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2013-04-05 11:36:26 AM  
I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.
 
2013-04-05 11:41:47 AM  
I was in my car listening to the local alt/"modern rock" station when the DJ broke in and announced it.  Odd that I can remember it vividly since I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan at the time.
 
2013-04-05 11:41:50 AM  
Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?
 
2013-04-05 11:47:32 AM  
And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.
 
2013-04-05 11:49:07 AM  
Load up on guns and bring your friends
 
2013-04-05 11:51:39 AM  
I was working at Little Caesars pizza and some customer told me.  Sad day.
 
2013-04-05 11:57:45 AM  
I think I was 11 years old.  I was unaffected.
 
2013-04-05 11:59:35 AM  

Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?


His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.
 
2013-04-05 12:05:29 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.
 
2013-04-05 12:06:03 PM  
The end of one legend, the birth of another...


www.liveforfilms.com
 
2013-04-05 12:10:46 PM  

Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.


As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.
 
2013-04-05 12:14:51 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.

As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Cobain might have treated the women in his life better, but Lennon was a better artist and probably left a bigger musical legacy.  That doesn't excuse his violence against women, of course, but lots of artists have had personal failings.

/George was still the best Beatle.
//Never really cared for Lennon's solo stuff, or McCartney's solo stuff, but together, they were unbelievable.
 
2013-04-05 12:16:15 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.

As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Lennon at least had an established body of work.
 
2013-04-05 12:18:38 PM  

GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Lennon evolved out of that.  He admitted what a bastard he'd been and changed his ways.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is only an apt comparison on three counts:  they were male, they played music, they were killed by gunfire.

Cobain didn't create the vast library of masterpieces that Lennon did.  Maybe if he'd had an equal level writing partner like Lennon did and had lived long enough, he could have gotten closer.

Then again, Lennon was only 28 when the Beatles broke up.  Cobain was 27 when he offed himself. Courtney killed him.
 
2013-04-05 12:26:33 PM  
I was sitting in my apt a block off Broadway Ave in Seattle, using the internet to my school's dialup.

Heard about it on IRC.

Went outside, up to Broadway Ave, and found about double the normal amount of sullen sad suburban teens walking around looking lost, wearing their best flannel.

A few days later I overheard two teen girls say outloud that they hoped they could find "a Kurt Cobain sweater" at the Buffalo Exchange clothes store.

And then the giant clusterfk at the Seattle Center fountain, you've all seen that thing. Courtney raging, everyone suddenly feeling like it was her fault. That nutcase that *really* thought it was her fault, got on cable access for years pushing his theories.

Fun C/S/B. So I lived in the neighborhood that Cobain's followers considered their spiritual home, Seattle Capitol Hill/Belltown, we were the center of the "Seattle Alternative Scene" or at least where most of the trendy followers were. The street was the center everyone drove to to just walk around and soak up the vibe in the days after he died. Broadway was full of sad lil grunger teens from all the burbs.

And a year later, I was living in Upper Haight San Francisco when Jerry Garcia died, and I got to see it all over again.

The joke was if you were a worshipped rock icon you did not want me living in your fans main social hub neighborhood, cause it meant you'd be dead soon.

c/s/b
 
2013-04-05 12:27:06 PM  

MaxxLarge: JESUS, I'm old.


You think that's bad, I was just out of college and on my way to work in Manhattan when news came over the radio in my car that Lennon had been murdered. That was a very sad time.
 
2013-04-05 12:30:57 PM  

GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.
 
2013-04-05 12:36:37 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.

Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.


That's very thoughtful and well-reasoned.

So, I'm afraid we're going to have to ask you to leave.
 
2013-04-05 12:36:37 PM  

Nabb1: I was in my car listening to the local alt/"modern rock" station when the DJ broke in and announced it.  Odd that I can remember it vividly since I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan at the time.


Yeah, me too. Except I liked Nirvana a lot and was really sad about Cobain's death. The last time I went home I noticed that the little side road I was driving down when I heard the news no longer exists. It's a strip mall now. For some reason that bothered me.
 
2013-04-05 12:37:14 PM  

Generation_D: I was sitting in my apt a block off Broadway Ave in Seattle, using the internet to my school's dialup.

Heard about it on IRC.

Went outside, up to Broadway Ave, and found about double the normal amount of sullen sad suburban teens walking around looking lost, wearing their best flannel.

A few days later I overheard two teen girls say outloud that they hoped they could find "a Kurt Cobain sweater" at the Buffalo Exchange clothes store.



A Kurt Cobain sweater?

What, was it stained with blood and brain matter?
 
2013-04-05 12:42:09 PM  
And popular music has really, REALLY sucked since then.

I didn't worship the guy, but I really like Nirvana.

WTF Indeed: His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


Oh, but they were. That's part of the reason I got into Nirvana so easily; I could relate to the pain and despair that were reflected in Cobain's lyrics.

Lsherm: Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.


He was severely depressed, and being married to Love didn't help.
 
2013-04-05 12:52:22 PM  

MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.


Me too. Jerry Garcia died when I was in college too.
 
2013-04-05 12:53:56 PM  

MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.

 
2013-04-05 01:08:15 PM  
Ain't none of them whippersnappers what can hold a candle to Bobby Sherman!

*waves cane at thread*
 
2013-04-05 01:09:07 PM  
Fark you subby. Cobain was no John Lennon. The comparison is not even close to imaginable.
John Lennon was murdered. Kurt Cobain committed suicide. The comparisons diverge even more from there.
 
2013-04-05 01:12:18 PM  
Kurt Cobain is the John Lennon of the '90's?  Now that is a trolltastic headline.

Murder =! suicide
Musically, Lennon was no Cobain.
Worldly, Cobain was no Lennon.
 
2013-04-05 01:15:57 PM  

vernonFL: MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.

Me too. Jerry Garcia died when I was in college too.


You youngsters are so cute.
 
2013-04-05 01:23:35 PM  

WTF Indeed: Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?

His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


This.

SlothB77: Kurt Cobain is the John Lennon of the '90's?  Now that is a trolltastic headline.

Murder =! suicide
Musically, Lennon was no Cobain.
Worldly, Cobain was no Lennon.


That.
 
2013-04-05 01:26:59 PM  
I like Nirvana and couldn't care less that Kurt Cobain blew his stupid face off.
 
2013-04-05 01:27:32 PM  
I never cared much for Nirvana but this:

s:encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

319 × 320319 × 320

Was actually pretty cool.
 
2013-04-05 01:28:11 PM  
meh code mess
 
2013-04-05 01:28:53 PM  
farm1.staticflickr.com

The man who murdered Kurt Cobain
 
2013-04-05 01:28:55 PM  
A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.
 
2013-04-05 01:29:29 PM  
Not of my age group, didn't affect me much. I like a couple Nirvana songs, but if he were the voice of my generation I'd be disappointed.
 
2013-04-05 01:31:36 PM  
I was more saddened by the month earlier death of John Candy. With Kobain, it wasn't completely unexpected.
 
2013-04-05 01:31:41 PM  
I was more upset hearing Alan Kulwicki died.  Didn't give a single care about Cobain or Nirvana.
 
2013-04-05 01:32:52 PM  
Jeff Buckley died in 1997, so it can't be 19 years yet.
 
2013-04-05 01:33:57 PM  
I remember this day almost as well as that one other day I didn't give a Flying Elvis
 
2013-04-05 01:34:09 PM  
 
2013-04-05 01:35:14 PM  
MAX TROLLING ACHIEVED.
 
2013-04-05 01:35:15 PM  
I'd JUST got home from school.  Kurt Loder told me, too.  Still have VHS tape of MTV stuff that weekend, "Live & Loud," Unplugged, that Behind The Music type doc. they used to run on everyone.  (Can't remember the name of those, which is pissing me off.  Not Rockumentary...)

/Were they supposed to play Lolla that year?
 
2013-04-05 01:35:24 PM  
That is a top-notch headline, subby.
 
