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2013-04-05 09:53:01 AM  
Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.
 
2013-04-05 09:54:58 AM  
1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?
 
2013-04-05 09:59:51 AM  

NateGrey: 1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?


I'd like to add Superman: Kal.

Slightly obscure story, set in medievel times. A little on the predictable side, but well done, I thought.
 
2013-04-05 11:34:31 AM  

NateGrey: 1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?


Maybe "Flashpoint" was good, but what came out of it has been (mostly) crap ever since.
 
2013-04-05 11:34:54 AM  
The Batman part of it was actually really good. I liked the twist with the Joker.
 
2013-04-05 11:38:08 AM  
Just tell Knight of Vengeance as an Elseworlds tale.
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2013-04-05 11:38:09 AM  

Rwa2play: NateGrey: 1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?

Maybe "Flashpoint" was good, but what came out of it has been (mostly) crap ever since.


Cant argue with that. But something had to be done with the convoluted timelines/histories/universes.
 
2013-04-05 11:39:28 AM  
Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

geektyrant.com
 
2013-04-05 11:39:45 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The Batman part of it was actually really good. I liked the twist with the Joker.


That was the best part about Flashpoint.
 
2013-04-05 11:49:51 AM  

NateGrey: Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

[geektyrant.com image 511x285]


The final fight in the book was excellent, but I think the animated version was even more brutal and well done.  It really emphasized the fact that Batman could've killed Superman if he wanted to.
 
2013-04-05 11:50:08 AM  

The English Major: Mad_Radhu: The Batman part of it was actually really good. I liked the twist with the Joker.

That was the best part about Flashpoint.


That was seriously kind of amazing.  Just all of that reveal, but especially the Joker's reaction to finding out that the timeline was being 'fixed' and what that meant.
 
2013-04-05 11:50:41 AM  

NateGrey: Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

[geektyrant.com image 511x285]


I thought the second half was a bit of a dissapointment after the first, but I did enjoy it.

But they really should have included more of the incredibly arch narration from the original.

A wolf howls. I know how he feels
 
2013-04-05 11:50:47 AM  
"A doctor?"

/chills
 
2013-04-05 11:51:07 AM  

NateGrey: Rwa2play: NateGrey: 1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?

Maybe "Flashpoint" was good, but what came out of it has been (mostly) crap ever since.

Cant argue with that. But something had to be done with the convoluted timelines/histories/universes.


True; but the results have been crap...

-- A Wonder Woman series that I've seen before on TV but was named "Hercules".

-- A Justice League that's convoluted as hell

-- Many titles cancelled and replaced with other titles...which are cancelled within weeks of their launch.  Rinse and repeat.

-- Chaos within DC editorial; it seems they keep losing writers/artists every month or so.

Wonder how much more money Time Warner are going to continue sinking into this before they pull the plug on TPTB and install people that will restore DC to some respectability.

/And don't get me started on their live action...holy crap.
 
2013-04-05 11:51:16 AM  

NateGrey: Rwa2play: NateGrey: 1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?

Maybe "Flashpoint" was good, but what came out of it has been (mostly) crap ever since.

Cant argue with that. But something had to be done with the convoluted timelines/histories/universes.


What convoluted histories/timelines/universes?

Those were taken care of in '85, '94, and again in '06. And honestly, there were no problems in those cases that couldn't be ignored.

The only problems were that Geoff Johns and Dan Didio insist on it being 1973 without the fun and campiness.
 
2013-04-05 11:53:26 AM  

Rwa2play: True; but the results have been crap...


Not to mention that DC apparently doesn't want us to remember that Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain exist.
 
2013-04-05 11:59:16 AM  

texdent: Rwa2play: True; but the results have been crap...

Not to mention that DC apparently doesn't want us to remember that Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain exist.


And the best Flash ever. You know, the one with a personality, and that people cared about... not the lame-ass Silver Age one that was more interesting as a corpse, but had to be brought back because DC Editorial hates anything created after their 13th birthdays...

