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2013-04-05 02:00:49 PM  
3 votes:
CygnusDarius: The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.


What about the lamentations of their women?  Can't really call it a war without some good lamentations now, can you?  Sheesh.  Nobody respects the traditional values any more.
2013-04-05 03:23:37 PM  
2 votes:

DeathCipris: Lemme hit you with some knowledge, wars are expensive...very, very expensive. Unless you want to be thrown right back into the economic dark ages that we are finally starting to get out of, I'd avoid another war.


*sigh*

There are so many things wrong with that sentence, which is especially disappointing since I agree with the idea.

The "Economic Dark Ages" is such a laughable term, it further casts doubt upon your premise. Further, the idea that military spending puts the economy in that position is even funnier. Consider the same point without all the hyperbole. We don't need to go into North Korea because the cost of lives and equipment is too high. No need for hysterics.
2013-04-05 03:14:05 PM  
2 votes:

the lord god: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: .

If Fatty Jumbo Twinkies does something, what are we supposed to do?

Uphold our treaty obligations. Nothing more nothing less.


Exactly. I'm not interested in another war when we're not quite finished with the last two we had, but if he does something, we're obligated to react... so it makes no sense to get all upset that people actually imagine it happening. Its like getting mad at people preparing for a natural disaster because it will cause an earthquake/tornado/hurricane.
2013-04-05 03:11:12 PM  
2 votes:

jonjr215: This is called rhetoric. I, for one, am not very nervous about this. The North Korean people are brainwashed and believe they have the strongest military in the world. But their leaders know better. Kim Jon-un is playing rough, in my opinion, primarily to win favor with his own people. He's building his brand. He and his father have always behaved this way. The difference is that he's taking it farther than ever before, which is why everyone is so nervous.

Crazy or not, at the end of the day, he knows that the consequences of launching a nuclear strike would be something from which his poor country could never recover, and more importantly, he knows that his rule over the land would end. That fear alone should be enough to cause him to back down before this conflict comes to blows.


Well, somewhat dangerously for him, if he plays it too crazy, SK might just risk Seoul to be finally rid of the Kims. Their tech/resource advantage may never be stronger than now, and in a war it's a question of how expensive a victory will be rather than if they'll win. They may never get a better chance than now.

France came to regret not smacking Hitler down in the late 1930s.
2013-04-05 02:57:20 PM  
2 votes:

DeathCipris: the lord god: DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.

Oh grow up or go outside and let the adults handle this.

Or how bout I am the only adult here that seems to know history and realize that this is a tremendously BAD idea.


No you aren't. You would prefer to hide your head in the sand and avoid the real world. He's a crazy dictator threatening countries with nuclear weapons. This isn't Iraq (an unjustified invasion), or the freaking Third Reich (i.e. WORLD WAR II). Nobody is making a move until Un does first.

And honestly the rest of the world is tired of his shiat. Yes some people want him to act, not because they love seeing violence and death, but because he needs to be removed. The whole regime does. He is a threat to international peace.

Now go back to the sandbox.
2013-04-05 02:57:07 PM  
2 votes:

DeathCipris: Treygreen13: DeathCipris: the lord god: DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.

Oh grow up or go outside and let the adults handle this.

Or how bout I am the only adult here that seems to know history and realize that this is a tremendously BAD idea.
Why don't you go back to playing Call of Duty?

Any argument that begins with "I'm an adult!" is not a good one.

Agreed.


I'm talking to both of you.
2013-04-05 02:53:01 PM  
2 votes:

DeathCipris: the lord god: DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.

Oh grow up or go outside and let the adults handle this.

Or how bout I am the only adult here that seems to know history and realize that this is a tremendously BAD idea.
Why don't you go back to playing Call of Duty?


Any argument that begins with "I'm an adult!" is not a good one.
2013-04-05 02:08:05 PM  
2 votes:

CygnusDarius: slartiblartfast: Unfortunately, we don't have the nerve to truly win a war. Everything has become political: the world is watching. To win a war, we must go biblical. Crush the enemy's armies, scatter his people, and erase his name from the history books. That's how you win a war.

The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.