2013-04-05 01:37:15 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Then again, Lennon was only 28 when the Beatles broke up. Cobain was 27 when he offed himself. Courtney killed him


BS.

He was a coaward and had nobody to blame but himself.

devilEther: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 640x463]

The man who murdered Kurt Cobain


Ok, uncle.  that is obscure...
 
2013-04-05 01:37:23 PM  
img29.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-05 01:37:59 PM  
Harrison and SRV's passing affected me more than Lennon or Cobain.

A little too young for Lennon, Musically too old by that time for Cobain.
 
2013-04-05 01:38:04 PM  

genepool lifeboat: thi

s:[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 224x225]

oh, the nostalgia
 
2013-04-05 01:38:27 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.


Happy Birthday!
 
2013-04-05 01:38:37 PM  

LewDux: [img29.imageshack.us image 800x459]


JESUS ARE THOSE PEOPLE FOR REAL???
 
2013-04-05 01:38:50 PM  
It really was the best possible thing for his career. Nirvana was running out of gas anyway.

Still, leaving his daughter to be raised by Courtney Love was unbelievably shiatty, so fark him. Not that he would have been a great dad, but pretty much anyone is better than Courtney Love.
 
2013-04-05 01:40:07 PM  
Kurt Cobain was not an untalented individual but the only reason he is a cultural icon is because he offed himself, which by itself is a disturbing statement.

Nirvana were the first ones out of the box once the music industry discovered the Seattle scene as their next big cash cow. Cobain couldn't handle the fame, whined about it a lot, took a lot of drugs, married a skank that further turned his life into a public freak show, until one day he had enough so he took the loser way out by shooting himself. Cobain was a selfish little boy who never got over his parents divorce and decided to harm himself to punish them. He left behind a daughter to be raised by a junkie. Yeah, great guy, that Kurt Cobain.

Lennon, at least, tried to find some good in the world and give something positive back to it. Sure, he had a sense of self importance and mistakenly thought what the world needed was a little more Yoko Ono, but he didn't die by his own hand because he hated what he'd become. He actually wanted to live and be a positive force for good.
 
2013-04-05 01:40:47 PM  
Got home from school, saw it on MTV News.  Called my best friend and sat there in silence on the phone.

Looking back, I don't know why it bothered me so much.
 
2013-04-05 01:42:19 PM  
Never cared. Still don't. Their music sucked.
 
2013-04-05 01:42:23 PM  
I liked Nirvana.  I was in college but I didn't give a flying f*ck about him and his shotgun sandwich.  But I remember thinking to myself "Oh God.  Here it comes.  The guy who was just pretty good will now be considered an alltime legend and I'll have to hear about this crap every year for the rest of my life."
So far I've been right.
 
2013-04-05 01:43:26 PM  
 
2013-04-05 01:43:37 PM  

devilEther: The man who murdered Kurt Cobain


This.
 
2013-04-05 01:44:38 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.

Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.


They come back from the dead and you let you blow them yet or what?
 
2013-04-05 01:47:01 PM  
I remember not being shocked about it, he had nearly died before from an OD.  Obviously not a happy occasion but not a shocked.  Kind of like Jerry Garcia the following year.
 
2013-04-05 01:48:04 PM  
What still bugs me is that Courtney Love's murder trial and plea deal were quickly put on the back pages because of the whole OJ thing.

Damn media.
 
2013-04-05 01:48:06 PM  
As with Elvis, Lennon's death had a bigger immediate impact because his fan base were in their 30s and 40s; they were the establishment.  Cobain's fans were still pretty much kids/college students in '94.
 
2013-04-05 01:49:35 PM  

devilEther: liam76: Ok

el duce interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho2nK5IQs_g


never knkew that the lead singer of the Mentors was that starved for attention...
 
2013-04-05 01:50:28 PM  

StrikitRich: Jeff Buckley died in 1997, so it can't be 19 years yet.


www.cheekychicago.com
Came here to say this!
 
2013-04-05 01:51:09 PM  

liam76: LewDux: [img29.imageshack.us image 800x459]

JESUS ARE THOSE PEOPLE FOR REAL???


I'm afraid so. But the picture is altered
 
2013-04-05 01:51:34 PM  
Suicides don't make me sad. Doesn't matter who it was.
 
2013-04-05 01:52:19 PM  

MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.


I was doing construction on a 60,000 sq ft facility for a pump manufacturer in Seminole County, FL. At Lunch I went to KFC and there was a newspaper with Cobain on the front.

/get off MY lawn.   :-)
 
2013-04-05 01:52:59 PM  

Tom_Slick: Kind of like Jerry Garcia the following year.


Jerry died???? fark!

yeah, we got cut loose from my military school that day, half day, went to the on-base exchange, and thought about buying "In Utero", didn't.  walked back to the barracks, turn on the TV and they were showing the "Unplugged" concert, figured, "whatver".  then they broke to Loder and that's when I found out.

I wasn't a huuuuuge fan but I liked them.  I was certainly bummed out but not terribly affected.  I never bought "Nevermind" but I liked the stuff on "In Utero".

/also, this annual thread marks one of the weirdest moments on Fark i've ever had.  I have a very, very high quality bootleg of something like, the 3rd to last Nirvana show, 2/22/94 (it circulates in various labels, mine is "Tour Over Europe".  Commercial quality live show.  anywyas, i said in the kurt thread, "email me if you want a copy, send a blank CD and a buck for return postage".

few weeks later, someone posts a thread:  "hey.  some fark guy sent me this amazing live Nirvana CD.  his name is [MY ACTUAL GODAMN NAME].  i can't remember his login name.  anybody know him?  i want to say thanks."
 
2013-04-05 01:53:21 PM  
Jon Poussette-Dart is still alive
 
2013-04-05 01:53:21 PM  
"Hey, maybe he's better off.  He woulda made a lousy plumber..'
 
2013-04-05 01:54:51 PM  

Kyosuke: Suicides don't make me sad. Doesn't matter who it was.



agreed.  and so odd to think that in 1994, he was like, i don't know, 7 years older than me, and now.....i'm like, fark, i'm 12-15 years older than he was when he died.

also, i saw Smashing Pumpkins about a week later, and we all wondered if BC would acknowledge Kurt's death in any way, and he didn't.  but it was still in the air, obviously.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:56 PM  

bugmn99: devilEther: The man who murdered Kurt Cobain

This.


I have my doubts as to whether El Duce killed Cobain. I have no such doubts about Courtney.
 
2013-04-05 01:55:02 PM  
 
2013-04-05 01:56:07 PM  

MaxxLarge: I was in college. Kurt Loder told me, on MTV News.

JESUS, I'm old.


We probably saw the exact same MTV News segment.
 
2013-04-05 01:56:42 PM  

Lee's_Austin: Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.

Happy Birthday!


Thanks! It's not until Monday (the day he was found--he died on the 5th though).
 
2013-04-05 01:56:59 PM  
Lennon? Cobain?  Neither are Gene Simmons!
 
2013-04-05 01:57:54 PM  
Yeah, he should be equated with John Lennon.......for sure.
 
2013-04-05 01:58:22 PM  
www.eachnotesecure.com

Greater loss.
 
2013-04-05 01:59:09 PM  

Blues_X: The end of one legend, the birth of another...


[www.liveforfilms.com image 300x300]


Arseface story used Kurt Cobain because it was topical but the character was based off of James Vance Link
/Preacher is the greatest story ever told
//I was a fan of Nirvana but didn't worship Cobain
 
2013-04-05 02:00:15 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same


And popular music sucks. It's true, I read it on fark
 
2013-04-05 02:00:42 PM  

srhp29: We probably saw the exact same MTV News segment.


the way i remember it, MTV spent basically the entire day (a friday, strangely enough....ok, 1 in 7 chance, not a huge coincidence i guess) and then weekend on it.

i remember the footage of Courntey reading his suicide note at the rally and the whole, "on the count of 3, shout, 'fark you!' to Kurt, that stupid asshole" moment.
 