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2013-04-05 12:01:20 PM  

texdent: Rwa2play: True; but the results have been crap...

Not to mention that DC apparently doesn't want us to remember that Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain exist.


Yet want Carrie Kelly to be the new Robin.  Not a bad thing but...

I still think that "Trinity War" will be the end point for the DCnU and that they'll trot out the excuse of "It was always a temporary thing" in order to bring back the mainstream DCU.

/At least Zatanna gets out of that idiotic goth look she had
//But now she looks like she's Superwoman
///Yeah...DC doesn't look too bright at this point now do they?
 
2013-04-05 12:02:33 PM  

AntonChigger: NateGrey: Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

[geektyrant.com image 511x285]

The final fight in the book was excellent, but I think the animated version was even more brutal and well done.  It really emphasized the fact that Batman could've killed Superman if he wanted to.


Yeah I agree, really loved that. It felt different watching it rather than reading the panels.


You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: But they really should have included more of the incredibly arch narration from the original.


Was disappointed narrations werent included, think it could of added weight to alot of scenes.


FirstNationalBastard: What convoluted histories/timelines/universes?


Hardcore comic book readers wouldnt find fault, but I understand their reasoning.

Here is Harras and Berganza:

Nrama: I'd like to review what led to the decision to make this move. Every change has reason behind it. What was the reason for DC to make such drastic changes?

Berganza: I think Bob and I like using the "party" line, or party analogy, if you will. We had created a party that was very exclusive. We weren't letting a lot of people in.

What we're saying is that we're opening the doors really wide. We want everybody to come in. We want to everybody who wants to read periodicals, or wants to read a story on their iPod or iPad - everybody.

Harras: It really comes from the fact that we love these characters, and we want to share them in the broadest possible way. Eddie and I were both fans before we became professionals, and we just really want to reinvigorate everyone and get them excited about Superman, Batman and the whole line of DC characters.
Link

Its all part of the cycle, Crisis etc...
 
2013-04-05 12:02:35 PM  
The best parts of Flash Point:

1) A bad-ass evil Aquaman.

2) The Joker.

3) The Batman.

4) Superman.

5) Cyborg.
 
2013-04-05 12:06:16 PM  
And to add to the New 52, some results as of January:

Before the new 52, two years ago in January 2011, DC had a 26.38 percent retail dollar market share and and 31.8 percent of overall unit sales of the direct market. Marvel had 39.06 percent of the dollar share and 42.37 percent of the product market share, according to numbers provided by Diamond Comic Distributors, the company that supplies nearly all comic shops that receives weekly shipment.In December 2012, (last month), the retail dollar market share for Marvel was 33.40 percent and 29.69 percent for DC. Unit market share was 36.1 percent for Marvel and 34.84 percent for DC.

That's about a three and a half percent increase for dollar market share and about a three percent increase in dollar share if you if you compare January 2011 to December 2012.
Link
 
2013-04-05 12:06:32 PM  

Infernalist: A bad-ass evil Aquaman


From my understanding, he wasn't really evil just in big misunderstanding war with Wonder Woman.
 
2013-04-05 12:06:39 PM  

PizzaJedi81: NateGrey: 1) Its not the next movie Superman: Unbound is.
2) Did you even read Flashpoint subby? It was a good series. The art? Thomas Wayne?

I'd like to add Superman: Kal.

Slightly obscure story, set in medievel times. A little on the predictable side, but well done, I thought.


If we're going with obscure old Elseworlds stories, I wouldn't mind seeing an adaptation of Shogun of Steel.  Maybe with Shinichiro Watanabe as the animator.
 
2013-04-05 12:16:38 PM  

NateGrey: ...
Hardcore comic book readers wouldnt find fault, but I understand their reasoning.

Here is Harras and Berganza:

Nrama: I'd like to review what led to the decision to make this move. Every change has reason behind it. What was the reason for DC to make such drastic changes?

