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2013-04-05 12:14:05 PM
14 votes:

xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people


That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people. It's a kind of personality disorder on par with the gun nuts who stockpile ammo and chem toilets for Ruby Ridge 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I, on the other hand, trust most people with most things. I've often been drinking with people armed to the teeth with knives and firearms while camping. I've even argued with them heatedly. No one's ever even considered pulling a weapon because that's not what civilized people do.

But instead of making better people, we just try to legislate away our problems these days. It's very much something our grandparents would not approve of.
2013-04-05 02:05:58 PM
8 votes:
The Stupid Tag?

Yeah well I gotta a problem with that.  The posters at Fark tend to lean to the left.  So be it.  They also tend to lean to the cruel, uncaring (except about cats in trees rescued by retired firefighters), narrow minded and well I could go on but I won't.

Being able to defend yourself should be a human right.  Not just for Americans but for every citizen of every country.  And let's just put this to rest that this argument is about gun safety.  It isn't and it never has been.  If safety of our devices were the predominate criteria for legal ownership cars would go a maximum of fifteen miles an hour.  The argument is about fear.  Those that fear people with guns and those that fear people will take away a constitutionally protected right.

No person should be defenseless in their own home or on the streets of their own city or country.  Whether they are defending themselves against simple thugs or their own government.  Mandating defenseless citizenry is simply an outmoded archaic type of thinking.  Those that continue it in any form are intellectual dinosaurs.
2013-04-05 01:04:48 PM
8 votes:

sammyk: In the state of Virginia, gun owners are allowed to openly carry a weapon without a permit, and consume alcohol. Servers are usually careful with those carrying firearms when serving alcohol, Leesburg Police Chief Joseph Price said.

"The individual with a firearm can consume alcohol," Price said, "but when you get intoxicated, that becomes a problem."
 Wow, I support the 2nd amendment and I like a drink or 12 every now and then. Mixing the two is just such a bad idea that there are not enough facepalms on the internet to convey the stupidity.


Yet it's completely legal in dozens to states to be fall down drunk and still armed, yet hasn't been any kind of significant problem in the couple hundred years it's been allowed by law.
2013-04-05 01:29:34 PM
5 votes:
Should have earned the HERO tag.

Every day they take more money and more freedom away from us, under the excuse "--it's for your own good!"

Every day we put up with it, because this country is a nation of wussies.

You Farkers loudly defend the use of marijuana, but when it comes to the right of self defense your silence is deafening.

Double standard as usual, or just a yellow belly.
2013-04-05 01:17:34 PM
5 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: doglover: xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people

That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people.

Can't you easily make the same argument for people that feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times?


Absolutely, but they aren't trying to limit what other people do to quiet their terrors. Just modifying their own behavior.
2013-04-05 10:39:11 AM
5 votes:
10% discount on "New Orleans style food"? I'm in. People open carrying scare me not in the least. And, I'd guess the restaurant would not make an attractive robbery target.
2013-04-05 02:01:18 PM
4 votes:

xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?


My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.
2013-04-05 01:34:35 PM
4 votes:

xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.


It probably isn't any different than going through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of inanimate objects and constantly expecting gunfights to break out around you over parking spots, so I think you have a pretty good idea what it is like.
2013-04-05 12:08:56 PM
4 votes:
In the state of Virginia, gun owners are allowed to openly carry a weapon without a permit, and consume alcohol. Servers are usually careful with those carrying firearms when serving alcohol, Leesburg Police Chief Joseph Price said.

"The individual with a firearm can consume alcohol," Price said, "but when you get intoxicated, that becomes a problem."
 Wow, I support the 2nd amendment and I like a drink or 12 every now and then. Mixing the two is just such a bad idea that there are not enough facepalms on the internet to convey the stupidity.
2013-04-05 01:48:44 PM
3 votes:

xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.


You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.
2013-04-05 01:41:14 PM
3 votes:

theprinceofwands: Yet it's completely legal in dozens to states to be fall down drunk and still armed, yet hasn't been any kind of significant problem in the couple hundred years it's been allowed by law.