2013-04-05 02:01:18 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

The lyrics to ICP's "Terrible" come to mind.
The whole world was crying when Kurt's gun went BANG!
When Eazy-E died though, it wasn't no thang
Rapper dies of A.I.D.S. but you hardly mention
Rocker blows his face off and becomes a legend
Heroin and a shotgun, a hero is made
Maybe I should do that shiat so J can get paid
 
2013-04-05 02:02:10 PM  
Kurt Cobain shooting himself was the best thing he did for Nirvana.

If he was still alive he would be at Axel Rose levels of sad and pathetic.
 
2013-04-05 02:02:20 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Add to that list Joplin, Hendrix, Moon, Bonham, Morrision, etc...

Music, especially popular music is obsessed with stories, legends and myths.  Dying before they could shatter any of the myths was the best thing they could have ever done.  So they get elevated into some kind of mythical status instead of grow old and out of rock.  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.
 
2013-04-05 02:04:12 PM  

Lunchlady: Kurt Cobain shooting himself was the best thing he did for Nirvana.

If he was still alive he would be at Axel Rose levels of sad and pathetic.


That's a little harsh, Motley Crue or Van Halen, but not Axel Rose.
 
2013-04-05 02:05:13 PM  
Nirvana/Cobaine made some awesome music, I am still a huge fan.  I don't think Cobaine was the lyricist nor leader of a generation that Lennon was.
 
2013-04-05 02:05:22 PM  

StrikitRich: Jeff Buckley died in 1997, so it can't be 19 years yet.


Stupid, stupid way to die.  The Mississippi will eat you.
 
2013-04-05 02:06:02 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [www.eachnotesecure.com image 391x267]

Greater loss.


Best. Volkswagen. Commercial. EVAR.

/well, except for  the "oh snap" guy
 
2013-04-05 02:06:06 PM  

Broktun: StrikitRich: Jeff Buckley died in 1997, so it can't be 19 years yet.

[www.cheekychicago.com image 334x403]
Came here to say this!


When you haven't quite broken through and accidentally drown because a boat went by, you're not John Lennon.  You're just a guy who drowned.
/But what could have been
 
2013-04-05 02:10:35 PM  
Nana's Vibrator: When you haven't quite broken through and accidentally drown because a boat went by you were stupid enough to go swimming in the Mississippi river, you're not John Lennon.

FTFY
 
2013-04-05 02:14:20 PM  
And here's my annual post reminding people that they day they're remembering was actually April 8th.

The coroner guessed he died on April 5th.  So we mark that day instead.
 
2013-04-05 02:15:39 PM  
Yeah well 1 day ago today someone else important died
 
2013-04-05 02:16:18 PM  
The more I think about it, Butch Vig deserves A LOT of credit for Nirvana's success. It's not so much I think the production values of Nevermind were so stellar on its own, so much as they were perfect to launch a particular scene into the mainstream via commercial radio. A song like "Smells like Teen Spirit" sounds so much fuller and more dense on the recorded track than a three-piece glorified garage band (at the time) should ever sound like.

/what I'm basically saying is that Vig very artfully and tastefully sold them out.
 
2013-04-05 02:18:02 PM  

realmolo: Nirvana was running out of gas anyway.


Yeah, I don't see how they would have lasted much longer.  Remember Cobain was in a coma for quite awhile (drug use, I assume).

I have no idea on any tensions in the band... but its clear that Grohl knew he had enough talent to run a great band on his own, and not just be the drummer of Nirvana.  Lets assume Cobain never died (suicide or drugs or whatever)... I have to believe it would be long before Grohl quit anyway because of how farked Cobain was to basically form the Foo Fighters.

I loved Nirvana at the time, but only a handful of songs have stood the test of time.  And I don't see how they would have evolved into something better.
 
2013-04-05 02:18:04 PM  
cs301815.vk.me

"19 years ago today, the John Lennon of the '90s died "
 
2013-04-05 02:19:25 PM  
what? No Penny Arcade?
 
2013-04-05 02:21:22 PM  

Killer Cars: The more I think about it, Butch Vig deserves A LOT of credit for Nirvana's success. It's not so much I think the production values of Nevermind were so stellar on its own, so much as they were perfect to launch a particular scene into the mainstream via commercial radio. A song like "Smells like Teen Spirit" sounds so much fuller and more dense on the recorded track than a three-piece glorified garage band (at the time) should ever sound like.

/what I'm basically saying is that Vig very artfully and tastefully sold them out.


Indeed.  Compare Bleach to Nevermind.  Also watch the Classic Albums DVD on Nevermind.

Bleach is a fun little album, but lets face it... it sounds like your friend's grunge three-person garage band.
 
2013-04-05 02:25:23 PM  

stuhayes2010: Nirvana/Cobaine made some awesome music, I am still a huge fan.  I don't think Cobaine was the lyricist nor leader of a generation that Lennon was.


Cobaine, eh? You're some fan, aintcha?
 
2013-04-05 02:28:35 PM  
 Well, they both had pretty bad B.O.
 
2013-04-05 02:29:05 PM  
RIP......
joedaly.net
 
2013-04-05 02:29:12 PM  

downstairs: I have no idea on any tensions in the band


that's a very interesting subject, as Courtney insists that Kurt was really farking tired of Nirvana anyways, and if i recall, she says he and Grohl were on the outs.  but then she's also crazy.  Grohl addresses the breakup but in the interviews I've heard, he doesn't go into specifics of how the band was "doing" when kurt died, and Krist hasn't said much that I know of.

so i wonder where Nirvana "was" in March/April 1994.  Kurt had the suicide attempt in early March, which I think ended the european tour (or came at the end) but.....isn't part of the story that no one was in contact with him the last 2-3 weeks of his life?  meaning, whether it means something or not, neither Grohl nor krist was talking to their bandleader, who was desperately trying to get into rehab (before running away).

maybe I'm making false assumptions or have a bad memory, but what if there was some shiat going down?  my point is Courtney says there was, Grohl won't really address it, and Krist isn't talking. makes you think.
 
2013-04-05 02:30:25 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yeah well 1 day ago today someone else important

died

Jim Marshall, English businessman, founder of Marshall Amplification (b. 1923)
Barney McKenna, Irish musician (The Dubliners) (b. 1939)
Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)
 
2013-04-05 02:33:45 PM  
Great song writer, horrible guitarist.

Not really a fan.
 
2013-04-05 02:34:46 PM  

rickythepenguin: so i wonder where Nirvana "was" in March/April 1994.


There was an article awhile ago that addressed Kurt (supposedly on his own accord) going behind Dave and Krist's back and restructuring many, if not all of the band's existing financial and business arrangements which gave Kurt more control and basically cutting those two out of damn near anything. This was done like, probably in '94 or at least w/in a year of his death.

I was never a Nirvana superfan or anything, so the exact details I don't remember, but in that article, Dave hinted at an acknowledgement of Kurt's dealings and I think more or less was like "yeah, that was Courtney's call, not his".
 
2013-04-05 02:36:04 PM  
Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:13 PM  

timujin: Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)


I can make up words too : Flwahwogg Ptrudtink!
 
2013-04-05 02:36:15 PM  
Patterson:  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.

i.imgur.com


I think I see what you're doing here.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:24 PM  

Rustybumperjack: Never cared. Still don't. Their music sucked.


This. And what they did to flannel shirts is a farking disgrace.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:32 PM  
It's been five years since we lost Chuck Heston.
Fifteen since we lost Cozy Powell
and eight years since we lost DebraLee Scott.
 
2013-04-05 02:40:54 PM  
"John Lennon of the 90's"? Maybe the John Lennon of the Cobain household. Nirvana was the first band to hit with a new style, but they obviously weren't some kind of developers, too many bands followed to quickly with too much talent for them to be all be inspired by Nirvana.  So when you take that out of the picture, what's left that made this particular train wreck so "legendary"? His penchant for whining about how much it sucked to have the things he'd always wanted?