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They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give themselves to me.
Like clay I shall mold them and in the furnace of war I shall forge them.
They will be of iron will and steely muscle.
In great armor shall I clad them and with the mightiest gun shall they be armed.
They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them.
They will have tactics, strategies and machines such that no foe will best them in battle.
They are my bulwark against the terror.
They are the defenders of Humanity.
They are my Space Marines...
...and they shall know no fear.'
2013-04-05 01:57:19 PM  
2 votes:
pdrake  -  I heard they are bringing in shrinks now wondering if he has a similar condition going on over there as what Happened in Waco Texas or Guyana. At what point does a leader who is an anointed god with millions of followers who do what he says or they die... go off the deep end. An apocalypse or war or something becomes a self fulfilling prophesy...


He is David Koresh or Jim Jones except as a head of state...
2013-04-05 01:41:37 PM  
2 votes:

mr lawson: That is the only rational reason for this line of aggression.
The big question is "Is Un rational?"
Nobody knows.


That's a more complicated question than for most other world leaders.  Is he as rational as rational as an ordinarily well informed world leader should be?  Almost certainly not.  Is he as rational as a 27 year old man of average intelligence could be expected to be?  Probably.  But keep in mind that I'd guess the average age of a Farker is somewhere around 27, and the average intelligence of this forum is something above that of the rest of the United States, to say nothing of the world at large.  So being generous, you might expect Jong-Un to behave on par with a run-of-the-mill person in this thread.  Tell me  that doesn't scare the crap out of you.
2013-04-05 01:38:20 PM  
2 votes:

slartiblartfast: Unfortunately, we don't have the nerve to truly win a war. Everything has become political: the world is watching. To win a war, we must go biblical. Crush the enemy's armies, scatter his people, and erase his name from the history books. That's how you win a war.

The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
2013-04-05 01:35:30 PM  
2 votes:

B.L.Z. Bub: CygnusDarius: I know NK has a shiat-based economy and no real standing army (or at least a fully equipped/fed/motivated one), but, what if they have spent all their resources, and I mean all of them, to the development of decent nukes? I know it's a far stretch, but if I have experience in one thing, is that when people like Un are in full bravado, it's because they're nuts, or that they have something that can be potentially dangerous.

I don't think (most) dictators are actually nuts, and I include this one. It's an act they have to put on to keep the other countries on their toes (not to mention any would-be rebels). Deep down they have some shred of rationality. They do shiat like this to get something from the countries that have real power (or just so they can look tough and in charge to their people), but they don't intend to actually start a war because they know it would be suicide.


Reminds me a bit of how the German government disregarded international sanctions of the time, and churned up the German war machine up to eleven in between WW1 and WW2. The only difference between Germany then and NK now, is that it seems NK has no discernible war industry. It seems, tho.
2013-04-05 01:22:02 PM  
2 votes:

Lost Thought 00: Which probably scares NK more than anything else


well it SHOULD scare him...but I don't think it does...that's the problem.
/remember Un is only 26 years old. He is a kid
2013-04-05 01:19:03 PM  
2 votes:

Forced Perspective: Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."


You're not allowed to just bomb the shait out of other countries and go home anymore.  Then you're just a bully.  You have to "nation build" and help your former enemy back on his feet.  I've always said what we should have done in Afghanistan in 2001 is bombed the shait out of it, rolled in, viciously hunted down some of the more prominent Al-Qaeda cells, snapped the Taliban government like a twig, told whoever was left standing (and the rest of the world) that if something like 9/11 happened again, they'd get it worse, and then have gone home.  no nation building, no foreign aid, just a reminder that farking with Uncle Sugar gets your ass beat.
2013-04-05 01:15:56 PM  
2 votes:

Professor Farksworth: [i.imgur.com image 611x263]

Is it too early for this?


Possibly too late.
2013-04-05 01:14:36 PM  
2 votes:

Forced Perspective: Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."


Short Answer: Because China
2013-04-05 12:10:31 PM  
2 votes:
Okay, see...Here's my problem and why I'm now officially nervous.

The NKs are telling everyone to get their embassy people out before the 10th of April.

That denotes a count down of some sort.  Are they setting up a missile launch at some hidden base?

And I've dismissed the idea of there being a chance of a transported bomb out of NK, but...I may be changing my mind on that.

