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2013-04-05 10:18:31 AM
"Waiter, there's a fly in my SOUP!..."

*BANG!*
 
2013-04-05 10:22:00 AM
Good thing the average person is so intelligent and prudent.
 
2013-04-05 10:34:29 AM
I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.
 
2013-04-05 10:39:11 AM
10% discount on "New Orleans style food"? I'm in. People open carrying scare me not in the least. And, I'd guess the restaurant would not make an attractive robbery target.
 
2013-04-05 10:51:50 AM
A hero with a concealed carry sidearm opened fire last yr to protect patrons at Cracker Barrel here. Well he tried to shoot his cousin for pissing him off but I'm confident the offensive look or talk was definitely dangerous enough to justify 5-6 rounds fired off.

Fortunately the gun was in the hands of a law-abiding and responsible citizen. Well, right up to the moment he wasn't...and such an exciting moment for all concerned. The NRA just bringing some random excitement to us all. You're welcome.
 
2013-04-05 10:58:47 AM

wejash: A hero with a concealed carry sidearm opened fire last yr to protect patrons at Cracker Barrel here. Well he tried to shoot his cousin for pissing him off but I'm confident the offensive look or talk was definitely dangerous enough to justify 5-6 rounds fired off.

Fortunately the gun was in the hands of a law-abiding and responsible citizen. Well, right up to the moment he wasn't...and such an exciting moment for all concerned. The NRA just bringing some random excitement to us all. You're welcome.


Well, to be fair, if someone took me to eat, and we ended up at Cracker Barrel, I'd be shooting pissed. Seems justified to me.
 
2013-04-05 11:46:12 AM
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2013-04-05 12:08:56 PM
In the state of Virginia, gun owners are allowed to openly carry a weapon without a permit, and consume alcohol. Servers are usually careful with those carrying firearms when serving alcohol, Leesburg Police Chief Joseph Price said.

"The individual with a firearm can consume alcohol," Price said, "but when you get intoxicated, that becomes a problem."
 Wow, I support the 2nd amendment and I like a drink or 12 every now and then. Mixing the two is just such a bad idea that there are not enough facepalms on the internet to convey the stupidity.
 
2013-04-05 12:14:05 PM

xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people


That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people. It's a kind of personality disorder on par with the gun nuts who stockpile ammo and chem toilets for Ruby Ridge 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I, on the other hand, trust most people with most things. I've often been drinking with people armed to the teeth with knives and firearms while camping. I've even argued with them heatedly. No one's ever even considered pulling a weapon because that's not what civilized people do.

But instead of making better people, we just try to legislate away our problems these days. It's very much something our grandparents would not approve of.
 
2013-04-05 12:31:02 PM

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


Pretty much this. If the average person spent a couple of hours at the range each week then it wouldn't be such a big deal. It's the people who think guns are easy to shoot in a high intensity situation that scare me. They're just as likely to hit a bystander as they are their intended target.

The same goes for high capacity magazines. I'm less worried about the 15th round in the magazine that finally found its mark and saved you from your attacker than I am about the first 14 that found a different mark.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:30 PM
Open carry in public for no reason is retarded. Attention whores.
 
2013-04-05 01:02:41 PM
You know where I would never feel the need to carry a gun?

Leesburg
 
2013-04-05 01:03:18 PM
Ah yeah, open carry, so the impulse criminal knows all he has to do is bash you in the head with a rock and suddenly he has a gun.  Sun Tzu disapproves strongly.

/carrying my CCW as I type this
//well whatever verb you'd use to describe sitting on a chair with a concealed Glock 31 attached to my body
/I do appreciate businesses that mention they're gun friendly though
 
2013-04-05 01:03:29 PM
Makes me wish I was close enough to participate...and I don't even LIKE gumbo.
 
2013-04-05 01:03:50 PM
Stupid? Well the open carry people maybe. The restaurant guy is smart. This will bring in business.
 
2013-04-05 01:04:48 PM

sammyk: In the state of Virginia, gun owners are allowed to openly carry a weapon without a permit, and consume alcohol. Servers are usually careful with those carrying firearms when serving alcohol, Leesburg Police Chief Joseph Price said.

"The individual with a firearm can consume alcohol," Price said, "but when you get intoxicated, that becomes a problem."
 Wow, I support the 2nd amendment and I like a drink or 12 every now and then. Mixing the two is just such a bad idea that there are not enough facepalms on the internet to convey the stupidity.


Yet it's completely legal in dozens to states to be fall down drunk and still armed, yet hasn't been any kind of significant problem in the couple hundred years it's been allowed by law.
 
2013-04-05 01:05:30 PM
Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.
 
2013-04-05 01:05:50 PM
Bunch of savages in this town...
 
2013-04-05 01:09:18 PM

FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]


I heard Ron Jeremy loves guns :-P
 
2013-04-05 01:10:40 PM
Ohh a gunaphobia thread, how quaint
 
2013-04-05 01:14:46 PM

doglover: xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people

That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people.


Can't you easily make the same argument for people that feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times?
 
2013-04-05 01:15:50 PM
All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.
 
2013-04-05 01:16:35 PM

FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]


Ok flashharry, how is your tiny penis?
 
2013-04-05 01:16:38 PM
I say subby is stupid.
 
2013-04-05 01:16:55 PM
"Glance down around the customers' waists, and you will likely see a firearm."

That's what she said.

/    lives in Leesburg
//   getting a kick
///  slashy mcslasherstein
 
2013-04-05 01:17:32 PM

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


Exactly why I carry.
 
2013-04-05 01:17:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: doglover: xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people

That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people.

Can't you easily make the same argument for people that feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times?


Absolutely, but they aren't trying to limit what other people do to quiet their terrors. Just modifying their own behavior.
 
2013-04-05 01:17:54 PM

master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.


Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.
 
2013-04-05 01:18:54 PM

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


The question is "where else to eat"?  Sure, the place with the 'gun night' will have a higher proportion of gun carriers than other restaurants.  But, by the percentages of people with concealed guns in my state, I can be reasonably confident there are at least a half-dozen guns around any time I'm in a relatively full restaurant.  The concealed carriers I know don't pay the slightest attention to door signs without metal detectors ("nobody will know I'm carrying, unless I get to be a big damned hero, then nobody will care").

Once you start realizing that 10% or more of people are carrying around you, pretty much anywhere unless you work in an airport, you start rethinking a few things.

A) If it were really that dangerous, there'd be a lot more shootouts than we currently have.

but

B) Probability suggests that there weren't at least a half-dozen guns in the Aurora movie theater when James Holmes started shooting.  Nobody pulled one.  Making me think that, even among gun carriers, "get the fark out of here" is the natural response to such a situation, not "big damned hero".
 
2013-04-05 01:18:54 PM

master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.


So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?
 
2013-04-05 01:19:50 PM

gopher321: "Waiter, there's a fly in my SOUP!..."

*BANG!*


Yep.  This happens ALL the time right?
I mean.. I can't even count the number of times a perfectly legal law abiding citizen has gotten upset that somebody looked at them wrong and they busted a cap in their ass..

Right?  Right?

I mean.. it happens All the time.
 
2013-04-05 01:19:54 PM
Meh, whatever. I don't really care for cajun food. Or people from Virginia for that matter. I don't trust anyone from a place called a "commonwealth" instead of a "state".
 
2013-04-05 01:20:22 PM
I'm waiting for Machete Mondays.
 
2013-04-05 01:21:07 PM

HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.


Yep.  Your right.  I'm sure we'll be reading a story about someone getting shot there by next Wednesday.

//sarcasm.
 
2013-04-05 01:21:47 PM

Lawnchair: xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.

The question is "where else to eat"?  Sure, the place with the 'gun night' will have a higher proportion of gun carriers than other restaurants.  But, by the percentages of people with concealed guns in my state, I can be reasonably confident there are at least a half-dozen guns around any time I'm in a relatively full restaurant.  The concealed carriers I know don't pay the slightest attention to door signs without metal detectors ("nobody will know I'm carrying, unless I get to be a big damned hero, then nobody will care").

Once you start realizing that 10% or more of people are carrying around you, pretty much anywhere unless you work in an airport, you start rethinking a few things.

A) If it were really that dangerous, there'd be a lot more shootouts than we currently have.

but

B) Probability suggests that there weren't at least a half-dozen guns in the Aurora movie theater when James Holmes started shooting.  Nobody pulled one.  Making me think that, even among gun carriers, "get the fark out of here" is the natural response to such a situation, not "big damned hero".


I work in the financial district of San Francisco.

I can assure you that 1 in 10 of the people around me, even when I walk outside to get lunch, are not carrying firearms.
 
2013-04-05 01:21:49 PM
I'm waiting for all the "accidentally shot self in leg, groin, or belly" stories.  Bring 'em on.
 
2013-04-05 01:23:04 PM

master_dman: gopher321: "Waiter, there's a fly in my SOUP!..."

*BANG!*

Yep.  This happens ALL the time right?
I mean.. I can't even count the number of times a perfectly legal law abiding citizen has gotten upset that somebody looked at them wrong and they busted a cap in their ass..

Right?  Right?

I mean.. it happens All the time.


You must be a really fun guy to hang out with
 
2013-04-05 01:23:07 PM

illannoyin: Meh, whatever. I don't really care for cajun food. Or people from Virginia for that matter. I don't trust anyone from a place called a "commonwealth" instead of a "state".


The good folk of Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Virginia really don't care.
 
2013-04-05 01:23:28 PM

master_dman: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.

Yep.  Your right.  I'm sure we'll be reading a story about someone getting shot there by next Wednesday.

//sarcasm.


Pretty much all you got.

I enjoyed the article about the responsible gun owner that offed his baby while trying to holster his gun. So many isolated incidents, good thing they're isolated.
 
2013-04-05 01:23:42 PM

dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?


Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?
 
2013-04-05 01:24:10 PM
I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.
 
2013-04-05 01:24:30 PM
I'm pretty sure that the right couple of criminals could walk into that place and help themselves to every one of those guns, too.

Me, personally, I see a guy like that, with a gun, and I am anything BUT intimidated. One seriously hard slap in the face is all it's gonna take, to get that gun.
 
2013-04-05 01:24:37 PM

dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?


It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.
 
2013-04-05 01:27:02 PM

JoanHaus: I'm pretty sure that the right couple of criminals could walk into that place and help themselves to every one of those guns, too.


If Apollo Robbins ever wants to step up his style, that's a video I'd totally watch over and over again.
 
2013-04-05 01:27:43 PM

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


Same here. I don't trust people with guns, knives, cars, alcohol, drugs, sticks, rocks, or the ability to say or write stupid shiat. All of it should be banned. For the children.
 
2013-04-05 01:27:58 PM

GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?


I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.
 
2013-04-05 01:27:58 PM

HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.

Yep.  Your right.  I'm sure we'll be reading a story about someone getting shot there by next Wednesday.

//sarcasm.

Pretty much all you got.

I enjoyed the article about the responsible gun owner that offed his baby while trying to holster his gun. So many isolated incidents, good thing they're isolated.


Between 800 and 1000 gun-shot deaths per year are classed as accidental. If they were all to the person who was clumsily or negligently handling the weapon, I would say this is a good thing (Darwin Award candidates), but all too often somebody else catches the bullet.
 
2013-04-05 01:29:10 PM

JoanHaus: I'm pretty sure that the right couple of criminals could walk into that place and help themselves to every one of those guns, too.

Me, personally, I see a guy like that, with a gun, and I am anything BUT intimidated. One seriously hard slap in the face is all it's gonna take, to get that gun.


True, criminals tend to go after armed victims, internet tough guy
 
2013-04-05 01:29:30 PM

lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.


That is correct.
 
2013-04-05 01:29:34 PM
Should have earned the HERO tag.

Every day they take more money and more freedom away from us, under the excuse "--it's for your own good!"

Every day we put up with it, because this country is a nation of wussies.

You Farkers loudly defend the use of marijuana, but when it comes to the right of self defense your silence is deafening.

Double standard as usual, or just a yellow belly.
 
2013-04-05 01:30:20 PM
While I like open carry; it's probably a good idea to consider what area of town you are going to be walking through. Some people tend to freeeeeak the fark out when they see someone who is open carrying; even when it is 100% legal.

/ I try not to frequent businesses that have the no ccw sign; it's kind of like sticking a sign out saying "rob me, please"
 
2013-04-05 01:31:26 PM

Lawnchair: xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.

The question is "where else to eat"?  Sure, the place with the 'gun night' will have a higher proportion of gun carriers than other restaurants.  But, by the percentages of people with concealed guns in my state, I can be reasonably confident there are at least a half-dozen guns around any time I'm in a relatively full restaurant.  The concealed carriers I know don't pay the slightest attention to door signs without metal detectors ("nobody will know I'm carrying, unless I get to be a big damned hero, then nobody will care").

Once you start realizing that 10% or more of people are carrying around you, pretty much anywhere unless you work in an airport, you start rethinking a few things.

A) If it were really that dangerous, there'd be a lot more shootouts than we currently have.

but

B) Probability suggests that there weren't at least a half-dozen guns in the Aurora movie theater when James Holmes started shooting.  Nobody pulled one.  Making me think that, even among gun carriers, "get the fark out of here" is the natural response to such a situation, not "big damned hero".


That's an interesting point about the Aurora theater.  I wonder if any of the patrons did have a gun, but chose not to use it due to the confusion of the situation.  Then again, perhaps no gun owners were of the mind that they wanted to go see a midnight premier of a batman movie.
 
2013-04-05 01:32:17 PM

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


Then don't ever come to Alaska.  We don't even need permits to carry concealed.  Just assume that 20-30% of the people around you have some sort of firearm on them.
 
2013-04-05 01:33:29 PM

lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.


If he thinks people with guns live in constant fear, he's wrong. I use guns all the time and I'm not in constant fear I don't even think about my gun.
Why you people believe gun owners are paranoid schizophrenic's is beyond me, but I'm going to guess it's because you don't actually know any.
 
2013-04-05 01:34:27 PM

noitsnot: I'm waiting for all the "accidentally shot self in leg, groin, or belly" stories.  Bring 'em on.


Is this all you whiny pussies got?
You just parrot on about all the bad things that are gonna happen..

OK.  I'll play.