Big deal.
 
2013-04-05 02:41:49 PM  
Why does Subby hate John Lennon so much?

/ Whiny grunge.
 
2013-04-05 02:44:10 PM  

timujin: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yeah well 1 day ago today someone else important died

Jim Marshall, English businessman, founder of Marshall Amplification (b. 1923)
Barney McKenna, Irish musician (The Dubliners) (b. 1939)
Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)


Barney McKenna died?  shiat.  His banjoing on the best of the dubliner's cd is extraordinary
 
2013-04-05 02:44:12 PM  
ALSO...

Layne Thomas Staley
(August 22, 1967 - April 5, 2002)

to the day 8 years later.

Just sayin...
 
2013-04-05 02:44:20 PM  
no I don't have a gun...
 
2013-04-05 02:46:21 PM  
how about counting the "weekaversaries" or some other crap.  he wasn't that good, he's gone, get over it.
 
2013-04-05 02:47:33 PM  

theurge14: Patterson:  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.

[i.imgur.com image 400x300]

I think I see what you're doing here.


I see that as a natural evolution. I like Eddie's uke album and would love to have heard Kurt's banjo work.
 
2013-04-05 02:50:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: downstairs: I have no idea on any tensions in the band

that's a very interesting subject, as Courtney insists that Kurt was really farking tired of Nirvana anyways, and if i recall, she says he and Grohl were on the outs.  but then she's also crazy.  Grohl addresses the breakup but in the interviews I've heard, he doesn't go into specifics of how the band was "doing" when kurt died, and Krist hasn't said much that I know of.

so i wonder where Nirvana "was" in March/April 1994.  Kurt had the suicide attempt in early March, which I think ended the european tour (or came at the end) but.....isn't part of the story that no one was in contact with him the last 2-3 weeks of his life?  meaning, whether it means something or not, neither Grohl nor krist was talking to their bandleader, who was desperately trying to get into rehab (before running away).

maybe I'm making false assumptions or have a bad memory, but what if there was some shiat going down?  my point is Courtney says there was, Grohl won't really address it, and Krist isn't talking. makes you think.


Yeah, by all accounts he absolutely hated the fame.  And not in some hipster way.  He just hated every aspect of Nirvana beyond playing music.

You ahbor your job, you're a millionare... eventually you're going to quit.

Unfortunately he "quit" in the worst possible way.

Any BS with finances or tensions I have to belive is Courtney.  By all accounts Kurt didn't even know how much money he had or was making every month.  He sincerely didn't care.  Courtney did, though.

This is all speculation, but the evidence is there.  (And no, I do not believe Courtney had anything to do with his death, or any of that BS.)
 
2013-04-05 02:51:16 PM  

downstairs: I have no idea on any tensions in the band... but its clear that Grohl knew he had enough talent to run a great band on his own, and not just be the drummer of Nirvana.  Lets assume Cobain never died (suicide or drugs or whatever)... I have to believe it would be long before Grohl quit anyway because of how farked Cobain was to basically form the Foo Fighters.


Grohl didn't have a whole lot of confidence about his material.  He really had to grow into the role of frontman.  (I met him during the first Foo tour, and it was amazing how awkward and introverted he seemed.)

Grohl and Cobain weren't hanging out much in the last months of Cobain's life.  When people have asked him about how Cobain was doing during that timeframe, he's acknowledged that he really didn't know.  During the fall US, Cobain (and Courtney) travelled in a separate bus to Grohl and Novoselic.  For the most part, they were walking off of the stage and doing their own thing.

In Charles Cross' book, Novoselic related an anecdote from the last few weeks of Cobain's life.  Cobain called him, ostensibly to go out for dinner and hang out, and it turned out that Cobain simply wanted a ride to go get heroin.

It's hard to say that there were tensions between the band members - the band simply wasn't a functional entity after the Rome incident.  People were too busy trying to get Cobain clean (and healthy), and then he ran off to be by himself.  Their management announced that Nirvana was dropping off of the headliner spot at Lolla '94 not long before he died.  Some folks interpreted that as a "breakup", but I think it was more an acknowledgement that the business elements couldn't move forward while Cobain was unreachable.

If Cobain hadn't died when he did, I think the best anyone could have hoped for would have been a Nirvana hiatus, during which Grohl might have started working on his material, maybe threw together Foo Fighters for a short run.  But I don't think FF would have been considered anything more than a side project - Nirvana would have been "forced"/encouraged to get back together to make another record in 1995.

(Grohl knew Nirvana was his meal ticket.  Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)

But, honestly, I don't think Cobain could possibly have survived more than another couple of years.  He wasn't interested in getting clean - and the Rome incident (ie - almost dying) wasn't enough to make it happen.  How many times can one person OD, or come that close to dying without succeeding?  If he'd survived 1994, it's seemingly inevitable that he either would have OD'ed one last time or died of something else.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:20 PM  

Kazaa: Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)


Huh, so it happened that relatively quickly after they got big. I swore what I read was them being blindsided by a "renegotiation" much later.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:28 PM  

Kazaa: (Grohl knew Nirvana was his meal ticket. Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)


Let me reword that: I think Grohl has personal conviction, I just don't think he believed in himself until he was forced into doing FF. But Cobain farked the two of them over, and they both accepted it.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:38 PM  
I liked the song with the kinda zombie like cheer leaders, but I think I liked Weird Al's version better, same cheer leaders.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:40 PM  

liam76: LewDux: [img29.imageshack.us image 800x459]

JESUS ARE THOSE PEOPLE FOR REAL???


I'm 99.9% sure that's a Photoshop, but yes, sadly there are Cobain murder conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-04-05 02:55:49 PM  
The John Lennon of the 90s really?
 
2013-04-05 02:56:34 PM  
Hey man, nice shot.
 
2013-04-05 02:57:12 PM  

rooftop235: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 183x275]

The lyrics to ICP's "Terrible" come to mind.
The whole world was crying when Kurt's gun went BANG!
When Eazy-E died though, it wasn't no thang
Rapper dies of A.I.D.S. but you hardly mention
Rocker blows his face off and becomes a legend
Heroin and a shotgun, a hero is made
Maybe I should do that shiat so J can get paid


Look everyone!  A juggalo.  Point and laugh!!!

/I keed
//Kinda
 
2013-04-05 02:57:43 PM  
There's only one John Lennon.
 
2013-04-05 02:58:22 PM  

whither_apophis: Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.


Came here to say this.

Alice in Chains: Better than Nirvana and holds up better than Pearl Jam.
 
2013-04-05 03:00:45 PM  

WTF Indeed: Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?

His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


A big fat THIS. I like the Foo Fighters more than I ever liked Nirvana.
 
2013-04-05 03:00:53 PM  

tattedupgirl: The John Lennon of the 90s really?


I know, right? We all know he's still alive and still writing great music:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Ironically enough, the album "Stranger than Fiction" came out in 1994...


But until then, you're better off dead, a smile on the lips and a whole in the head...
 
2013-04-05 03:02:12 PM  
I was 38, and could have cared less.
Cobain was nowhere near the songwriter/musician that Lennon was.
 
2013-04-05 03:02:42 PM  

wjllope: RIP......
[joedaly.net image 480x446]



Wow! A "Harry Potter" guitar. I wonder where I can get one.

Is that dude holding it a Juggalo?
 
2013-04-05 03:04:45 PM  

jayhawk88: whither_apophis: Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.

Came here to say this.

Alice in Chains: Better than Nirvana and holds up better than Pearl Jam.


yeah, this.
 
2013-04-05 03:05:29 PM  

genepool lifeboat: whole in the head...


effin hole.  Jeezus
 
2013-04-05 03:05:31 PM  

Kazaa: And here's my annual post reminding people that they day they're remembering was actually April 8th.

The coroner guessed he died on April 5th.  So we mark that day instead.


From an article published on April 6th, 1994.  "Cobain, who was believed to be in Seattle, was not available for comment."