This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.
2013-04-05 11:56:00 AM  
2 votes:
Ok, Un it's time to shiat or get off the pot. I don't want you to shiat, but this is getting absurd. The rest of the world has called your hand, so now you need to show it or fold. You have no one on your side.

spinoff.comicbookresources.com

You're missing the point! There's no throne, there is no version of this where you come out on top. Maybe your army comes and maybe it's too much for us [lol] but it's all on you. Because if we can't protect our allies, you can be damn sure we'll avenge them!
2013-04-05 09:49:56 PM  
1 vote:

THoey: So, I guess what you all are saying is that I picked the wrong time to finally go see my wife's native South Korea? Our flight lands on the afternoon of the 10th...


Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs...

i49.tinypic.com
2013-04-05 06:45:08 PM  
1 vote:

Stargazr10: Best Korea has 70 subs??


They are really just boats that sank, but Dear Leader assures us that when he gives the attack order, they will join the glorious cause.

Also, I've been thinking about that Best Korea nuclear attack plan map that got leaked the other day, showing a plan to hit San Diego, Austin, TX, and DC.   Is it possible it was just a map of where to get take out from?
2013-04-05 03:41:37 PM  
1 vote:

BigNumber12: It's pretty wild to hear this side of NK's government. It's so... reasonable. Bordering on "helpful."


I think perhaps it because the phrasing was filtered through the Brit diplomats.  It may have started something like "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out," and been reported as "the North Koreans offered valuable information and assistance for our evacuation."
2013-04-05 03:35:24 PM  
1 vote:

DeathCipris: Wow, way to go insulting me with more kiddie name-calling crap. Real mature there...


DeathCipris: And if you want a decent debate, you should avoid name calling. It weakens your position.


You're going to need to point out where I called you a name.

I accused you of hiding your head in the sand, which you are (not literally of course, it's a figurative term).

And then I told you to back to the sandbox, where you could continue to hide your head (again, figuratively).
2013-04-05 03:30:33 PM  
1 vote:

DeathCipris: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: the lord god: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: .

If Fatty Jumbo Twinkies does something, what are we supposed to do?

Uphold our treaty obligations. Nothing more nothing less.

Exactly. I'm not interested in another war when we're not quite finished with the last two we had, but if he does something, we're obligated to react... so it makes no sense to get all upset that people actually imagine it happening. Its like getting mad at people preparing for a natural disaster because it will cause an earthquake/tornado/hurricane.

Being prepared is one thing. I am all for preparation, but relishing having to go over to Korea and waste American/SK lives is disturbing. If we have to go (and we just may due to treaty obligations as previously stated), it isn't something to be jubilant about. That was the reason for my initial statement. A lot of posters here don't seem to realize the overarching effects something like this would have on the US/Global economy, the loss of life on either side of the conflict, and the looming risk of nuclear war should Un get desperate.


Are you new here? Its the internet and this is Fark, you might need to lighten up. You think he has a serviceable nuke? You think that he could sustain a war against SK, US, Chinese AND Russians, along with whatever the UN would scare up? Even Zombie Fidel Castro is unimpressed with Fatty Pants' antics, but you some how think that we're under estimating the dangers of a war after we just spent a decade fighting two? You think you're the only person with a comprehension of what war means to our nation and the world? That's a lot of ego you're sporting. As if the rest of us have never thought initiating a conflict would be a bad idea? OK, superspechul, you're the only one.

Tell me more about your distress over our lack of aversion to stepping in when this jackwagon does something!
2013-04-05 03:27:31 PM  
1 vote:

the lord god: History also shows isolationism to be a very bad idea for a global superpower.


Pfft.. works all the time in my Civ games!
2013-04-05 03:15:38 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: DeathCipris: the lord god: DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.

Oh grow up or go outside and let the adults handle this.

Or how bout I am the only adult here that seems to know history and realize that this is a tremendously BAD idea.

No you aren't. You would prefer to hide your head in the sand and avoid the real world. He's a crazy dictator threatening countries with nuclear weapons. This isn't Iraq (an unjustified invasion), or the freaking Third Reich (i.e. WORLD WAR II). Nobody is making a move until Un does first.

And honestly the rest of the world is tired of his shiat. Yes some people want him to act, not because they love seeing violence and death, but because he needs to be removed. The whole regime does. He is a threat to international peace.

Now go back to the sandbox.


Wow, way to go insulting me with more kiddie name-calling crap. Real mature there...

