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2013-04-05 04:57:36 PM  

GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?


No, because that would be an unreasonable search.
 
2013-04-05 05:02:32 PM  

xalres: umad: xalres: But I can totally get behind the cellphone and texting laws.

I can't. I don't think we went about them the right way. We shouldn't ban texting and driving. We should ban vehicles that make texting and driving possible. Who really needs an automatic transmission anyway? It even has the word "automatic" in it, so they are only good for doing evil.

I know those are words in the English language but the way you've arranged them has left me wondering just what the holy hell you're trying to convey.

erm...I mean...wat?


My point is that texting and driving is illegal, but people can still do it. There is nothing stopping you from jumping in you car right now and texting as you drive around. You are a law-abiding driver only until you decide not to be. The only real solution is to make it impossible for you to choose to not obey the laws.

We can accomplish this by either banning cell phones or by banning cars that make such an action possible, and nothing less. The simplest solution is to make sure both of your hands are occupied when you drive by banning automatic transmissions. You will be too busy shifting gears with your free hand to be able to text. You might say "Bu-bu-but I drive an automatic, and I don't text and drive!" but that doesn't matter. Many other people have demonstrated that they can't responsibly operate an automatic transmission, so they must be banned for everybody.

If you are still confused, then all I can say is that this is an obvious analogy for something. I just can't put my finger on what.
 
2013-04-05 05:02:44 PM  

xalres: Allen. The end.: bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.

This was the first thing I thought...

I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.


So, in your fantasy world you picture people whipping out their guns and start blazing away at mere loud sounds?  Do you ever find it difficult to function socially when your apparent view of the rest of society is miles beneath your self-granted smug intellect?  Seriously, ask yourself, if someone did that would you instantly start killing everyone around you?  Maybe grab a steak knife and just merrily start plunging it into chests?

Stop being such a farking ignoramus with your fanciful little what-if scenarios.  By simply suggesting such a thing is likely or even possible, you mark yourself out as remarkably ignorant.
 
2013-04-05 05:04:06 PM  

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.


So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.
 
2013-04-05 05:08:35 PM  

GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.


How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?
 
2013-04-05 05:10:45 PM  
noitsnot: ...I think that people that feel they need to carry a gun in Sears will either shoot themselves or the stock boy, because they're stupid people, and stupid people do stupid things.

OK, that's what you think, and it's your right to think that way. Now...can you cite any examples of it actually happening? Personally, I think stupid people are those who jump to conclusions without having any farking clue about the subject they are discussing.

But what the hell do I know? I apparently have a small penis, because I own (and carry) guns, and we all know that a man's brain is directly linked to his penis.


/Why are some anti-gun people so obsessed with the size of other peoples' junk?
 
2013-04-05 05:12:18 PM  

craig328: You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?


I never said anything about taking anything away from anybody. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind needing to be armed at all times everywhere you go. Don't worry, I'm not trying to TERK YRR GERNS!!!
 
2013-04-05 05:13:08 PM  

Biner: /Why are some anti-gun people so obsessed with the size of other peoples' junk?


Because they are closeted self-loathing homosexuals. You know, the liberal version of a "wide stance" Republican.
 
2013-04-05 05:15:02 PM  

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.

How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?


Do you honestly believe that everyone that holds a CCW wants the world to know that they have a gun? Some people have a CCW for protection, some have stalkers, and some work in shiatty neighborhoods. For some reason you're deathly afraid of them, and it's hilarious because you have no idea who they are.

Also it's outing them in the most basic way, you're forcing them to show that they have a gun and in doing so tell the entire world that they have one.

Just admit you're afraid of guns, we all know you are.
 
2013-04-05 05:22:28 PM  

master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.


Except maybe by that table of four over in the corner.
 
2013-04-05 05:23:00 PM  

Jument: Trilithon: Jument: America: still crazy about guns, in every sense of the word.

Got to have hobbies man!

Do crosswords or fly kites, then?


Still 3 days of the waiting period for my assault kite.
 
2013-04-05 05:24:59 PM  

craig328: xalres: Allen. The end.: bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.

This was the first thing I thought...

I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.

So, in your fantasy world you picture people whipping out their guns and start blazing away at mere loud sounds?  Do you ever find it difficult to function socially when your apparent view of the rest of society is miles beneath your self-granted smug intellect?  Seriously, ask yourself, if someone did that would you instantly start killing everyone around you?  Maybe grab a steak knife and just merrily start plunging it into chests?