"They've been on the verge of breaking up forever and this doesn't sound more serious than the other 43,000 times," said one source close to the band, "though this could be a signal from the other members of the band that Kurt needs to focus on taking better care of himself."

Cobain admitted to using heroin and other drugs in interviews last year after he and Love had been dogged by rumors about it.


It's weird now, to read that and know that Kurt was probably already dead when it was published.
 
2013-04-05 03:09:14 PM  
Roy Smeck, guitarist/banjoist , did die 19 years ago today.

/ Never knew he was the John Lennon of the '90s.

// He was in his 90's when he died though.
 
2013-04-05 03:09:18 PM  

wjllope: RIP......
[joedaly.net image 480x446]


That's right you heartless bastards.  Ace Frehley is DEAD.  Who weeps for Ace?
 
2013-04-05 03:09:31 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: GAT_00: As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.
Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.

Both of you should try not being dicks.

The comparison of Lennon and Cobain isn't a bad one. Both of them were iconic figures that many fans held in higher esteem than most other popular artists. As far as talent is concerned, that's totally subjective. It's also entirely likely that people who have more respect for
someone from their own generation or closer to their own generation.

Some of us, however, can see past the bullshiat to realize that both Lennon and Cobain are deserving of respect. Lennon and the Beatles were influential and changed the course of popular music. Cobain and Nirvana did the same. They can be equally criticized for the problems they had in their personal lives. In then end, they had faults, just like everyone else.

But yeah, let's turn this thread into a dick waving contest. That's always the best choice.


good argument, succinct, well-said.

why are you on fark?  heh.  just kiddin.....good jorb.
 
2013-04-05 03:11:26 PM  
Crimony, stop the comparisons with Lennon/Cobain.
The Beatles were at the vanguard of a movement in music.  Nirvana was at the vanguard of a movement in music.  But one of these was not like the other.
Both died by guns, one a murder, one a suicide.  One of these is not like the other.
John was a working class hero, Kurt was homeless before success hit.  One of these is not like the other.
One had a huge body of work, one, not so much.  One of these is not like the other.
I'm sure it took guts to walk away from "The Beatles."  Leaving Nirvana by suicide didn't take guts, brains perhaps, but not guts.  One of these things...
Granted, both woke up one day and may have screamed: "OMG, I'm married to..."
Kurt did join the 27 club. Had John joined the 27 club, we would not have had Sgt. Pepper, the White Album, Abbey Rd., Let it Be, (NTM Yellow Sub), one of these things....
BUT A BIG farkING DIFFERENCE SUBBY!
 
2013-04-05 03:13:11 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: It's been five years since we lost Chuck Heston.
Fifteen since we lost Cozy Powell
and eight years since we lost DebraLee Scott.


www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2013-04-05 03:14:29 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Now that's just silly. Lennon was already legendary at the time of his death.
 
2013-04-05 03:17:02 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: timujin: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yeah well 1 day ago today someone else important died

Jim Marshall, English businessman, founder of Marshall Amplification (b. 1923)
Barney McKenna, Irish musician (The Dubliners) (b. 1939)
Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawian politician (b. 1934)

Barney McKenna died?  shiat.  His banjoing on the best of the dubliner's cd is extraordinary


See? Now you feel bad, too.  I'm helpful.
 
2013-04-05 03:18:09 PM  

theurge14: Patterson:  Nirvana fans should thank their lucky stars Kurt isn't around today releasing folk albums on the banjo.



I think I see what you're doing here.


I thought he was referring to John Doe of X.
 
2013-04-05 03:20:20 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
/obligatory
 
2013-04-05 03:23:07 PM  
PS to my above post-- I remember as a pre-teen debates I had with my buds, "who was better, the Beatles, or the Monkees."  I always chose the Monkees.
PPS - I remember driving in my car as a 30 yr-old and hearing SLTS for the first time and being blown away.

Can appreciate both.  Art is subjective.
 
2013-04-05 03:23:31 PM  
Comparing two musicians that only have in common the fact that lonely, distraught high schoolers love their music until they get to college is awesome!

When Nirvana has sold more records than most pop musicians (some combined), maybe it's time to stop calling it "alternative" and start classifying it as "pop" (which stands for popular).

Oh, and Cobain was a piece of shiat who would shoot heroin while sitting next to children (1993, Boise Idaho, after the Bleach debut party at Harhoffs basement).  Burn in hell, motherfarker.
 
2013-04-05 03:27:02 PM  
userserve-ak.last.fm
Hey guys what's goin' on?
 
2013-04-05 03:29:34 PM  
My wife and I still joke to this day about the wall-to-wall MTV News coverage when it happened.

We both remarked at the time about Curt Loder repeating over and over again "self inflicted gunshot wound to the head".

It's still a running joke in the house, whether we're talking about Nirvana or MTV.
 
2013-04-05 03:29:53 PM  
I was in my college dorm when Kurt Loder announced it. I immediately committed a copycat suicide.
 
2013-04-05 03:31:55 PM  
I find it more fun to thank my lucky stars that certain music celebrities haven't died at the apex or their popularity to become legends.  Some of them I actually like but don't think I could handle this "genius" crap:
1. Axel Rose
2. Henry Rollins
3. Marilyn Manson
4. Fred Durst
5. Billy Corgan
6. Prince
7. John Mayer
8. Kid Rock

feel free to tack on.  Or wish they were dead.
 
2013-04-05 03:41:52 PM  

Lsherm: Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.


Lennon had lost it. Most of the post-Beatles stuff was terrible and there was no sign of it getting better.

I think it's funny how the best songs written after The Beatles split were by George Harrison.
 
2013-04-05 03:42:28 PM  
Duck_Of_Doom I was more upset hearing Alan Kulwicki died.  Didn't give a single care about Cobain or Nirvana.

To be fair, most farkers would rather go out on the Hooters Corporate Jet than a shotgun to the head in a Madrona Carriage House
 
2013-04-05 03:44:41 PM  
He sucked.
 
2013-04-05 03:44:50 PM  

Lsherm: Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better. Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.


You really know nothing at all about mental illness, do you? You must know someone personally who's killed themself. It'd explain a lot. Maybe a little Column A a little Column B.
 
2013-04-05 03:48:45 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I find it more fun to thank my lucky stars that certain music celebrities haven't died at the apex or their popularity to become legends.  Some of them I actually like but don't think I could handle this "genius" crap:
1. Axel Rose
2. Henry Rollins
3. Marilyn Manson
4. Fred Durst
5. Billy Corgan
6. Prince
7. John Mayer
8. Kid Rock

feel free to tack on.  Or wish they were dead.


This.

I love Nirvana and consider them legendary, but I can't help think that if Fred Durst died right after Woodstock 99 and Significant Other came out, he would be talked about in the same way as Cobain.
 
2013-04-05 03:49:24 PM  
www.uncoached.com
Want to drive Courtney Love up the wall and shut down any concert she's giving? Simple. Just toss a spent shotgun shell casing onto the stage. She'll immediately go ballistic and stomp off.
 
2013-04-05 03:49:37 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.


Happy Birthday!

Yay, deductive reasoning.
 
2013-04-05 03:52:40 PM  
I just came here to say that Bleach is a f*cking fantastic album.
 
Ant
2013-04-05 03:52:56 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Lennon was 40. That's not exactly young.

/I wish 40 was young
 
2013-04-05 03:54:06 PM  
ParagonComplex You really know nothing at all about mental illness, do you? You must know someone personally who's killed themself. It'd explain a lot. Maybe a little Column A a little Column B.

That was really for his label, management, lawyers, wife, friends, family to sort out-not a random guy on FARK 19 years later.  A rich & famous Seattle guy with various uncles who offed themselves who's hung-up on Frances Farmer should figure his problems weren't with his stomach & Horse...

/have crazy relatives in Seattle
//none of 'em are famous
 
2013-04-05 03:54:56 PM  

Kazaa: Kazaa: (Grohl knew Nirvana was his meal ticket. Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)

Let me reword that: I think Grohl has personal conviction, I just don't think he believed in himself until he was forced into doing FF. But Cobain farked the two of them over, and they both accepted it.