Lemme hit you with some knowledge, wars are expensive...very, very expensive. Unless you want to be thrown right back into the economic dark ages that we are finally starting to get out of, I'd avoid another war.
Un is bad, no argument there. Your line "Yes some people want him to act, not because they love seeing violence and death, but because he needs to be removed." is irrational. People wanting to see him move (and be removed) by taking military action, but profess to not love violence and death is asinine. His action will be to spark another war with the US. I was using the Third Reich as an example of a highly brainwashed populace and the sheer will the people had to defend against a foreign invader. If there was an invasion the urban fighting would be absolutely  brutal. The NK people have been trained to fear and hate the US. I don't want thousands of American soldiers coming home in body bags because of this moron. If he is such a damn international threat, then let the Chinese handle him. We need to stay the hell out of this.

And if you want a decent debate, you should avoid name calling. It weakens your position.
2013-04-05 03:07:41 PM  
1 vote:

stir22: DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.

yep.  if war does happen, they will fight to the death.  thousands of US troops will die.  I have relatives and a very close friend within 8 miles of the DMZ.

the lord god: DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.

Oh grow up or go outside and let the adults handle this.

pretty easy to be tough on they keyboard, 'eh?  i wonder what your rhetoric would be if you were in harms way.


So, what is to be done if Fatty Swiss Cake Rolls does something beyond talk with his mouth full?
2013-04-05 02:48:15 PM  
1 vote:

DeathCipris: This thread is sickening...

Does ANYONE remember what happened in Iraq, or more aptly, Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich? I don't want to see American service men and women dead because fatty-ding dongs wants to play Risk. The NK population is brainwashed and enslaved by this regime. They will fight back to the bitter end, just like the Nazis did during the Battle of Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

I certainly don't want yet ANOTHER war we have to pay for and more dead troops.


Oh grow up or go outside and let the adults handle this.
2013-04-05 02:29:00 PM  
1 vote:

jonjr215: I don't wish for the North Korean people to pay the penalty for the stupidity of their leader, but at some point, the international community has to say, "Enough is enough."


They've already said that. Because of Un, the rest of the world is tired of their shiat. This won't be a simple case of "Ohhh I was just kidding guys, send some relief please?!" and everything goes back to normal. He's threatened numerous countries with nukes, you don't do that and just get a slap on the wrist.

I imagine if he does decide to back down, it'll come with the full dismantling of anything that can be seen as a threat to other countries, including nuclear program, rocket program, etc.
2013-04-05 02:25:22 PM  
1 vote:
stuffershack.com
...crush your enemies - See them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women
2013-04-05 02:24:03 PM  
1 vote:
This is called rhetoric.  I, for one, am not very nervous about this.  The North Korean people are brainwashed and believe they have the strongest military in the world.  But their leaders know better.  Kim Jon-un is playing rough, in my opinion, primarily to win favor with his own people.  He's building his brand.  He and his father have always behaved this way.  The difference is that he's taking it farther than ever before, which is why everyone is so nervous.

Crazy or not, at the end of the day, he knows that the consequences of launching a nuclear strike would be something from which his poor country could never recover, and more importantly, he knows that his rule over the land would end. That fear alone should be enough to cause him to back down before this conflict comes to blows.

I preedict that he will back down and then say to the UN, "See, once again, North Korea has made efforts to ease the conflict. Please send us money to feed our people."

I don't wish for the North Korean people to pay the penalty for the stupidity of their leader, but at some point, the international community has to say, "Enough is enough."  I think the only way to change NK without bombing it into the stone ages is to employ economic sanctions so painful that the North Korean people finally wake up and turn on their own government.  The North Korean military needs to stage a coup, overthrow the dictatorship, and then beg the world for humanitarian aid.
2013-04-05 02:20:48 PM  
1 vote:
Nuuu:
That's a more complicated question than for most other world leaders.  Is he as rational as rational as an ordinarily well informed world leader should be?  Almost certainly not.  Is he as rational as a 27 year old man of average intelligence could be expected to be?  Probably.  But keep in mind that I'd guess the average age of a Farker is somewhere around 27, and the average intelligence of this forum is something above that of the rest of the United States, to say nothing of the world at large.  So being generous, you might expect Jong-Un to behave on par with a run-of-the-mill person in this thread.  Tell me  that doesn't scare the crap out of you.