Stop being such a farking ignoramus with your fanciful little what-if scenarios.  By simply suggesting such a thing is likely or even possible, you mark yourself out as remarkably ignorant.


No. But then I'm not paranoid enough to feel like I have to have my binky pistol on me at all times. Be honest, if someone did do that at least a few of the people in the restaurant would go for their hip, if not draw fully. Besides, it was a joke. Lighten up a little.
 
2013-04-05 05:28:07 PM  

GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.

How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?

Do you honestly believe that everyone that holds a CCW wants the world to know that they have a gun? Some people have a CCW for protection, some have stalkers, and some work in shiatty neighborhoods. For some reason you're deathly afraid of them, and it's hilarious because you have no idea who they are.

Also it's outing them in the most basic way, you're forcing them to show that they have a gun and in doing so tell the entire world that they have one.

Just admit you're afraid of guns, we all know you are.


Not really. I've had a lot of experiences related to guns you can have, fired several, been around others that fired them, knowingly and unknowingly been arownd people who carry, slept in a room where guns were stored, had a gun pointed(but not fired) at me. I don't recall ever feeling a level of fear I would consider inappropriate.

Not compared to the almost paralyzing and utterly irrational fear I feel around horses, for example.
 
2013-04-05 05:28:21 PM  

xalres: craig328: You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?

I never said anything about taking anything away from anybody. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind needing to be armed at all times everywhere you go. Don't worry, I'm not trying to TERK YRR GERNS!!!


Not that this will make you feel any different about anything, but I"ll bite.

Once you get your license and start carrying, at least for me, it becomes a situation where you think to yourself "how shiatty would it be if something happened one day when you just happened to forget your sidearm at home that daY".   So once I started carrying, that thought kept me diligent about always having it.  Also, when I first started, I wanted to have "practice" carrying and get used to it, so I carried always.... 

This is zany, and meant to be...   but I always carry, even at home... watch ANY movie... where do the bad guys ALWAYS catch the good guy slippin?  At HOME after he's already taken his gun off... lol...    100% of home invasions happen in the home!!!!

I definitely don't walk around thinking something is going to happen to me.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.  I -DON'T- think something is going to happen, but conversely, I know it COULD.  I feel plenty safe without my piece, but I feel SAFER with it.  More prepared to handle any situation, especially when I have my small children with me.  (after all I"m their body guard)  I just carry to be prepared.  I carry a lighter, but don't smoke.. I carry a flashlight (use it all the time)... I carry a knife... I carry a small first aid kit... I carry a pen..   I carry a multi-tool....  I carry a voice recorder...  I carry a phone...   I carry some coins....  some gum....  extra house key....  extra money hidden in wallet...   

In my truck,  I carry rope.. and tie down straps... and a chain in the back... and basic tools...   and a gallon of gas....  and a fire extinguisher...   and blankets....  and some water....  and a shovel...   (I know, sounds like I"m ready for body disposal... lol)  

I understand that there are certain situations I could find myself in.  I choose to prepare a bit before hand in order that these situations may have the least effect/delay/etc on me....
 
2013-04-05 05:29:40 PM  

It Smee: KrustyKitten: I have always been intrigued by those who are against open carry, specifically. It's ok to if you want to be armed, I just don't want to know?

Here's why I'm against open carry specifically: If a person is carrying a concealed weapon they have to have a CCW permit. Which means that they were serious enough about carrying a firearm that they went through all the proper procedures and a basic level of training in order to carry one. Or at the least they were willing to pay the fee. Open carry on the other hand, can be done by any yahoo with a gun. It comes across as "Hey look at me, I've got a gun". They are like the guy that walks into a bar and tells everyone they know karate instead of just being the quietly competent guy at the bar minding his business. People who open carry are looking for a confrontation whether it comes from a criminal or an anti-gun person. One way or another, open carry people are actively seeking confrontation and people with that kind of mind set don't need to be carrying a gun

Now, that's just my opinion and I've been known to be wrong before.



The problem is, that while most people want to quietly mind their own business, they don't want to spend hundreds of dollars and wait several months for the "privilege". Most states have created the scenario where you have to jump through hoops to protect yourself discretely. So now people have to choose between a) a pain in the ass (financial expense, long wait period), b) not protecting themselves, or c) protecting themselves with open carry. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that some people choose to open carry.

To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is  extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.
 
2013-04-05 05:39:22 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: xalres: craig328: You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?

I never said anything about taking anything away from anybody. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind needing to be armed at all times everywhere you go. Don't worry, I'm not trying to TERK YRR GERNS!!!

