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2013-04-05 12:53:57 PM

Cold_Sassy: Sure, why not?


Quite so! I mean, I deserve the death penalty for the cost of my asthma medication alone (no, really, the price of seretide is farking criminal!)
 
2013-04-05 12:54:34 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Give that guy a shave and he doesn't look very far off from what he was looking at.  He looks like a scared child-man.  He probably had more penis in his mouth by age 10 than most porn stars have had their entire careers.


You write Twilight fanfic, don't you? :-)
 
2013-04-05 12:55:25 PM
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Hi-di-ho, neighbor.
 
2013-04-05 12:56:35 PM
What I don't get is why are kids so some damn sexy?
So sexy that you would want to collect millions of pictures of them and wear kiddy underwear?!

I've worn kiddy underwear myself...but when I was a kid.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:18 PM
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I thought this guy looked familiar. The accused is on the left, and on the right is U.S. Attorney Lincoln Potter from season 4 Sons of Anarchy.

/Yes, i do have a lot of free time on my hands.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:36 PM

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: The Muthaship: $1,500/mo. and no living expenses.

How do you figure "no living expenses"?

I'm hoping like hell he is being held on bond.


I am pretty sure his landlord doesn't accept "I'm in jail" in lieu of rent, among other things.
 
2013-04-05 12:59:23 PM
"He is the No. 1 person that can distribute child pornography throughout the world," said Duncan. "And he's been doing it."

He CAN?  Why the fark would somebody give him permission to do this?
 
2013-04-05 01:01:45 PM

Paul Baumer: I am pretty sure his landlord doesn't accept "I'm in jail" in lieu of rent, among other things.


You think he's going to pay his rent from jail?  Ok, sorry I wasted our time.
 
2013-04-05 01:02:04 PM

uttertosh: They also like to rape and kill pot dealers.


They do? Pot dealers specifically? I've never been in prison, but I've never heard that.

Or are you implying that since murder and rape happens in prison, everyone sent to prison deserved to be murdered and raped?

(Hey, this is sort of fun, assigning people hilariously indefensible positions! I should do this more often!)
 
2013-04-05 01:04:24 PM
Yep, he looks like a Trekkie...
 
2013-04-05 01:05:08 PM
Actually I didn't expect him to look disturbingly similar to Jim Henson.
 
2013-04-05 01:06:19 PM

uttertosh: studs up: I know there has been a long history of judicial abuse and false imprisonments and deaths, but, does that mean that the death penalty is off the table for everyone?

No, the reason for not wishing to take another person's life is down to morals, I'm afraid. You either can justify ending another person's life for a crime, or you can't.

HINT: Most moral people can't. (regardless of whether the morals stem from biblical influence, or atheistic humanism, it's been quite the easy moral choice forever - Thou shalt not kill.

Is murder not the taking of another human's life with wilful intent and prejudice, with motive? Then the death penalty is murder. Deal.


Hint: The bible kills the shiat out of tons of people for less. Goethe may have said something about capital punishment but I don't know what it is, do you? Were you thinking George Bernard Shaw?
FYI: murder - The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse. There's a tricky word in there, see if you can find it. If you don't accept this definition, you should be screaming that GWB and BO were/are the heads of a murder spree company in Iraq and Afghanistan. You should be calling for their lifetime imprisonment as well as the members of the armed services that have killed in these wars.
Sack up and go after them IF you really can't tell the difference. If you can, then your argument is fallacious and you should feel bad for foisting it upon us.
Deal.
 
2013-04-05 01:06:50 PM
someone here at work suggested a locked and sealed room. lined walls, one small observation window and a gun and a single bullet.

lock him in, give him the choice. use the bullet on himself or starve. someone else suggested putting two of them in there and give the gun to one and the bullet to the other. first one to fight and get both gets to kill themselves first. loser gets to starve with a dead body in the room.

i think i figured out that some of my coworkers aren't very nice.
 
2013-04-05 01:11:02 PM
Actually, no. That mugshot does not match up with my pre-conceived image of what a kiddier porner would look like.
This guy looks too "wild." I'd picture someone a little more conventional, but with a touch of evil in his eyes.
 
2013-04-05 01:12:15 PM
i4.ytimg.com
In-famous?!
 
2013-04-05 01:14:10 PM

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I thought this guy looked familiar. The accused is on the left, and on the right is U.S. Attorney Lincoln Potter from season 4 Sons of Anarchy.

/Yes, i do have a lot of free time on my hands.


YES!

He's also the Reverend Smith on Deadwood and the Bona-Fide Suiter in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"

Though the accused is not at all what I envision when I imagine the Notorious CPD. I expected someone more doughy, with short hair & no beard. Dribbly moustache optional.
 
2013-04-05 01:16:19 PM

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: I am pretty sure his landlord doesn't accept "I'm in jail" in lieu of rent, among other things.

