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(Some Guy)   Don't look now, but RAND PAUL is starting to do the exact same things Obama did three years before his first presidential bid   (egbertowillies.com) divider line 157
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2013-04-05 03:10:43 PM  

Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.


You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.
 
2013-04-05 03:16:54 PM  
"I believe in small government staying out of peoples lives....unless a woman wants to make a choice about her body, then fark that ho, she gets gubminted".
 
2013-04-05 03:18:02 PM  

whidbey: No, he's already played the "I'm not racist, I just believe the Civil Rights Act should be repealed because socialism. And if anyone bars people of color from their place of business I swear I will rage I will fight I will derp derp derp derp."


He didn't even go that far, he just said something like "anyone who bans black people from their business will obviously get the smack down from the free market's invisible pimp hand."
 
2013-04-05 03:18:14 PM  

Lawnchair: He's like every adorable 'libertarian-theory-over-practice' guy I know wrapped into one.

I hope he comes back to the "segregation would have ended because of the free-market economics of it" idea.  It's brilliant precisely because it conflicts strongly with the "You know, Rand, segregation actually happened, lasted for a century, and never made 'economic sense' in the first place" line of reasoning.  But, between the two streams of thought, you *know* the libertarian-theorist is always going to take the theoretically pure path over the "this actually happened" path.  This behavior is so predictable that leading such guys off the rails is like shooting fish in a barrel.  Still kinda fun, though.


I recall him making the point that no one in their right mind would try to open a segregated business nowadays; he neglected to point out that part of the reason for that is most of us have grown up in a society without enforced segregation, so the very idea would be foreign to us.  Similarly, the idea of a society without enforced segregation was completely foreign to Southerners prior to '64, so the possibilitiy of them somehow ending it on their own is a bit silly.

In Mississippi, anyone who "printed, typewritten or written matter urging or presenting for public acceptance or general information, arguments or suggestions in favor of social equality or of intermarriage between whites and Negroes, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to fine not exceeding five hundred (500.00) dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six (6) months or both."

A true libertarian would denounce segregation as an abuse of local government, rather than defend it out of contempt for using the Commerce Clause to end it.
 
2013-04-05 03:19:10 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: DamnYankees: Nabb1: Have pretentious fake biographies written by ghost writers?

/I am KIDDING.
//About the "fake" part.

It wasn't written by a ghostwriter, you farking asshole. Everyone knows The Terrorist Bill Ayers wrote that book.

ftfy


Ghost, terrorist, whatever. He's one of those things silly people are often very afraid of.
 
2013-04-05 03:19:53 PM  
Shredding his Kenyan birth certificate?
 
2013-04-05 03:19:53 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Make one of the best and most memorable speeches of my lifetime at his party's convention, propelling him to star status?


I'm glad you brought this up. I'm going to show it to my 9 year old daughter when she gets off the bus in a minute. She will love it.
 
2013-04-05 03:19:53 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-05 03:21:55 PM  

Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.


And in a million years, you will be 1,000,032.

Put down the ballot, grandpa.
 
2013-04-05 03:25:34 PM  

Snarfangel: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

And in a million years, you will be 1,000,032.

Put down the ballot, grandpa.


I just realized my math error. You will be either 1,000,028 or 1,000,029

/Which means you will still be eligible to vote in some states.
 
2013-04-05 03:28:08 PM  

Snarfangel: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

And in a million years, you will be 1,000,032.

Put down the ballot, grandpa.


In five billion years, I will be this guy:

upload.wikimedia.org

And I will STILL be voting Republican!
 
2013-04-05 03:31:31 PM  

Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


There's this little thing called "Google." You should try it sometime.
 
2013-04-05 03:31:36 PM  

Featured Farker: Fathered two Africn American girls?


He's one up on McCain!
 
2013-04-05 03:34:24 PM  
Or he'll just be a perpetual serial candidate like his dad.
 
2013-04-05 03:34:58 PM  

HighOnCraic: A true libertarian would denounce segregation as an abuse of local government, rather than defend it out of contempt for using the Commerce Clause to end it.


Positive actions of government that serve to segregate or discriminate should be a problem for libertarians.
Passivity of government that serves to perpetuate segregation or discrimination...libertarians are fine with that.

Government doesn't help people, stupid. Government exists only to make richer those people that are bootstrappy enough to con their way into it in the first place.
 
2013-04-05 03:40:40 PM  

MrEricSir: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

There's this little thing called "Google." You should try it sometime.