Grohl drummed for Tom Petty for awhile and was on drums when he played SNL on 11/19/94.  He was offered a permanent place in the band but chose instead to record the first FF album (playing almost everything himself).  That doesn't at all sound like he was forced or that he didn't believe in himself.
 
2013-04-05 03:56:48 PM  

WTF Indeed: Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?

His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.


I don't see that.  There's something about Nirvana tunes that I can still listen to.  Pull out the first Foo Fighters record and listen to it.  It has aged badly.  Like Basic Instinct bad.  Like Tim Burton's Batman bad.
 
2013-04-05 04:00:29 PM  
Curt Kobain was the '90s John Lennon?

I don't know who should feel insulted more: Curt John or the general public for such an asinine comment.
 
2013-04-05 04:00:48 PM  

PanicMan: I just came here to say that Bleach is a f*cking fantastic album.


most people don't own it
 
2013-04-05 04:02:14 PM  
I remember Andy Rooney getting all cloud-yelly about Kurt Cobain.
 
2013-04-05 04:04:02 PM  

devilEther: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 640x463]

The man who murdered Kurt Cobain


and Courtney was driving the train tha killed El!
 
2013-04-05 04:04:58 PM  
*that killed El....
 
2013-04-05 04:05:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pull out the first Foo Fighters record and listen to it. It has aged badly.


Outside of a few overplayed songs, I can't remember it really. The Foos to me are just too generic and bland. If Grohl wasn't such a likeable person, I wouldn't hold them in much higher esteem than Nickelback.

/I do like "Everlong" though, and I've air-drummed along to it in public without regard for my appearance or setting.
 
2013-04-05 04:10:23 PM  

Killer Cars: Rapmaster2000: Pull out the first Foo Fighters record and listen to it. It has aged badly.

Outside of a few overplayed songs, I can't remember it really. The Foos to me are just too generic and bland. If Grohl wasn't such a likeable person, I wouldn't hold them in much higher esteem than Nickelback.

/I do like "Everlong" though, and I've air-drummed along to it in public without regard for my appearance or setting.


I thought, "omigod I used to love this record.  It's boring."
 
2013-04-05 04:10:32 PM  
I managed a record store and heard on my way in for my shift.

We made a fortune on all the distraught "Super fans" who apparently had never bought a T-shirt on any of their CDs.

Yes, we jacked the prices up. And I played Soundgarden all day. Fark Nirvana.

You know you were overrated when you kill yourself and the rest of your band goes on without you to considerably greater success in every way.
 
2013-04-05 04:10:50 PM  
CarnySaur I remember Andy Rooney getting all cloud-yelly about Kurt Cobain.

As much as I hate Andy Rooney & agree his comments were lame, something about a Stars & Stripes guy witnessing countless young American crews dying on blood-soaked Nazi Bombing Runs with the Army Air Force's 8th might cheese one off to see a millionaire take himself out a few miles from where those same bombers were built
 
2013-04-05 04:17:22 PM  

rooftop235: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 183x275]

The lyrics to ICP's "Terrible" come to mind.
The whole world was crying when Kurt's gun went BANG!
When Eazy-E died though, it wasn't no thang
Rapper dies of A.I.D.S. but you hardly mention
Rocker blows his face off and becomes a legend
Heroin and a shotgun, a hero is made
Maybe I should do that shiat so J can get paid


It's never a good time for ICP lyrics unless it's about magnets.
 
2013-04-05 04:18:03 PM  
And, after playing a couple tracks of the Foos' debut album, hmm...the production values make the songs sound REAL flat. Never really noticed that before.
 
2013-04-05 04:22:10 PM  

Killer Cars: And, after playing a couple tracks of the Foos' debut album, hmm...the production values make the songs sound REAL flat. Never really noticed that before.


You can say that about a lot of 90's production.

Not even talking about the quality of the music, but it's like they forgot how to mix for 10 years. It could have been the learning curve in moving to digital.
 
2013-04-05 04:22:46 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.


Happy b-day, farker!
 
2013-04-05 04:23:52 PM  
Good, Nirvana was amazing, but I'm happy we have the Fighters of Foo in our lives... except whenever they are brought up in convo, I hear Dave yelling "the best! the best! the best!" in my head for about 5 minutes...freaks my girlfriend out, she says I stare with a blank expression on my face then I grin like Jack Nicholson at the end then bite my lower lip
 
2013-04-05 04:28:57 PM  

PanicMan: I just came here to say that Bleach is a f*cking fantastic album.


Yes, yes it is.

NO RECESS!!
 
2013-04-05 04:30:46 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: jayhawk88: whither_apophis: Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.

Came here to say this.

Alice in Chains: Better than Nirvana and holds up better than Pearl Jam.

yeah, this.


One more for this.
 
2013-04-05 04:33:10 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Killer Cars: And, after playing a couple tracks of the Foos' debut album, hmm...the production values make the songs sound REAL flat. Never really noticed that before.

You can say that about a lot of 90's production.

Not even talking about the quality of the music, but it's like they forgot how to mix for 10 years. It could have been the learning curve in moving to digital.


I think that's it.  Also, the mastering is what really sucked.

Production in the music industry was dominated (mostly) by people who cut their teeth on analog.  I was briefly an audio major in college before switching to another major.  That was 1997-ish.  We were basically the first crop who learned any digital... and even then most of our education was *still* via analog.
 
2013-04-05 04:49:25 PM  

Bobo_Spiewack: I managed a record store and heard on my way in for my shift.

We made a fortune on all the distraught "Super fans" who apparently had never bought a T-shirt on any of their CDs.

Yes, we jacked the prices up. And I played Soundgarden all day. Fark Nirvana.

You know you were overrated when you kill yourself and the rest of your band goes on without you to considerably greater success in every way.


I don't feel like looking up sales figures, but have the Foos sold more than Nirvana? Also, Noveselic really hasn't done anything musically since his pretty awesome Sweet 75 project. I think he did something with the Meat Puppets too.
/Nirvana fan/Foo fan/Noveselic fan.
 
2013-04-05 04:53:33 PM  
Damn, I had just turned 12. I forgot I was that young when he died.

Ya know, I'm kind of "meh" about it all. I was more torn up about Johnny Cash, Joey Ramone, Joe Strummer, Dimebag Darrel or Layne Staley dying.
 
2013-04-05 05:08:51 PM  

Precision Boobery: Kazaa: Let me reword that: I think Grohl has personal conviction, I just don't think he believed in himself until he was forced into doing FF. But Cobain farked the two of them over, and they both accepted it.

Grohl drummed for Tom Petty for awhile and was on drums when he played SNL on 11/19/94.  He was offered a permanent place in the band but chose instead to record the first FF album (playing almost everything himself).  That doesn't at all sound like he was forced or that he didn't believe in himself.


By "forced", I mean that he didn't take his music seriously until after Nirvana was done.  He threw his first solo release (Late! - Pocketwatch) to a cassette-only label under an alias - he didn't do anything with it.

Also - the first Foo album had already been recorded before he played for Petty.  (He finished it in October.)  It was just supposed to be a demo.  If he ever seriously considered joining Petty permanently, he would have had to make that decision knowing that his music was already there.  Around that time, Nirvana's former A&R guy (Gary Gersh) convinced Grohl that the "demo" was release-worthy and signed him to Capitol Records.
 
2013-04-05 05:18:36 PM  

Killer Cars: Kazaa: Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)

Huh, so it happened that relatively quickly after they got big. I swore what I read was them being blindsided by a "renegotiation" much later.


According to Azerrad's book, it happened in March of 1992.  Grohl and Novoselic were both fine with changing the songwriting agreements to give Cobain a bigger share, but Cobain demanded that the change go retroactive to the release of  Nevermind,meaning they'd have to return some of the money they'd already been paid.  It was a total dick move.  I'd like to think I'd have quit before/after signing an agreement like that, but I can totally understand why Novoselic and Grohl didn't.  (It'd be easy to blame Courtney for that mess, but it'd be hard to prove that that's why it happened.)
 