It's legal in my state, even though the local gun rights lobbyist cheerfully told the sponsoring legislator that there would be no push back on that from the state gun-rights organization.

The legislator, being canny enough to win an election, asked why.

The gun rights lobbyist said that the day that law came into effect, he would go from cop bar to cop bar with a copy of the law, the voting record, a few of his sheriff deputy buddies, and an enormous paddy wagon.

Faced with the prospect of having to explain to the public why its OK for cops to be specifically exempted so they could be armed and inebriated, or to have to explain to the cop union why so many of their members were in the hoosegow, the bill never got filed.
2013-04-05 01:15:50 PM
3 votes:
All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.
2013-04-05 01:02:41 PM
3 votes:
You know where I would never feel the need to carry a gun?

Leesburg
2013-04-05 12:57:30 PM
3 votes:
Open carry in public for no reason is retarded. Attention whores.
2013-04-05 02:22:48 PM
2 votes:
Right now if you are in a state that allows CC a/o OC of the 100 adults closest to you who are not in a "Gun Free Zone", and who are not LEO's, at least one of them has a gun on them, and in most states odds are very very good that 5 or more are armed. Yet odds are also that you will never witness a shooting of any kind in your life.

Lawful carriers have been statistically shown to commit far less violent crimes than the average citizen. It is almost as if the sort of people that trust themselves to lawfully own and carry a firearm tend to be the kind of people who don't run around doing stupid, illegal, or dangerous things. How strange is that?
2013-04-05 02:09:12 PM
2 votes:
My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.
2013-04-05 01:43:07 PM
2 votes:

lostcat: What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.


They aren't calling you a pussy because you refuse to carry a gun. They are calling you a pussy because just the thought of somebody else carrying a gun in your vicinity freaks you the fark out and brings out your inner authoritarian.
2013-04-05 01:38:31 PM
2 votes:

GUTSU: lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.

If he thinks people with guns live in constant fear, he's wrong. I use guns all the time and I'm not in constant fear I don't even think about my gun.
Why you people believe gun owners are paranoid schizophrenic's is beyond me, but I'm going to guess it's because you don't actually know any.


I've gone shooting with my friends who own guns.

I enjoy it.

But they don't feel the need to carry their guns around with them any time they leave the house.

That's called a "security blanket." Feeling safe only when you have something in your possession, and not feeling safe when you don't have it. Not that all people who want to carry have this issue, but reading these threads, I certainly have come across people who "feel safer" when they have their gun on them.

It would never occur to me that carrying a gun would make me feel safer. I feel pretty safe without one. I don't feel like I need weapons to go through life. I tend to talk to people and difuse any potentially bad situation. Maybe some people don't have that ability, so they feel they need a gun.

What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.
2013-04-05 01:34:27 PM
2 votes:

noitsnot: I'm waiting for all the "accidentally shot self in leg, groin, or belly" stories.  Bring 'em on.


Is this all you whiny pussies got?
You just parrot on about all the bad things that are gonna happen..

OK.  I'll play.

Lets wait and see how many people in this place shoot themselves.  Lets all watch very carefully and see when someone gets shot.  I'm guessing your bet is what?  A day?  A week maybe?

I'll go out on a limb here and say... never.
Also.. when I say "somebody gets shot".. I mean one of the patrons shoots themselves or someone else as an accident.  If a patron shoots some thug trying to rob the place.. that doesn't count.

Deal?
2013-04-05 01:33:29 PM
2 votes:

lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.


If he thinks people with guns live in constant fear, he's wrong. I use guns all the time and I'm not in constant fear I don't even think about my gun.
Why you people believe gun owners are paranoid schizophrenic's is beyond me, but I'm going to guess it's because you don't actually know any.
2013-04-05 01:23:42 PM
2 votes:

dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?


Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?
2013-04-05 01:18:54 PM
2 votes:

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


The question is "where else to eat"?  Sure, the place with the 'gun night' will have a higher proportion of gun carriers than other restaurants.  But, by the percentages of people with concealed guns in my state, I can be reasonably confident there are at least a half-dozen guns around any time I'm in a relatively full restaurant.  The concealed carriers I know don't pay the slightest attention to door signs without metal detectors ("nobody will know I'm carrying, unless I get to be a big damned hero, then nobody will care").

Once you start realizing that 10% or more of people are carrying around you, pretty much anywhere unless you work in an airport, you start rethinking a few things.

A) If it were really that dangerous, there'd be a lot more shootouts than we currently have.

but

B) Probability suggests that there weren't at least a half-dozen guns in the Aurora movie theater when James Holmes started shooting.  Nobody pulled one.  Making me think that, even among gun carriers, "get the fark out of here" is the natural response to such a situation, not "big damned hero".
2013-04-05 01:14:46 PM
2 votes:

doglover: xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people

That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people.


Can't you easily make the same argument for people that feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times?
2013-04-05 01:10:40 PM
2 votes:
Ohh a gunaphobia thread, how quaint
2013-04-05 01:05:30 PM
2 votes:
Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.
2013-04-06 04:11:54 AM
1 votes:
The only weapons I need in a restaurant are a fork, a knife and a spoon.
2013-04-06 12:44:59 AM
1 votes:

Dimensio: chuggernaught: I consider any civilian that wants to carry a firearm in public as mentally unstable.

Your irrationality, stupidity and ignorance is not a valid basis for public policy.


It's been my experience that people like Chuggernaught project their mental instability onto everyone else.   They can even imagine a emotionally stable people exist.
2013-04-05 06:25:10 PM
1 votes:

bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.


Of course, because those of us who regularly go shooting would never be able to tell the difference between a farking firecracker and someone firing a gun in the same room.
2013-04-05 05:15:02 PM
1 votes:

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.

How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?


Do you honestly believe that everyone that holds a CCW wants the world to know that they have a gun? Some people have a CCW for protection, some have stalkers, and some work in shiatty neighborhoods. For some reason you're deathly afraid of them, and it's hilarious because you have no idea who they are.

Also it's outing them in the most basic way, you're forcing them to show that they have a gun and in doing so tell the entire world that they have one.

Just admit you're afraid of guns, we all know you are.
2013-04-05 05:04:06 PM
1 votes:

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.


So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.
2013-04-05 05:02:44 PM
1 votes:

xalres: Allen. The end.: bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.

This was the first thing I thought...

I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.


So, in your fantasy world you picture people whipping out their guns and start blazing away at mere loud sounds?  Do you ever find it difficult to function socially when your apparent view of the rest of society is miles beneath your self-granted smug intellect?  Seriously, ask yourself, if someone did that would you instantly start killing everyone around you?  Maybe grab a steak knife and just merrily start plunging it into chests?

Stop being such a farking ignoramus with your fanciful little what-if scenarios.  By simply suggesting such a thing is likely or even possible, you mark yourself out as remarkably ignorant.
2013-04-05 04:10:01 PM
1 votes:

Fark France: Canada allows citizens to own guns in their home; they actually are able to import some cooler guns than here in America. Every home in Sweden has a gun. Every one. The Finns can own guns as well. If there was anywhere I would want a gun, it would be the UK. They have an enormous violent crime problem. Japan's culture is so homogenous and different than anywhere else that it's really not even worth mentioning. The odds of committing suicide are much higher than being mugged IIRC.


And despite their very strict firearms laws, Japan still has a suicide rate three times that of the US with its ease of access to guns.
2013-04-05 02:49:02 PM
1 votes:
"People are suspicious of what they do not know-and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

"Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

"The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife -- there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife."



from "The Anti-gun Male", Julia Gorin
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin030802.asp
2013-04-05 02:30:19 PM
1 votes:
Hero tag or spiffy tag seems more appropriate.  Smart business move if sales increase.  Kudos to the owner for picking up the tab for the gentleman who said he would not be back
2013-04-05 02:27:20 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: JustGetItRight: xalres: I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.