You think he's going to pay his rent from jail?  Ok, sorry I wasted our time.


So, if you were in jail on bond awaiting trial you'd just let someone evict you, despite the fact you might bond out, the trial might not be for years, you might be you know, innocent or cleared of charges, or any number of things, like your family lives there too or something.  But nope, the thing to do is show that goddam landlord who's boss, not pay rent, and let all your possessions be thrown on the side of the road.  

Not everyone is an 18 year old in a college dorm.
 
2013-04-05 01:28:15 PM

Paul Baumer: Not everyone is an 18 year old in a college dorm.


They have his computer stuff.  And his Underoos collection.  He's being held without bond, meaning he ain't about to make bond as it's not being set to begin with.  His PD has probably already told him his situation. He's not paying his rent.  He's not indigent, he doesn't deserve a free lawyer.
 
2013-04-05 01:30:24 PM

Cold_Sassy: Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?

You know, they really should execute people like this.  You can never rehabilitate them, it's a sickness.  Why waste all the money and psychiatric resources on hopeless cases?

They're broken and you can't fix them.  EVER.


You can't change what they think but you can certainly change what they do.
 
2013-04-05 01:30:31 PM

Head_Shot: Wouldn't it hurt like hell to wear kids undies? Isn't he a full-grown dude? Is that even possible?


Hefty/Plus sizes for children didn't exist during your childhood? You sound old.
 
2013-04-05 01:34:18 PM

Smell the Glove: Actually I didn't expect him to look disturbingly similar to Jim Henson.


Well thats two of us who caught it.
 
2013-04-05 01:34:47 PM

Earl of Chives: He's downloaded 500,000 to 1 million images and police just noticed him 1 month ago? Real nice police work there boys.


IF it was that easy to track people on the internet doing things they don't want to be caught doing, Anonymous would have doxed all of the pedos by now.
 
2013-04-05 01:35:26 PM

Treygreen13: autopsybeverage: Between 500,000 and one million images? Cant they just right click and look at the properties tab for the folder located at my documents\imasicklittlefarker?

They're probably trying to account for the possible content on his DVD collection. It could be all child porn, or half child porn & half regular porn. Or it could be 1/3 child porn, 1/3 regular porn, and 1/3 weird anime rape games. Or it could be all child porn and one copy of Ernest Goes to Camp. You just never know.


The poor investigators that have to determine that. So sad.
 
2013-04-05 01:37:33 PM

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Hey kid.....ever see a guy fist a frog before?

/In order for me to go to hell, I would have to leave it first.


I'm sorry to hear you're stuck in California and can't afford to move.
 
2013-04-05 01:37:49 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: "Legal officials became aware of Shearen last month while monitoring child porn websites..."


Nice to know that our "legal officials" monitor child porn websites - rather than shutting them down.

But if they shut them all down, how would they catch guys like this? Maybe they'd have to create their own child pron websites?

You know - for "sting operations"?

Maybe they already have?


They are called "honey pots"
 
2013-04-05 01:47:24 PM

Madame Ovary: Head_Shot: Wouldn't it hurt like hell to wear kids undies? Isn't he a full-grown dude? Is that even possible?

Hefty/Plus sizes for children didn't exist during your childhood? You sound old.


I was a child of the 60s-70s. I think I was 15 when Underoos came out. So yeah, old. And smoking hot.
 
2013-04-05 01:49:52 PM

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: Not everyone is an 18 year old in a college dorm.

They have his computer stuff.  And his Underoos collection.  He's being held without bond, meaning he ain't about to make bond as it's not being set to begin with.  His PD has probably already told him his situation. He's not paying his rent.  He's not indigent, he doesn't deserve a free lawyer.


He has been accused, not found guilty.  We currently don't have a "you have to lose of their home and possesions" for folks who have been accused, but not found guilty of anything yet. $1500/mo is indigent by any meaningful standard and to deny someone at that income level a public defender makes a mockery of the idea that we have one.  I know a lot of folks would like to forego due process and move right to the much more fun punishment part, but the idea of justice, in this country anyway, revolves around all people having the right to counsel, a right that takes on real meaning when looking at a felony  conviction and multi-year sentence, and the state has unlimited resources to use against you.  The Lord loves a hanging, but this guy, like everyone else, deserves a trial with a decent defense first.
 
2013-04-05 01:51:26 PM

nburghmatt: Private_Citizen: Ok, let's get the ball rolling right:

Anyone against the Death penalty for this creep?
Anyone?

i am. if it's found that he was touching kids or making the material himself, i might feel different.

you don't get charged with murder for possessing a snuff film.


Came here to say something along the same lines but you said it much better than I could have.

I absolutely abhor what he did, but I'm not yet aware of evidence that he ever, even once, touched a kid.  If that evidence arises, then I'd probably reconsider.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:54 PM

This About That: If he's notorious, why haven't I heard of him?