Lets wait and see how many people in this place shoot themselves.  Lets all watch very carefully and see when someone gets shot.  I'm guessing your bet is what?  A day?  A week maybe?

I'll go out on a limb here and say... never.
Also.. when I say "somebody gets shot".. I mean one of the patrons shoots themselves or someone else as an accident.  If a patron shoots some thug trying to rob the place.. that doesn't count.

Deal?
 
2013-04-05 01:34:35 PM

xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.


It probably isn't any different than going through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of inanimate objects and constantly expecting gunfights to break out around you over parking spots, so I think you have a pretty good idea what it is like.
 
2013-04-05 01:36:31 PM
"carrying a SIG Sauer on his right hip. He was happily dining on a fried dish "

There's a slight difference in the amount of detail in the description of the gun and the dish.
 
2013-04-05 01:36:52 PM

master_dman: Lets wait and see how many people in this place shoot themselves. Lets all watch very carefully and see when someone gets shot. I'm guessing your bet is what? A day? A week maybe?


Actually the timeline will be until the business closes. Whether it happens today or a year from now is entirely irrelevant.
 
2013-04-05 01:36:59 PM

give me doughnuts: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.

Yep.  Your right.  I'm sure we'll be reading a story about someone getting shot there by next Wednesday.

//sarcasm.

Pretty much all you got.

I enjoyed the article about the responsible gun owner that offed his baby while trying to holster his gun. So many isolated incidents, good thing they're isolated.

Between 800 and 1000 gun-shot deaths per year are classed as accidental. If they were all to the person who was clumsily or negligently handling the weapon, I would say this is a good thing (Darwin Award candidates), but all too often somebody else catches the bullet.


citation needed.
 
2013-04-05 01:38:30 PM

WelldeadLink: "carrying a SIG Sauer on his right hip. He was happily dining on a fried dish "

There's a slight difference in the amount of detail in the description of the gun and the dish.


All fried food rates the same.
 
2013-04-05 01:38:31 PM

GUTSU: lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.

If he thinks people with guns live in constant fear, he's wrong. I use guns all the time and I'm not in constant fear I don't even think about my gun.
Why you people believe gun owners are paranoid schizophrenic's is beyond me, but I'm going to guess it's because you don't actually know any.


I've gone shooting with my friends who own guns.

I enjoy it.

But they don't feel the need to carry their guns around with them any time they leave the house.

That's called a "security blanket." Feeling safe only when you have something in your possession, and not feeling safe when you don't have it. Not that all people who want to carry have this issue, but reading these threads, I certainly have come across people who "feel safer" when they have their gun on them.

It would never occur to me that carrying a gun would make me feel safer. I feel pretty safe without one. I don't feel like I need weapons to go through life. I tend to talk to people and difuse any potentially bad situation. Maybe some people don't have that ability, so they feel they need a gun.

What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.
 
2013-04-05 01:39:27 PM

WelldeadLink: "carrying a SIG Sauer on his right hip. He was happily dining on a fried dish "

There's a slight difference in the amount of detail in the description of the gun and the dish.


They actually fry the plates there.
 
2013-04-05 01:41:14 PM

theprinceofwands: Yet it's completely legal in dozens to states to be fall down drunk and still armed, yet hasn't been any kind of significant problem in the couple hundred years it's been allowed by law.


It's legal in my state, even though the local gun rights lobbyist cheerfully told the sponsoring legislator that there would be no push back on that from the state gun-rights organization.

The legislator, being canny enough to win an election, asked why.

The gun rights lobbyist said that the day that law came into effect, he would go from cop bar to cop bar with a copy of the law, the voting record, a few of his sheriff deputy buddies, and an enormous paddy wagon.

Faced with the prospect of having to explain to the public why its OK for cops to be specifically exempted so they could be armed and inebriated, or to have to explain to the cop union why so many of their members were in the hoosegow, the bill never got filed.
 
2013-04-05 01:41:51 PM

lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.


Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.
 
2013-04-05 01:42:31 PM
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2013-04-05 01:42:31 PM

GUTSU: lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.

If he thinks people with guns live in constant fear, he's wrong. I use guns all the time and I'm not in constant fear I don't even think about my gun.
Why you people believe gun owners are paranoid schizophrenic's is beyond me, but I'm going to guess it's because you don't actually know any.


I'm talking specifically about the mentality of people who feel the need to have a gun on hand while eating a restaurant, not gun owners in general.

/have friends with guns
//go shooting with them sometimes
 
2013-04-05 01:42:54 PM
Get that wad out of your panties, subby. That restaurant is probably the safest place to be on a Wednesday.
 
2013-04-05 01:43:07 PM

lostcat: What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.


They aren't calling you a pussy because you refuse to carry a gun. They are calling you a pussy because just the thought of somebody else carrying a gun in your vicinity freaks you the fark out and brings out your inner authoritarian.
 
2013-04-05 01:43:11 PM

umad: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

It probably isn't any different than going through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of inanimate objects and constantly expecting gunfights to break out around you over parking spots, so I think you have a pretty good idea what it is like.


Not sure what you're getting at. Guns don't scare me. I'm just trying to grok what a militant CCW's world must look like. I feel pity and amusement, but not fear or paranoia.
 
2013-04-05 01:44:37 PM
This being a restaurant and all, shouldn't the owner spend more time talking about the food rather than all the guns they allow?
 
2013-04-05 01:48:05 PM

cookiefleck: This being a restaurant and all, shouldn't the owner spend more time talking about the food rather than all the guns they allow?


Since when has the quality of food had anything to do with restaurant marketing?
 
2013-04-05 01:48:44 PM

xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.


You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.
 
2013-04-05 01:48:53 PM

lostcat: I'm waiting for Machete Mondays.


Samurai Saturday!
 
2013-04-05 01:49:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.

Yep.  Your right.  I'm sure we'll be reading a story about someone getting shot there by next Wednesday.

//sarcasm.

Pretty much all you got.

I enjoyed the article about the responsible gun owner that offed his baby while trying to holster his gun. So many isolated incidents, good thing they're isolated.


How many bullets fired per incident?  Isn't that the equivalent of accidents per mile with cars?
 
2013-04-05 01:50:21 PM

scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.


Exactly.  I carry an epi pen just in case I develop a food allergy.
 
2013-04-05 01:50:55 PM
If I had a pistol (with a holster and a CCP), I'd damn well openly wear it around my waist for 10% off some awesome Gumbo and the rest of my tab.

That's just smart thinking.

Then, (as I'm sure almost every single patron at this place will do) I'd take the holster off and go about my normal daily routine...sans pistol.
 
2013-04-05 01:50:59 PM

umad: lostcat: What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.

They aren't calling you a pussy because you refuse to carry a gun. They are calling you a pussy because just the thought of somebody else carrying a gun in your vicinity freaks you the fark out and brings out your inner authoritarian.


You've just made an ass out of u and me.
 
2013-04-05 01:52:22 PM

kombat_unit: FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]

Ok flashharry, how is your tiny penis?


well, i don't need to open carry.
 
2013-04-05 01:52:25 PM

memtastic: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

Exactly.  I carry an epi pen just in case I develop a food allergy.


Benedryl is a good one to keep around in your first aid kit.  Just in case.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:00 PM

master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.


Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

/sad but true internet tough guy
 
2013-04-05 01:54:04 PM

master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.


Well Ive never wanted to own a gun much less carry one, and I didn't piss myself and go fetal when I had one pointed at me.(though I did follow instructions carefully. It seemed prudent)

But I guess anecdote isn't data.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:16 PM

lostcat: umad: lostcat: What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.

They aren't calling you a pussy because you refuse to carry a gun. They are calling you a pussy because just the thought of somebody else carrying a gun in your vicinity freaks you the fark out and brings out your inner authoritarian.

You've just made an ass out of u and me.


Yet I'm right the fark on. You wouldn't be so "concerned" otherwise.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:46 PM
So someone with an unmedicated, bizarre form of paranoia that leaves them in such jorts-pissing terror of unfamiliar people is free to exercise his first amendment rights but not his second amendment ones?

Your Constitution does not work that way. The reasons for exercising your rights are not relevant. You can always do these things. That is why they are called rights.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:48 PM

lostcat: I'm waiting for Machete Mondays.


Thompson Tuesdays
Walther Wednesdays
Reload Thursdays (all shots half off!)
Flamethrower Fridays

I have a feeling that this story is going to have an awesome follow-up.
 
2013-04-05 01:55:56 PM

lostcat: /sad but true internet tough guy


Yeah, I bet you're a real badass.
 
2013-04-05 01:56:27 PM

scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.


No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?
 
2013-04-05 01:57:02 PM

bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.


This was the first thing I thought...
 
2013-04-05 01:57:34 PM
Would dearly love to see some idiot try to rob the place.
 
2013-04-05 02:00:23 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: lostcat: I'm waiting for Machete Mondays.

Thompson Tuesdays
Walther Wednesdays
Reload Thursdays (all shots half off!)
Flamethrower Fridays

I have a feeling that this story is going to have an awesome follow-up.


Heh. The bar down the street from my dorm had $1 shots on Thursdays.

/remembers the year they put carpets in the dorm elevators.
//gross.
 
2013-04-05 02:00:27 PM

Allen. The end.: bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.

This was the first thing I thought...


I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.
 
2013-04-05 02:01:18 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?


My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.
 
2013-04-05 02:03:11 PM

Jeeb: You know where I would never feel the need to carry a gun?

Leesburg


This man speaks truth. Leesburg Virginia - the county seat of the perennial highest per capita income of any county in the United States (it trades back and forth with Arlington/Fairfax VA in the top 3 year to year) .

It ain't exactly Eight Mile, Southeast DC, or Cherry Hill in Baltimore.
 
2013-04-05 02:05:58 PM
The Stupid Tag?

Yeah well I gotta a problem with that.  The posters at Fark tend to lean to the left.  So be it.  They also tend to lean to the cruel, uncaring (except about cats in trees rescued by retired firefighters), narrow minded and well I could go on but I won't.

Being able to defend yourself should be a human right.  Not just for Americans but for every citizen of every country.  And let's just put this to rest that this argument is about gun safety.  It isn't and it never has been.  If safety of our devices were the predominate criteria for legal ownership cars would go a maximum of fifteen miles an hour.  The argument is about fear.  Those that fear people with guns and those that fear people will take away a constitutionally protected right.

No person should be defenseless in their own home or on the streets of their own city or country.  Whether they are defending themselves against simple thugs or their own government.  Mandating defenseless citizenry is simply an outmoded archaic type of thinking.  Those that continue it in any form are intellectual dinosaurs.
 
2013-04-05 02:06:00 PM

scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.


Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.
 
2013-04-05 02:06:09 PM

lostcat: master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

/sad but true internet tough guy


I'm 6'2" and weigh 240.  So what.
Your both a dick and a pussy at the same time I see.
 
2013-04-05 02:06:22 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?


You're required to wear a seat belt in your state?  We don't even have helmet laws, sales or income tax.
 
2013-04-05 02:08:26 PM

Ned Stark: Heh. The bar down the street from my dorm had $1 shots on Thursdays.

/remembers the year they put carpets in the dorm elevators.
//gross.


Chancey's, Radford Univ. circa 1986:  NICKEL BEERS

Yeah, that's 20 cups of 12 oz golden goodness on a lunch platter for a dollar.

/ Hokie
// DD back to Tech sucked
 
2013-04-05 02:09:00 PM
Men who open carry are like guys who obsessively show people they know and don't know that they have a condom in their wallet.
 
2013-04-05 02:09:12 PM
My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.
 
2013-04-05 02:10:06 PM

xalres: I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.


Here's your challenge for the day.  Find me an example of a ccw carrier using his weapon in an attempt to stop a crime and instead shooting an innocent bystander.

I think what you'll find is that when bystanders get hit, the gunfire comes from the bad guy or the cops.
 
2013-04-05 02:12:52 PM

JustGetItRight: I think what you'll find is that when bystanders get hit, the gunfire comes from the bad guy


By definition.
 
2013-04-05 02:12:53 PM
You know what I like to do? I like to take it out and rest it on the counter when I'm eating.

// Likes to eat standing up.
 
2013-04-05 02:13:09 PM

BgJonson79: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

You're required to wear a seat belt in your state?  We don't even have helmet laws, sales or income tax.


Yeah. It's a ticketable offense. As is talking/texting on a cell phone.
 
2013-04-05 02:13:34 PM

master_dman: lostcat: master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

/sad but true internet tough guy

I'm 6'2" and weigh 240.  So what.
Your both a dick and a pussy at the same time I see.


Could you assholes just leave and start making out already?
 
2013-04-05 02:13:56 PM

JustGetItRight: xalres: I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.

Here's your challenge for the day.  Find me an example of a ccw carrier using his weapon in an attempt to stop a crime and instead shooting an innocent bystander.


I am aware of one incident. I am aware of absolutely no other incidents.
 
2013-04-05 02:14:26 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.



The government cannot guarantee the safety of its citizens. Protecting oneself and family is a personal duty and the government should not impede the ability of responsible adults to defend themselves.

Criminals carry concealed weapons regardless of their legality. Responsible citizens should have the same advantages when it comes to protecting themselves from armed attackers.

If I have the right, ability and proper training why should I put myself at a disadvantage when out in public or at home for that matter?

Better to carry and not need it then to need it and not carry.
 
2013-04-05 02:15:30 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.


Safety.  This takes us back to my analogy.  You don't wear a seat belt because you are afraid.  You wear it to be safe.  A seat belt is a tool that you use to help mitigate unexpected danger.  A firearm is also a tool that can be used towards the same purpose.  It is not an indication of fear or paranoia, any more than your seat belt is.
 
2013-04-05 02:16:25 PM

master_dman: noitsnot: I'm waiting for all the "accidentally shot self in leg, groin, or belly" stories.  Bring 'em on.

Is this all you whiny pussies got?
You just parrot on about all the bad things that are gonna happen..

OK.  I'll play.

Lets wait and see how many people in this place shoot themselves.  Lets all watch very carefully and see when someone gets shot.  I'm guessing your bet is what?  A day?  A week maybe?