Not that this will make you feel any different about anything, but I"ll bite.

Once you get your license and start carrying, at least for me, it becomes a situation where you think to yourself "how shiatty would it be if something happened one day when you just happened to forget your sidearm at home that daY".   So once I started carrying, that thought kept me diligent about always having it.  Also, when I first started, I wanted to have "practice" carrying and get used to it, so I carried always.... 

This is zany, and meant to be...   but I always carry, even at home... watch ANY movie... where do the bad guys ALWAYS catch the good guy slippin?  At HOME after he's already taken his gun off... lol...    100% of home invasions happen in the home!!!!

I definitely don't walk around thinking something is going to happen to me.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.  I -DON'T- think something is going to happen, but conversely, I know it COULD.  I feel plenty safe without my piece, but I feel SAFER with it.  More prepared to handle any situation, especially when I have my small children with me.  (after all I"m their body guard)  I just carry to be prepared.  I carry a lighter, but don't smoke.. I carry a flashlight (use it all the time)... I carry a knife... I carry a small first aid kit... I carry a pen..   I carry a multi-tool....  I carry a voice recorder...  I carry a phone...   I carry some coins....  some gum....  extra house key. ...


I grok (sorry, just re-read that book). So it isn't so much about "OMG dangerous minorities are around every corner waiting to storm my wife and rape my castle!!!" and more about preparing for an eventuality you hope you never need to deal with. Kind of like the insanely overstocked earthquake kit I have in my shed. I still don't quite get needing to bring it into bars and churches but meh.

Also, how huge are your pockets with all that shiat in them?
 
2013-04-05 05:44:17 PM  

aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.


So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.
 
2013-04-05 05:52:47 PM  

It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.


So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?
 
2013-04-05 05:57:28 PM  
Mods should just copy/paste the last gun thread here, save everyone a lot of time.

/ just a suggestion
 
2013-04-05 06:00:18 PM  
GUTSU:
...
So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it?
...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... OMG ... breathe - breathe... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA...

So awesome - I would never of thought to compare the two!

Wow - where to start?
 
2013-04-05 06:00:36 PM  

GUTSU: It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.

So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?


Many CCW instructors around here waive the training fee for women and other groups, they only have to pay the fingerprint fee (To the Sheriffs office) and the state fee.
 
2013-04-05 06:04:00 PM  

GUTSU: So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?


If she can't afford the concealed carry fee, how can she afford the gun? Not to mention the gun safe which should be in the house since she has children (single mother and all). You can't just leave a gun lying around where children can get at it, that's irresponsible. Even the NRA would agree with that. Guns are expensive to purchase, train with, keep, and maintain. I'm sorry the fictional mother in your scenario can't afford all the costs involved but I suppose the answer to your question then would be, "yes".
 
2013-04-05 06:05:06 PM  

WelldeadLink: "carrying a SIG Sauer on his right hip. He was happily dining on a fried dish "

There's a slight difference in the amount of detail in the description of the gun and the dish.


With cajun food, it's a bit difficult to tell...  "Are those fried chicken livers, fried mushrooms or fried crawdads?"

"....yes?"
 
2013-04-05 06:06:16 PM  

It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.


I live in NY. I submitted my ccw application almost a year ago. That is not a reasonable waiting period. I won't trouble you with how exhaustive this process was but you can google it.
 
2013-04-05 06:07:03 PM  
To clarify, I am STILL waiting for it.
 
2013-04-05 06:07:30 PM  

snochick: Get that wad out of your panties, subby. That restaurant is probably the safest place to be on a Wednesday.


Unless you eat the food.
 
2013-04-05 06:08:43 PM  

It Smee: GUTSU: So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?

If she can't afford the concealed carry fee, how can she afford the gun? Not to mention the gun safe which should be in the house since she has children (single mother and all). You can't just leave a gun lying around where children can get at it, that's irresponsible. Even the NRA would agree with that. Guns are expensive to purchase, train with, keep, and maintain. I'm sorry the fictional mother in your scenario can't afford all the costs involved but I suppose the answer to your question then would be, "yes".


Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.
 
2013-04-05 06:14:15 PM  

Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.


A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.
 
2013-04-05 06:15:18 PM  

It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.


Or you could not assume anything and actually try reading. That's hard though.
 
2013-04-05 06:21:49 PM  

aelat: It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.

Or you could not assume anything and actually try reading. That's hard though.


Your words. Not mine.
 
2013-04-05 06:25:10 PM  

bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.