This.  The vocabulary of the US has become so polluted that we might as well adopt Newspeak.  He's not notorious.  He's double-plus ungood.
 
2013-04-05 01:56:03 PM

Cold_Sassy: You know, they really should execute people like this.  You can never rehabilitate them, it's a sickness.  Why waste all the money and psychiatric resources on hopeless cases?

They're broken and you can't fix them.  EVER.


I'm inclined to give him an option: (1) go to jail for life, or (2) being neutered, and given a suspended life sentence to be enforced if he ever touches a computer.
 
2013-04-05 02:01:57 PM

Paul Baumer: I know a lot of folks would like to forego due process


Smooth segue.  I am not such a person.  But, I assure you this: The guy is never paying another dollar of rent on his current apartment.  His belongings he will either sell or give to family (or away).  His car will be sold.  Even if he wants to pay rent (again, he won't), the landlord will evict him as soon as possible.  The boilerplate language on his lease has at least 3 clauses that can be used to remove him.  He is down to zero expenses, and he will be getting that $1500/mo. the rest of his life.  He can afford and should want his own counsel.

Thanks for the irrelevant justice lecture, on the end.  I can always use more of that.
 
2013-04-05 02:10:49 PM

Treygreen13: uttertosh: They also like to rape and kill pot dealers.

They do? Pot dealers specifically? I've never been in prison, but I've never heard that.

Or are you implying that since murder and rape happens in prison, everyone sent to prison deserved to be murdered and raped?

(Hey, this is sort of fun, assigning people hilariously indefensible positions! I should do this more often!)


it's what fark is for, no? amadoinitrong?
 
2013-04-05 02:12:34 PM
Dude looks like he timewarped out of the 70's or possibly early 80's. For some reason I find that extra creepy.

\time traveling pedobear?
 
2013-04-05 02:13:44 PM

studs up: GWB and BO were/are the heads of a murder spree company in Iraq and Afghanistan. You should be calling for their lifetime imprisonment as well as the members of the armed services that have killed in these wars.


GWB started it....

And, no, those serving the orders of their superiors should not be convicted of doing their jerb. The superiours, OTOH, well... Let's just say I'm not a big fan, ja?
 
2013-04-05 02:14:26 PM

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: I know a lot of folks would like to forego due process

But, I assure you this: The guy is never paying another dollar of rent on his current apartment.  His belongings he will either sell or give to family (or away).  His car will be sold.  Even if he wants to pay rent (again, he won't), the landlord will evict him as soon as possible.  The boilerplate language on his lease has at least 3 clauses that can be used to remove him.  He is down to zero expenses, and he will be getting that $1500/mo. the rest of his life.  He can afford and should want his own counsel.

Thanks for the irrelevant justice lecture, on the end.  I can always use more of that.


That is the most impressive display of seeing the future I've ever seen.  Do the stock market next!  Now, it doesn't really address the idea of even if you are 100% accurate how much trial attorney $1500/mo buys (hint: none), and whether that meaningfully meets the right to counsel, but looking on the bright side, I did find your copy of the Constitution.

inpraiseofargument.squarespace.com
 
2013-04-05 02:18:25 PM
FTA:   "... and he has a DVD collection of child pornography. So, we have a lot of work to do."

/ and lo' did the FBI fap, and fap, and fap again !
 
2013-04-05 02:19:07 PM

Paul Baumer: how much trial attorney $1500/mo buys (hint: none)


$1500/mo. for 20 years buys a great one.

And I'm all for his rights, not sure why you think otherwise.  His right to appointed counsel has contingencies he doesn't meet.
 
2013-04-05 02:20:19 PM
This isn't the top of evil. The people who actually fark the kids are the top of evil. These guys are just broken. I mean, seriously, unless he was raking in cash for what he was doing, this guy was doing something obsessive. If he was telling the truth about wearing children's underwear, he was probably fantasizing about being the kids in the videos, not screwing the kids.
 
2013-04-05 02:22:51 PM

Fano: Igor Jakovsky: He looks like rasputin. Rasputin was a priest wasn't he?

Ra ra Lover of the Russian queen


Ra Ra John Shearen
Lover of the child porn
There was a cat who really was gone.

Ra Ra John Shearen
Computer was his love machine
It was a shame how he carried on
 
2013-04-05 02:28:09 PM
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The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: how much trial attorney $1500/mo buys (hint: none)

$1500/mo. for 20 years buys a great one.


Find me a trial attorney that works on a 20 year payment plan  

And I'm all for his rights, not sure why you think otherwise.

Because you apparently don't think he's poor enough to warrant a public defender, despite having an income below the US poverty line.

His right to appointed counsel has contingencies he doesn't meet.