I'll go out on a limb here and say... never.
Also.. when I say "somebody gets shot".. I mean one of the patrons shoots themselves or someone else as an accident.  If a patron shoots some thug trying to rob the place.. that doesn't count.

Deal?


Sure -  Deal.  I think that people that feel they need to carry a gun in Sears will either shoot themselves or the stock boy, because they're stupid people, and stupid people do stupid things.
 
2013-04-05 02:16:46 PM
Why do some people try to link having a gun to penis size?
That seems to imply that the proper way to handle confrontations and defend yourself is to drop trow and play 'swords' with the opponent.
 
2013-04-05 02:17:10 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.


Because in the unlikely event that my life is threatened, I like to have the tools to defend myself. I also used to obey "Gun Free Zones," too. I don't do that anymore after a fight at a party I was at. The house wasn't on campus, but was close enough that it was probable I would walk through it at some point. A fight broke out, everyone involved seemed over it, then an SUV came up around midnight, 7 guys poured out, and after kicking down the door and throwing a brick through a window, my friend was shot in the hip. Sure was glad I obeyed the signage at that point. Also glad that gun laws are being passed to make it harder to get guns. The shooter never would have gotten that stolen G23 with those in place.
 
2013-04-05 02:18:18 PM
I hold a Kentucky-issue concealed weapons permit. As a matter of habit, I carry where prohibited neither by law nor by policy. Policy includes my workplace, law includes government buildings (local, state or federal), establishments where more than 50% of income is derived from the sale of alcohol for consumption upon the premises (this has affected be exactly once, as I do not socialize frequently and I never consume alcohol in public) and when in legal jurisdictions where my permit is not recognized (such as Washington, DC or New York).

I experience no feeling of decreased safety nor of increased fear when not carrying. I traveled extensively in the District of Columbia by bicycle at various times of day without any concern of being robbed or otherwise attacked unprovoked. I have walked and made use of public transit in the city of New York and I felt no such concerns there, either. I have no fear of being attacked while working, nor do I anticipate being the victim of a violent crime when I enter any government building.

Individuals who believe that concealed weapons permit holders experience fear when not armed may wish to reconsider the universal validity of their premise.
 
2013-04-05 02:20:14 PM

FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]


How tiny is your penis?
 
2013-04-05 02:20:28 PM

graeth: Why do some people try to link having a gun to penis size?
That seems to imply that the proper way to handle confrontations and defend yourself is to drop trow and play 'swords' with the opponent.


I have hypothesized -- though without testing -- that opponents of allowing civilians to carry firearms experience a disproportionate likelihood to be obsessed with male genitalia, which would explain the frequency by which such opponents inadvertently make inappropriate references to male genitalia in discussions.
 
2013-04-05 02:20:54 PM
lostcat:

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

You need to be real careful then buddy.  You're right, you are more likely to get shot.

Get help, and stay away from others if you can't behave like a human being.
 
2013-04-05 02:21:49 PM

Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.


I do prefer open carry to concealed carry. I don't really get the midset underpinning the desire to be armed at all times but also don't have anything against it as a right, really.

But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?
 
2013-04-05 02:22:02 PM

Frogfoot: The Stupid Tag?

No person should be defenseless in their own home or on the streets of their own city or country.  Whether they are defending themselves against simple thugs or their own government.  Mandating defenseless citizenry is simply an outmoded archaic type of thinking.  Those that continue it in any form are intellectual dinosaurs.


Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

The fact is that you could wear a suit made entirely of handguns and still pose no threat whatsoever to your own government. The only other reasons to carry a weapon are to defend yourself from random criminal bogeymen (which is not unreasonable if you live somewhere that this is a common threat), to protect yourself from specific problems you enabled by associating with certain people or acting like a jerk, or to be some kind of instant vigilante.

There are reasonable trains of thought that could lead people to any of these three conclusions, but there are also a lot of wide, well-travelled highways from crazytown that end up in that same place. It doesn't matter which is which because, again, it's perfectly legal.
 
2013-04-05 02:22:37 PM

pnome: lostcat:

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

You need to be real careful then buddy.  You're right, you are more likely to get shot.

Get help, and stay away from others if you can't behave like a human being.


In what uncivilized nations is threatening, without provocation, to inflict grievous bodily injury justification for a potential victim to use potentially lethal force? Do not violent thugs enjoy a right to victimize others without risk or fear of injury?
 
2013-04-05 02:22:48 PM
Right now if you are in a state that allows CC a/o OC of the 100 adults closest to you who are not in a "Gun Free Zone", and who are not LEO's, at least one of them has a gun on them, and in most states odds are very very good that 5 or more are armed. Yet odds are also that you will never witness a shooting of any kind in your life.

Lawful carriers have been statistically shown to commit far less violent crimes than the average citizen. It is almost as if the sort of people that trust themselves to lawfully own and carry a firearm tend to be the kind of people who don't run around doing stupid, illegal, or dangerous things. How strange is that?
 
2013-04-05 02:22:53 PM

scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.

Safety.  This takes us back to my analogy.  You don't wear a seat belt because you are afraid.  You wear it to be safe.  A seat belt is a tool that you use to help mitigate unexpected danger.  A firearm is also a tool that can be used towards the same purpose.  It is not an indication of fear or paranoia, any more than your seat belt is.


I guess that's the heart of the disagreement. What you see as being safe I see as being paranoid. Agree to disagree I suppose. And not for nothing but it's incredibly difficult to kill someone, accidentally or otherwise,  with a seatbelt.
 
2013-04-05 02:24:23 PM

Ned Stark: Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.

I do prefer open carry to concealed carry. I don't really get the midset underpinning the desire to be armed at all times but also don't have anything against it as a right, really.

But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?

What exactly would it change if you knew?

 
2013-04-05 02:25:49 PM
Fart gets trollbait articles about restaurants and other establishments that allow firearms on premise all the time and the gun nuts goes their nutty routine every time.

Maybe Fark should meet them half way and start linking to stories about the dozens of shooting that must happen a day in these places to shut them up?
 
2013-04-05 02:26:47 PM

pnome: lostcat:

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

You need to be real careful then buddy.  You're right, you are more likely to get shot.

Get help, and stay away from others if you can't behave like a human being.


And for God's sake, don't admit to this shiat in a gun control discussion ever again.  You *were* winning.
 
2013-04-05 02:27:20 PM

Dimensio: JustGetItRight: xalres: I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.

Here's your challenge for the day.  Find me an example of a ccw carrier using his weapon in an attempt to stop a crime and instead shooting an innocent bystander.

I am aware of one incident. I am aware of absolutely no other incidents.


I remember that one and some extended research may turn up one or two more, but the overwhelming results will be that the CCW holder a) didn't draw b) drew, but didn't fire or c) successfully engaged (defined as shot or drove off) the offender.

Despite gun hater's claims and hopes, the evidence is undeniable that concealed carry holders exercise outstanding judgement in these situations.
 
2013-04-05 02:27:36 PM

umad: lostcat: umad: lostcat: What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.

They aren't calling you a pussy because you refuse to carry a gun. They are calling you a pussy because just the thought of somebody else carrying a gun in your vicinity freaks you the fark out and brings out your inner authoritarian.

You've just made an ass out of u and me.

Yet I'm right the fark on. You wouldn't be so "concerned" otherwise.


If I were concerned, I'd do something more than argue on a Fark thread.
 
2013-04-05 02:27:37 PM

IoSaturnalia: You *were* winning.


In the Charlie Sheen sense of the word I suppose.
 
2013-04-05 02:29:08 PM

super_grass: Fart gets trollbait articles about restaurants and other establishments that allow firearms on premise all the time and the gun nuts goes their nutty routine every time.

Maybe Fark should meet them half way and start linking to stories about the dozens of shooting that must happen a day in these places to shut them up?


I guess if it helps, I have a state issued CCW permit - feel free to add me to ignore because of it.

These articles bring out the nuts on both sides not just the pro side.
 
2013-04-05 02:29:16 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

My analogy was not about safety.  It was about fear.   You claim we carry out of fear.  Ergo, you must wear a seat belt out of fear.  If you don't wear your seat belt out of fear, then it is *possible* we may carry for reasons other than fear.

Such as...

What other reasons are there for people to carry a weapon on their person at all times everywhere they go? I'm genuinely interested because I haven't heard one explanation that didn't boil down to general paranoia about ubiquitous crime.

Safety.  This takes us back to my analogy.  You don't wear a seat belt because you are afraid.  You wear it to be safe.  A seat belt is a tool that you use to help mitigate unexpected danger.  A firearm is also a tool that can be used towards the same purpose.  It is not an indication of fear or paranoia, any more than your seat belt is.

I guess that's the heart of the disagreement. What you see as being safe I see as being paranoid. Agree to disagree I suppose. And not for nothing but it's incredibly difficult to kill someone, accidentally or otherwise,  with a seatbelt.


Of course, the tools are specific to the danger they are meant to mitigate.  I have had "just in case" happen to me*.  So perhaps I have a slightly different perspective.

*No shots fired.  The mere presence of my firearm deterred any further attack.
 
2013-04-05 02:29:47 PM

IoSaturnalia: pnome: lostcat:

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

You need to be real careful then buddy.  You're right, you are more likely to get shot.

Get help, and stay away from others if you can't behave like a human being.

And for God's sake, don't admit to this shiat in a gun control discussion ever again.  You *were* winning.


There is no "winning" in Fark thread arguments.

There's just people passing time while eating their lunch, and people getting the social interaction and attention they so desparately crave.
 
2013-04-05 02:30:12 PM

lostcat: If I were concerned, I'd do something more than argue on a Fark thread.


Yeah, I bet you would walk around looking for open-carriers so you could rip their arms out and beat them to death with them. Being the absolute badass you are, that is.
 
2013-04-05 02:30:19 PM
Hero tag or spiffy tag seems more appropriate.  Smart business move if sales increase.  Kudos to the owner for picking up the tab for the gentleman who said he would not be back
 
2013-04-05 02:31:29 PM

Flakeloaf: Frogfoot: The Stupid Tag?

No person should be defenseless in their own home or on the streets of their own city or country.  Whether they are defending themselves against simple thugs or their own government.  Mandating defenseless citizenry is simply an outmoded archaic type of thinking.  Those that continue it in any form are intellectual dinosaurs.

Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

The fact is that you could wear a suit made entirely of handguns and still pose no threat whatsoever to your own government. The only other reasons to carry a weapon are to defend yourself from random criminal bogeymen (which is not unreasonable if you live somewhere that this is a common threat), to protect yourself from specific problems you enabled by associating with certain people or acting like a jerk, or to be some kind of instant vigilante.

There are reasonable trains of thought that could lead people to any of these three conclusions, but there are also a lot of wide, well-travelled highways from crazytown that end up in that same place. It doesn't matter which is which because, again, it's perfectly legal.


Canada allows citizens to own guns in their home; they actually are able to import some cooler guns than here in America. Every home in Sweden has a gun. Every one. The Finns can own guns as well. If there was anywhere I would want a gun, it would be the UK. They have an enormous violent crime problem. Japan's culture is so homogenous and different than anywhere else that it's really not even worth mentioning. The odds of committing suicide are much higher than being mugged IIRC.
 
2013-04-05 02:32:32 PM

umad: lostcat: If I were concerned, I'd do something more than argue on a Fark thread.

Yeah, I bet you would walk around looking for open-carriers so you could rip their arms out and beat them to death with them. Being the absolute badass you are, that is.


Pretty much. And I guess that you would hide in the trunk of a car and snipe people through a small hole you've cut into it, along with your teenage companion...For all the sense that your comment made.
 
2013-04-05 02:32:47 PM
I predict that absolutely nothing will result from this. No robberies will be attempted (and subsequently stopped in progress), nor will any lawfully armed patron shoot someone while in the restaurant. Crime rates in the surrounding area will increase or decrease based upon statewide trends, with no unexpected shift.
 
2013-04-05 02:32:59 PM
olddinosaur:  Should have earned the HERO tag.
Every day they take more money and more freedom away from us, under the excuse "--it's for your own good!"
Every day we put up with it, because this country is a nation of wussies.
You Farkers loudly defend the use of marijuana, but when it comes to the right of self defense your silence is deafening.
Double standard as usual, or just a yellow belly.


Let's see, most Libertarians defend the use of marijuana, and most, if not all,  Libertarians are pro-gun, so you are full of shiat.
 
2013-04-05 02:38:02 PM

super_grass: Fart gets trollbait articles about restaurants and other establishments that allow firearms on premise all the time and the gun nuts goes their nutty routine every time.

Maybe Fark should meet them half way and start linking to stories about the dozens of shooting that must happen a day in these places to shut them up?


Please do.
I've seen exactly ONE.

Would you like to see the HUNDREDS of times a law abiding citizen has stopped a criminal in their home or out about town?
 
2013-04-05 02:38:14 PM

Trilithon: Ned Stark: Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.

I do prefer open carry to concealed carry. I don't really get the midset underpinning the desire to be armed at all times but also don't have anything against it as a right, really.

But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?

What exactly would it change if you knew?


Me? Probably not much. I dont care either way. But it is a nontrivial piece of information bearing upon the balance of power for all around you. People who DO care (and I think this thread demonstrates that they exist) should be able to know.
 
2013-04-05 02:40:04 PM

lostcat: umad: lostcat: If I were concerned, I'd do something more than argue on a Fark thread.

Yeah, I bet you would walk around looking for open-carriers so you could rip their arms out and beat them to death with them. Being the absolute badass you are, that is.

Pretty much. And I guess that you would hide in the trunk of a car and snipe people through a small hole you've cut into it, along with your teenage companion...For all the sense that your comment made.


Nah. I'm over 6', 220 too, so I'm a badass just like you. When I have a problem with somebody I just beat them to death with my huge cock.
 
2013-04-05 02:41:53 PM

Fark France: Flakeloaf: Frogfoot: The Stupid Tag?

No person should be defenseless in their own home or on the streets of their own city or country.  Whether they are defending themselves against simple thugs or their own government.  Mandating defenseless citizenry is simply an outmoded archaic type of thinking.  Those that continue it in any form are intellectual dinosaurs.

Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

The fact is that you could wear a suit made entirely of handguns and still pose no threat whatsoever to your own government. The only other reasons to carry a weapon are to defend yourself from random criminal bogeymen (which is not unreasonable if you live somewhere that this is a common threat), to protect yourself from specific problems you enabled by associating with certain people or acting like a jerk, or to be some kind of instant vigilante.