Berganza: I think Bob and I like using the "party" line, or party analogy, if you will. We had created a party that was very exclusive. We weren't letting a lot of people in.

What we're saying is that we're opening the doors really wide. We want everybody to come in. We want to everybody who wants to read periodicals, or wants to read a story on their iPod or iPad - everybody.

Harras: It really comes from the fact that we love these characters, and we want to share them in the broadest possible way. Eddie and I were both fans before we became professionals, and we just really want to reinvigorate everyone and get them excited about Superman, Batman and the whole line of DC characters. Link

Its all part of the cycle, Crisis etc...


But really, that's total and utter horseshiat.

Final Crisis had re-opened up the DC multiverse, so they could have any number of storylines and if continuity got in the way they could just have it in a occur in different universe. It wasn't exclusive at all, or at least it didn't have to be.

They chickend out, so they decided to start from scratch (again) and they handed far too much of it to guys like Geoff Johns, who's been short on enough good ideas to fill the number of different titles he writes for years now.

They needed get back to writing decent stories, instead they went for yet another reboot.

Also, Wally West was the best Flash.
 
2013-04-05 12:23:14 PM  
I won't be satisfied until DCAU does either a movie or a series centered on Dr. Fate running a retreat for wayward superheroes a la Season 1 of JLU, but in the meantime I'm ok with this.
 
2013-04-05 12:23:17 PM  

NateGrey: And to add to the New 52, some results as of January:

Before the new 52, two years ago in January 2011, DC had a 26.38 percent retail dollar market share and and 31.8 percent of overall unit sales of the direct market. Marvel had 39.06 percent of the dollar share and 42.37 percent of the product market share, according to numbers provided by Diamond Comic Distributors, the company that supplies nearly all comic shops that receives weekly shipment.In December 2012, (last month), the retail dollar market share for Marvel was 33.40 percent and 29.69 percent for DC. Unit market share was 36.1 percent for Marvel and 34.84 percent for DC.

That's about a three and a half percent increase for dollar market share and about a three percent increase in dollar share if you if you compare January 2011 to December 2012. Link


Yeah, but there was a massive marketing push at the same time and a big move into digital distribution, neither of which has anything really to do with how crap New 52 is.
 
2013-04-05 12:23:45 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Final Crisis had re-opened up the DC multiverse, so they could have any number of storylines and if continuity got in the way they could just have it in a occur in different universe. It wasn't exclusive at all, or at least it didn't have to be.

They chickend out, so they decided to start from scratch (again) and they handed far too much of it to guys like Geoff Johns, who's been short on enough good ideas to fill the number of different titles he writes for years now.

They needed get back to writing decent stories, instead they went for yet another reboot.


Yeah, I mean I really don't understand the theory behind that other than they didn't want any other reboot story but the perfect reboot story.

The "second album" syndrome hit Johns and under the worst of circumstances.
 
2013-04-05 12:23:45 PM  
www.abload.de

Note the question being asked to Flash
 
2013-04-05 12:50:20 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: NateGrey: ...
Hardcore comic book readers wouldnt find fault, but I understand their reasoning.

Here is Harras and Berganza:

Nrama: I'd like to review what led to the decision to make this move. Every change has reason behind it. What was the reason for DC to make such drastic changes?

Berganza: I think Bob and I like using the "party" line, or party analogy, if you will. We had created a party that was very exclusive. We weren't letting a lot of people in.

What we're saying is that we're opening the doors really wide. We want everybody to come in. We want to everybody who wants to read periodicals, or wants to read a story on their iPod or iPad - everybody.

Harras: It really comes from the fact that we love these characters, and we want to share them in the broadest possible way. Eddie and I were both fans before we became professionals, and we just really want to reinvigorate everyone and get them excited about Superman, Batman and the whole line of DC characters. Link

Its all part of the cycle, Crisis etc...

But really, that's total and utter horseshiat.

