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(Opposing Views)   Man who police described as "most notorious child porn downloader they've taken into custody" looks exactly the way you think he does   (opposingviews.com) divider line 48
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2013-04-05 11:59:02 AM  
7 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


I am.  I think the death penalty should be done away with.  The crime doesn't matter.  Lock him up, throw away the key (once found guilty).  Can't kill him.

If you can't trust the govt to manage your healthcare then you can't trust them to decide when people should be put to death.  Simple as that.
2013-04-05 11:54:17 AM  
6 votes:
I realize that this is a good thing, its great that we caught the guy. But why don't we go after the distribution networks and sources more often?

I mean hell, Anonymous does a better job of shutting these pervs down than the FBI does
2013-04-05 12:00:24 PM  
5 votes:
Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


Eh, unless he produced it or profitted prom distributing it, I don't see a need for death, or even a long prison term. If there is any evidence that he's actually molested anybody, then I advocate chemical castration.
2013-04-05 12:32:54 PM  
4 votes:

Cold_Sassy: You know, they really should execute people like this. You can never rehabilitate them, it's a sickness. Why waste all the money and psychiatric resources on hopeless cases?


Exactly! This is why the judge gave my brother the death penalty; he had a sickness that cost the taxpayers lots and lots of money, and the public outcry was so great to end my brothers life, because of the waste of resources and burden to society a terminal cancer patient really is, that the judge, who was up for his quarterly review, decided to skew in favour of the mob. Fair's fair, after all.
2013-04-05 04:11:44 PM  
3 votes:

Treygreen13: Are you implying that the possession and distribution of child pornography shouldn't be a crime?


Well, that's one valid consideration.

The other is that maybe it should be a lesser crime.

Or maybe we should be spending our resources chasing around criminal gangs that abduct children, or investigating individuals that are suspected of such activities.

I imagine they put a fine amount of detective work into monitoring, investigating, locating, profiling, and raiding this guy.  You know, hundreds or thousands of man-hours, hundreds of thousands of dollars of police resources, etc.  I see a lot--I mean a LOT--of news articles about how we've got another no-life introvert in jail for wanking it a lot at his PC; but high-profile cases like Sandrusky's butt-farkery hit the screen once in a decade or two.  I think Sandrusky was the first in the history of Internet child pornography.

Now will somebody tell me why we've had ONE child butt-banger roped and tied, and a bunch of autistic kids downloading naked 12 year olds?  Why haven't we had one or two non-news stories of some idiot getting slapped on the wrist for downloading naked pictures, and a flood of court cases of busts of massive human trafficking schemes where small children are abducted from their homes to make child pornography?

See this is the problem.  We're not actually stopping people from banging kids; we're stopping people from being icky.
2013-04-05 12:40:25 PM  
3 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


i am. if it's found that he was touching kids or making the material himself, i might feel different.

you don't get charged with murder for possessing a snuff film.
2013-04-05 12:01:35 PM  
3 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


I say just general pop and let darwin sort it all out
2013-04-05 11:58:30 AM  
3 votes:
Someone in the news room should really think about what will show up before tagging articles.


i.imgur.com
2013-04-05 11:55:40 AM  
3 votes:
oh, I figured it'd be a priest pic.
2013-04-05 02:14:26 PM  
2 votes:

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: I know a lot of folks would like to forego due process

But, I assure you this: The guy is never paying another dollar of rent on his current apartment.  His belongings he will either sell or give to family (or away).  His car will be sold.  Even if he wants to pay rent (again, he won't), the landlord will evict him as soon as possible.  The boilerplate language on his lease has at least 3 clauses that can be used to remove him.  He is down to zero expenses, and he will be getting that $1500/mo. the rest of his life.  He can afford and should want his own counsel.

Thanks for the irrelevant justice lecture, on the end.  I can always use more of that.


