Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."

Forced Perspective: Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.

B-b-but pottery barn rule!!!

/Thanks a lot, Colin Powell

Silly Humans...

Infernalist: Okay, see...Here's my problem and why I'm now officially nervous.

The NKs are telling everyone to get their embassy people out before the 10th of April.

That denotes a count down of some sort.  Are they setting up a missile launch at some hidden base?

And I've dismissed the idea of there being a chance of a transported bomb out of NK, but...I may be changing my mind on that.

This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

WTF would be the point? Kim, Fatty Ass, is just trying to assert his authority to his people with this crap. I actually hope he tries (unsuccessfully) to launch a missile at us or our allies. We could rightfully liberate the NK people of this horrid regime.

April 10th means we can still squeeze in the fark party in NOLA.

With as many threads we're having, can we start getting that summary at the top again?

Is it too early for this?

Forced Perspective: Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."

Short Answer: Because China

Professor Farksworth: [i.imgur.com image 611x263]

Is it too early for this?

I'm so farking sick of seeing shops of that picture. Every god damned NK thread.

Professor Farksworth: [i.imgur.com image 611x263]

Is it too early for this?

Possibly too late.

neongoats: Professor Farksworth: [i.imgur.com image 611x263]

Is it too early for this?

I'm so farking sick of seeing shops of that picture. Every god damned NK thread.

That's why I figured I'd get it out of the way quickly. Now we can move on.

So they're gonna bomb us on April 10th? Remind me to be scared that day.

Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

Why worry?  On 3 April, Un released some kind of statement about bombing America within the next 24 to 48 hours.  We're all still here midway through 5 April.  So now he's claiming 10 April, because the Norks like doing stuff on the 9th of the money.  After that comes 15 April since that is Il sung's birthday.  We'll just keep getting more and more hollow threats from them.

The South Koreans called it best when they said they expect some kind of minor incident in the near future, like North Korea launching artillery shells at a small island  ROK or something.  If Un really is crazy enough to start a war, I'd rather find out now when our missile defense systems are five or six generations ahead of the POS Nork missiles.  Better than giving Un 20 years in power to modernize his missile command and find out he's crazy enough to hit the big red button.  As it stands he has no missile system that can deliver a nuke (or so the intel agencies claim), so we might as well let him attention whore and make sure he really isn't dumb/crazy enough to press the button.

/plus China is pissed at North Korea, so a war has to happen this isn't the worst time to finish it
//going go to suck for a lot of Koreans though if Un really is that crazy, hopefully he isn't

Lost Thought 00: Short Answer: Because China

don't think china really cares anymore.

Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

They have a scheduled missile test during that time frame. US and allies will track the missile trajectories, but will only intervene if it poses a threat to anything other than whales. Just like every other one of their missile tests

mr lawson: Lost Thought 00: Short Answer: Because China

don't think china really cares anymore.

Which probably scares NK more than anything else

*SIGH*

Fatty Dingdongs is really fat and he's really agitated. He makes me nervous because I have yogurt with almonds and he might sit on me to get it.

Wake me when the Russian navy shows up to directly blockade Best Korea.

Lost Thought 00: Which probably scares NK more than anything else

well it SHOULD scare him...but I don't think it does...that's the problem.
/remember Un is only 26 years old. He is a kid

devildog123: Forced Perspective: Infernalist: This whole 'April 10th' thing has me a bit concerned.

We're still, legally, in a state of war with North Korea.  They have now threatened our interests.  Why aren't we launching bombing raids now to completely decapitate their command and control?  The lesson of the past decade is that nation-building is hard, but we don't have to do that; bombing their infrastructure (lol) and going home should be more than enough.  Hell, we can even offer sweet buyout packages for North Korean nuclear "scientists."

You're not allowed to just bomb the shait out of other countries and go home anymore.  Then you're just a bully.  You have to "nation build" and help your former enemy back on his feet.  I've always said what we should have done in Afghanistan in 2001 is bombed the shait out of it, rolled in, viciously hunted down some of the more prominent Al-Qaeda cells, snapped the Taliban government like a twig, told whoever was left standing (and the rest of the world) that if something like 9/11 happened again, they'd get it worse, and then have gone home.  no nation building, no foreign aid, just a reminder that farking with Uncle Sugar gets your ass beat.

It would have been cheaper too.

I like the theory that the Norks, or at least a faction of them that has some sway, are trying to use a war as an end-around to reunification with the South.

The South and China have no desire to take on millions of refugees and billions in modernization costs that would be associated with peacful reunification (way worse than what West Germany had to deal with)...so maybe the Norks are trying to force it.

mr lawson: Lost Thought 00: Short Answer: Because China

don't think china really cares anymore.

Yep NK has officially become China's beligerent drunk friend.  You get there back the first 2-3 times, then after that you kind of want to see them get their asses kicked.

I know NK has a shiat-based economy and no real standing army (or at least a fully equipped/fed/motivated one), but, what if they have spent all their resources, and I mean all of them, to the development of decent nukes? I know it's a far stretch, but if I have experience in one thing, is that when people like Un are in full bravado, it's because they're nuts, or that they have something that can be potentially dangerous.