Yes, yes it does.  I hope the Chinese have good psychologists and send one to talk with the kid.
Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggie", while feeling around behind you for a large rock.
2013-04-05 02:16:35 PM  
1 vote:

pdrake: i understand the sanctions, but with that much potential you'd think a sane person would want to exploit it and do some good for the people and country. a smart leader and diplomat could work with a world council to end the sanctions and broker an agreement with others with the technology to mine it.

i mean china in itself mines most of it's rare earth for the rest of the world.


China already mines (at least until recently) a lot of minerals from there, but the NK regime puts a lot of restrictions on it (similar to how Venezuela handled their oil reserves). This is pure speculation, but it would not surprise me if the reason China dropped their support of NK is that they feel toppling the current regime would be their quickest path to more mineral access. That access also probably lies behind the US and SK interests in the nation (aside from the whole warmongering part). You can google around for more info, but here's a decent summary of the issues. Link
2013-04-05 02:05:33 PM  
1 vote:
Since Best Korea's missiles can not reach any of the US mainland except parts of Alaska, perhaps they'll target Sarah Palin's house. 
If she has her shotgun ready and is looking the right direction, she might be able to take it out and become a national hero.

Oh, the more I think about this scenario, the more I agree with Thompson on that carrier.
2013-04-05 02:04:04 PM  
1 vote:

Noekken: CygnusDarius: The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.


What about the lamentations of their women?  Can't really call it a war without some good lamentations now, can you?  Sheesh.  Nobody respects the traditional values any more.


I guess we can nudge a little womanly-crying between their eradication from the world's memory and crushing their achievements utterly.
2013-04-05 02:03:52 PM  
1 vote:

Noekken: CygnusDarius: The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.


What about the lamentations of their women?  Can't really call it a war without some good lamentations now, can you?  Sheesh.  Nobody respects the traditional values any more.


I think they've had enough lamentations.  As starved as they are I bet they could all find work as supermodels.  They have the bag of antlers figure for it and don't expect to eat much.
2013-04-05 01:57:31 PM  
1 vote:
You don't fark with nukes, especially when you're viewed as a raving lunatic to the entire rest of the world.

Exactly. If he's going to launch one, he'd better launch them all because all those Tomahawks sitting off the coast will take out every military facility in the country.
2013-04-05 01:55:45 PM  
1 vote:

Forced Perspective: Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."

We can avoid rebuilding if we wanted to.



A cobalt bomb renders an entire area uninhabitable for long enough that re-building isn't an option. It's not a good solution but it is a solution.
2013-04-05 01:54:42 PM  
1 vote:

orclover: I think about the only thing they could do worth spit on April 10th is to launch the biggest nuke they have right at japan and have it detonate right offshore from Fukushima.  Just far enough so that it doesn't actually hurt anything but everybodies eyes and ear drums.  Let the radiation settle in with the rest of the radiation and just piss the hell off everybody in Japan.  I think it would be the only way they could "nuke" somebody and not subsequently get invaded.


If they fired a nuke ANYWHERE near another country, they would be destroyed. Even if it just caused one baby to start crying, it would be seen as an act of agression.

You don't fark with nukes, especially when you're viewed as a raving lunatic to the entire rest of the world.
2013-04-05 01:50:52 PM  
1 vote:

p4p3rm4t3: Link
This is an interesting article. The second comment on it is even more interesting (if true).


That is an interesting article.  I just can't figure out what in the hell North Korea hopes it could gain by pushing the peninsula towards war, much less by a civilian terrorist attack.  There is absolutely no upside in this for them that I can see.

Which is a frightening observation in itself, of course, because it's hard to see any rational thought behind what's going on there.
2013-04-05 01:43:42 PM  
1 vote:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
2013-04-05 01:40:10 PM  
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neongoats: Professor Farksworth: [i.imgur.com image 611x263]

Is it too early for this?

I'm so farking sick of seeing shops of that picture. Every god damned NK thread.


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2013-04-05 01:32:04 PM  
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Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.


What (sadly) has me concerned:   If NK DOES go and do something stupid on the 10th, I can already hear the Tea Hadists trying to scare up a conspiracy with President Obama's budget release being that same day.   Someone will make that connection, right?

*sigh*
2013-04-05 01:29:45 PM  
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Is it too early for this?

For a reverse home mortgage? It's never too early.
2013-04-05 01:28:29 PM  
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Evil Mackerel: Wake me when the Russian navy shows up to directly blockade Best Korea.