There are reasonable trains of thought that could lead people to any of these three conclusions, but there are also a lot of wide, well-travelled highways from crazytown that end up in that same place. It doesn't matter which is which because, again, it's perfectly legal.

Canada allows citizens to own guns in their home; they actually are able to import some cooler guns than here in America. Every home in Sweden has a gun. Every one. The Finns can own guns as well. If there was anywhere I would want a gun, it would be the UK. They have an enormous violent crime problem. Japan's culture is so homogenous and different than anywhere else that it's really not even worth mentioning. The odds of committing suicide are much higher than being mugged IIRC.


Legal gun owners in Canada cannot keep their weapons in any state that would allow them to be used for self defense in a way a bat could not. Swedish weapons are there for military conscripts, with ammunition in a sealed, accountable container. Finnish gun owners must actually prove they use their guns for a legitimate purpose (hunting, sport shooting etc) and while I don't know much about their storage laws I don't imagine they include loaded weapons in pockets. Japan's weapon policy is an artefact of their surrender agreement and probably not something I should've introduced here. None of those countries allows carrying in any form while out in public, though I wholeheartedly agree that the UK is at the top of the list of countries that should because holy crap.
 
2013-04-05 02:43:29 PM

BgJonson79: FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]

I heard Ron Jeremy loves guns :-P


According to Freud, fear of firearms implies sexual immaturity. Guess that's why they're always so obsessed with penii?
 
2013-04-05 02:43:59 PM
Flakeloaf

Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

Yep, those "old dinosaurs," whose populations have little white trash, and almost no blacks or Hispanics (our prison make-up demographic), are surely safer than we are in the US.

Japan - Almost all Japanese
Canada - Almost all white
UK - Mostly white
France - Mostly white
Poland - Almost all white
Finland - Almost all white
India - Almost all Indian
Sweden - Almost all white
NZ - Almost all white
Switzerland - Almost all white

See a pattern here? All of the countries with the lowest violent crime rates never substantially integrated like the U.S. did.

But of course you just pulled that from Wiki, without ever putting any thought into the reasons why they have such low violent crime rates in those countries. Basically, "old dinosaur" means "racist country" with respect to your comment.
 
2013-04-05 02:47:06 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Flakeloaf

Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

Yep, those "old dinosaurs," whose populations have little white trash, and almost no blacks or Hispanics (our prison make-up demographic), are surely safer than we are in the US.

Japan - Almost all Japanese
Canada - Almost all white
UK - Mostly white
France - Mostly white
Poland - Almost all white
Finland - Almost all white
India - Almost all Indian
Sweden - Almost all white
NZ - Almost all white
Switzerland - Almost all white

See a pattern here? All of the countries with the lowest violent crime rates never substantially integrated like the U.S. did.

But of course you just pulled that from Wiki, without ever putting any thought into the reasons why they have such low violent crime rates in those countries. Basically, "old dinosaur" means "racist country" with respect to your comment.


Got to "almost all Indian", laughed, dissmissed your point.
 
2013-04-05 02:47:34 PM
America: still crazy about guns, in every sense of the word.
 
2013-04-05 02:47:43 PM
I can't holster my FAL, can i still bring it to your eating establishment?
 
2013-04-05 02:49:02 PM
"People are suspicious of what they do not know-and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

"Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

"The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife -- there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife."



from "The Anti-gun Male", Julia Gorin
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin030802.asp
 
2013-04-05 02:49:28 PM

Ned Stark: Trilithon: Ned Stark: Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.

I do prefer open carry to concealed carry. I don't really get the midset underpinning the desire to be armed at all times but also don't have anything against it as a right, really.

But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?

What exactly would it change if you knew?

Me? Probably not much. I dont care either way. But it is a nontrivial piece of information bearing upon the balance of power for all around you. People who DO care (and I think this thread demonstrates that they exist) should be able to know.


FYI, I carry concealed now that I have a permit - I never carry or carried open, I don't need that attention.

I still don't understand how the info about me carrying concealed changes the way others around me perceive me.

Should permit holders have signs on their foreheads? If so, I guess we should all just open carry and forgo the training and background checks that are at least required in my state.

If someone knew I was carrying would they be less of a dbag? Why do they need to know I am a lawful armed citizen?
 
2013-04-05 02:52:06 PM

Jument: America: still crazy about guns, in every sense of the word.


Got to have hobbies man!
 
2013-04-05 02:52:37 PM

doglover: xenophon10k: I don't trust most other people

That's really the crux of it.

Most people who want guns taken away do so because they don't trust other people. It's a kind of personality disorder on par with the gun nuts who stockpile ammo and chem toilets for Ruby Ridge 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I, on the other hand, trust most people with most things. I've often been drinking with people armed to the teeth with knives and firearms while camping. I've even argued with them heatedly. No one's ever even considered pulling a weapon because that's not what civilized people do.

But instead of making better people, we just try to legislate away our problems these days. It's very much something our grandparents would not approve of.


Trust is the belief that you can predict another person's behavior with an acceptable degree of confidence.  It really boils down to what's acceptable to you.

Note that it's entirely possible to trust someone to fark you over the first chance he gets.
 
2013-04-05 02:52:52 PM
Ned Stark

Sure you dismissed my point. You agreed with everything before and after the "Indian" remark, and read everything I wrote.
 
2013-04-05 02:54:31 PM
Freedom costs a buck o five
 
2013-04-05 02:55:24 PM

Trilithon: Ned Stark: Trilithon: Ned Stark: Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. Of course, when 'Joe Blow' with a gun starts firing to defend himself against a threat, he won't be firing accurately. Show me all the targets at the range you want, but a firing range is NOT a busy highway. The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have. The carrying of a weapon also changes the dynamic of his own opinion, rendering his views to be allowed to be much more severe, less able to empathize with those who choose not to carry a deadly weapon with them, and give him a sense of power that may or may not be false. Cover this with the idea of "rights" or "defense", and you get a bunch of guys arguing on the internet about...oh, wait.

I do prefer open carry to concealed carry. I don't really get the midset underpinning the desire to be armed at all times but also don't have anything against it as a right, really.

But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?

What exactly would it change if you knew?

Me? Probably not much. I dont care either way. But it is a nontrivial piece of information bearing upon the balance of power for all around you. People who DO care (and I think this thread demonstrates that they exist) should be able to know.

FYI, I carry concealed now that I have a permit - I never carry or carried open, I don't need that attention.

I still don't understand how the info about me carrying concealed changes the way others around me perceive me.

Should permit holders have signs on their foreheads? If so, I guess we should all just open carry and forgo the training and background checks that are at least required in my state.

If someone knew I was carrying would they be less of a dbag? Why do they need to know I am a lawful armed citizen?


They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.
 
2013-04-05 02:58:20 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Flakeloaf

Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

Yep, those "old dinosaurs," whose populations have little white trash, and almost no blacks or Hispanics (our prison make-up demographic), are surely safer than we are in the US.

Japan - Almost all Japanese
Canada - Almost all white
UK - Mostly white
France - Mostly white
Poland - Almost all white
Finland - Almost all white
India - Almost all Indian
Sweden - Almost all white
NZ - Almost all white
Switzerland - Almost all white

See a pattern here? All of the countries with the lowest violent crime rates never substantially integrated like the U.S. did.

But of course you just pulled that from Wiki, without ever putting any thought into the reasons why they have such low violent crime rates in those countries. Basically, "old dinosaur" means "racist country" with respect to your comment.


So what you're saying is that you need to carry guns because you're afraid of negroes, that everyone with pale skin is culturally and ideologically identical, and that you know nothing about Indian, Canadian or French demographics.
 
2013-04-05 02:59:02 PM

Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.


You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.
 
2013-04-05 03:05:44 PM

xalres: BgJonson79: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

You're required to wear a seat belt in your state?  We don't even have helmet laws, sales or income tax.

Yeah. It's a ticketable offense. As is talking/texting on a cell phone.


They just added "distracting driving" to our list on Jan 1.
 
2013-04-05 03:12:07 PM

Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.


Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.
 
2013-04-05 03:16:40 PM
 

arentol: Lawful carriers have been statistically shown to commit far less violent crimes than the average citizen


You are saying that average citizens shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms.  Is your mind blown yet?
 
2013-04-05 03:17:04 PM
I would not frequent a restaurant that allows patrons to walk around with open carafes of hot coffee. Seriously.

Loaded firearms all 'round? I wouldn't even be willing to dine with close relatives like that.
 
2013-04-05 03:17:45 PM

Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.


Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.
 
2013-04-05 03:18:45 PM

Watubi: arentol: Lawful carriers have been statistically shown to commit far less violent crimes than the average citizen

You are saying that average citizens shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms.  Is your mind blown yet?


In many states, "average citizens" are not permitted to carry firearms.
 
2013-04-05 03:23:39 PM

lostcat: master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.

Another bad assumption. I have anger-management isssues, I'm 6' and weigh over 220. I'm the last person who would cower when someone is being an asshole. I'm more likely to be shot my some coward who feels threatened by me when I lose my temper and start getting up in their face.

/sad but true internet tough guy



I find it amusing you admit you want other people disarmed so you can be safer when you lose your temper with people who are physically inferior to you.

And some people really don't get why other people choose to carry concealed...
 
2013-04-05 03:23:55 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Flakeloaf

Canada - Almost all white


Vancouver and Toronto are nearly 40% visible minorities.
 
2013-04-05 03:25:10 PM

Dimensio: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.

Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.


"Need"? I certainly haven't posited that it would save lives or any such thing. Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.
 
2013-04-05 03:29:37 PM

Ned Stark: Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.


Perhaps you could point out where this right is listed in our constitution.
 
2013-04-05 03:29:59 PM

Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.

Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.

"Need"? I certainly haven't posited that it would save lives or any such thing. Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.


Then you should be able to identify a legal document wherein such a right is enumerated and protected. Please do so.
 
2013-04-05 03:32:07 PM

Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.

Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.

"Need"? I certainly haven't posited that it would save lives or any such thing. Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.


Do people have the right to know if I'm carrying the flu?  I mean, I could kill a restaurant from the door.  Should I have to wear an armband or something?

Just curious how much personal information should be shared in the interests of public unease.
 
2013-04-05 03:34:24 PM

ha-ha-guy: Ah yeah, open carry, so the impulse criminal knows all he has to do is bash you in the head with a rock and suddenly he has a gun.


Surely you wouldn't make a statement like this without being able to back it up with actual examples of it happening.

Surely.
 
2013-04-05 03:40:29 PM

knbwhite: B) Probability suggests that there weren't at least a half-dozen guns in the Aurora movie theater when James Holmes started shooting. Nobody pulled one. Making me think that, even among gun carriers, "get the fark out of here" is the natural response to such a situation, not "big damned hero".

That's an interesting point about the Aurora theater. I wonder if any of the patrons did have a gun, but chose not to use it due to the confusion of the situation. Then again, perhaps no gun owners were of the mind that they wanted to go see a midnight premier of a batman movie.


It's also a possibility that since the folks running the theater have made it known that they don't want guns there, the folks who carry decided to take their business elsewhere. That's what I did.
 
2013-04-05 03:41:43 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: ha-ha-guy: Ah yeah, open carry, so the impulse criminal knows all he has to do is bash you in the head with a rock and suddenly he has a gun.

Surely you wouldn't make a statement like this without being able to back it up with actual examples of it happening.

Surely.


Just like people telling me that I would be first to be shot by a robber during a robbery because I had a concealed weapon. Robbers are now equipped with x-ray vision I guess, either that or you are doing it wrong.

Stats and examples, whar they?
 
2013-04-05 03:44:14 PM

umad: Ned Stark: Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.

Perhaps you could point out where this right is listed in our constitution.


Its not there, obviously. But we've been over the constitutions woefully inadequacy and ineffectiveness before. I could perhaps make a case for the right being implied by a tortured reading of the third amendment. Would be nifty to be the first court case to cite it.
 
2013-04-05 03:44:54 PM
This place is sure to be an oasis in the criminal hotbed of Leesburg

2010 Crime (Actual Data)* Incidents
Aggravated Assault 34
Arson 3
Burglary 42
Forcible Rape 13
Larceny and Theft 679
Motor Vehicle Theft 32
Murder and Manslaughter 0
Robbery 10

Crime Rate (Total Incidents) 827
Property Crime 753
Violent Crime
 
2013-04-05 03:53:33 PM

Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.


So instead you want to out a large group of people, a group statistically proven to be less dangerous than the average person because... you're afraid? Tell me, did you also support that newspaper that made a map of every CCW holder in that one NY district?

Hell, if we're going to arbitrarily violate others rights to privacy I think everyone should have to submit their harddrives to their employers, the government, anyone that asks, ect, ect, just to prove you aren't a terrorist and or muslim pedophile. Think of the children!
 
2013-04-05 03:58:53 PM

GUTSU: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

So instead you want to out a large group of people, a group statistically proven to be less dangerous than the average person because... you're afraid? Tell me, did you also support that newspaper that made a map of every CCW holder in that one NY district?

Hell, if we're going to arbitrarily violate others rights to privacy I think everyone should have to submit their harddrives to their employers, the government, anyone that asks, ect, ect, just to prove you aren't a terrorist and or muslim pedophile. Think of the children!


I think everyone should be fitted with a government-issued GPS ankle monitor. Just think of all the crime we could stop!
 
2013-04-05 03:59:01 PM

wejash: A hero with a concealed carry sidearm opened fire last yr to protect patrons at Cracker Barrel here. Well he tried to shoot his cousin for pissing him off but I'm confident the offensive look or talk was definitely dangerous enough to justify 5-6 rounds fired off.

Fortunately the gun was in the hands of a law-abiding and responsible citizen. Well, right up to the moment he wasn't...and such an exciting moment for all concerned. The NRA just bringing some random excitement to us all. You're welcome.



Right, because it's a good idea to judge all 80 million gun owners based upon the findings in a single instance.


Good show!!!
 
2013-04-05 04:00:10 PM
Thought of this for some reason.....sorry...

minimalchanges.com
 
2013-04-05 04:00:21 PM

master_dman: give me doughnuts: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: HotWingConspiracy: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

Doesn't mean you won't get shot there.