That is the most impressive display of seeing the future I've ever seen.  Do the stock market next!  Now, it doesn't really address the idea of even if you are 100% accurate how much trial attorney $1500/mo buys (hint: none), and whether that meaningfully meets the right to counsel, but looking on the bright side, I did find your copy of the Constitution.

inpraiseofargument.squarespace.com
2013-04-05 12:39:47 PM  
2 votes:

cgraves67: Wow. He's got a thin face for a Farker.


He looks like I imagined Gorgor
2013-04-05 12:32:27 PM  
2 votes:
Shearen has a public defender, but that could change very soon. The judge in this case is considering removing the free attorney because Shearen gets $1,500 a month from his Navy pension and has a car which he could sell to pay for a private attorney.

that would be a real dick move on the part of the judge. unless the car is a new lambo there won't be enough from the sale to do squat against the cost of a private attorney. just because the judge has decided he doesn't like this guy it's no reason to fark with him.
2013-04-05 12:32:21 PM  
2 votes:
Second most disturbing thing in the article -

Shearen has a public defender, but that could change very soon. The judge in this case is considering removing the free attorney because Shearen gets $1,500 a month from his Navy pension and has a car which he could sell to pay for a private attorney.

An 18k pension and a used car qualify for a public defender.  I like gettin' tough on criminals as much as the next guy, but show trials are where I draw the line.
2013-04-05 12:14:47 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: "Legal officials became aware of Shearen last month while monitoring child porn websites..."


Nice to know that our "legal officials" monitor child porn websites - rather than shutting them down.

But if they shut them all down, how would they catch guys like this? Maybe they'd have to create their own child pron websites?

You know - for "sting operations"?

Maybe they already have?
2013-04-05 11:57:47 AM  
2 votes:
I wonder if the people looking at the kiddie porn usually participate in such activities.  Maybe it prevents them from doing so.  Anyone seen any research on such things?  I'm scared to Google it.
2013-04-05 06:18:12 PM  
1 votes:

wickedragon: So, please, I beg you. Refute me :(


Think less like a philosopher and more like an economist. Consuming media of this type tells the person creating it that it is in demand. The more perceived demand for it, the more of it will be produced.
2013-04-05 05:57:56 PM  
1 votes:
Before you read this post please be advised that I will discuss a topic which cannot be discussed without a certain amount of foul language and fouler imagery.

Mr. Florida from the news story is not exactly the perfect example for a discussion I had with some friends, but pretty close. It was one of those rare occasions everyone in the local gang of academics were kinda in agreement, and all slightly horrified. The discussion was about victimless crimes (spurred on by a local change in laws regarding prostitution), and one dude studying ethics shoot in an argument that seemed sound and disturbing.

The douchebag in the news story opts out of being the perfect example for the discussion because he distributed child pornography, which we all agreed should be illegal.
 But what if he hadn't? What if he'd just dl'd 500.000 of the most disturbing imagry you could imagine and sat at home wanking away. Should this be illegal?
I mean, yes, it's disgusting as fark, but then again the idea that someone sits down and listens to Soulja Boy or Lil'Wayne because they want to listen to music makes me vomit a little into my mouth.

I don't think anything should be illegal until you can point to a victim and say "There. His/her life was ruined/made worse because of this."

And yes, I'm a father and the idea that someone should molest my kids fills me with rage. "Thinking about murdering somone" rage. But this guy didn't do that.
The idea that someone should profit by such an act, either directly or indirectly is obscene and is one of those things that makes me wonder if Sharia is the way to go (no, not really. It really really isn't). And helping someone profit from it by giving them money is pretty much just as bad.
That someone should distribute in any way depictions of children getting molested is horrific, and is and should be illegal pretty much everywhere. It makes available a theft of a childhood for the enjoyment of others, bringing it into the public sphere, increasing the chance that not only has the kids life been ruined but the complete heinousness becomes public knowledge.

So far I'm guessing everyone is agreeing with me. We're talking disturbing shiat here.

