fun C/S/B. So I lived in the neighborhood that Cobain's followers considered their spiritual home, Seattle Capitol Hill/Belltown, we were the center of the "Seattle Alternative Scene" or at least where most of the trendy followers were. The street was the center everyone drove to to just walk around and soak up the vibe in the days after he died. Broadway was full of sad lil grunger teens from all the burbs.

And a year later, I was living in Upper Haight San Francisco when Jerry Garcia died, and I got to see it all over again.

The joke was if you were a worshipped rock icon you did not want me living in your fans main social hub neighborhood, cause it meant you'd be dead soon.

c/s/b
 
2013-04-05 12:27:06 PM

MaxxLarge: JESUS, I'm old.


You think that's bad, I was just out of college and on my way to work in Manhattan when news came over the radio in my car that Lennon had been murdered. That was a very sad time.
 
2013-04-05 12:30:57 PM

GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.
 
2013-04-05 12:36:37 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.

Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.


That's very thoughtful and well-reasoned.

So, I'm afraid we're going to have to ask you to leave.
 
2013-04-05 12:36:37 PM

Nabb1: I was in my car listening to the local alt/"modern rock" station when the DJ broke in and announced it.  Odd that I can remember it vividly since I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan at the time.


Yeah, me too. Except I liked Nirvana a lot and was really sad about Cobain's death. The last time I went home I noticed that the little side road I was driving down when I heard the news no longer exists. It's a strip mall now. For some reason that bothered me.
 
2013-04-05 12:37:14 PM

Generation_D: I was sitting in my apt a block off Broadway Ave in Seattle, using the internet to my school's dialup.

Heard about it on IRC.

Went outside, up to Broadway Ave, and found about double the normal amount of sullen sad suburban teens walking around looking lost, wearing their best flannel.

A few days later I overheard two teen girls say outloud that they hoped they could find "a Kurt Cobain sweater" at the Buffalo Exchange clothes store.



A Kurt Cobain sweater?

What, was it stained with blood and brain matter?
 
2013-04-05 12:42:09 PM
And popular music has really, REALLY sucked since then.

I didn't worship the guy, but I really like Nirvana.

WTF Indeed: His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


Oh, but they were. That's part of the reason I got into Nirvana so easily; I could relate to the pain and despair that were reflected in Cobain's lyrics.

Lsherm: Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.


He was severely depressed, and being married to Love didn't help.
 
2013-04-05 12:52:22 PM

MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.


Me too. Jerry Garcia died when I was in college too.
 
2013-04-05 12:53:56 PM

MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.

 
2013-04-05 01:08:15 PM
Ain't none of them whippersnappers what can hold a candle to Bobby Sherman!

*waves cane at thread*
 
2013-04-05 01:09:07 PM
Fark you subby. Cobain was no John Lennon. The comparison is not even close to imaginable.
John Lennon was murdered. Kurt Cobain committed suicide. The comparisons diverge even more from there.
 
2013-04-05 01:12:18 PM
Kurt Cobain is the John Lennon of the '90's?  Now that is a trolltastic headline.

Murder =! suicide
Musically, Lennon was no Cobain.
Worldly, Cobain was no Lennon.
 
2013-04-05 01:15:57 PM

vernonFL: MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.

Me too. Jerry Garcia died when I was in college too.


You youngsters are so cute.
 
2013-04-05 01:23:35 PM

WTF Indeed: Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?

His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


This.

SlothB77: Kurt Cobain is the John Lennon of the '90's?  Now that is a trolltastic headline.

Murder =! suicide
Musically, Lennon was no Cobain.
Worldly, Cobain was no Lennon.


That.
 
2013-04-05 01:26:59 PM
I like Nirvana and couldn't care less that Kurt Cobain blew his stupid face off.
 
2013-04-05 01:27:32 PM
I never cared much for Nirvana but this:

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Was actually pretty cool.
 
2013-04-05 01:28:11 PM
meh code mess
 
2013-04-05 01:28:53 PM
farm1.staticflickr.com

The man who murdered Kurt Cobain
 
2013-04-05 01:28:55 PM
A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.
 
2013-04-05 01:29:29 PM
Not of my age group, didn't affect me much. I like a couple Nirvana songs, but if he were the voice of my generation I'd be disappointed.
 
2013-04-05 01:31:36 PM
I was more saddened by the month earlier death of John Candy. With Kobain, it wasn't completely unexpected.
 
2013-04-05 01:31:41 PM
I was more upset hearing Alan Kulwicki died.  Didn't give a single care about Cobain or Nirvana.
 
2013-04-05 01:32:52 PM
Jeff Buckley died in 1997, so it can't be 19 years yet.
 
2013-04-05 01:33:57 PM
I remember this day almost as well as that one other day I didn't give a Flying Elvis
 
2013-04-05 01:34:09 PM
 
2013-04-05 01:35:14 PM
MAX TROLLING ACHIEVED.
 
2013-04-05 01:35:15 PM
I'd JUST got home from school.  Kurt Loder told me, too.  Still have VHS tape of MTV stuff that weekend, "Live & Loud," Unplugged, that Behind The Music type doc. they used to run on everyone.  (Can't remember the name of those, which is pissing me off.  Not Rockumentary...)

/Were they supposed to play Lolla that year?
 
2013-04-05 01:35:24 PM
That is a top-notch headline, subby.
 
2013-04-05 01:37:15 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Then again, Lennon was only 28 when the Beatles broke up. Cobain was 27 when he offed himself. Courtney killed him


BS.

He was a coaward and had nobody to blame but himself.

devilEther: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 640x463]

The man who murdered Kurt Cobain


Ok, uncle.  that is obscure...
 
2013-04-05 01:37:23 PM
img29.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-05 01:37:59 PM
Harrison and SRV's passing affected me more than Lennon or Cobain.

A little too young for Lennon, Musically too old by that time for Cobain.
 
2013-04-05 01:38:04 PM

genepool lifeboat: thi

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oh, the nostalgia
 
2013-04-05 01:38:27 PM

Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.


Happy Birthday!
 
2013-04-05 01:38:37 PM

LewDux: [img29.imageshack.us image 800x459]


JESUS ARE THOSE PEOPLE FOR REAL???
 
2013-04-05 01:38:50 PM
It really was the best possible thing for his career. Nirvana was running out of gas anyway.

Still, leaving his daughter to be raised by Courtney Love was unbelievably shiatty, so fark him. Not that he would have been a great dad, but pretty much anyone is better than Courtney Love.
 
2013-04-05 01:40:07 PM
Kurt Cobain was not an untalented individual but the only reason he is a cultural icon is because he offed himself, which by itself is a disturbing statement.

Nirvana were the first ones out of the box once the music industry discovered the Seattle scene as their next big cash cow. Cobain couldn't handle the fame, whined about it a lot, took a lot of drugs, married a skank that further turned his life into a public freak show, until one day he had enough so he took the loser way out by shooting himself. Cobain was a selfish little boy who never got over his parents divorce and decided to harm himself to punish them. He left behind a daughter to be raised by a junkie. Yeah, great guy, that Kurt Cobain.

Lennon, at least, tried to find some good in the world and give something positive back to it. Sure, he had a sense of self importance and mistakenly thought what the world needed was a little more Yoko Ono, but he didn't die by his own hand because he hated what he'd become. He actually wanted to live and be a positive force for good.
 
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