No farking shiat, Sherlock. My point was I'm certain he's wrong in saying Rand Paul supports keeping marijuana illegal.
 
2013-04-05 03:42:46 PM  
I hope this gives Reince Priebus more ulcers.
 
2013-04-05 03:44:19 PM  
Does America REALLY deserve to have an Ayn Rand fanatic for a President, lighting up his Aqua-Buddah bong in the Oval Office, snickering while looking out the window as his goons are out there neck-stomping on his opponents?

graphics8.nytimes.comwww.cnn.com
 
2013-04-05 03:44:32 PM  

Serious Black: MrEricSir: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

There's this little thing called "Google." You should try it sometime.

No farking shiat, Sherlock. My point was I'm certain he's wrong in saying Rand Paul supports keeping marijuana illegal.


Please tell us more about what it's like to be in denial.
 
2013-04-05 03:48:18 PM  
Rand Paul(and his father) is not a Libertarian.

Sorry to burst your bubble of crack.

Libertarian party platform.
http://www.lp.org/platform

/Still not clickable every time I post it, as that helps to keep the morans from going to it and learning about stuff, other than what they FW: fwfwfwfwfwfwfwfwfw.
 
2013-04-05 03:48:20 PM  
Excellent!  Me and my College Libertarian chapter will be plastering street signs and telephone poles with RAND PAUL stickers just as soon as we can get them.  In the meantime, I think spray-painting a few bridges will really get the message out about RAND PAUL!

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-05 03:54:07 PM  

Sybarite: I have yet to see Rand Paul's name across a big pair of boobs.


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2013-04-05 03:54:29 PM  

Serious Black: MrEricSir: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

There's this little thing called "Google." You should try it sometime.

No farking shiat, Sherlock. My point was I'm certain he's wrong in saying Rand Paul supports keeping marijuana illegal.


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Tenn.) spoke in more detail about his position on marijuana on "Fox News Sunday." He does not support legalization, but believes marijuana users should not be sent to prison."The main thing I've said is not to legalize them but not to incarcerate people for extended periods of time," Paul said.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/rand-paul-clarifies-marijuana-posi ti on-dont-legalize-reduce-sentencing-92534/
 
2013-04-05 03:54:50 PM  

Serious Black: MrEricSir: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

There's this little thing called "Google." You should try it sometime.

No farking shiat, Sherlock. My point was I'm certain he's wrong in saying Rand Paul supports keeping marijuana illegal.


You're a moron.
 
2013-04-05 04:01:38 PM  
Don't look now, but RAND PAUL is starting to do the exact same things Obama did three years before his first presidential bid

Technically correct, for certain values of "things".

blog.torgodevil.com
 
2013-04-05 04:02:43 PM  

MrEricSir: Serious Black: MrEricSir: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

There's this little thing called "Google." You should try it sometime.

No farking shiat, Sherlock. My point was I'm certain he's wrong in saying Rand Paul supports keeping marijuana illegal.

Please tell us more about what it's like to be in denial.


"Look, the last two presidents could conceivably have been put in jail for their drug use, and I really think, you know, look what would have happened, it would have ruined their lives. They got lucky, but a lot of poor kids, particularly in the inner city, don't get lucky. They don't have good attorneys, and they go to jail for these things and I think it's a big mistake."

Does that sound like a clarion call for continuing the war on marijuana to you? Sure, it's not necessarily a call for full legalization and treatment like tobacco and alcohol like I would prefer. What else could he be advocating other than decriminalization? Reducing drug sentences? Increasing funding for public defenders?
 
2013-04-05 04:11:11 PM  
I would love for Rand Paul to get the nomination, just so the country could finally see what kind of garbage libertarianism is.
 
2013-04-05 04:20:02 PM  
Relax Boys, Obama not running again. You can now vote for your grandmother and her boyfriend.

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2013-04-05 04:22:34 PM  

Serious Black: What else could he be advocating other than decriminalization? Reducing drug sentences? Increasing funding for public defenders?


That's pretty much what he says in the link I posted.

He has to walk a fine line, because he'll never survive the GOP primaries if he supports full legalization.  His campaign will prbably be a repeat of his father's campaigns in 2008 and 2012.  Regardless, even if Cheech and Chong were president and vice president, there are still enough Republicans in Congress to block legalization, with help from some Democrats.
 
2013-04-05 04:27:40 PM  

HighOnCraic: Serious Black: What else could he be advocating other than decriminalization? Reducing drug sentences? Increasing funding for public defenders?