When April 10 comes and goes with nothing happening, Un gets to tell his people that he stared the SK and US devils in the eye and backed them right down from their plan of agression. Hero.

dallylamma: I like the theory that the Norks, or at least a faction of them that has some sway, are trying to use a war as an end-around to reunification with the South.

The South and China have no desire to take on millions of refugees and billions in modernization costs that would be associated with peacful reunification (way worse than what West Germany had to deal with)...so maybe the Norks are trying to force it.

That is the only rational reason for this line of aggression.
The big question is "Is Un rational?"
Nobody knows.

Evil Mackerel: Wake me when the Russian navy shows up to directly blockade Best Korea.

It's going to take the Russians another century over the ass beating the Japanese handled them at Tsushima.  Right now they still wet themselves in terror at the idea of going anywhere near Korea.

Is it too early for this?

For a reverse home mortgage? It's never too early.

CygnusDarius: I know NK has a shiat-based economy and no real standing army (or at least a fully equipped/fed/motivated one), but, what if they have spent all their resources, and I mean all of them, to the development of decent nukes? I know it's a far stretch, but if I have experience in one thing, is that when people like Un are in full bravado, it's because they're nuts, or that they have something that can be potentially dangerous.

I don't think (most) dictators are actually nuts, and I include this one. It's an act they have to put on to keep the other countries on their toes (not to mention any would-be rebels). Deep down they have some shred of rationality. They do shiat like this to get something from the countries that have real power (or just so they can look tough and in charge to their people), but they don't intend to actually start a war because they know it would be suicide.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting sick of this shiat. He's not going to do anything, we KNOW he's not going to do anything.

Yawn.

I'm going to fark off now. Don't wake me up unless War Were Declared.

Unfortunately, we don't have the nerve to truly win a war. Everything has become political: the world is watching. To win a war, we must go biblical. Crush the enemy's armies, scatter his people, and erase his name from the history books. That's how you win a war.

B.L.Z. Bub: CygnusDarius: I know NK has a shiat-based economy and no real standing army (or at least a fully equipped/fed/motivated one), but, what if they have spent all their resources, and I mean all of them, to the development of decent nukes? I know it's a far stretch, but if I have experience in one thing, is that when people like Un are in full bravado, it's because they're nuts, or that they have something that can be potentially dangerous.

I don't think (most) dictators are actually nuts, and I include this one. It's an act they have to put on to keep the other countries on their toes (not to mention any would-be rebels). Deep down they have some shred of rationality. They do shiat like this to get something from the countries that have real power (or just so they can look tough and in charge to their people), but they don't intend to actually start a war because they know it would be suicide.

Reminds me a bit of how the German government disregarded international sanctions of the time, and churned up the German war machine up to eleven in between WW1 and WW2. The only difference between Germany then and NK now, is that it seems NK has no discernible war industry. It seems, tho.

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This is an interesting article. The second comment on it is even more interesting (if true).

North Korea tells Brit diplomats to get out - then sets chilling April 10 deadline

Crackpot Kim Jong-un's regime today issued a chilling threat to British diplomats warning them to get out of Pyongyang.
Alarmingly the North Korean government said it would not be able to guarantee the safety of embassies from April 10


Let's see... I'll pencil in war for this Wednesday... that sound about right? How does everyones calendar look?

slartiblartfast: Unfortunately, we don't have the nerve to truly win a war. Everything has become political: the world is watching. To win a war, we must go biblical. Crush the enemy's armies, scatter his people, and erase his name from the history books. That's how you win a war.

The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.

I do worry aside of all of this conversation if he and his posse may have simply gone off the deep end.... Its like the JIm Jones cult except with an army of 10 million and an ICBM or two... That is a factor that may be creeping into the Chinese and U.S. dialog in the next few days...

neversubmit: North Korea tells Brit diplomats to get out - then sets chilling April 10 deadline

Crackpot Kim Jong-un's regime today issued a chilling threat to British diplomats warning them to get out of Pyongyang.
Alarmingly the North Korean government said it would not be able to guarantee the safety of embassies from April 10


Let's see... I'll pencil in war for this Wednesday... that sound about right? How does everyones calendar look?

I have plans that evening, so if you could make sure it happens early/midday, that'd be great. My calendar is free early afternoon, too.

mr lawson: That is the only rational reason for this line of aggression.
The big question is "Is Un rational?"
Nobody knows.

That's a more complicated question than for most other world leaders.  Is he as rational as rational as an ordinarily well informed world leader should be?  Almost certainly not.  Is he as rational as a 27 year old man of average intelligence could be expected to be?  Probably.  But keep in mind that I'd guess the average age of a Farker is somewhere around 27, and the average intelligence of this forum is something above that of the rest of the United States, to say nothing of the world at large.  So being generous, you might expect Jong-Un to behave on par with a run-of-the-mill person in this thread.  Tell me  that doesn't scare the crap out of you.