Yep.  Your right.  I'm sure we'll be reading a story about someone getting shot there by next Wednesday.

//sarcasm.

Pretty much all you got.

I enjoyed the article about the responsible gun owner that offed his baby while trying to holster his gun. So many isolated incidents, good thing they're isolated.

Between 800 and 1000 gun-shot deaths per year are classed as accidental. If they were all to the person who was clumsily or negligently handling the weapon, I would say this is a good thing (Darwin Award candidates), but all too often somebody else catches the bullet.

citation needed.


According to the CDC, there were 606 deaths due to "accidental discharge of firearms" in 2010. It seems my estimates were a bit too high.
 
2013-04-05 04:00:57 PM

Trilithon: Jument: America: still crazy about guns, in every sense of the word.

Got to have hobbies man!


Do crosswords or fly kites, then?
 
2013-04-05 04:05:25 PM

BgJonson79: xalres: BgJonson79: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

You're required to wear a seat belt in your state?  We don't even have helmet laws, sales or income tax.

Yeah. It's a ticketable offense. As is talking/texting on a cell phone.

They just added "distracting driving" to our list on Jan 1.


I'm kinda torn when it comes to seatbelt and helmet laws as I tend to be pretty laissez faire when it comes to personal choice in things that don't effect others. If you're in that much of a hurry to die be my guest. But I can totally get behind the cellphone and texting laws. I've seen too many swerving, inattentive, short-stopping and over all drunk looking drivers that turned out to have their eyes buried in a phone screen when I went to pass them. At that point you're putting others at risk. Sad that we have to use the law to tell people not to be farking retards when piloting a few tons of steel at 70+ mph.
 
2013-04-05 04:06:22 PM

lostcat: GUTSU: lostcat: GUTSU: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

Wanting to be able to defend yourself is now being equated with being a pussy? You sure are grasping at straws, aren't you?

I think he's saying that because you apparently live in fear of everyone around you every moment of your life, you are a bit of a coward.

That's just my interpretation.

If he thinks people with guns live in constant fear, he's wrong. I use guns all the time and I'm not in constant fear I don't even think about my gun.
Why you people believe gun owners are paranoid schizophrenic's is beyond me, but I'm going to guess it's because you don't actually know any.

I've gone shooting with my friends who own guns.

I enjoy it.

But they don't feel the need to carry their guns around with them any time they leave the house.

That's called a "security blanket." Feeling safe only when you have something in your possession, and not feeling safe when you don't have it. Not that all people who want to carry have this issue, but reading these threads, I certainly have come across people who "feel safer" when they have their gun on them.

It would never occur to me that carrying a gun would make me feel safer. I feel pretty safe without one. I don't feel like I need weapons to go through life. I tend to talk to people and difuse any potentially bad situation. Maybe some people don't have that ability, so they feel they need a gun.

What I do say is that to call me a "pussy" because I don't feel the need to carry a deadly weapon around in public in order to feel safe is just backasswards.


Some people have careers or geographically just need to deal with a less than savory element of society. Not having the option to arm oneself would be imprudent. I'm glad you feel safe where you live, but where you live isn't the rest of the United States.
 
2013-04-05 04:08:51 PM

violentsalvation: Open carry in public for no reason is retarded. Attention whores.


Open carry in public brings gun ownership out of the closet.   I can't say how many people I"ve had either thing it's great that I do it, or people that were interested but didn't know it was legal, or other people who were surprised that I was a gun owner.   I'm a respectable, regular guy.  People I have known and didn't know I carried got to see that respectable and regular people carry.

Open carry is a GOOD thing.  Carrying isn't some deep dark secret to be hidden and never talked about.  YEs I understand some people want their concealed piece to go unknown, but the whole practice of carrying (there's tens of millions of concealed permit holders) needs to come out into the open.


CARRY ON!!!
 
2013-04-05 04:09:30 PM

GUTSU: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

So instead you want to out a large group of people, a group statistically proven to be less dangerous than the average person because... you're afraid? Tell me, did you also support that newspaper that made a map of every CCW holder in that one NY district?

Hell, if we're going to arbitrarily violate others rights to privacy I think everyone should have to submit their harddrives to their employers, the government, anyone that asks, ect, ect, just to prove you aren't a terrorist and or muslim pedophile. Think of the children!


You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways.
 
2013-04-05 04:09:35 PM

xalres: But I can totally get behind the cellphone and texting laws.


I can't. I don't think we went about them the right way. We shouldn't ban texting and driving. We should ban vehicles that make texting and driving possible. Who really needs an automatic transmission anyway? It even has the word "automatic" in it, so they are only good for doing evil.
 
2013-04-05 04:10:01 PM

Fark France: Canada allows citizens to own guns in their home; they actually are able to import some cooler guns than here in America. Every home in Sweden has a gun. Every one. The Finns can own guns as well. If there was anywhere I would want a gun, it would be the UK. They have an enormous violent crime problem. Japan's culture is so homogenous and different than anywhere else that it's really not even worth mentioning. The odds of committing suicide are much higher than being mugged IIRC.


And despite their very strict firearms laws, Japan still has a suicide rate three times that of the US with its ease of access to guns.
 
2013-04-05 04:11:28 PM

super_grass: Fart gets trollbait articles about restaurants and other establishments that allow firearms on premise all the time and the gun nuts goes their nutty routine every time.

Maybe Fark should meet them half way and start linking to stories about the dozens of shooting that must happen a day in these places to shut them up?


Like these?
http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu
 
2013-04-05 04:11:30 PM

Allen. The end.: My problem is this: the nature of the discussion of open carry is flawed. [...] The second point is that while 'Joe' has a gun, I do not. This changes the nature of the initial relationship between he and I, whether we are in the same restaurant or church, or just on the same sidewalk. His capacity to inflict harm is MUCH greater than mine, and his possession and presentation of a weapon changes the dynamic of any relationship we could have.


So you only hang out with people who are essentially your size and with a similar fighting skill?  That's...interesting.
 
2013-04-05 04:14:09 PM

Ned Stark: But do the rest of us not have a right to know when we are dealing with someone carrying a deadly weapon?


Not really, no.  Treat everyone as if they could be armed and kill you if you're a total asshole and you'll find that people treat you better, too...especially potential muggers.
 
2013-04-05 04:14:58 PM

xalres: BgJonson79: xalres: BgJonson79: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

You're required to wear a seat belt in your state?  We don't even have helmet laws, sales or income tax.

Yeah. It's a ticketable offense. As is talking/texting on a cell phone.

They just added "distracting driving" to our list on Jan 1.

I'm kinda torn when it comes to seatbelt and helmet laws as I tend to be pretty laissez faire when it comes to personal choice in things that don't effect others. If you're in that much of a hurry to die be my guest. But I can totally get behind the cellphone and texting laws. I've seen too many swerving, inattentive, short-stopping and over all drunk looking drivers that turned out to have their eyes buried in a phone screen when I went to pass them. At that point you're putting others at risk. Sad that we have to use the law to tell people not to be farking retards when piloting a few tons of steel at 70+ mph.


I tend to be in the same boat.  Don't protect me from me, but to protect me from others, without infringing on both of our rights.
 
2013-04-05 04:15:21 PM
I don't see what the big deal is with this restaurant and encouraging open carry.  I've been to places like this before.  I don't necessarily feel safer (than any other time) but I don't feel like I'm in any danger of being shot over the last french fry, either.  I guess I just don't really think about it either way.

I have always been intrigued by those who are against open carry, specifically.  It's ok to if you want to be armed, I just don't want to know?
 
2013-04-05 04:16:02 PM

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

So instead you want to out a large group of people, a group statistically proven to be less dangerous than the average person because... you're afraid? Tell me, did you also support that newspaper that made a map of every CCW holder in that one NY district?

Hell, if we're going to arbitrarily violate others rights to privacy I think everyone should have to submit their harddrives to their employers, the government, anyone that asks, ect, ect, just to prove you aren't a terrorist and or muslim pedophile. Think of the children!

You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways.


So you believe that the police can grab anyone on the street and give them cavity searches?
 
2013-04-05 04:19:14 PM
Any VA CCW holders here know how you can legally inform your waiter that you are carrying? Just showing the gun is out in most jurisdictions (you have a license to "carry concealed", not "carry usually concealed"). Do you just show your CCW permit? Do you ask him if he feels lucky? Do you, punk?

/Only time I felt threatened in Leesburg was while canvasing for Obama
//Looked in mirror, saw that the US needed big ol' white guys to knock on VA doors
///no gun needed
 
2013-04-05 04:22:44 PM

Ned Stark: You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways.


Sure you do, it's just diminished. Try taking some upskirt pics sometime if you don't believe me. Be sure to let me know how far your "no expectation of privacy" argument gets you.
 
2013-04-05 04:25:26 PM

yet_another_wumpus: Any VA CCW holders here know how you can legally inform your waiter that you are carrying? Just showing the gun is out in most jurisdictions (you have a license to "carry concealed", not "carry usually concealed"). Do you just show your CCW permit? Do you ask him if he feels lucky? Do you, punk?

/Only time I felt threatened in Leesburg was while canvasing for Obama
//Looked in mirror, saw that the US needed big ol' white guys to knock on VA doors
///no gun needed


Virgina does not restrict the openly displayed carrying of firearms. Before Virginia recently removed a prohibition upon carrying concealed firearms in any establishment where alcohol was served for consumption upon the premises (a repeal which, for some unusual reason, has not resulted in a substantial increase in shootings at bars and taverns), armed patrons would typically alter their clothing to openly display their firearm so that they would not be in violation of the law when inside a restaurant.

To my knowledge, concealed weapons permit holders are not prohibited by law from simply informing restaurant workers of their permit status, though I am unaware of any rational reason for a permitted patrons to divulge such information to a restaurant worker.
 
2013-04-05 04:31:45 PM

JoanHaus: Me, personally, I see a guy like that, with a gun, and I am anything BUT intimidated. One seriously hard slap in the face is all it's gonna take, to get that gun.

content8.flixster.com
Damn right, you're scared. I can see that in your eyes.
Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens.
I'm gettin' tired of your gas. Now jerk that pistol and go to work.
I said throw down, boy.
You gonna do somethin', or just stand there and bleed?
No? I didn't think so.
 
2013-04-05 04:38:10 PM

umad: xalres: But I can totally get behind the cellphone and texting laws.

I can't. I don't think we went about them the right way. We shouldn't ban texting and driving. We should ban vehicles that make texting and driving possible. Who really needs an automatic transmission anyway? It even has the word "automatic" in it, so they are only good for doing evil.


I know those are words in the English language but the way you've arranged them has left me wondering just what the holy hell you're trying to convey.

erm...I mean...wat?
 
2013-04-05 04:38:26 PM

KrustyKitten: I have always been intrigued by those who are against open carry, specifically. It's ok to if you want to be armed, I just don't want to know?


Here's why I'm against open carry specifically: If a person is carrying a concealed weapon they have to have a CCW permit. Which means that they were serious enough about carrying a firearm that they went through all the proper procedures and a basic level of training in order to carry one. Or at the least they were willing to pay the fee. Open carry on the other hand, can be done by any yahoo with a gun. It comes across as "Hey look at me, I've got a gun". They are like the guy that walks into a bar and tells everyone they know karate instead of just being the quietly competent guy at the bar minding his business. People who open carry are looking for a confrontation whether it comes from a criminal or an anti-gun person. One way or another, open carry people are actively seeking confrontation and people with that kind of mind set don't need to be carrying a gun

Now, that's just my opinion and I've been known to be wrong before.
 
2013-04-05 04:40:22 PM

Flakeloaf: Civil_War2_Time: Flakeloaf

Pity such dinosaurs as Japan, Canada, the UK, France, Poland, Finland, India, Sweden, New Zealand, Switzerland...

Yep, those "old dinosaurs," whose populations have little white trash, and almost no blacks or Hispanics (our prison make-up demographic), are surely safer than we are in the US.

Japan - Almost all Japanese
Canada - Almost all white
UK - Mostly white
France - Mostly white
Poland - Almost all white
Finland - Almost all white
India - Almost all Indian
Sweden - Almost all white
NZ - Almost all white
Switzerland - Almost all white

See a pattern here? All of the countries with the lowest violent crime rates never substantially integrated like the U.S. did.

But of course you just pulled that from Wiki, without ever putting any thought into the reasons why they have such low violent crime rates in those countries. Basically, "old dinosaur" means "racist country" with respect to your comment.

So what you're saying is that you need to carry guns because you're afraid of negroes, that everyone with pale skin is culturally and ideologically identical, and that you know nothing about Indian, Canadian or French demographics.


Demographics do not lie. Study the health and welfare and violent crime rates of countries that are white, black, oriental, etc. and get back to us. Somalia or Norway? Rwanda or Sweden? Chicago or Burlington, VT?
 
2013-04-05 04:43:53 PM
Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.
 
2013-04-05 04:46:10 PM
Crosswhite already has seen some backlash from his customers. One couple told him, after seeing a sign posted in the restaurant about Open Carry Wednesdays, they would not be eating at his establishment again. Crosswhite paid for their meal.
"This couple got on my case," he said. "Are they going to criticize me for my rights?" After being asked why he decided to give the couple their meal for free, he said, "I don't need their money."

So, free meals if you don´t have a gun and biatch about it?
 
2013-04-05 04:49:05 PM
If I was to look over and see a table of people with exposed guns sitting at a table in a restaurant you know what the first thing that would pop into my mind

Table full of cops
 
2013-04-05 04:52:52 PM

Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.


You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?
 
2013-04-05 04:56:24 PM
Funny how you never hear about biker gangs accidentally shooting each other.
maybe they all have certificates and training.
 
2013-04-05 04:57:15 PM

xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?


The pistol I carry...
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...doesn't have a safety.  But then again, I don't carry it charged either.  Loaded, not charged.

I carry like that because I don't expect (nor desire) a wild west shootout.  If I have enough time to draw from my holster in the gawdawful event that I need to...I'll go ahead and take the extra second or two to rack the slide.