Here's your challenge for the day.  Find me an example of a ccw carrier using his weapon in an attempt to stop a crime and instead shooting an innocent bystander.

I am aware of one incident. I am aware of absolutely no other incidents.


I remember that one and some extended research may turn up one or two more, but the overwhelming results will be that the CCW holder a) didn't draw b) drew, but didn't fire or c) successfully engaged (defined as shot or drove off) the offender.

Despite gun hater's claims and hopes, the evidence is undeniable that concealed carry holders exercise outstanding judgement in these situations.
2013-04-05 02:25:49 PM
1 votes:
Fart gets trollbait articles about restaurants and other establishments that allow firearms on premise all the time and the gun nuts goes their nutty routine every time.

Maybe Fark should meet them half way and start linking to stories about the dozens of shooting that must happen a day in these places to shut them up?
2013-04-05 02:22:02 PM
1 votes:

Frogfoot: The Stupid Tag?

No person should be defenseless in their own home or on the streets of their own city or country.  Whether they are defending themselves against simple thugs or their own government.  Mandating defenseless citizenry is simply an outmoded archaic type of thinking.  Those that continue it in any form are intellectual dinosaurs.


Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

The fact is that you could wear a suit made entirely of handguns and still pose no threat whatsoever to your own government. The only other reasons to carry a weapon are to defend yourself from random criminal bogeymen (which is not unreasonable if you live somewhere that this is a common threat), to protect yourself from specific problems you enabled by associating with certain people or acting like a jerk, or to be some kind of instant vigilante.

There are reasonable trains of thought that could lead people to any of these three conclusions, but there are also a lot of wide, well-travelled highways from crazytown that end up in that same place. It doesn't matter which is which because, again, it's perfectly legal.
2013-04-05 02:21:49 PM
1 votes:

Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.


I do prefer open carry to concealed carry. I don't really get the midset underpinning the desire to be armed at all times but also don't have anything against it as a right, really.

But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?
2013-04-05 02:20:54 PM
1 votes:
lostcat:

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

You need to be real careful then buddy.  You're right, you are more likely to get shot.

Get help, and stay away from others if you can't behave like a human being.
2013-04-05 02:20:28 PM
1 votes:

graeth: Why do some people try to link having a gun to penis size?
That seems to imply that the proper way to handle confrontations and defend yourself is to drop trow and play 'swords' with the opponent.


I have hypothesized -- though without testing -- that opponents of allowing civilians to carry firearms experience a disproportionate likelihood to be obsessed with male genitalia, which would explain the frequency by which such opponents inadvertently make inappropriate references to male genitalia in discussions.
2013-04-05 02:18:18 PM
1 votes:
I hold a Kentucky-issue concealed weapons permit. As a matter of habit, I carry where prohibited neither by law nor by policy. Policy includes my workplace, law includes government buildings (local, state or federal), establishments where more than 50% of income is derived from the sale of alcohol for consumption upon the premises (this has affected be exactly once, as I do not socialize frequently and I never consume alcohol in public) and when in legal jurisdictions where my permit is not recognized (such as Washington, DC or New York).

I experience no feeling of decreased safety nor of increased fear when not carrying. I traveled extensively in the District of Columbia by bicycle at various times of day without any concern of being robbed or otherwise attacked unprovoked. I have walked and made use of public transit in the city of New York and I felt no such concerns there, either. I have no fear of being attacked while working, nor do I anticipate being the victim of a violent crime when I enter any government building.

Individuals who believe that concealed weapons permit holders experience fear when not armed may wish to reconsider the universal validity of their premise.
2013-04-05 02:17:10 PM
1 votes:

xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.


Because in the unlikely event that my life is threatened, I like to have the tools to defend myself. I also used to obey "Gun Free Zones," too. I don't do that anymore after a fight at a party I was at. The house wasn't on campus, but was close enough that it was probable I would walk through it at some point. A fight broke out, everyone involved seemed over it, then an SUV came up around midnight, 7 guys poured out, and after kicking down the door and throwing a brick through a window, my friend was shot in the hip. Sure was glad I obeyed the signage at that point. Also glad that gun laws are being passed to make it harder to get guns. The shooter never would have gotten that stolen G23 with those in place.
2013-04-05 02:15:30 PM
1 votes:

xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.