But then it's the fourth step removed from the original crime. The fat perv sitting at home wanking to pics dl'd frome some near sightet bearded dude in Florida. Imagine that he doesn't distribute anything that is downloaded. Imagine that he is not paying for the material in question, which would allow someone else to profit from it.
I mean, yes it's disgusting, but people do disgusting things all the time. If someone is just sitting at home, wanking away, not making the material public to anyone else, not partaking in any molestation, not protecting anyone who does (imagine that all faces are removed or smthn), not giving anyone money for making available this material, not partaing in online foras where pedophilia is encouraged where he could normalize this for others, simply being a dead end on the chain of distribution, a black hole that gives nothing out, neither material nor money: Should this be illegal and why?
Not furthering, promoting or causing damage to those abused in the material. "gaining" in the sense that he's getting satisfaction from it, sure. But people also seem to get satisfaction from other gruesome crimes every day without it being illegal to do so. You see someone get shot in the head, but it's great because it was a democrat governor, or someone accidentally shoots himself but it's just funny because its a republican gun-toating redneck. Douchebaggery of the first degree, sure. Illegal: no.

I would very much like for someone to make an argument for keeping the procurement or storage of these vids and pics illegal, because it feels so wrong to say "no, that should probably be legal." But that's what discussing stuff with philosophers can do with you. Three years after having a discussion you can look at a thread at FARK and just feel dirty, with a perfect understanding of why. Which makes me feel dirtier.

So, please, I beg you. Refute me :(
2013-04-05 04:35:27 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


I'm for removing your right to vote.
2013-04-05 03:36:37 PM  
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: Second most disturbing thing in the article -

Shearen has a public defender, but that could change very soon. The judge in this case is considering removing the free attorney because Shearen gets $1,500 a month from his Navy pension and has a car which he could sell to pay for a private attorney.

An 18k pension and a used car qualify for a public defender.  I like gettin' tough on criminals as much as the next guy, but show trials are where I draw the line.


That whole, "If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided" line is pure bullshiat.  If someone has a job flipping burgers, they'll be deemed "able to afford an attorney".  But a drug dealer with no documented source of income gets free representation.  $1500/month and a used car wouldn't get Lionel Hutz, let alone a competent attorney.  A family lawyer charges $250.hr or more to write a will.  I don't even want to know what a good trail lawyer costs.

If they get to the end of the trial and he's found guilty, I can see confiscating his car and draining his bank account(s) to cover the cost of his defense but refusing to provide counsel for an  accused person is not justice.  I checked my county's procedures and it looks like, here, anyone can ask for a public defender but the judge has the discretion to charge up to $90/hr at the end of the trial.  Sounds like this guy's in a county that determines the financial burden in advance.  Seems backwards.
2013-04-05 03:16:31 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


Why?

We've got the most notorious didn't-kidnap-murder-or-buttfark-any-children they've ever taken into custody.

Why was this guy even arrested?  Were the officers just passing through and one of them was like, "Hey, that's the house of that dude we have that huge file on!"  "What dude?"  "The one who downloads like gazillions of child porn!"  "Ohhhh that guy!  ... hey let's make a short stop and arrest him, huh?"  "Probably should!"  Because if not, I demand to know why they weren't spending their resources tracking down missing children instead.
2013-04-05 02:49:47 PM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship: The right to an appointed attorney is contingent on the person being unable to afford an attorney, professor.  He can afford one.


Here, let me acquaint you with the actual Florida "law" - it's that stuff us regular people use (we write it down and stuff) instead of just making it up or looking into the future with magic powers

"a person who has income that is equal to or less than 200% of the current federal poverty guidelines, or who is unable to pay for the services of a private attorney without substantial hardship to his family, is indigent and qualifies for the services of the Public Defender. "

And now, lets put his income to the test - 200% of the 2013 poverty standard is $22,980. 18000 (1500x12) is "less than" this amount.

Finally, here's some prima facia evidence - a presiding judge in the case provided him one, so he's already  been given legal status as qualifying for public defense.
2013-04-05 02:20:19 PM  
1 votes:
This isn't the top of evil. The people who actually fark the kids are the top of evil. These guys are just broken. I mean, seriously, unless he was raking in cash for what he was doing, this guy was doing something obsessive. If he was telling the truth about wearing children's underwear, he was probably fantasizing about being the kids in the videos, not screwing the kids.
2013-04-05 01:56:03 PM  
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: You know, they really should execute people like this.  You can never rehabilitate them, it's a sickness.  Why waste all the money and psychiatric resources on hopeless cases?