It's going to take the Russians another century over the ass beating the Japanese handled them at Tsushima.  Right now they still wet themselves in terror at the idea of going anywhere near Korea.
2013-04-05 01:27:51 PM  
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dallylamma: I like the theory that the Norks, or at least a faction of them that has some sway, are trying to use a war as an end-around to reunification with the South.

The South and China have no desire to take on millions of refugees and billions in modernization costs that would be associated with peacful reunification (way worse than what West Germany had to deal with)...so maybe the Norks are trying to force it.


That is the only rational reason for this line of aggression.
The big question is "Is Un rational?"
Nobody knows.
2013-04-05 01:26:37 PM  
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When April 10 comes and goes with nothing happening, Un gets to tell his people that he stared the SK and US devils in the eye and backed them right down from their plan of agression. Hero.
2013-04-05 01:25:36 PM  
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I know NK has a shiat-based economy and no real standing army (or at least a fully equipped/fed/motivated one), but, what if they have spent all their resources, and I mean all of them, to the development of decent nukes? I know it's a far stretch, but if I have experience in one thing, is that when people like Un are in full bravado, it's because they're nuts, or that they have something that can be potentially dangerous.
2013-04-05 01:23:09 PM  
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I like the theory that the Norks, or at least a faction of them that has some sway, are trying to use a war as an end-around to reunification with the South.

The South and China have no desire to take on millions of refugees and billions in modernization costs that would be associated with peacful reunification (way worse than what West Germany had to deal with)...so maybe the Norks are trying to force it.
2013-04-05 01:18:03 PM  
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Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.


They have a scheduled missile test during that time frame. US and allies will track the missile trajectories, but will only intervene if it poses a threat to anything other than whales. Just like every other one of their missile tests
2013-04-05 01:17:31 PM  
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Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.


Why worry?  On 3 April, Un released some kind of statement about bombing America within the next 24 to 48 hours.  We're all still here midway through 5 April.  So now he's claiming 10 April, because the Norks like doing stuff on the 9th of the money.  After that comes 15 April since that is Il sung's birthday.  We'll just keep getting more and more hollow threats from them.

The South Koreans called it best when they said they expect some kind of minor incident in the near future, like North Korea launching artillery shells at a small island  ROK or something.  If Un really is crazy enough to start a war, I'd rather find out now when our missile defense systems are five or six generations ahead of the POS Nork missiles.  Better than giving Un 20 years in power to modernize his missile command and find out he's crazy enough to hit the big red button.  As it stands he has no missile system that can deliver a nuke (or so the intel agencies claim), so we might as well let him attention whore and make sure he really isn't dumb/crazy enough to press the button.

/plus China is pissed at North Korea, so a war has to happen this isn't the worst time to finish it
//going go to suck for a lot of Koreans though if Un really is that crazy, hopefully he isn't
2013-04-05 01:15:39 PM  
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Professor Farksworth: [i.imgur.com image 611x263]

Is it too early for this?


I'm so farking sick of seeing shops of that picture. Every god damned NK thread.
2013-04-05 01:13:17 PM  
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Infernalist: Okay, see...Here's my problem and why I'm now officially nervous.

The NKs are telling everyone to get their embassy people out before the 10th of April.

That denotes a count down of some sort.  Are they setting up a missile launch at some hidden base?

And I've dismissed the idea of there being a chance of a transported bomb out of NK, but...I may be changing my mind on that.

This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.


WTF would be the point? Kim, Fatty Ass, is just trying to assert his authority to his people with this crap. I actually hope he tries (unsuccessfully) to launch a missile at us or our allies. We could rightfully liberate the NK people of this horrid regime.
2013-04-05 01:11:01 PM  
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Infernalist: Okay, see...Here's my problem and why I'm now officially nervous.

The NKs are telling everyone to get their embassy people out before the 10th of April.

That denotes a count down of some sort.  Are they setting up a missile launch at some hidden base?

And I've dismissed the idea of there being a chance of a transported bomb out of NK, but...I may be changing my mind on that.

This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.


They're just trying to get those countries to lean on the US and S. Korea to make some sort of concession.  What I'm not sure, but that's my opinion.  When April 10 rolls around and nothing happens, the Norks will wave it off as them being "magnanimous", and they'll set a new date.
2013-04-05 01:10:07 PM  
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Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.


We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."
2013-04-05 01:09:07 PM  
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I SAID THROW DOWN, BOY!
 
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