Safety.  This takes us back to my analogy.  You don't wear a seat belt because you are afraid.  You wear it to be safe.  A seat belt is a tool that you use to help mitigate unexpected danger.  A firearm is also a tool that can be used towards the same purpose.  It is not an indication of fear or paranoia, any more than your seat belt is.
2013-04-05 02:03:11 PM
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Jeeb: You know where I would never feel the need to carry a gun?

Leesburg


This man speaks truth. Leesburg Virginia - the county seat of the perennial highest per capita income of any county in the United States (it trades back and forth with Arlington/Fairfax VA in the top 3 year to year) .

It ain't exactly Eight Mile, Southeast DC, or Cherry Hill in Baltimore.
2013-04-05 01:54:46 PM
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So someone with an unmedicated, bizarre form of paranoia that leaves them in such jorts-pissing terror of unfamiliar people is free to exercise his first amendment rights but not his second amendment ones?

Your Constitution does not work that way. The reasons for exercising your rights are not relevant. You can always do these things. That is why they are called rights.
2013-04-05 01:48:05 PM
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cookiefleck: This being a restaurant and all, shouldn't the owner spend more time talking about the food rather than all the guns they allow?


Since when has the quality of food had anything to do with restaurant marketing?
2013-04-05 01:29:10 PM
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JoanHaus: I'm pretty sure that the right couple of criminals could walk into that place and help themselves to every one of those guns, too.

Me, personally, I see a guy like that, with a gun, and I am anything BUT intimidated. One seriously hard slap in the face is all it's gonna take, to get that gun.


True, criminals tend to go after armed victims, internet tough guy
2013-04-05 01:27:58 PM
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GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?


I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.
2013-04-05 01:24:10 PM
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I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.
2013-04-05 01:16:35 PM
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FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]


Ok flashharry, how is your tiny penis?
2013-04-05 01:03:50 PM
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Stupid? Well the open carry people maybe. The restaurant guy is smart. This will bring in business.
2013-04-05 01:03:29 PM
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Makes me wish I was close enough to participate...and I don't even LIKE gumbo.
2013-04-05 01:03:18 PM
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Ah yeah, open carry, so the impulse criminal knows all he has to do is bash you in the head with a rock and suddenly he has a gun.  Sun Tzu disapproves strongly.

/carrying my CCW as I type this
//well whatever verb you'd use to describe sitting on a chair with a concealed Glock 31 attached to my body
/I do appreciate businesses that mention they're gun friendly though
2013-04-05 12:31:02 PM
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xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


Pretty much this. If the average person spent a couple of hours at the range each week then it wouldn't be such a big deal. It's the people who think guns are easy to shoot in a high intensity situation that scare me. They're just as likely to hit a bystander as they are their intended target.

The same goes for high capacity magazines. I'm less worried about the 15th round in the magazine that finally found its mark and saved you from your attacker than I am about the first 14 that found a different mark.
2013-04-05 11:46:12 AM
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i49.tinypic.com
2013-04-05 10:58:47 AM
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wejash: A hero with a concealed carry sidearm opened fire last yr to protect patrons at Cracker Barrel here. Well he tried to shoot his cousin for pissing him off but I'm confident the offensive look or talk was definitely dangerous enough to justify 5-6 rounds fired off.

Fortunately the gun was in the hands of a law-abiding and responsible citizen. Well, right up to the moment he wasn't...and such an exciting moment for all concerned. The NRA just bringing some random excitement to us all. You're welcome.


Well, to be fair, if someone took me to eat, and we ended up at Cracker Barrel, I'd be shooting pissed. Seems justified to me.
2013-04-05 10:22:00 AM
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Good thing the average person is so intelligent and prudent.
 
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