Of course, because those of us who regularly go shooting would never be able to tell the difference between a farking firecracker and someone firing a gun in the same room.
 
2013-04-05 06:25:31 PM  

It Smee: GUTSU: So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?

If she can't afford the concealed carry fee, how can she afford the gun? Not to mention the gun safe which should be in the house since she has children (single mother and all). You can't just leave a gun lying around where children can get at it, that's irresponsible. Even the NRA would agree with that. Guns are expensive to purchase, train with, keep, and maintain. I'm sorry the fictional mother in your scenario can't afford all the costs involved but I suppose the answer to your question then would be, "yes".


So you think the poor should have unreasonable boundaries preventing them from defending themselves?
 
2013-04-05 06:28:18 PM  

It Smee: Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/62258

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/21141/comanche_9_ro u nd_22_lr_revolver_w6_barreladjustable_sight

http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Universal-Gun-Cleaning-Accessory/dp/B001 H BHNM4/ref=zg_bs_3225968011_5

I'm not even going to bother looking up ammo, my point is made.

Getting a ccw in nys will cost more. That's also beside the point, since adding more costs is a violation of rights. This is the same reason a poll tax is unethical.
 
2013-04-05 06:33:05 PM  

It Smee: Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.


Here every new firearm I have purchased lately has come with trigger locks or a security device of some type, decent SD pistols start around $300, cleaning kits for pistols are about $20. Can't argue the price of ammo, if she can find it. Permit fees are around $100 here and fees for the class avg $100 - $150 usually. Guess it depends where to live.
 
2013-04-05 06:50:25 PM  

Trilithon: It Smee: Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.

Here every new firearm I have purchased lately has come with trigger locks or a security device of some type, decent SD pistols start around $300, cleaning kits for pistols are about $20. Can't argue the price of ammo, if she can find it. Permit fees are around $100 here and fees for the class avg $100 - $150 usually. Guess it depends where to live.


The fact that guns are as expensive as they are only adds to the argument against all of the fees. It just prices poor people that much further out of the market. It also influences them toward the cheaper and less reliable (and therefore less safe) guns out there.
 
2013-04-05 06:53:17 PM  

FlashHarry: kombat_unit: FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]

Ok flashharry, how is your tiny penis?

well, i don't need to open carry.


But penis penis penis.
 
2013-04-05 07:02:08 PM  
xalres:  No. But then I'm not paranoid enough to feel like I have to have my binky pistol on me at all times. Be honest, if someone did do that at least a few of the people in the restaurant would go for their hip, if not draw fully. Besides, it was a joke. Lighten up a little.

I carry concealed, and this is exactly what I would do if I heard firecrackers going off inside a restaurant. I would quickly turn to the source of the noise and reach for my pistol as I assessed the situation. Upon realizing that it was firecrackers going off and not a gunfight, I would give an exasperated sigh and go back to my meal, which I would not enjoy because the adrenaline rush would have killed my appetite.

/has been shot at too many times
//doesn't like fireworks
 
2013-04-05 07:07:00 PM  
Holy crap! Not only is this place in my home town, but it's less than a five min walk from my front door.   I'm even semi-friends with this guy's wife who is the head chef.  The food is awesome, but I think I will skip eating there on Wednesdays.  I'm not anti-gun per se, Shot my first one when I was 8 and by the time I was 13 I'd was able to put 4 bullets in the same hole with a .22 bolt action rifle at 100 yards (still have the target somewhere). But open carry makes me nervous because I worry about guns being in the hands of people who lack the basic social wiring to realize that strapping a gun to your hip like Wyatt Earp hasn't been really acceptable in polite company since before the shootout at the  OK Corral.  In some places I could maybe understand it but we are talking about a small town here where the only time iI lock my front door is when I'm going to be out of town for a few days and I'm worried it might blow open and let the cat out
 
2013-04-05 07:33:44 PM  

Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.

Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.

"Need"? I certainly haven't posited that it would save lives or any such thing. Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.


What's funny is that the states with the strictest gun laws have pretty much prohibited open carry.
 
2013-04-05 07:40:47 PM  
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin030802.asp
 
2013-04-05 08:17:27 PM  

lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.


I have.

Hit the sucker in the head with a coffee mug. From 20 feet away.

If I had a gun, I would have shot him, but I don't carry a gun in public because I really do want to shoot people. I have carried openly when I would ride herds, but that's country life. The good people in the country don't care if you carry, they'll just shoot you like a mad dog if you cross the line.

Don't try to hold up my breakfast joint.

I am pissier in the AM.
 