2013-04-05 05:19:24 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I find it more fun to thank my lucky stars that certain music celebrities haven't died at the apex or their popularity to become legends.  Some of them I actually like but don't think I could handle this "genius" crap:
1. Axel Rose
2. Henry Rollins
3. Marilyn Manson
4. Fred Durst
5. Billy Corgan
6. Prince
7. John Mayer
8. Kid Rock

feel free to tack on.  Or wish they were dead.


Fred Durst?  Hell, I'll give you Kid Rock for kicks, but Fred Durst?  He'd've been considered a "genius"?  You sure we wouldn't have had ourselves a little barbeque, that would have been seen for miles, and danced around his corpse like wild injuns?  (Can't remember exact quote.)
 
2013-04-05 05:24:20 PM  

MagSeven: have the Foos sold more than Nirvana?


Wiki says no.  In the US:

Nirvana: 25 million
Foo Fighters: 10 million
 
2013-04-05 05:25:40 PM  

jigoro: Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.

Happy Birthday!

Yay, deductive reasoning.


Somaticasual: Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.

Happy b-day, farker!


Thanks guys, you're all so friendly! :)

/My birthday is on the 8th though (aka the day he was found).
 
2013-04-05 05:29:18 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: jigoro: Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.

Happy Birthday!

Yay, deductive reasoning.

Somaticasual: Bedstead Polisher: A friend called that told me. When I picked up the phone and heard her voice I thought it was nice that she remembered my birthday, but she hadn't.

Happy b-day, farker!

Thanks guys, you're all so friendly! :)

/My birthday is on the 8th though (aka the day he was found).


As you mentioned, but what the hell, the 8th isn't a Friday, and I might not happen across you around here then, so here's another "Happy Birthday Farker."

/Have A Drink On Me?  Oh, wait.  Wrong band.
 
2013-04-05 05:38:07 PM  
John Lennon of the 90s?

/facepalm
 
2013-04-05 05:38:50 PM  
My best guess for how Kurt would be as a performer if still alive today is something like Will Johnson, maybe like this video?

LINK

I don't know why really, and I really love Will's stuff so I know we don't need two of him, I just imagine Kurt being in this vein. Maybe because of that Pagoda song/scene in Last Days by Gus Van Sant where he's playing acoustic alone.

LINK
 
2013-04-05 05:39:29 PM  

ten foiled hats: As you mentioned, but what the hell, the 8th isn't a Friday, and I might not happen across you around here then, so here's another "Happy Birthday Farker."

/Have A Drink On Me? Oh, wait. Wrong band.


Haha, thanks! Still appreciated! :)
 
2013-04-05 05:44:28 PM  
I can see that as valid comparison to some extent. Both interjected a little subversiveness into catchy mainstream songs.
 
2013-04-05 05:50:36 PM  
Didn't Nirvana say at some point that they wanted their songs to be like a combination of The Beatles and Black Sabbath?
Doesn't help with the Lennon comparison, other than I guess Lennon didn't say his stuff sounded like Nirvana and anyone... no, that doesn't help either.
 
2013-04-05 05:55:43 PM  
Lennon never said his band sounded like a band that didn't even exist at the time? No way.
 
2013-04-05 06:01:26 PM  
Meh, they were both overrated twatwaffles that married annoying shrews. Sorry, but Lennon wasn't that great either. He had a few decent tunes, like Kobain, but nowhere near the masterpieces the slavish fanboys constantly yap about. I will say though that at least Lennon didn't take the chickenshiat way out like Kobain and off himself.
 
2013-04-05 06:45:43 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Meh, they were both overrated twatwaffles that married annoying shrews. Sorry, but Lennon wasn't that great either. He had a few decent tunes, like Kobain, but nowhere near the masterpieces the slavish fanboys constantly yap about. I will say though that at least Lennon didn't take the chickenshiat way out like Kobain and off himself.


Now that's how you live up to your Fark handle.
 
2013-04-05 06:53:13 PM  
I thought Garcia died in '95, subby.?!?
 
2013-04-05 07:01:06 PM  

wjllope: RIP......
[joedaly.net image 480x446]


As a guitar player I have to say that axe is the epitome of what they call a "clownburst."

Holy crap that's just an ugly and vile looking top.  It reminds me of the kind of thing when Homer invented the Makeup Gun and shot it at Marge and it was set to "whore."
 
2013-04-05 07:01:13 PM  
I'd say that Kurt Cobain was more comparable to a modern day Bob Dylan, in that you don't have to have a beautiful voice, or be a guitar shredder to be a good tunesmith. Honesty, melody and feeling is what mattered most, and Nirvana had it by the barrel full. I can understand people not getting it, but to say they're over-rated it a stretch. If anything, they're under-appreciated.
 
2013-04-05 07:15:21 PM  
I was in a basement playing D&D when I heard.
 
2013-04-05 07:21:38 PM  

Killer Cars: I was never a Nirvana superfan or anything, so the exact details I don't remember, but in that article, Dave hinted at an acknowledgement of Kurt's dealings and I think more or less was like "yeah, that was Courtney's call, not his".


yeah, that kinda rings a bell with me too but like you, i'm not Captain Nirvana so maybe we're hazy.  or not at all.

Duff McKagan was one of the last people to see Kurt alive.  Duff was flying to Seattle from LA, and Kurt had checked out of the rehab clinic.  Duff was on a sports talk show about a year ago and that came up.  I think he mentioned that they talked a little bit, Kurt looked preoccupied, and they wished each other well and then whatever, days/weeks later, game motherfarking over.
 
2013-04-05 07:21:47 PM  
Divya Bharti?
 
2013-04-05 07:31:43 PM  
Generation_D That nutcase...

"NIKBT: Kurt Cobain Was Murdered"? Richard Lee?  That seemingly Daniel Clowes-drawn gadfly hanging outside Aberdeen High looking for 'clues' while schoolteachers stink-eyed him?  Harassing the Chief Of Police @ the Torchlight Parade for his involvement in the "cover-up"? I LoVED that guy more than Goddesss Kring(just GIS fleshy Seattle Scandinavian body paint Public Access Nude) & Spud Goodman combined http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdWWXAMKLr0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWOAuCTRxQ4
wjllope R.I.P.

w/o going into it, you mean Peter Criss....
 
2013-04-05 07:36:40 PM  
I think it's funny how the best songs written after The Beatles split were by George Harrison.

Have got to disagree.  Harrison came into his own certainly, but 1/2 of ATMP is dated garbage.  Meanwhile Lennon released some incredibly memorable songs (Cold Turkey, #9 Dream come immediately to mind) as well as some garbage; and McCartney seesawed through the 70's (from the highs of the incredible Ram album to the lows of Londontown).

While there was some garbage on Double Fantasy, several songs showed a new, reflective, mature Lennon emerging.  Even content perhaps.  It would have been interesting to see if Cobain could have ever gotten to that place.
 
2013-04-05 07:37:34 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I liked Nirvana.  I was in college but I didn't give a flying f*ck about him and his shotgun sandwich.  But I remember thinking to myself "Oh God.  Here it comes.  The guy who was just pretty good will now be considered an alltime legend and I'll have to hear about this crap every year for the rest of my life."
So far I've been right.


...any chance this was a murder/suicide thing with Eddie Vedder?
 
2013-04-05 07:40:27 PM  
Yeah, can anyone explain what any of the Nirvana songs has to say?
 
2013-04-05 07:46:14 PM  
and that night I went to the national mexican fraternity party in iowa city

yes, they confused me with a mexican for some reason. some serious yuppie cholos from chicago, homey

/had a good time

//nice shot, man
 
2013-04-05 07:57:58 PM  

Mugato: Yeah, can anyone explain what any of the Nirvana songs has to say?