Final Crisis had re-opened up the DC multiverse, so they could have any number of storylines and if continuity got in the way they could just have it in a occur in different universe. It wasn't exclusive at all, or at least it didn't have to be.

They chickend out, so they decided to start from scratch (again) and they handed far too much of it to guys like Geoff Johns, who's been short on enough good ideas to fill the number of different titles he writes for years now.

They needed get back to writing decent stories, instead they went for yet another reboot.

Also, Wally West was the best Flash.


I think the major problem with Johns is that he doesn't have an editor. He can toss any crap he wants to on the page and no one will challenge him.

Oh, sure, someone may be listed as "Editor" on his books, but who is going to tell the boss "Hey, this is shiat, go back and write something that didn't fall from your anus after a two day bender."?

When he was on Stars and STRIPE, and his early JSA run, he had an editor. And the books were much better for it.
 
2013-04-05 12:53:51 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.


Oh, so you're the guy who's been living in my head. You know that I have to start charging you rent, right?
 
2013-04-05 12:59:11 PM  

AntonChigger: NateGrey: Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

[geektyrant.com image 511x285]

The final fight in the book was excellent, but I think the animated version was even more brutal and well done.  It really emphasized the fact that Batman could've killed Superman if he wanted to.


Kind of.

People always point to these sequence as evidence that The Bat is the bigger badass in a fight, but a big part of this was that Superman didn't want to kill Batman, either. It's clear that if Superman really wanted Batman dead, he could have simply fried him instead of spelling out "WHERE?" on the lawn.

So, yeah, Bruce could have killed Clark is he truly wanted to, but the inverse holds true as well. If Clark really wanted Bruce dead, Bruce would be dead. Fortunately, even tDK version of Superman isn't willing to go that far. (Otherwise, we'd be reading Irredeemable.)
 
2013-04-05 01:07:06 PM  

NateGrey: Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

[geektyrant.com image 511x285]


"would have"

"would of" is a corruption of "would've," an abbreviation for "would have." "would of" makes no sense.

/yes, but this one is worse than usual
 
2013-04-05 01:13:57 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: ...
Oh, sure, someone may be listed as "Editor" on his books, but who is going to tell the boss "Hey, this is shiat, go back and write something that didn't fall from your anus after a two day bender."?

When he was on Stars and STRIPE, and his early JSA run, he had an editor. And the books were much better for it.

 

Maybe that's it.

I've generally thought that it's more he's just doing too much.

He's a good enough writer, but when he's working on a lot of books he has a habit of raiding past stories for ideas and, frankly, his interpretation of those ideas isn't always particulary good.

I really noticed it with what he did with Alan Moore's contributions to the Green Lantern mythos. Mogo didn't need a special function to be a part of the corps, the Five Inversions were way more creepy when they were these demonic entities who destroyed Abin Sur just by planting doubt in his mind.
 
2013-04-05 01:29:50 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Yeah, but there was a massive marketing push at the same time and a big move into digital distribution, neither of which has anything really to do with how crap New 52 is.


Thats true, the article touched on that:

Rich Johnson over at Bleeding Cool calls this very successful overall for DC because their numbers were trending downward after January 2011 before the reboot was announced. His point is that this shouldn't be looked at as a three percent increase but an increase that prevented DC from losing even more dollars and market share. But the most lasting impact on the reboot might have been their decision to go same day digital with all their comics. And we are missing those sales figures.
 
2013-04-05 01:30:49 PM  

Flying Code Monkey: NateGrey: Thought this movie was an amazing adaption, would of liked Kevin Conroy to do the voice though:

[geektyrant.com image 511x285]

"would have"

"would of" is a corruption of "would've," an abbreviation for "would have." "would of" makes no sense.

/yes, but this one is worse than usual


lol your only contribution to the thread is being a grammer nazi? I would of cared. But I does not.
 
2013-04-05 01:37:09 PM  
Also the majority of the characters that were married in the previous continuity, are no longer together
 
2013-04-05 01:38:33 PM  
Was also really disappointed to see Bruce Timm leaving his position at DC Animated, though temporarily.