Most people who carry do so because:
 - the weapon doesn't scare us
 - we carry it responsibly enough that 99.9999% of the time, those around us have no idea
 - we regard it in the same way as everyone regards health or fire insurance (have it and hope not to use it but realize life would suck hard if we needed it but didn't have it)

Nobody is forcing anybody to carry or own a firearm.  There are two towns near where I live that have a law on the books that says each household must have a gun but they're not enforced.  But just as nobody is compelled to own one, it's equally piss poor to want to deny others the right to lawfully own one.

You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?
 
2013-04-05 04:57:36 PM

GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?


No, because that would be an unreasonable search.
 
2013-04-05 05:02:32 PM

xalres: umad: xalres: But I can totally get behind the cellphone and texting laws.

I can't. I don't think we went about them the right way. We shouldn't ban texting and driving. We should ban vehicles that make texting and driving possible. Who really needs an automatic transmission anyway? It even has the word "automatic" in it, so they are only good for doing evil.

I know those are words in the English language but the way you've arranged them has left me wondering just what the holy hell you're trying to convey.

erm...I mean...wat?


My point is that texting and driving is illegal, but people can still do it. There is nothing stopping you from jumping in you car right now and texting as you drive around. You are a law-abiding driver only until you decide not to be. The only real solution is to make it impossible for you to choose to not obey the laws.

We can accomplish this by either banning cell phones or by banning cars that make such an action possible, and nothing less. The simplest solution is to make sure both of your hands are occupied when you drive by banning automatic transmissions. You will be too busy shifting gears with your free hand to be able to text. You might say "Bu-bu-but I drive an automatic, and I don't text and drive!" but that doesn't matter. Many other people have demonstrated that they can't responsibly operate an automatic transmission, so they must be banned for everybody.

If you are still confused, then all I can say is that this is an obvious analogy for something. I just can't put my finger on what.
 
2013-04-05 05:02:44 PM

xalres: Allen. The end.: bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.

This was the first thing I thought...

I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.


So, in your fantasy world you picture people whipping out their guns and start blazing away at mere loud sounds?  Do you ever find it difficult to function socially when your apparent view of the rest of society is miles beneath your self-granted smug intellect?  Seriously, ask yourself, if someone did that would you instantly start killing everyone around you?  Maybe grab a steak knife and just merrily start plunging it into chests?

Stop being such a farking ignoramus with your fanciful little what-if scenarios.  By simply suggesting such a thing is likely or even possible, you mark yourself out as remarkably ignorant.
 
2013-04-05 05:04:06 PM

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.


So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.
 
2013-04-05 05:08:35 PM

GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.


How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?
 
2013-04-05 05:10:45 PM
noitsnot: ...I think that people that feel they need to carry a gun in Sears will either shoot themselves or the stock boy, because they're stupid people, and stupid people do stupid things.

OK, that's what you think, and it's your right to think that way. Now...can you cite any examples of it actually happening? Personally, I think stupid people are those who jump to conclusions without having any farking clue about the subject they are discussing.

But what the hell do I know? I apparently have a small penis, because I own (and carry) guns, and we all know that a man's brain is directly linked to his penis.


/Why are some anti-gun people so obsessed with the size of other peoples' junk?
 
2013-04-05 05:12:18 PM

craig328: You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?


I never said anything about taking anything away from anybody. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind needing to be armed at all times everywhere you go. Don't worry, I'm not trying to TERK YRR GERNS!!!
 
2013-04-05 05:13:08 PM

Biner: /Why are some anti-gun people so obsessed with the size of other peoples' junk?


Because they are closeted self-loathing homosexuals. You know, the liberal version of a "wide stance" Republican.
 
2013-04-05 05:15:02 PM

Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.

How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?


Do you honestly believe that everyone that holds a CCW wants the world to know that they have a gun? Some people have a CCW for protection, some have stalkers, and some work in shiatty neighborhoods. For some reason you're deathly afraid of them, and it's hilarious because you have no idea who they are.

Also it's outing them in the most basic way, you're forcing them to show that they have a gun and in doing so tell the entire world that they have one.

Just admit you're afraid of guns, we all know you are.
 
2013-04-05 05:22:28 PM

master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.


Except maybe by that table of four over in the corner.
 
2013-04-05 05:23:00 PM

Jument: Trilithon: Jument: America: still crazy about guns, in every sense of the word.

Got to have hobbies man!

Do crosswords or fly kites, then?


Still 3 days of the waiting period for my assault kite.
 
2013-04-05 05:24:59 PM

craig328: xalres: Allen. The end.: bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.

This was the first thing I thought...

I would love to see that social experiment. Though, it would be more amusing if you could somehow replace all their bullets with blanks just to see the looks on their faces afterward.

So, in your fantasy world you picture people whipping out their guns and start blazing away at mere loud sounds?  Do you ever find it difficult to function socially when your apparent view of the rest of society is miles beneath your self-granted smug intellect?  Seriously, ask yourself, if someone did that would you instantly start killing everyone around you?  Maybe grab a steak knife and just merrily start plunging it into chests?

Stop being such a farking ignoramus with your fanciful little what-if scenarios.  By simply suggesting such a thing is likely or even possible, you mark yourself out as remarkably ignorant.


No. But then I'm not paranoid enough to feel like I have to have my binky pistol on me at all times. Be honest, if someone did do that at least a few of the people in the restaurant would go for their hip, if not draw fully. Besides, it was a joke. Lighten up a little.
 
2013-04-05 05:28:07 PM

GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: GUTSU: Ned Stark: Having to put your holster outside your shirt: just like a random full cavity search.

You didn't answer my question. You said "You don't have an expectation of privacy on public streets and byways." Does this mean that the police could search you, or anyone? Or does it only apply to things that you're afraid of?

No, because that would be an unreasonable search.

So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it? What other personal information would you insist people be forced to give to make you feel safer? Criminal records, if they've ever been institutionalized? The fact of the matter is that you have no right to that information.

How is getting rid of conceald carry "outing" people who have a concealed carry permit?

Do you honestly believe that everyone that holds a CCW wants the world to know that they have a gun? Some people have a CCW for protection, some have stalkers, and some work in shiatty neighborhoods. For some reason you're deathly afraid of them, and it's hilarious because you have no idea who they are.

Also it's outing them in the most basic way, you're forcing them to show that they have a gun and in doing so tell the entire world that they have one.

Just admit you're afraid of guns, we all know you are.


Not really. I've had a lot of experiences related to guns you can have, fired several, been around others that fired them, knowingly and unknowingly been arownd people who carry, slept in a room where guns were stored, had a gun pointed(but not fired) at me. I don't recall ever feeling a level of fear I would consider inappropriate.

Not compared to the almost paralyzing and utterly irrational fear I feel around horses, for example.
 
2013-04-05 05:28:21 PM

xalres: craig328: You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?

I never said anything about taking anything away from anybody. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind needing to be armed at all times everywhere you go. Don't worry, I'm not trying to TERK YRR GERNS!!!


Not that this will make you feel any different about anything, but I"ll bite.

Once you get your license and start carrying, at least for me, it becomes a situation where you think to yourself "how shiatty would it be if something happened one day when you just happened to forget your sidearm at home that daY".   So once I started carrying, that thought kept me diligent about always having it.  Also, when I first started, I wanted to have "practice" carrying and get used to it, so I carried always.... 

This is zany, and meant to be...   but I always carry, even at home... watch ANY movie... where do the bad guys ALWAYS catch the good guy slippin?  At HOME after he's already taken his gun off... lol...    100% of home invasions happen in the home!!!!

I definitely don't walk around thinking something is going to happen to me.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.  I -DON'T- think something is going to happen, but conversely, I know it COULD.  I feel plenty safe without my piece, but I feel SAFER with it.  More prepared to handle any situation, especially when I have my small children with me.  (after all I"m their body guard)  I just carry to be prepared.  I carry a lighter, but don't smoke.. I carry a flashlight (use it all the time)... I carry a knife... I carry a small first aid kit... I carry a pen..   I carry a multi-tool....  I carry a voice recorder...  I carry a phone...   I carry some coins....  some gum....  extra house key....  extra money hidden in wallet...   

In my truck,  I carry rope.. and tie down straps... and a chain in the back... and basic tools...   and a gallon of gas....  and a fire extinguisher...   and blankets....  and some water....  and a shovel...   (I know, sounds like I"m ready for body disposal... lol)  

I understand that there are certain situations I could find myself in.  I choose to prepare a bit before hand in order that these situations may have the least effect/delay/etc on me....
 
2013-04-05 05:29:40 PM

It Smee: KrustyKitten: I have always been intrigued by those who are against open carry, specifically. It's ok to if you want to be armed, I just don't want to know?

Here's why I'm against open carry specifically: If a person is carrying a concealed weapon they have to have a CCW permit. Which means that they were serious enough about carrying a firearm that they went through all the proper procedures and a basic level of training in order to carry one. Or at the least they were willing to pay the fee. Open carry on the other hand, can be done by any yahoo with a gun. It comes across as "Hey look at me, I've got a gun". They are like the guy that walks into a bar and tells everyone they know karate instead of just being the quietly competent guy at the bar minding his business. People who open carry are looking for a confrontation whether it comes from a criminal or an anti-gun person. One way or another, open carry people are actively seeking confrontation and people with that kind of mind set don't need to be carrying a gun

Now, that's just my opinion and I've been known to be wrong before.



The problem is, that while most people want to quietly mind their own business, they don't want to spend hundreds of dollars and wait several months for the "privilege". Most states have created the scenario where you have to jump through hoops to protect yourself discretely. So now people have to choose between a) a pain in the ass (financial expense, long wait period), b) not protecting themselves, or c) protecting themselves with open carry. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that some people choose to open carry.

To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is  extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.
 
2013-04-05 05:38:30 PM

xenophon10k: I'll eat somewhere else. I'll be honest, I don't trust most other people with anything more dangerous than string.


maybe you should just stay in your basement, play with your dress up dolls, and leave the adults alone
 
2013-04-05 05:39:22 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: xalres: craig328: You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to curtail peoples' rights, how about start with the ones who are abusing them?

I never said anything about taking anything away from anybody. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind needing to be armed at all times everywhere you go. Don't worry, I'm not trying to TERK YRR GERNS!!!

Not that this will make you feel any different about anything, but I"ll bite.

Once you get your license and start carrying, at least for me, it becomes a situation where you think to yourself "how shiatty would it be if something happened one day when you just happened to forget your sidearm at home that daY".   So once I started carrying, that thought kept me diligent about always having it.  Also, when I first started, I wanted to have "practice" carrying and get used to it, so I carried always.... 

This is zany, and meant to be...   but I always carry, even at home... watch ANY movie... where do the bad guys ALWAYS catch the good guy slippin?  At HOME after he's already taken his gun off... lol...    100% of home invasions happen in the home!!!!

I definitely don't walk around thinking something is going to happen to me.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.  I -DON'T- think something is going to happen, but conversely, I know it COULD.  I feel plenty safe without my piece, but I feel SAFER with it.  More prepared to handle any situation, especially when I have my small children with me.  (after all I"m their body guard)  I just carry to be prepared.  I carry a lighter, but don't smoke.. I carry a flashlight (use it all the time)... I carry a knife... I carry a small first aid kit... I carry a pen..   I carry a multi-tool....  I carry a voice recorder...  I carry a phone...   I carry some coins....  some gum....  extra house key. ...


I grok (sorry, just re-read that book). So it isn't so much about "OMG dangerous minorities are around every corner waiting to storm my wife and rape my castle!!!" and more about preparing for an eventuality you hope you never need to deal with. Kind of like the insanely overstocked earthquake kit I have in my shed. I still don't quite get needing to bring it into bars and churches but meh.

Also, how huge are your pockets with all that shiat in them?
 
2013-04-05 05:44:17 PM

aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.


So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.
 
2013-04-05 05:52:47 PM

It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.


So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?
 
2013-04-05 05:57:28 PM
Mods should just copy/paste the last gun thread here, save everyone a lot of time.

/ just a suggestion
 
2013-04-05 06:00:18 PM
GUTSU:
...
So you'd just prefer if people with CCW were outed like pedophiles is that it?
...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... OMG ... breathe - breathe... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA...

So awesome - I would never of thought to compare the two!

Wow - where to start?
 
2013-04-05 06:00:36 PM

GUTSU: It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.

So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?


Many CCW instructors around here waive the training fee for women and other groups, they only have to pay the fingerprint fee (To the Sheriffs office) and the state fee.
 
2013-04-05 06:04:00 PM

GUTSU: So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?


If she can't afford the concealed carry fee, how can she afford the gun? Not to mention the gun safe which should be in the house since she has children (single mother and all). You can't just leave a gun lying around where children can get at it, that's irresponsible. Even the NRA would agree with that. Guns are expensive to purchase, train with, keep, and maintain. I'm sorry the fictional mother in your scenario can't afford all the costs involved but I suppose the answer to your question then would be, "yes".
 
2013-04-05 06:05:06 PM

WelldeadLink: "carrying a SIG Sauer on his right hip. He was happily dining on a fried dish "

There's a slight difference in the amount of detail in the description of the gun and the dish.


With cajun food, it's a bit difficult to tell...  "Are those fried chicken livers, fried mushrooms or fried crawdads?"

"....yes?"
 
2013-04-05 06:06:16 PM

It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.


I live in NY. I submitted my ccw application almost a year ago. That is not a reasonable waiting period. I won't trouble you with how exhaustive this process was but you can google it.
 
2013-04-05 06:07:03 PM
To clarify, I am STILL waiting for it.
 
2013-04-05 06:07:30 PM

snochick: Get that wad out of your panties, subby. That restaurant is probably the safest place to be on a Wednesday.


Unless you eat the food.
 
2013-04-05 06:08:43 PM

It Smee: GUTSU: So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?

If she can't afford the concealed carry fee, how can she afford the gun? Not to mention the gun safe which should be in the house since she has children (single mother and all). You can't just leave a gun lying around where children can get at it, that's irresponsible. Even the NRA would agree with that. Guns are expensive to purchase, train with, keep, and maintain. I'm sorry the fictional mother in your scenario can't afford all the costs involved but I suppose the answer to your question then would be, "yes".


Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.
 
2013-04-05 06:14:15 PM

Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.


A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.
 
2013-04-05 06:15:18 PM

It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.