2013-04-05 08:21:01 PM  
It's an even better idea for a business to offer a 10% discount for customers who have a concealed carry gun.  And oddly enough, no need to check it or prove it at all.  Just assume that "concealed carry day" means that everybody in the place might have a gun.  So 10% discounts all around.

It's a guarantee that everyone will be polite and friendly.  Importantly, when there are guns about, even mentally unstable people as a rule will behave themselves better.  This is because the inhibition for survival is one of the strongest parts of reason.  When they are not around guns, they feel free to lose it and misbehave.  But when guns might be about, they try to "maintain".
 
2013-04-05 08:47:18 PM  

master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.


Cute.

What unarmed people under fire do.
 
2013-04-05 08:51:38 PM  

Magorn: Holy crap! Not only is this place in my home town, but it's less than a five min walk from my front door.   I'm even semi-friends with this guy's wife who is the head chef.  The food is awesome, but I think I will skip eating there on Wednesdays.  I'm not anti-gun per se, Shot my first one when I was 8 and by the time I was 13 I'd was able to put 4 bullets in the same hole with a .22 bolt action rifle at 100 yards (still have the target somewhere). But open carry makes me nervous because I worry about guns being in the hands of people who lack the basic social wiring to realize that strapping a gun to your hip like Wyatt Earp hasn't been really acceptable in polite company since before the shootout at the  OK Corral.  In some places I could maybe understand it but we are talking about a small town here where the only time iI lock my front door is when I'm going to be out of town for a few days and I'm worried it might blow open and let the cat out


HAH.  That's farking hilarious.  It turns out that this place is Mayberry.  Nobody even locks their doors.  Priceless.

237 posts attempting to justify carry in this diner and it's just dick waving pure and simple.
 
2013-04-05 09:09:25 PM  

Magorn: Holy crap! Not only is this place in my home town, but it's less than a five min walk from my front door.   I'm even semi-friends with this guy's wife who is the head chef.  The food is awesome, but I think I will skip eating there on Wednesdays.  I'm not anti-gun per se, Shot my first one when I was 8 and by the time I was 13 I'd was able to put 4 bullets in the same hole with a .22 bolt action rifle at 100 yards (still have the target somewhere). But open carry makes me nervous because I worry about guns being in the hands of people who lack the basic social wiring to realize that strapping a gun to your hip like Wyatt Earp hasn't been really acceptable in polite company since before the shootout at the  OK Corral.  In some places I could maybe understand it but we are talking about a small town here where the only time iI lock my front door is when I'm going to be out of town for a few days and I'm worried it might blow open and let the cat out


But you're okay living in a society where any driver could swerve out of his way and murder you for no particular reason. Or, the cook could run out with a bread knife and chop your head off. Or, the guy at the gas station could douse you with 87 octane and throw a lit match at you.

You must spend your whole life assuming people are out to murder you, simply because it is physically possible for them to do so.
 
2013-04-05 09:20:34 PM  
Fark's idiot side is showing again. I'll just move along.
 
2013-04-05 09:41:32 PM  

craig328: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

The pistol I carry...
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...doesn't have a safety.  But then again, I don't carry it charged either.  Loaded, not charged.

I carry like that because I don't expect (nor desire) a wild west shootout.  If I have enough time to draw from my holster in the gawdawful event that I need to...I'll go ahead and take the extra second or two to rack the slide.

Most people who carry do so because:
 - the weapon doesn't scare us
 - we carry it responsibly enough that 99.9999% of the time, those around us have no idea
 - we regard it in the same way as everyone regards health or fire insurance (have it and hope not to use it but realize life would suck hard if we needed it but didn't have it)

Nobody is forcing anybody to carry or own a firearm.  There are two towns near where I live that have a law on the books that says each household must have a gun but they're not enforced.  But just as nobody is compelled to own one, it's equally piss poor to want to deny others the right to lawfully own one.

You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to c ...


I consider any civilian that wants to carry a firearm in public as mentally unstable.
 
2013-04-05 09:56:01 PM  

dv-ous: master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.

Cute.

What unarmed people under fire do.


Respect to those guys
 
2013-04-05 10:15:06 PM  
Do they serve wild pig? They must.
 
2013-04-05 10:24:21 PM  
Doom MD:
Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

Any safe that can be carried to a vehicle is pointless (nobody will bother opening it on the premises).  This is a great way to arm criminals.  Of course, arming criminals is a great way to sell guns, so most pro-gun propaganda ignores this.

/you can't imagine how impressed I was with a newspaper outing which houses had such wonderfully fenceable items.
 
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