If DC Really wanted to make a good Justice League movie, they need him on set every day.
 
2013-04-05 01:41:40 PM  
Seems like DC has just given up hope of ever catching up to Marvel.
 
2013-04-05 01:43:11 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.


"Kingdom Come" is farking awful. Yeah, it's weird and violent and stylish, but the plot makes no sense at all, and nothing actually HAPPENS. The artwork is cool, though.
 
2013-04-05 01:46:35 PM  

Hugh2d2: Seems like DC has just given up hope of ever catching up to Marvel.


And it's not like DC didn't give itself a chance, it had chances and blew them in a rather spectacular fashion.

"Superman Returns", the decision to turn down Whedon's "Wonder Woman" movie, "Green Lantern" and possibly countless other ideas that haven't seen the light of day might've made a difference.  I can tell you "Man of Steel" won't be that difference-maker.
 
2013-04-05 01:47:13 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.


I would suggest Crisis On Infinite Earths, but the animators would stab themselves in the eyes with pencils after the first hour, due to having to draw between dozens of DC characters in every frame.
 
2013-04-05 01:48:32 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: PizzaJedi81: Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.

I would suggest Crisis On Infinite Earths, but the animators would stab themselves in the eyes with pencils after the first hour, due to having to draw between dozens of DC characters in every frame.


I sort of knew that already from the ending to "Superman and Batman: Apocalypse".
 
2013-04-05 01:48:45 PM  

texdent: Rwa2play: True; but the results have been crap...

Not to mention that DC apparently doesn't want us to remember that Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain exist.


Or Wally West, or Donna Troy...
 
2013-04-05 01:50:36 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: PizzaJedi81: Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.

I would suggest Crisis On Infinite Earths, but the animators would stab themselves in the eyes with pencils after the first hour, due to having to draw between dozens of DC characters in every frame.


C'mon.  Doesn't everyone want to see Superman punching time be animated?

i34.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-05 01:59:39 PM  

Rwa2play: I still think that "Trinity War" will be the end point for the DCnU and that they'll trot out the excuse of "It was always a temporary thing" in order to bring back the mainstream DCU.


Marvel got away with it 15 years ago with "Heroes Reborn/Heroes Return", so why not DC?
 
2013-04-05 02:03:08 PM  

BafflerMeal: C'mon.  Doesn't everyone want to see Superman punching time be animated?


Wrong Crisis. Superboy Prime punching history to escape a "paradise dimension" was in Infinite Crisis. Crisis On Infinite Earths is how SBP ended up there in the first place.
 
2013-04-05 02:05:38 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: BafflerMeal: C'mon.  Doesn't everyone want to see Superman punching time be animated?

Wrong Crisis. Superboy Prime punching history to escape a "paradise dimension" was in Infinite Crisis. Crisis On Infinite Earths is how SBP ended up there in the first place.


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-04-05 02:05:40 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: PizzaJedi81: Series they need to do:

Red Son
Kingdom Come

That will be all.

Oh, so you're the guy who's been living in my head. You know that I have to start charging you rent, right?


Good luck collecting! Bwa ha ha!
 
2013-04-05 02:11:35 PM  
So is Flashpoint worth picking up? I saw the collection the other day at the bookstore but couldn't decide whether to buy it.
 
2013-04-05 02:34:03 PM  

Rwa2play: -- A Wonder Woman series that I've seen before on TV but was named "Hercules".


I don't see the similarities, the current Wonder Woman series is fantastic and has a really tight cast, and no monsters of the week, so not really like 90's Herc at all.
   

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Final Crisis had re-opened up the DC multiverse, so they could have any number of storylines and if continuity got in the way they could just have it in a occur in different universe. It wasn't exclusive at all, or at least it didn't have to be.


Technically 52 did that, not Final Crisis. Final Crisis just put a few of them back to square one.
 
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