They're broken and you can't fix them.  EVER.


I'm inclined to give him an option: (1) go to jail for life, or (2) being neutered, and given a suspended life sentence to be enforced if he ever touches a computer.
2013-04-05 01:51:26 PM  
1 votes:

nburghmatt: Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?

i am. if it's found that he was touching kids or making the material himself, i might feel different.

you don't get charged with murder for possessing a snuff film.


Came here to say something along the same lines but you said it much better than I could have.

I absolutely abhor what he did, but I'm not yet aware of evidence that he ever, even once, touched a kid.  If that evidence arises, then I'd probably reconsider.
2013-04-05 01:49:52 PM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: Not everyone is an 18 year old in a college dorm.

They have his computer stuff.  And his Underoos collection.  He's being held without bond, meaning he ain't about to make bond as it's not being set to begin with.  His PD has probably already told him his situation. He's not paying his rent.  He's not indigent, he doesn't deserve a free lawyer.


He has been accused, not found guilty.  We currently don't have a "you have to lose of their home and possesions" for folks who have been accused, but not found guilty of anything yet. $1500/mo is indigent by any meaningful standard and to deny someone at that income level a public defender makes a mockery of the idea that we have one.  I know a lot of folks would like to forego due process and move right to the much more fun punishment part, but the idea of justice, in this country anyway, revolves around all people having the right to counsel, a right that takes on real meaning when looking at a felony  conviction and multi-year sentence, and the state has unlimited resources to use against you.  The Lord loves a hanging, but this guy, like everyone else, deserves a trial with a decent defense first.
2013-04-05 12:36:26 PM  
1 votes:

uttertosh: Exactly! This is why the judge gave my brother the death penalty; he had a sickness that cost the taxpayers lots and lots of money, and the public outcry was so great to end my brothers life, because of the waste of resources and burden to society a terminal cancer patient really is, that the judge, who was up for his quarterly review, decided to skew in favour of the mob. Fair's fair, after all.


3/10. Pretty good.
2013-04-05 12:32:24 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


Yes. Try again if it turns out he was molesting kids.
2013-04-05 12:29:53 PM  
1 votes:

studs up: There was a scene in a Mel Gibson movie (I believe) where the interrogator started pounding Mel's toes with a ball peen hammer to get some info. We should start there. I don't want any info. Just start there.


I'm not sure it'll do anything to stop future child pornographers, but pounding Mel Gibson's toes with a ball peen hammer is definitely the place to start.
2013-04-05 12:26:01 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: 500,000- 1 million images and videos?!??

Even if he spends 2 seconds looking at each picture that is 1 to 2 million seconds.

86,400 in a day. Take away sleep, eat, poop, work etc let's say he spent 2 hr a day looking at nothing but child porn. that's 7200 seconds.

That's almost 300-400 days of non stop everyday consequetive child porn viewing and spending only 2 seconds each and that's only images!!! If he spends any more time it goes up exponentially.

you add videos and the guy would've need to spend almost every waking moment for the rest of his life watching child porn images or videos!!!

YIKES!


Or he's just one of those people who downloaded anything and everything without looking at it. I downloaded thousands of songs in a matter of a few weeks ten years ago when P2P's were the super awesome new thing. I bet if I sat down and listened to that entire collection I'd still find songs that were a loop of the same thirty seconds, poor quality, or not the song listed as the title at all. It took months just to organize them in a way where I could find stuff.
2013-04-05 12:25:26 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


You know, they really should execute people like this.  You can never rehabilitate them, it's a sickness.  Why waste all the money and psychiatric resources on hopeless cases?

They're broken and you can't fix them.  EVER.
2013-04-05 12:24:40 PM  
1 votes:

studs up: I know there has been a long history of judicial abuse and false imprisonments and deaths, but, does that mean that the death penalty is off the table for everyone?