Or you could not assume anything and actually try reading. That's hard though.
 
2013-04-05 06:21:49 PM

aelat: It Smee: aelat: To assume that people who open carry do so because they're "actively seeking confrontation" is extremelyignorant. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a far more plausible explanation is they didn't want to spend $400 and time.

So I should instead assume they are cheap, lazy, and unable to follow a process through to completion because it's too hard? That's way worse.

Or you could not assume anything and actually try reading. That's hard though.


Your words. Not mine.
 
2013-04-05 06:25:10 PM

bingethinker: Toss a couple of firecrackers into that crowd and watch the bullets fly. Give them a group Darwin Award for bettering the future of mankind.


Of course, because those of us who regularly go shooting would never be able to tell the difference between a farking firecracker and someone firing a gun in the same room.
 
2013-04-05 06:25:31 PM

It Smee: GUTSU: So you're only for the rich to be able to afford it. Should a single mother making minimum wage be unable to protect herself?

If she can't afford the concealed carry fee, how can she afford the gun? Not to mention the gun safe which should be in the house since she has children (single mother and all). You can't just leave a gun lying around where children can get at it, that's irresponsible. Even the NRA would agree with that. Guns are expensive to purchase, train with, keep, and maintain. I'm sorry the fictional mother in your scenario can't afford all the costs involved but I suppose the answer to your question then would be, "yes".


So you think the poor should have unreasonable boundaries preventing them from defending themselves?
 
2013-04-05 06:28:18 PM

It Smee: Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/62258

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/21141/comanche_9_ro u nd_22_lr_revolver_w6_barreladjustable_sight

http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Universal-Gun-Cleaning-Accessory/dp/B001 H BHNM4/ref=zg_bs_3225968011_5

I'm not even going to bother looking up ammo, my point is made.

Getting a ccw in nys will cost more. That's also beside the point, since adding more costs is a violation of rights. This is the same reason a poll tax is unethical.
 
2013-04-05 06:33:05 PM

It Smee: Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.


Here every new firearm I have purchased lately has come with trigger locks or a security device of some type, decent SD pistols start around $300, cleaning kits for pistols are about $20. Can't argue the price of ammo, if she can find it. Permit fees are around $100 here and fees for the class avg $100 - $150 usually. Guess it depends where to live.
 
2013-04-05 06:50:25 PM

Trilithon: It Smee: Doom MD: Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

A single gun safebox is going to cost at least $100, likely more. Most pistols are over $400. Not to mention purchasing a cleaning kit ~$50. Ammunition ~$30 for a box. Now I can't speak intelligently on the fees in every state but in these parts it is ~$60 for a CCW permit and it is issued in a timely manner. I'm sorry your state is more expensive and takes longer. I can't help you there. You can either put up with it, or move.

Here every new firearm I have purchased lately has come with trigger locks or a security device of some type, decent SD pistols start around $300, cleaning kits for pistols are about $20. Can't argue the price of ammo, if she can find it. Permit fees are around $100 here and fees for the class avg $100 - $150 usually. Guess it depends where to live.


The fact that guns are as expensive as they are only adds to the argument against all of the fees. It just prices poor people that much further out of the market. It also influences them toward the cheaper and less reliable (and therefore less safe) guns out there.
 
2013-04-05 06:53:17 PM

FlashHarry: kombat_unit: FlashHarry: [i49.tinypic.com image 300x487]

Ok flashharry, how is your tiny penis?

well, i don't need to open carry.


But penis penis penis.
 
2013-04-05 07:02:08 PM
xalres:  No. But then I'm not paranoid enough to feel like I have to have my binky pistol on me at all times. Be honest, if someone did do that at least a few of the people in the restaurant would go for their hip, if not draw fully. Besides, it was a joke. Lighten up a little.

I carry concealed, and this is exactly what I would do if I heard firecrackers going off inside a restaurant. I would quickly turn to the source of the noise and reach for my pistol as I assessed the situation. Upon realizing that it was firecrackers going off and not a gunfight, I would give an exasperated sigh and go back to my meal, which I would not enjoy because the adrenaline rush would have killed my appetite.

/has been shot at too many times
//doesn't like fireworks
 
2013-04-05 07:07:00 PM
Holy crap! Not only is this place in my home town, but it's less than a five min walk from my front door.   I'm even semi-friends with this guy's wife who is the head chef.  The food is awesome, but I think I will skip eating there on Wednesdays.  I'm not anti-gun per se, Shot my first one when I was 8 and by the time I was 13 I'd was able to put 4 bullets in the same hole with a .22 bolt action rifle at 100 yards (still have the target somewhere). But open carry makes me nervous because I worry about guns being in the hands of people who lack the basic social wiring to realize that strapping a gun to your hip like Wyatt Earp hasn't been really acceptable in polite company since before the shootout at the  OK Corral.  In some places I could maybe understand it but we are talking about a small town here where the only time iI lock my front door is when I'm going to be out of town for a few days and I'm worried it might blow open and let the cat out
 
2013-04-05 07:33:44 PM

Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.

Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.

"Need"? I certainly haven't posited that it would save lives or any such thing. Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.


What's funny is that the states with the strictest gun laws have pretty much prohibited open carry.
 
2013-04-05 07:40:47 PM
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin030802.asp
 
2013-04-05 08:17:27 PM

lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.


I have.

Hit the sucker in the head with a coffee mug. From 20 feet away.

If I had a gun, I would have shot him, but I don't carry a gun in public because I really do want to shoot people. I have carried openly when I would ride herds, but that's country life. The good people in the country don't care if you carry, they'll just shoot you like a mad dog if you cross the line.

Don't try to hold up my breakfast joint.

I am pissier in the AM.
 
2013-04-05 08:21:01 PM
It's an even better idea for a business to offer a 10% discount for customers who have a concealed carry gun.  And oddly enough, no need to check it or prove it at all.  Just assume that "concealed carry day" means that everybody in the place might have a gun.  So 10% discounts all around.

It's a guarantee that everyone will be polite and friendly.  Importantly, when there are guns about, even mentally unstable people as a rule will behave themselves better.  This is because the inhibition for survival is one of the strongest parts of reason.  When they are not around guns, they feel free to lose it and misbehave.  But when guns might be about, they try to "maintain".
 
2013-04-05 08:47:18 PM

master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.


Cute.

What unarmed people under fire do.
 
2013-04-05 08:51:38 PM

Magorn: Holy crap! Not only is this place in my home town, but it's less than a five min walk from my front door.   I'm even semi-friends with this guy's wife who is the head chef.  The food is awesome, but I think I will skip eating there on Wednesdays.  I'm not anti-gun per se, Shot my first one when I was 8 and by the time I was 13 I'd was able to put 4 bullets in the same hole with a .22 bolt action rifle at 100 yards (still have the target somewhere). But open carry makes me nervous because I worry about guns being in the hands of people who lack the basic social wiring to realize that strapping a gun to your hip like Wyatt Earp hasn't been really acceptable in polite company since before the shootout at the  OK Corral.  In some places I could maybe understand it but we are talking about a small town here where the only time iI lock my front door is when I'm going to be out of town for a few days and I'm worried it might blow open and let the cat out


HAH.  That's farking hilarious.  It turns out that this place is Mayberry.  Nobody even locks their doors.  Priceless.

237 posts attempting to justify carry in this diner and it's just dick waving pure and simple.
 
2013-04-05 09:09:25 PM

Magorn: Holy crap! Not only is this place in my home town, but it's less than a five min walk from my front door.   I'm even semi-friends with this guy's wife who is the head chef.  The food is awesome, but I think I will skip eating there on Wednesdays.  I'm not anti-gun per se, Shot my first one when I was 8 and by the time I was 13 I'd was able to put 4 bullets in the same hole with a .22 bolt action rifle at 100 yards (still have the target somewhere). But open carry makes me nervous because I worry about guns being in the hands of people who lack the basic social wiring to realize that strapping a gun to your hip like Wyatt Earp hasn't been really acceptable in polite company since before the shootout at the  OK Corral.  In some places I could maybe understand it but we are talking about a small town here where the only time iI lock my front door is when I'm going to be out of town for a few days and I'm worried it might blow open and let the cat out


But you're okay living in a society where any driver could swerve out of his way and murder you for no particular reason. Or, the cook could run out with a bread knife and chop your head off. Or, the guy at the gas station could douse you with 87 octane and throw a lit match at you.

You must spend your whole life assuming people are out to murder you, simply because it is physically possible for them to do so.
 
2013-04-05 09:20:34 PM
Fark's idiot side is showing again. I'll just move along.
 
2013-04-05 09:41:32 PM

craig328: xalres: scarmig: xalres: I often wonder what it's like to go through life so pants-pissingly paranoid of the outside world that you feel the need to be armed everywhere at all times just in case!!!! It sounds exhausting.

You ever wear a seat belt, "just in case"?

Must be exhausting to be so pants-pissingly scared of other drivers.

No I wear one because a) it's the law and b) I don't want to go flying through my windshield should I end up rear ending someone.

I think if you're going to make a seat belt to gun analogy you'd be better off comparing them to the safety. Is it more responsible to walk around with the safety on or off? Does keeping the safety on while you're not ready to shoot something make you paranoid?

The pistol I carry...
[i819.photobucket.com image 539x371]
...doesn't have a safety.  But then again, I don't carry it charged either.  Loaded, not charged.

I carry like that because I don't expect (nor desire) a wild west shootout.  If I have enough time to draw from my holster in the gawdawful event that I need to...I'll go ahead and take the extra second or two to rack the slide.

Most people who carry do so because:
 - the weapon doesn't scare us
 - we carry it responsibly enough that 99.9999% of the time, those around us have no idea
 - we regard it in the same way as everyone regards health or fire insurance (have it and hope not to use it but realize life would suck hard if we needed it but didn't have it)

Nobody is forcing anybody to carry or own a firearm.  There are two towns near where I live that have a law on the books that says each household must have a gun but they're not enforced.  But just as nobody is compelled to own one, it's equally piss poor to want to deny others the right to lawfully own one.

You want to address gun violence in this country...start with the rights the mentally unstable have to refuse treatment and yet still be allowed to roam free in public.  They're the ones committing the massacres.  If you're going to c ...


I consider any civilian that wants to carry a firearm in public as mentally unstable.
 
2013-04-05 09:56:01 PM

dv-ous: master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.

Cute.

What unarmed people under fire do.


Respect to those guys
 
2013-04-05 10:15:06 PM
Do they serve wild pig? They must.
 
2013-04-05 10:24:21 PM
Doom MD:
Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

Any safe that can be carried to a vehicle is pointless (nobody will bother opening it on the premises).  This is a great way to arm criminals.  Of course, arming criminals is a great way to sell guns, so most pro-gun propaganda ignores this.

/you can't imagine how impressed I was with a newspaper outing which houses had such wonderfully fenceable items.
 
2013-04-05 10:47:49 PM

sammyk: In the state of Virginia, gun owners are allowed to openly carry a weapon without a permit, and consume alcohol. Servers are usually careful with those carrying firearms when serving alcohol, Leesburg Police Chief Joseph Price said.

"The individual with a firearm can consume alcohol," Price said, "but when you get intoxicated, that becomes a problem."
 Wow, I support the 2nd amendment and I like a drink or 12 every now and then. Mixing the two is just such a bad idea that there are not enough facepalms on the internet to convey the stupidity.


Yeah.  I object to the laws that say you can't carry in a place with alcohol but drinking is another matter entirely.  If you're carrying you should be at BAC 0.00.
 
2013-04-05 11:02:18 PM

yet_another_wumpus: Doom MD:
Obtaining a ccw permit in my state costs more than the cost of obtaining a pistol and a lockbox for it. Not sure why you'd assume a person needs to buy an entire vault for a single gun.

Any safe that can be carried to a vehicle is pointless (nobody will bother opening it on the premises).  This is a great way to arm criminals.  Of course, arming criminals is a great way to sell guns, so most pro-gun propaganda ignores this.

/you can't imagine how impressed I was with a newspaper outing which houses had such wonderfully fenceable items.


Did you ever think that the "pro-gun" side simply wants nothing more than continued use of the 2nd Amendment that some seem so intent on chipping away? If I own one gun, it doesn't go in a safe at the end of the day; it goes on my night stand. If you have more than one, by all means get a safe to lock them up when you're not at home.

I can't tell if your slashie is sarcastic or not. I hope to God it is.
 
2013-04-05 11:38:44 PM

chuggernaught: I consider any civilian that wants to carry a firearm in public as mentally unstable.


Your irrationality, stupidity and ignorance is not a valid basis for public policy.
 
2013-04-05 11:41:30 PM

It Smee: Now, that's just my opinion and I've been known to be wrong before.


Well, as much as I've heard that opinion, I've never actually met someone who is anything like what you just described. I'm sure that they exist somewhere, but my own experience says that they are the vast minority. So, I'd say that for the most part you are indeed wrong.
 
2013-04-05 11:48:36 PM
Correct tag for story was 'awesome'.
 
2013-04-06 12:44:59 AM

Dimensio: chuggernaught: I consider any civilian that wants to carry a firearm in public as mentally unstable.

Your irrationality, stupidity and ignorance is not a valid basis for public policy.


It's been my experience that people like Chuggernaught project their mental instability onto everyone else.   They can even imagine a emotionally stable people exist.
 
2013-04-06 12:47:15 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: ha-ha-guy: Ah yeah, open carry, so the impulse criminal knows all he has to do is bash you in the head with a rock and suddenly he has a gun.

Surely you wouldn't make a statement like this without being able to back it up with actual examples of it happening.

Surely.


Like this guy?

http://youtu.be/zx_YUO4SzcY

open carry is for morans.

/CCW holder.
 
2013-04-06 01:26:24 AM

iheartscotch: While I like open carry; it's probably a good idea to consider what area of town you are going to be walking through. Some people tend to freeeeeak the fark out when they see someone who is open carrying; even when it is 100% legal.

/ I try not to frequent businesses that have the no ccw sign; it's kind of like sticking a sign out saying "rob me, please"


The sign need not apply to the business owner or employees.
 
2013-04-06 01:29:07 AM
I want only open carry, no concealment.  I want to know who's packing heat near me and I want the benefit of his crime deterrence.
 