WTF does this even mean?  I thinkyou have simply butchered the use of word "contingencies" and really meant "standards", but I'll let you confirm.  By the way, do you even know what the standard is for a public defense since you are so sure he doesn't meet them?  I'm  guessing "no", but surprise me.
 
2013-04-05 02:32:20 PM
Leesburg? well ain't that just dandy..
 
2013-04-05 02:33:20 PM

Paul Baumer: Find me a trial attorney that works on a 20 year payment plan


3 years gets him $50k.  I can find you as many as you want.

Paul Baumer: Because you apparently don't think he's poor enough to warrant a public defender, despite having an income below the US poverty line.


You have no idea what his income is, neither do I.  At minimum he gets $1500 a month.  Forever.

Paul Baumer: WTF does this even mean?  I thinkyou have simply butchered the use of word "contingencies" and really meant "standards", but I'll let you confirm.  By the way, do you even know what the standard is for a public defense since you are so sure he doesn't meet them?  I'm  guessing "no", but surprise me.


The right to an appointed attorney is contingent on the person being unable to afford an attorney, professor.  He can afford one.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:11 PM

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: I know a lot of folks would like to forego due process

Smooth segue.  I am not such a person.  But, I assure you this: The guy is never paying another dollar of rent on his current apartment.  His belongings he will either sell or give to family (or away).  His car will be sold.  Even if he wants to pay rent (again, he won't), the landlord will evict him as soon as possible.  The boilerplate language on his lease has at least 3 clauses that can be used to remove him.  He is down to zero expenses, and he will be getting that $1500/mo. the rest of his life.  He can afford and should want his own counsel.

Thanks for the irrelevant justice lecture, on the end.  I can always use more of that.


You think any private lawyer will touch this case for $1500/month plus the proceeds from a used car sale?

No, I think you're smarter than that. If you want to deny him a public defender based on the fact that he has $1500/month and a used car to sell, your motive is quite clear.

If this guy is guilty (and it certainly looks that way) then justice will be easily served and he will be incarcerated for the rest of his useful life. The best a public defender, or any private lawyer, could do would be to get an acquittal based on a technicality. The likely outcome is a plea bargain. Still, it'll take some work to get there and I doubt $1500/month is going to do it, unless he goes the "just enter a guilty plea and try to keep me off death row" route.
 
2013-04-05 02:39:19 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: You think any private lawyer will touch this case for $1500/month plus the proceeds from a used car sale?


I agree that this is a pretty clear plea deal case.  That's why the lawyer would agree to the installment plan.  A good private attorney would take this case for $15k with a built in increase if there's a trial to maybe $25k.  Wouldn't take long to get that money at $1000-$1200 a month, and he still has plenty of money for the commissary.
 
2013-04-05 02:44:05 PM

The Muthaship: Paul Baumer: Find me a trial attorney that works on a 20 year payment plan

3 years gets him $50k.  I can find you as many as you want.


Okay, find three.
 
2013-04-05 02:46:19 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Okay, find three.


Do you really think a lawyer wouldn't take a guaranteed $1000-$1500 a month payment plan?  Or do I have to provide letters of representation?
 
2013-04-05 02:49:47 PM

The Muthaship: The right to an appointed attorney is contingent on the person being unable to afford an attorney, professor.  He can afford one.


Here, let me acquaint you with the actual Florida "law" - it's that stuff us regular people use (we write it down and stuff) instead of just making it up or looking into the future with magic powers

"a person who has income that is equal to or less than 200% of the current federal poverty guidelines, or who is unable to pay for the services of a private attorney without substantial hardship to his family, is indigent and qualifies for the services of the Public Defender. "

And now, lets put his income to the test - 200% of the 2013 poverty standard is $22,980. 18000 (1500x12) is "less than" this amount.

Finally, here's some prima facia evidence - a presiding judge in the case provided him one, so he's already  been given legal status as qualifying for public defense.
 
2013-04-05 02:50:37 PM

The Muthaship: Do you really think a lawyer wouldn't take a guaranteed $1000-$1500 a month payment plan?


Know how I know you've never hired an attorney on a payment plan?
 
2013-04-05 02:56:39 PM
At least he went out on top!

/Gross
 
2013-04-05 03:00:50 PM

The Muthaship: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Okay, find three.

Do you really think a lawyer wouldn't take a guaranteed $1000-$1500 a month payment plan?  Or do I have to provide letters of representation?


You're the one who said, "I can find you as many as you want." I think three is a reasonable number because you are not sitting in jail, so you have a pretty big advantage.

Now, having just read the linked WFTV article that has a tiny bit more info, "Agents said Shearen admitted his crimes." So, he could be denied a public defender who would likely just enter a plea deal. Or he could get to his hearing, declare that he couldn't find a lawyer to represent him, and get one then. It just seems like a BS way to derail a slam-dunk case.
 
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