Here's a good explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FklUAoZ6KxY
 
2013-04-05 08:10:18 PM  
The difference being Lennon didn't know his killer?

/Still find it hard to Bargle narvel zouth.
 
2013-04-05 08:11:07 PM  

whither_apophis: Layne Staley died in 2002 subby.


we don't know for sure. No one's been to his apartment for years.
 
2013-04-05 08:19:29 PM  

Skarekrough: wjllope: RIP......
[joedaly.net image 480x446]

As a guitar player I have to say that axe is the epitome of what they call a "clownburst."

Holy crap that's just an ugly and vile looking top.  It reminds me of the kind of thing when Homer invented the Makeup Gun and shot it at Marge and it was set to "whore."


yeah - precisely why I picked that particular image of dearly departed Ace.. Garish, for sure.  Yet somehow quite appropriate for the image as a whole... RIP clown(burst) man. cheers
 
2013-04-05 08:23:39 PM  

huchipapa: While there was some garbage on Double Fantasy, several songs showed a new, reflective, mature Lennon emerging.  Even content perhaps.  It would have been interesting to see if Cobain could have ever gotten to that place.


Precisely. He just got through that whole deportation thing, was now happy primarily being an at-home dad and making music as he pleased, etc.
 
2013-04-05 08:27:41 PM  
I love you Kurt Cobain.

/Milk It & Verse Chorus Verse > all
 
2013-04-05 08:37:31 PM  
Who?
 
2013-04-05 08:44:44 PM  

Generation_D: I was sitting in my apt a block off Broadway Ave in Seattle, using the internet to my school's dialup.

Heard about it on IRC.

Went outside, up to Broadway Ave, and found about double the normal amount of sullen sad suburban teens walking around looking lost, wearing their best flannel.

A few days later I overheard two teen girls say outloud that they hoped they could find "a Kurt Cobain sweater" at the Buffalo Exchange clothes store.

And then the giant clusterfk at the Seattle Center fountain, you've all seen that thing. Courtney raging, everyone suddenly feeling like it was her fault. That nutcase that *really* thought it was her fault, got on cable access for years pushing his theories.

Fun C/S/B. So I lived in the neighborhood that Cobain's followers considered their spiritual home, Seattle Capitol Hill/Belltown, we were the center of the "Seattle Alternative Scene" or at least where most of the trendy followers were. The street was the center everyone drove to to just walk around and soak up the vibe in the days after he died. Broadway was full of sad lil grunger teens from all the burbs.

And a year later, I was living in Upper Haight San Francisco when Jerry Garcia died, and I got to see it all over again.

The joke was if you were a worshipped rock icon you did not want me living in your fans main social hub neighborhood, cause it meant you'd be dead soon.

c/s/b


Kurt Cobain was Murdered.  Public access.  I only remember because when you're 14, you'll watch any idiot for a few minutes if it meant the next show was that crazy plumper chick that sat around naked, showing her bush to the camera and complaining about how garbage her life was.

...I know, I know...
 
2013-04-05 08:49:22 PM  

Fade2black: Generation_D: I was sitting in my apt a block off Broadway Ave in Seattle, using the internet to my school's dialup.

Heard about it on IRC.

Went outside, up to Broadway Ave, and found about double the normal amount of sullen sad suburban teens walking around looking lost, wearing their best flannel.

A few days later I overheard two teen girls say outloud that they hoped they could find "a Kurt Cobain sweater" at the Buffalo Exchange clothes store.

And then the giant clusterfk at the Seattle Center fountain, you've all seen that thing. Courtney raging, everyone suddenly feeling like it was her fault. That nutcase that *really* thought it was her fault, got on cable access for years pushing his theories.

Fun C/S/B. So I lived in the neighborhood that Cobain's followers considered their spiritual home, Seattle Capitol Hill/Belltown, we were the center of the "Seattle Alternative Scene" or at least where most of the trendy followers were. The street was the center everyone drove to to just walk around and soak up the vibe in the days after he died. Broadway was full of sad lil grunger teens from all the burbs.

And a year later, I was living in Upper Haight San Francisco when Jerry Garcia died, and I got to see it all over again.

The joke was if you were a worshipped rock icon you did not want me living in your fans main social hub neighborhood, cause it meant you'd be dead soon.

c/s/b

Kurt Cobain was Murdered.  Public access.  I only remember because when you're 14, you'll watch any idiot for a few minutes if it meant the next show was that crazy plumper chick that sat around naked, showing her bush to the camera and complaining about how garbage her life was.

...I know, I know...


Goddess Kringen... or so I've heard.

/was working at the Center, ground zero for impromptu day of gathering. I was only really surprised he did it so soon, but figured that he wasn't going to get old.
 
2013-04-05 09:32:24 PM  
Kathleen Hanna is still alive.

You can easily argue she's been more influential than Cobain in multiple fields: art, fashion, music, feminism, journalism, current blog culture...

In fact, she even was a driving influence behind Nirvana.

And she's not a pathetic drug-addicted loser who killed herself.

Team Hanna
 
2013-04-05 09:43:17 PM  

bobbette: Kathleen Hanna is still alive.

You can easily argue she's been more influential than Cobain in multiple fields: art, fashion, music, feminism, journalism, current blog culture...

In fact, she even was a driving influence behind Nirvana.

And she's not a pathetic drug-addicted loser who killed herself.

Team Hanna


Ah, Kathleen Hanna. The "walking soundbite".
 
2013-04-05 09:56:20 PM  

bobbette: Kathleen Hanna is still alive.

You can easily argue she's been more influential than Cobain in multiple fields: art, fashion, music, feminism, journalism, current blog culture...

In fact, she even was a driving influence behind Nirvana.

And she's not a pathetic drug-addicted loser who killed herself.

Team Hanna


I pop back in for sh*ts and grins and now need Bikini Kill?

That'll work.  Cheers!
 
2013-04-05 10:01:09 PM  
I was just 2 months away from my 37th birthday. The news was devastating.

Just kidding.
 
2013-04-05 11:05:02 PM  
The next day was weird. All the guys in class were kinda sullen and the girls didn't get it. Grade school, mannnn.
 
2013-04-05 11:06:59 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.


Pretty sure Lennon was already a Legend before he died.
 
2013-04-06 12:51:14 AM  
I'd just like to point out that Kurt may not have committed suicide.
 
2013-04-06 12:53:36 AM  

Beeblebrox: rooftop235: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 183x275]

The lyrics to ICP's "Terrible" come to mind.
The whole world was crying when Kurt's gun went BANG!
When Eazy-E died though, it wasn't no thang
Rapper dies of A.I.D.S. but you hardly mention
Rocker blows his face off and becomes a legend
Heroin and a shotgun, a hero is made
Maybe I should do that shiat so J can get paid

It's never a good time for ICP lyrics unless it's about magnets.


It's not even an apt comparison. Cobain was the center of Nirvana. Eazy was the moneyman for NWA and would spit lines somebody else wrote.
 
2013-04-06 02:05:52 AM  
Agreed - Both overrated and owing more than most will admit to their collaborators.
 
2013-04-06 08:03:03 AM  
I was in boot camp, it was my birthday, and I was thinking how could this suck any worse. Then somebody told me Kurt killed himself. Fantastic.
 
2013-04-07 12:53:48 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: FirstNationalBastard: And, like Lennon, dying young made him into more of a legend than if he had lived.

Unlike Lennon, Cobain benefitted disproportionately compared to his level of talent.  Nirvana had one great album, one middling album, and one album no one listened to until after he offed himself.

Kurt Cobain was good at feeling sorry for himself and doing drugs to feel better.  Then he had a kid and instead of getting help he shot himself and left her to Courtney Love, which is just about the most despicable thing you can do to a child.

As opposed to Lennon, who by his own words regularly beat the women he was with.

Comparing Cobain to Lennon is an insult to Cobain.


I think you have that backwards. At least Lennon had talent.

/did a fist pump when Kurt Nobrain died
 
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