That's pretty much what he says in the link I posted.

He has to walk a fine line, because he'll never survive the GOP primaries if he supports full legalization.  His campaign will prbably be a repeat of his father's campaigns in 2008 and 2012.  Regardless, even if Cheech and Chong were president and vice president, there are still enough Republicans in Congress to block legalization, with help from some Democrats.


Reducing drug sentences would still be a vast improvement over current policy.
 
2013-04-05 04:32:20 PM  

Serious Black: HighOnCraic: Serious Black: What else could he be advocating other than decriminalization? Reducing drug sentences? Increasing funding for public defenders?

That's pretty much what he says in the link I posted.

He has to walk a fine line, because he'll never survive the GOP primaries if he supports full legalization.  His campaign will prbably be a repeat of his father's campaigns in 2008 and 2012.  Regardless, even if Cheech and Chong were president and vice president, there are still enough Republicans in Congress to block legalization, with help from some Democrats.

Reducing drug sentences would still be a vast improvement over current policy.


I agree, and I'm impressed by all the legislation he's written to advance that cause . . .

Look, I'm pretty much on your side as far as decriminalization goes.  I just don't think Rand Paul is as sincerely on your side as you seem to think he is.

He is not talking about decriminalization.

"The main thing I've said is not to legalize them . . ." see link above.
 
2013-04-05 04:43:06 PM  

HighOnCraic: Serious Black: HighOnCraic: Serious Black: What else could he be advocating other than decriminalization? Reducing drug sentences? Increasing funding for public defenders?

That's pretty much what he says in the link I posted.

He has to walk a fine line, because he'll never survive the GOP primaries if he supports full legalization.  His campaign will prbably be a repeat of his father's campaigns in 2008 and 2012.  Regardless, even if Cheech and Chong were president and vice president, there are still enough Republicans in Congress to block legalization, with help from some Democrats.

Reducing drug sentences would still be a vast improvement over current policy.

I agree, and I'm impressed by all the legislation he's written to advance that cause . . .

Look, I'm pretty much on your side as far as decriminalization goes.  I just don't think Rand Paul is as sincerely on your side as you seem to think he is.

He is not talking about decriminalization.

"The main thing I've said is not to legalize them . . ." see link above.


Sure, he doesn't support my position, but he's closer than the people who still insist that marijuana is more evil than Satan and Hitler put together. I'm okay with improvements in policy and can pragmatically say that some things, while not what I would consider the best solution, are better than what we have now.
 
2013-04-05 04:48:29 PM  

Serious Black: HighOnCraic: Serious Black: HighOnCraic: Serious Black: What else could he be advocating other than decriminalization? Reducing drug sentences? Increasing funding for public defenders?

That's pretty much what he says in the link I posted.

He has to walk a fine line, because he'll never survive the GOP primaries if he supports full legalization.  His campaign will prbably be a repeat of his father's campaigns in 2008 and 2012.  Regardless, even if Cheech and Chong were president and vice president, there are still enough Republicans in Congress to block legalization, with help from some Democrats.

Reducing drug sentences would still be a vast improvement over current policy.

I agree, and I'm impressed by all the legislation he's written to advance that cause . . .

Look, I'm pretty much on your side as far as decriminalization goes.  I just don't think Rand Paul is as sincerely on your side as you seem to think he is.

He is not talking about decriminalization.

"The main thing I've said is not to legalize them . . ." see link above.

Sure, he doesn't support my position, but he's closer than the people who still insist that marijuana is more evil than Satan and Hitler put together. I'm okay with improvements in policy and can pragmatically say that some things, while not what I would consider the best solution, are better than what we have now.


I just don't see the benefit of supporting him based on his half-hearted effort on this one particular issue while overlooking some the derpier ideas that he whole-heartedly supports.  But hey, it's a free country.

/Relatively speaking.
 
2013-04-05 04:52:46 PM  

cashincomedy: Obama wore a bad hairpiece?


No, Rand Paul murdered all the people who know he's secretly gay.
 
2013-04-05 04:54:20 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Excellent!  Me and my College Libertarian chapter will be plastering street signs and telephone poles with RAND PAUL stickers just as soon as we can get them.  In the meantime, I think spray-painting a few bridges will really get the message out about RAND PAUL!

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x426]


I'm investing in bedsheet and shoe polish stock.
 