No, the reason for not wishing to take another person's life is down to morals, I'm afraid. You either can justify ending another person's life for a crime, or you can't.

HINT: Most moral people can't. (regardless of whether the morals stem from biblical influence, or atheistic humanism, it's been quite the easy moral choice forever - Thou shalt not kill.

Is murder not the taking of another human's life with wilful intent and prejudice, with motive? Then the death penalty is murder. Deal.
2013-04-05 12:22:59 PM  
1 votes:
Well damn, I guess the price of child porn is about sky rocket.  Thanks Obama!
2013-04-05 12:20:43 PM  
1 votes:
Give that guy a shave and he doesn't look very far off from what he was looking at.  He looks like a scared child-man.  He probably had more penis in his mouth by age 10 than most porn stars have had their entire careers.
2013-04-05 12:13:19 PM  
1 votes:

Derigiberble: Someone in the news room should really think about what will show up before tagging articles.


[i.imgur.com image 664x186]


People don't always think these things through... In Phx, I was at a summer film festival, and one of the sponsors was a local alternative newspaper called 'Get Out'... While waiting for the show to start, they are showing slides like usual, and all of the sudden one pops up on screen that says nothing else but GET OUT. No "presented by", "proud partner" not even "magazine or newspaper" after the name, just Get Out in 10 foot high letter on the screen for like 20 seconds.
2013-04-05 12:13:17 PM  
1 votes:
www.theglobaldispatch.com
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Hey kid.....ever see a guy fist a frog before?

/In order for me to go to hell, I would have to leave it first.
2013-04-05 12:12:08 PM  
1 votes:
Good god, I would hate to be this guys lawyer.
2013-04-05 12:10:28 PM  
1 votes:

autopsybeverage: Between 500,000 and one million images? Cant they just right click and look at the properties tab for the folder located at my documents\imasicklittlefarker?


They're probably trying to account for the possible content on his DVD collection. It could be all child porn, or half child porn & half regular porn. Or it could be 1/3 child porn, 1/3 regular porn, and 1/3 weird anime rape games. Or it could be all child porn and one copy of Ernest Goes to Camp. You just never know.
2013-04-05 12:09:47 PM  
1 votes:

uttertosh: Private_Citizen: come at me bro

Oh, it is SO on....


Ok, of all possible responses, that's pretty funny. You're alright.
2013-04-05 12:08:55 PM  
1 votes:
Assuming parents adequately supervise their children, how do these images get produced in the first place?
/Just kidding, parents don't control their kids anymore.
//Michael Jackson
2013-04-05 12:03:59 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?


me. Come do something about me, ITG.

blatz514: Shearen appeared antsy and was shaking while keeping his head down.

I'm guessing he needed his kiddy diddler fix?


Maybe he's acutely aware of how short a stay in jail he's in for.  Like not lasting long, short.
2013-04-05 12:01:33 PM  
1 votes:

Slam Dunkz: If you can't trust the govt to manage your healthcare then you can't trust them to decide when people should be put to death


^
2013-04-05 12:00:25 PM  
1 votes:
clarification: the suspect LOOKS like our curator.

/I have nothing incriminating on our curator. Except that he's a 70yo lifelong bachelor whose toupée couldn't be less convincing if it had a chinstrap.
2013-04-05 12:00:25 PM  
1 votes:
Wouldn't it hurt like hell to wear kids undies? Isn't he a full-grown dude? Is that even possible?
2013-04-05 11:57:33 AM  
1 votes:
The style's a bit dated, but he's got better hair than I'd expected.
2013-04-05 11:56:29 AM  
1 votes:
First thing I thought of

www.opposingviews.comupload.wikimedia.org
2013-04-05 11:56:26 AM  
1 votes:
He doesn't look like a priest to me.
2013-04-05 11:56:00 AM  
1 votes:
Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?
2013-04-05 11:55:02 AM  
1 votes:
pinchmysalt.tv
 
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