2013-04-06 01:31:25 AM

arentol: Right now if you are in a state that allows CC a/o OC of the 100 adults closest to you who are not in a "Gun Free Zone", and who are not LEO's, at least one of them has a gun on them, and in most states odds are very very good that 5 or more are armed. Yet odds are also that you will never witness a shooting of any kind in your life.

Lawful carriers have been statistically shown to commit far less violent crimes than the average citizen. It is almost as if the sort of people that trust themselves to lawfully own and carry a firearm tend to be the kind of people who don't run around doing stupid, illegal, or dangerous things. How strange is that?


Isn't that special?  Is it remotely relevant really?

Ever actually do statistics in your life?

For example, if more cars on the road, do the odds of an accident occurring on the road during that time increase?  Or do the odds actually go down?

Here, let me dumb it down.  More guns out there means more opportunity for a simple mistake.  And the more guns in private homes means more chances for your honest, law-abiding citizens who mean no one any ill will at all, could end up seeing a family member or neighbor carried away in a body bag.

Ignoring for the moment that, of course, firearms are very expensive and usually a theft target.  So statistically with more guns out there, more will be stolen -- because careful owners of any property still...make MISTAKES.  And therefore more will guns will end up on the street and used by criminals.

You live in a world in which gun-wielding people only use firearms when necessary and they live in a sterile perfected world where mistakes are not made and people -- who owns lawful guns -- don't lose their cool and act stupidly or violently around the innocent, almost ever.

That perfected, sterile world doesn't exist.  It never existed.  Children are dying every week in this country from accidental shootings, many from guns owned by well-meaning people who would rather take a bullet than see any innocent blood shed.  They may be saints.  The children still bleed and die by mistake.

That's a problem your well-armed society doesn't answer or even try to answer except to say we take classes and buy gun safes....and the children still bleed and they still die.
 
2013-04-06 01:56:11 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I want only open carry, no concealment.  I want to know who's packing heat near me and I want the benefit of his crime deterrence.


Then feel free to write to your state reps if you live in NYC, Texas, California, Illinois or a few other states. Open carry is essentially prohibited (or actually like in Illinois) because they feel that the general populace, especially in urban areas, would freak the fark out if people walked around with guns on their hips.
 
2013-04-06 03:52:27 AM

wejash: arentol: Right now if you are in a state that allows CC a/o OC of the 100 adults closest to you who are not in a "Gun Free Zone", and who are not LEO's, at least one of them has a gun on them, and in most states odds are very very good that 5 or more are armed. Yet odds are also that you will never witness a shooting of any kind in your life.

Lawful carriers have been statistically shown to commit far less violent crimes than the average citizen. It is almost as if the sort of people that trust themselves to lawfully own and carry a firearm tend to be the kind of people who don't run around doing stupid, illegal, or dangerous things. How strange is that?

Isn't that special?  Is it remotely relevant really?

Ever actually do statistics in your life?

For example, if more cars on the road, do the odds of an accident occurring on the road during that time increase?  Or do the odds actually go down?

Here, let me dumb it down.  More guns out there means more opportunity for a simple mistake.  And the more guns in private homes means more chances for your honest, law-abiding citizens who mean no one any ill will at all, could end up seeing a family member or neighbor carried away in a body bag.

Ignoring for the moment that, of course, firearms are very expensive and usually a theft target.  So statistically with more guns out there, more will be stolen -- because careful owners of any property still...make MISTAKES.  And therefore more will guns will end up on the street and used by criminals.

You live in a world in which gun-wielding people only use firearms when necessary and they live in a sterile perfected world where mistakes are not made and people -- who owns lawful guns -- don't lose their cool and act stupidly or violently around the innocent, almost ever.

That perfected, sterile world doesn't exist.  It never existed.  Children are dying every week in this country from accidental shootings, many from guns owned by well-meaning people who would rather take ...


I am certain that you will be able to demonstrate that unintentional shootings increase following implementation of "shall-issue" based permit systems. I therefore eagerly await references to such data.
 
2013-04-06 03:53:54 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I want only open carry, no concealment.  I want to know who's packing heat near me and I want the benefit of his crime deterrence.


Perhaps a compromise can be reached: individuals may carry concealed, creating a crime deterrent, but you will not know who they are unless they volunteer the information to you.
 
2013-04-06 04:11:54 AM
The only weapons I need in a restaurant are a fork, a knife and a spoon.
 
2013-04-06 04:53:48 AM

CameraMonkey: Like this guy?


A single data point makes for pretty poor statistics.
 
2013-04-06 08:39:36 AM
This bears repeat(ed watching). I think my ribs will stop hurting some time after the 4th of july. The steroidal pinhead at the end is just...priceless. Compensation 101
 
2013-04-06 10:34:25 AM

redmid17: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: Dimensio: Ned Stark: They should be able to know because you are able to end their life in a matter of seconds from dozens of yards away. Its a petty bi shift from the default assumption of being able to kids hurt them from one armlength away.

You may wish to advocate your position to Louisville police officers, who have informed me that they prefer citizens to carry concealed so that they are not bothered by reports of armed individuals from frightened observers.

Presumably people would be innoculated to the sight of guns within a month or two of the hypothetical open carry only ordinance and stop calling the police, but a couple of the thugs getting their lunch breaks ruined by panicked grannies is hardly something to trouble my sleep.

Perhaps advocates of requiring concealed weapons permit holders to make the public aware of the presence of a firearm upon their person could cite actual data justifying a need for such notice.

"Need"? I certainly haven't posited that it would save lives or any such thing. Only that people have a right to know when other people are carrying deadly weapons.

What's funny is that the states with the strictest gun laws have pretty much prohibited open carry.


Because the gun control movement is dominated by wild eyed radicals who don't have any position on guns other than they want them gone.
 
2013-04-06 10:35:21 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: CameraMonkey: Like this guy?

A single data point makes for pretty poor statistics.


Just citing an example, not a statistical analysis.
 
2013-04-06 11:16:04 AM

CameraMonkey: Just citing an example, not a statistical analysis.


Ok, I can dig that. But if you want to consider the statistics, the chances of getting your gun grabbed due to OC are just stupidly low. Lower than the chances of using your gun. It's the sort of thing that tends to make the news (you'd better believe than it's going to get reported), and that story brings the number of confirmed incidents I've seen up to three. I've personally seen OC carry deter a crime that many times.

In short, if you want to convince me that "all OCers are morans", you're going to have to provide more than one example of an OCer being a moran.
 
2013-04-06 11:45:16 AM

willfullyobscure: This bears repeat(ed watching). I think my ribs will stop hurting some time after the 4th of july. The steroidal pinhead at the end is just...priceless. Compensation 101


Wow.  Thank you so much, that made my morning!
 
2013-04-06 01:04:16 PM
Stupid tag?  Submitter is a cocksucker.  There will never be a mass shooting here.  When someone starts shooting, the only way to stop them is to get another person with a gun on  the scene. This is why they call the police.  If someone is already on the scene with a gun, then the problem can be addressed without the police.
 
2013-04-06 01:14:17 PM

HaywoodJablonski: This place is sure to be an oasis in the criminal hotbed of Leesburg

2010 Crime (Actual Data)* Incidents
Aggravated Assault 34
Arson 3
Burglary 42
Forcible Rape 13
Larceny and Theft 679
Motor Vehicle Theft 32
Murder and Manslaughter 0
Robbery 10
Crime Rate (Total Incidents) 827
Property Crime 753
Violent Crime


Yea, because it's easy to get a permit to carry in:

St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI
Camden, NJ
Flint, MI
Oakland, CA
Richmond, CA
Cleveland, OH
Compton, CA
Gary, IN
Birmingham, AL

(top ten most dangerous cities in the US in 2012, according to the FBI)

not to mention:

New York City,
Philadelphia, PA
Chicago, IL
Washington, DC
Newark, NJ
Buffalo, NY

you know...where the crime actually is.
 
2013-04-06 03:27:54 PM
sammyk

"The individual with a firearm can consume alcohol," Price said, "but when you get intoxicated, that becomes a problem."
Wow, I support the 2nd amendment and I like a drink or 12 every now and then. Mixing the two is just such a bad idea that there are not enough facepalms on the internet to convey the stupidity.
The idea that you go nuts just because you have had a glass of wine or beer with your dinner is as asinine as the idea that you go nuts because you have a sidearm on your person.



FlashHarry
tired-photo-shop.jpg
You seem obsessed with overweight men's genitals. We don't need to know that.
 
2013-04-06 04:52:28 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: CameraMonkey: Just citing an example, not a statistical analysis.


In short, if you want to convince me that "all OCers are morans", you're going to have to provide more than one example of an OCer being a moran.


Read The Art Of War. Since carrying a sidearm is technically part of a defensive "battle plan" you are an idiot  to broadcast your abilities to defend yourself. CC vs OC gives you the element of surprise. If you Got into a fistfight, would you tell the person "I'm gonna lead with a left hook and then a knee to the gut."? Of course not. So why tell your enemy " hey, I have a gun, so make sure you blindside me with your weapon drawn so I don't have a fighting chance."?


Yes, it's your right. But given its tactically more effective to CCW than OC  I think it's a bad idea. Not to mention those that aren't comfy with guns get freaky around you
 
2013-04-06 04:58:30 PM

JoanHaus: Me, personally, I see a guy like that, with a gun, and I am anything BUT intimidated. One seriously hard slap in the face is all it's gonna take, to get that gun.


lol

noitsnot: dv-ous: master_dman: lostcat: dudicon: master_dman: All you scared whiny pussies can just stay away from this place.
I'm guessing this place won't be robbed.  EVER.

So the people who aren't so scared of the world they feel the need to be armed at all times are the pussies?

It's sad to me that there are people who sit in restaurants and worry that it may get robbed.

The thought has never occurred to me once in 42 years.

I've also never been in a situation where deadly force was neccessary to protect my life, or the lives of those around me.

Your right.. It's still relatively safe out there.

Chances are, you can go your whole life without ever needing to protect your life... but I suspect if it ever did come to that.. you will just curl into a ball in the corner and piddle yourself waiting for the cops to show up.

Cute.

What unarmed people under fire do.

Respect to those guys


Way to absorb those bullets, guys.
 
2013-04-06 04:58:52 PM

MBrady: HaywoodJablonski: This place is sure to be an oasis in the criminal hotbed of Leesburg

2010 Crime (Actual Data)* Incidents
Aggravated Assault 34
Arson 3
Burglary 42
Forcible Rape 13
Larceny and Theft 679
Motor Vehicle Theft 32
Murder and Manslaughter 0
Robbery 10
Crime Rate (Total Incidents) 827
Property Crime 753
Violent Crime

Yea, because it's easy to get a permit to carry in:

St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI
Camden, NJ
Flint, MI
Oakland, CA
Richmond, CA
Cleveland, OH
Compton, CA
Gary, IN
Birmingham, AL

(top ten most dangerous cities in the US in 2012, according to the FBI)

not to mention:

New York City,
Philadelphia, PA
Chicago, IL
Washington, DC
Newark, NJ
Buffalo, NY

you know...where the crime actually is.


In all fairness, it's actually pretty easy to get a CCW in Gary. Indiana doesn't really have much in the way of requirements and it's a shall issue state. As long as you can pony up about $150 bucks and pass an NICS check, you can get a lifetime CCW permit.
 
2013-04-07 12:08:39 AM

CameraMonkey: Read The Art Of War. Since carrying a sidearm is technically part of a defensive "battle plan" you are an idiot to broadcast your abilities to defend yourself. CC vs OC gives you the element of surprise. If you Got into a fistfight, would you tell the person "I'm gonna lead with a left hook and then a knee to the gut."? Of course not. So why tell your enemy " hey, I have a gun, so make sure you blindside me with your weapon drawn so I don't have a fighting chance."?


I've read it, many times. I'm already farked because I have to ignore one of the first damn lessons and let my enemy pick the battle. The thing is, I don't want the element of surprise. If I have to 'surprise' someone with my sidearm, it's already too farking late. I'd just as soon avoid the situation entirely, and I feel that a good way to do that is by showing would-be attackers that I am armed and willing to defend myself. Yes, you may have practiced you concealed draw (I have myself, you'd be foolish not to if you're going to carry), and you might be pretty damn quick, but I don't care if you're Quickdraw farking McDraw, you'll never be faster than the gun that's already been pulled on you. If you have a gun pointed at you, you'd better A) be pretty farking confident in your disarming abilities, or B) be willing to kiss your wallet goodby, because you aren't going to draw before you get shot.

I've heard the argument that I'll either be the first person shot or I'm going to be smacked over the head for my gun over and farking over, but I've yet to see any evidence that the likelihood of either of those actually happening is above "technically possible". Again, I've only been shown as many examples of it happening as I have personal experiences (my own experiences, not ones I've heard from other people. If you want to go there, I have way more positive examples).

Let me put it to you this way; let's say I told you that you are in idiot for carrying concealed because you'll just snag your sight on your shorts trying to draw (I have actually seen this happen, fortunately it was just a practice session) and drop your gun, meaning you're now shot and the criminal has two guns. Let's say that to prove to you how reasonable my argument is (despite everything you know to the contrary), I provided exactly three examples of it happening. Would you say "Ok, good point, random guy on the internet. I'm going to stop carrying concealed now", or would you say "Dude, you're going to need a whole hell of a lot more evidence than three flukes if you want to convince me of anything."?
 
2013-04-07 12:23:31 AM
We'll call it a "draw" (pun intended)  and agree to disagree.

There are pluses and minuses for both, and much like an abortion debate neither of us is going to sway the other.

I think the takeaway is bravo to us for being responsible citizens for being responsible for our own safety.
 
2013-04-07 01:25:56 AM

CameraMonkey: We'll call it a "draw" (pun intended) and agree to disagree.


I'd have been fine with this if you didn't start out by calling the people who disagreed with you 'morans'. That's a recurring theme in the OC vs CC debate, OC proponents tend to prefer their method but don't care if you chose something else, CC proponents tend to prefer their method but will tell you that anyone who disagrees is a farking idiot. I don't care how you carry, or if you carry. I just want to be left alone. I don't want to sway you, because I want you to do whatever makes you comfortable, and as long as that doesn't harm me or mine I don't much care what that is.
 
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