2013-04-05 05:00:37 PM  

HighOnCraic: I just don't see the benefit of supporting him based on his half-hearted effort on this one particular issue while overlooking some the derpier ideas that he whole-heartedly supports. But hey, it's a free country.


I believe I said in my initial post that I wouldn't vote for him because I find some of his other policy positions to be completely abhorrent.
 
2013-04-05 05:01:59 PM  

Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Citation with video goodness provided. To be fair I think Ol' Randy likes to keep his supporters confused as to what he really supports intentionally.
 
2013-04-05 05:05:41 PM  
This is totally okay because unlike Barack Obama, Rand Paul has proven himself crazy enough to never get elected.
 
2013-04-05 05:15:59 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Citation with video goodness provided. To be fair I think Ol' Randy likes to keep his supporters confused as to what he really supports intentionally.


I hadn't seen that video before. Thanks. And I think a lot of politicians like intentionally confusing people because then they can say they're sitting on both sides of the fence depending on who they're talking to. He can still look tough on crime by advocating for keeping marijuana illegal, and he can look like he wants to end the drug war by ending mandatory minimum sentences.
 
2013-04-05 05:17:36 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Crotchrocket Slim: Serious Black: Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years. Abolishing Social Security and Medicare are completely unacceptable to me.

And for the record, I will be 32 for the next presidential election.

You're also confusing Randy's views on drugs with his father- he agrees weed etc. should stay illegal.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Citation with video goodness provided. To be fair I think Ol' Randy likes to keep his supporters confused as to what he really supports intentionally.


Or maybe he's just taking Mitt Romney's approach and saying whatever he think will garner him the most support.  Which kind of makes sense, given that Republicans appear to see admitting to their mistakes as un-American.
 
2013-04-05 05:24:06 PM  
Oh, did he kill Gandy Baugh again?
 
2013-04-05 06:09:16 PM  
He's definitely more pragmatic than his father. I like the guy.
 
2013-04-05 06:32:07 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Make one of the best and most memorable speeches of my lifetime at his party's convention, propelling him to star status?


Do people really do this? I mean think of politician speeches as "great" or "man, I love me a good speech from a politician." I guess they do because some people were crying while listening to Obama and then yelling stupid shiat like "I won't have to worry about my mortgage anymore!" It is truly baffling to me.
 
2013-04-05 06:48:58 PM  

justinguarini4ever: He's definitely more pragmatic than his father. I like the guy.


Ugh, pragmatism is for folks who don't consider indirect consequences due to a general lack of diligence and follow-through.  Working with pragmatic people is a curse.  They're unsafe, their fixes are unreliable, and they use various ways to disguise their ignorance like "I did it my own way" or "We've always done it this way."
 
2013-04-05 07:25:30 PM  

Dracolich: justinguarini4ever: He's definitely more pragmatic than his father. I like the guy.

Ugh, pragmatism is for folks who don't consider indirect consequences due to a general lack of diligence and follow-through.  Working with pragmatic people is a curse.  They're unsafe, their fixes are unreliable, and they use various ways to disguise their ignorance like "I did it my own way" or "We've always done it this way."


That's pretty much the opposite of pragmatism.  Doing things without thinking them through is exactly what pragmatism is against.  You think things through, you try them out, and in the end, you go with what works, instead of being tied to some sort of dogmatic principle.
 
2013-04-05 07:40:42 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh, did he kill Gandy Baugh again?


He'll keep killing him till the end of time.
 
2013-04-05 08:37:27 PM  

Serious Black: I definitely appreciate Rand Paul's views on the drug war and foreign policy, but I would never vote for him in a million years.


Your aware he still thinks drug should be illegal?
 
2013-04-05 08:39:58 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Citation with video goodness provided. To be fair I think Ol' Randy likes to keep his supporters confused as to what he really supports intentionally.


I know many of his supporters who have no farking idea what he stands for.
 
2013-04-05 08:43:00 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Excellent!  Me and my College Libertarian chapter will be plastering street signs and telephone poles with RAND PAUL stickers just as soon as we can get them.  In the meantime, I think spray-painting a few bridges will really get the message out about RAND PAUL!

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x426]


Yep, I see these all over the place. Rand/Ron Paul fans think they don't need to follow laws if they don't like them.
 
2013-04-05 09:02:08 PM  

FlashHarry: before you get too excited, don't forget that rand paul is batshiat crazy.


He's not nearly as cool as Obama, I know that.

He'll never have a press secretary explain why the Administration won't build the Death Star.
 
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